he wouldnt be allowed to party like this. Jerry, to his credit, hires security detail on these guys and keeps them out of trouble.
I find myself pitying Manziel. The talent is there, the work ethic is not. It's a shame to see him piss on his career like this - i envision he will finally wake up and get it approaching 30 and will be one of those guys who pleasantly surprises late in his career on his 4th team.
That's of course if he doesnt get himself killed first.
but I think it's bullshit that people are coming down on this kid for being at a party and *gasp* drinking there! Only because he went to rehab to try and get himself some help do I guess I kind of see why some are disappointed but I mean... he's still a young, rich, single kid. How many other NFL players are seen out at parties and drinking and yet this guy gets caught on a video and now he's in danger of getting benched? Just doesn't seem fair to me. There are pics and videos of Gronk acting a fool at a party... Cutler being twisted at parties... and Big Ben has been known to enjoy himself too in the past. Never heard of any of these guys in danger of being benched for it.
Unless it's been found either inside or outside the Browns organization that Manziel still has an alcohol problem, I'm not sure what the issue is? And I'd assume that they don't think he has a problem inside the organization since the HC just named him the starter for the rest of the season. I've been trying to ask myself 'What if this was Eli? Would you be mad or disappointed?' and I keep thinking that it'd get a huge shoulder shrug from me. It'd be surprising... but not because he's out partying and drinking... but because he's a married man out partying and drinking. But Manziel isn't married. Not to mention, it was their Bye week. I could even understand the negative pub if they had a game that weekend but they didn't.
I'm open to being convinced that there's a valid reason why there's been such a negative reaction to this 'story' if someone can present me with one. But, IMO, they should just leave the kid alone and as long as he's not doing something illegal or something embarrassing to the organization, I don't see why he's getting all this negative pub for basically being a young kid.
The Browns were on a bye week with the players not required to be back in Cleveland until tomorrow. Manziel goes back to Texas, hits up a club, doesn't do anything controversial or out of the ordinary, attends the OSU/MSU game in Ohio on Saturday, attends a charity event to feed the less fortunate in Ohio on Monday, and has been back in the training facilities two days before he's been required to.
What is wrong with anything outlined above? An of-age athlete imbibing on their off day? Is there anything at all wrong with that? If Pettine just dismissed this silly notion that a 22 year old should not be allowed to drink then the media storm would go away, yet he enables it. Instead we have armchair doctors speculating that Manziel entered rehab for a drinking problem (absolutely no evidence of such) on his own volition and now should be made a spectacle of whenever he touches a drink. It's ridiculous.
is that...
A) we don't know what Manziel went to rehab for but informed sources indicate that it was for a powder rather than alcohol
B) Manziel admitted himself into rehab and is not part of any NFL substance abuse program
It's almost as if Manziel did not seek help for some sort of addiction the sensational journalism would relent. I'm sure this is just the message that we should be sending to those seeking help....let us publicly judge you without knowing anything about a private situation
our very own future HOF QB Eli Manning had two underage drinking offenses issues to him at Ole Miss. Think about that....you're the biggest name on campus and the speed limits were reduced to your legendary father's football number (18mph)...just how bombed was Eli to have received those tickets?
Things have turned out well for Eli.
And let's not get started with Ben Roethlisberger...if we had been following Ben during his off days as a 20something we might been named accomplices
I don't see why he's getting all this negative pub for basically being a young kid.
You can be a young kid in college. You can't be a young kid and also be an NFL QB. That doesn't happen. QB in the NFL has the gravitas of a white collar job. Quarterbacks are franchise representatives. You can't be photographed passed out on pool furniture, or committing to rehab one month, then sucking down champagne on a bye week. Owners don't want it, and frankly, it doesn't speak to the player's judgement ability to keep doing it.
He should not be drinking at all. Sad to see someone throw away such an oppurtunity.
Hey weeg! Long time no speak!
As BurberryManning said above:
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Instead we have armchair doctors speculating that Manziel entered rehab for a drinking problem (absolutely no evidence of such) on his own volition...
I don't recall it ever being confirmed that he went to rehab for a drinking issue. Not to mention, from the video, it doesn't appear that Manziel is drunk (although I admit that it's very possible... maybe even likely... that he either was or was drunk later on that night). Still, as long as he handles his business on the field, I don't see what the issue is? Jerry Jones gets pictures of him and some women hanging all over him posted on the web and I don't recall hearing the NFL saying they're thinking of punishing him for it. If that was a video of Joe Thomas, is this is a big deal? What about Joe Haden?
I figure about 95% of the players in the league go out to parties and yes, even drink at these parties. But this kid does it and now all of a sudden he should be benched?
I don't see why he's getting all this negative pub for basically being a young kid.
You can be a young kid in college. You can't be a young kid and also be an NFL QB. That doesn't happen. QB in the NFL has the gravitas of a white collar job. Quarterbacks are franchise representatives. You can't be photographed passed out on pool furniture, or committing to rehab one month, then sucking down champagne on a bye week. Owners don't want it, and frankly, it doesn't speak to the player's judgement ability to keep doing it.
This is a fair statement on what I find to be an unfair situation.
I don't see why he's getting all this negative pub for basically being a young kid.
You can be a young kid in college. You can't be a young kid and also be an NFL QB. That doesn't happen. QB in the NFL has the gravitas of a white collar job. Quarterbacks are franchise representatives. You can't be photographed passed out on pool furniture, or committing to rehab one month, then sucking down champagne on a bye week. Owners don't want it, and frankly, it doesn't speak to the player's judgement ability to keep doing it.
TTH - Why not? I mean c'mon... you can't be a young kid... but you can be a guy accused of rape (Ben)? You can be a guy who has stories told of his drunken escapades and still get handed starting jobs (Cutler)? And that's just talking about guys in the present! I guess it's a good thing that Namath came along in a time when all those things he used to do (womanizing and drinking)were not only ok but actually CELEBRATED huh?
The irony is that part of the reason JFF became JFF was because..
of his "normal bro" persona, similar to that of Gronk. Johnny never really went out of his way to seek the attention but he never censored himself, either. When Manziel was uber successful in college his act added to his legend, whereas when he struggled as a rookie his persona made him a very easy target.
This year it seems as if Manziel has tried to maintain a low profile but satellite components of his life make it very difficult (model GF, DJ at a club).
What is interesting now is that Manziel has played well this year and by all accounts within the Browns organization, seems to have embraced that "first in the building, last out the door" mentality.
of his "normal bro" persona, similar to that of Gronk. Johnny never really went out of his way to seek the attention but he never censored himself, either. When Manziel was uber successful in college his act added to his legend, whereas when he struggled as a rookie his persona made him a very easy target.
This year it seems as if Manziel has tried to maintain a low profile but satellite components of his life make it very difficult (model GF, DJ at a club).
What is interesting now is that Manziel has played well this year and by all accounts within the Browns organization, seems to have embraced that "first in the building, last out the door" mentality.
Exactly! His coach just named him the starter for the rest of the year. I'd assume that that means that they're happy with the progress he's showing as far as doing what it takes to prepare himself as an NFL QB. And he goes out and has a good time, and all that goodwill goes right out the door? On his 'day' (weekend) off?
Again, I keep asking myself... if this is Eli is this a big deal? No, it isn't. If this is Romo is this a big deal? Nope. If this was Russell Wilson is this a big deal? Uh uh. If this is Big Ben is this a big deal? Nope again (and he has a history too). If this video was taken the night... or even two nights... before a game... THEN I could understand. But it was his week off.
Well it's a different world now than when Mantle was an icon
for being a celebrity drunk who loved the girls. So yes.
If you're not clever enough to keep yourself out of the gossip column, that's a tell on your ability to handle the lifestyle.
Ben and Cutler and others went through off field nonsense at one point in their careers, but I think considering the passage of time with no incidents, you can say they learned from the experience and became the professionals they are now.
Brett Favre got dealt at one point because he was a party guy as a young player.
You either grow up fast or they replace you fast at that position.
It's not tolerated because Manziel is not good at football
for being a celebrity drunk who loved the girls. So yes.
If you're not clever enough to keep yourself out of the gossip column, that's a tell on your ability to handle the lifestyle.
Ben and Cutler and others went through off field nonsense at one point in their careers, but I think considering the passage of time with no incidents, you can say they learned from the experience and became the professionals they are now.
Brett Favre got dealt at one point because he was a party guy as a young player.
You either grow up fast or they replace you fast at that position.
TTH - and you don't think that the Falcons have been kicking themselves ever since for trading a future HOFer for a 2nd round pick (at least I think it was a second round pick)?
If this video never sees the light of day until after the season... and Manziel goes on throughout the rest of this season and shows significant progress and even goes on a bit of a winning streak at the end of the season, does Pettine make the announcement that they're thinking of benching Manziel at the start of the season next year? I kind of doubt it.
Romo STAYED in the gossip columns early in his career for many of the same things that some are holding against Manziel (anyone remember the Cabo pic for instance?). And now here we are... just a few seasons later... and he's the savior for the franchise.
RE: RE: The irony is that part of the reason JFF became JFF was because..
Again, I keep asking myself... if this is Eli is this a big deal? No, it isn't. If this is Romo is this a big deal? Nope. If this was Russell Wilson is this a big deal? Uh uh. If this is Big Ben is this a big deal? Nope again (and he has a history too). If this video was taken the night... or even two nights... before a game... THEN I could understand. But it was his week off.
The difference between your examples and Manziel is Manziel hasn't done anything to earn any credibility and has a history of his team not liking his choices, so of course it's a bigger deal. You cant be surprised that there are different rules for different people.
Also, just this week before the Seahawks game the media was reporting the Seahawks are concerned that Russell Wilson might be getting too distracted by life off field.
RE: It's not tolerated because Manziel is not good at football
if he was putting up 300 yds and 3 TD each week then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Say it ain't so!
You mean to tell me that if you get accused of rape... but win a Super Bowl in your second season... then you WON'T be in danger of losing your job? Ya don't say....
Again, I keep asking myself... if this is Eli is this a big deal? No, it isn't. If this is Romo is this a big deal? Nope. If this was Russell Wilson is this a big deal? Uh uh. If this is Big Ben is this a big deal? Nope again (and he has a history too). If this video was taken the night... or even two nights... before a game... THEN I could understand. But it was his week off.
The difference between your examples and Manziel is Manziel hasn't done anything to earn any credibility and has a history of his team not liking his choices, so of course it's a bigger deal. You cant be surprised that there are different rules for different people.
Also, just this week before the Seahawks game the media was reporting the Seahawks are concerned that Russell Wilson might be getting too distracted by life off field.
He hasn't done anything to earn any credibility YET. Neither had most of the guys I named early in their careers except Ben and Wilson... and most give their respective defenses the most of the credit for their early Super Bowl wins. The guy is in his what, third season? Checking himself into a rehab facility to deal with an issue isn't showing a level of maturity?
I get that they don't like his history of not making good choices but so the guy should not be allowed to go out and legally have a good time anymore? He wasn't out there with his shirt off. He wasn't even out there making it rain. It's a 30 second clip of him singing along to a rap song with a bottle in his hand and that's it.
If they hadn't named him the starter prior to this video coming to light, I might could understand the team's position because that could mean that they may still not be happy with the way he prepares himself to do his job. But they JUST named him the starter so I'm assuming they must be at least satisifed, if not happy, with his preparation. So a video emerges of him having a good time (a video I'm assuming HE didn't take of himself) and all that goes by the wayside?
abuse treatment, but it is doubtful that there is a legitimate treatment center in the U.S. that would treat for cocaine addiction and then endorse drinking alcohol.
Generally speaking, the patient should stop consumption of all potentially addictive drugs such as alcohol and even marijuana.
So the Browns likely aren't coming down on him for drinking alcohol, but rather what it likely means to his commitment to sobriety.
Ok... now THAT I'm not sure even I believe. If that's true then yeah... I guess that could help his cause. But even if it's not true and that was taken recently, I still think Manziel has a legitimate reason to think he's being treated unfairly by his coach. So showing him at the party means more than him attending a charity event also that weekend (if what BurberryManning said above is true)?
Feel free to help da kids... but NO GOING OUT AND HAVING A GOOD TIME YOURSELF!!!! Yeah... that seems fair.
our very own future HOF QB Eli Manning had two underage drinking offenses issues to him at Ole Miss. Think about that....you're the biggest name on campus and the speed limits were reduced to your legendary father's football number (18mph)...just how bombed was Eli to have received those tickets?
Things have turned out well for Eli.
And let's not get started with Ben Roethlisberger...if we had been following Ben during his off days as a 20something we might been named accomplices
Eh...drinking in college followed by a spotless career? That's your comparison to Manziel drinking heavily for 2 days the other day? And conducting himself embarrassingly?
So why not bench him after he admitted to having a few beers that day he got pulled over because his girl was trippin? He admitted he had a few beers then but wasn't drunk. Evidently the HC felt comfortable that Manziel had whatever issues he had with substance abuse still under control after that incident. In that video it doesn't appear obvious that Manziel is drunk and if he's not, what's the difference? The party instead of the incident happening in a car? The rap song?
our very own future HOF QB Eli Manning had two underage drinking offenses issues to him at Ole Miss. Think about that....you're the biggest name on campus and the speed limits were reduced to your legendary father's football number (18mph)...just how bombed was Eli to have received those tickets?
Things have turned out well for Eli.
And let's not get started with Ben Roethlisberger...if we had been following Ben during his off days as a 20something we might been named accomplices
Eh...drinking in college followed by a spotless career? That's your comparison to Manziel drinking heavily for 2 days the other day? And conducting himself embarrassingly?
I thought about bringing up the drunk pic of Eli (the one with his arm around the blond girl) but that was back in college and although I don't see much of a difference, I have to agree that there is a difference in how a QB should act in college as opposed to the NFL (see Winston). So I didn't think the comparison would be a good one.
But drinking heavily for 2 days and embarrassing himself? You talking about the video and party Randy? Honest question because I hadn't heard anything about that and if that's the case that changes my stance completely.
not being the Browns coach, I can't speak to what he is thinking. What I can say definitively is that Manziel's behavior is disturbing if he is an addict.
he wouldnt be allowed to party like this. Jerry, to his credit, hires security detail on these guys and keeps them out of trouble.
I find myself pitying Manziel. The talent is there, the work ethic is not. It's a shame to see him piss on his career like this - i envision he will finally wake up and get it approaching 30 and will be one of those guys who pleasantly surprises late in his career on his 4th team.
That's of course if he doesnt get himself killed first.
I really think guys like this never "get it." What the hell, he's getting paid millions whether he busts his ass or parties his ass off. Why work hard when you're rolling in money anyway?
is like Moore. He's going to be judged more harshly because of his reputation. Everything he does on and off the field will be watched because of his prior transgressions. He's also a QB.
not being the Browns coach, I can't speak to what he is thinking. What I can say definitively is that Manziel's behavior is disturbing if he is an addict.
Rob - I agree 100% with that and have absolutely no problem if he is in fact an addict who can't seem to kick his habit.
But what if he has kicked it nd was just enjoying a night out and never got to the point where he was drunk? All he was shown doing was holding the a bottle. From the video I saw, he never even takes a sip. Now I can agree it'd be a little naive to think that he wasn't drinking... but do we have to automatically assume he had gotten drunk that night and has fallen back into the abyss?
Geez... I feel like I sound like a Manziel apologists when I really am not. I just have a thing about seeing people treated unfairly and I think he is to a degree. If the video showed him with his shirt off... at a strip club... pouring liquor all over himself and some girl... while stage diving off of a stage... then yeah, I could see a possible benching and I'd be on everyone else's side on this. But it's a 30 second clip of him holding a bottle and rapping to a rap song.
is like Moore. He's going to be judged more harshly because of his reputation. Everything he does on and off the field will be watched because of his prior transgressions. He's also a QB.
And because of his past, he deserves to be judged more harshly. But he should also be judged fairly.
Can't believe I've talked about a guy for an hour and half who I really don't care about that much. Sheesh... I must've really missed posting BBI lately.
RE: It's not tolerated because Manziel is not good at football
not being the Browns coach, I can't speak to what he is thinking. What I can say definitively is that Manziel's behavior is disturbing if he is an addict.
This guy just got named starter, he can't lay off the public partying for like six more weeks?
Feel free to add something constructive to the thread in your next post please.
Actually, my previous post was of value. Maybe you could read the start of the thread rather than doing your best to justify Manziel's actions caught on video
Feel free to add something constructive to the thread in your next post please.
Actually, my previous post was of value. Maybe you could read the start of the thread rather than doing your best to justify Manziel's actions caught on video
I'm actually of the opinion that they don't need any justification. The guy was out having fun. And I did see your first post... just didn't think much of either of them.
1) You've gone into rehab the prior offseason for substance abuse. Its another example that shows Manziel can't beat this addiction. While I'm sympathetic....
2) as an organization you need to know if this 'leader' can take you to where you need to go. If I'm Pettine or the Browns, based on #1, i have serious doubts.
3) This isnt an isolated incident. Hell its not even an isolated incident this year - we are barely a month off him getting pulled over with alcohol in his system after a public feud with his girlfriend where the league is still investigating whether he assaulted her.
Certain things - kids being kids - are worth defending. I dont see this as one of those cases. Browns are 2-8... i mean wait 6 weeks to have fun. And for all the talk about Roethlisberger... i cant recall one of these issues popping up during the season. Yes, the infamous motorcycle accident in an offseason and the rape charges also in an offseason.
But its rare that a QB draws attention to himself twice during one season. Especially one that has never proven himself enough in this league to warrant all these second chances.
and some people still don't get it. By people I mean fans/BBIers. "He's just a kid"? That's news to me. He's the age of a man playing a mans game and getting paid well for it. He went to rehab, apparently, which means there was a major problem. Unless he did t go which is an even bigger issue.
I just don't see how anyone who's been paying attention doesn't see why Manziel partying on a bye week would be a problem. Thankfully he's not a Giant.
Except for the fact that one of the songs in the video didnt release until late September and the other back in the spring - bother after rehab... Link - ( New Window )
I find myself pitying Manziel. The talent is there, the work ethic is not. It's a shame to see him piss on his career like this - i envision he will finally wake up and get it approaching 30 and will be one of those guys who pleasantly surprises late in his career on his 4th team.
That's of course if he doesnt get himself killed first.
Unless it's been found either inside or outside the Browns organization that Manziel still has an alcohol problem, I'm not sure what the issue is? And I'd assume that they don't think he has a problem inside the organization since the HC just named him the starter for the rest of the season. I've been trying to ask myself 'What if this was Eli? Would you be mad or disappointed?' and I keep thinking that it'd get a huge shoulder shrug from me. It'd be surprising... but not because he's out partying and drinking... but because he's a married man out partying and drinking. But Manziel isn't married. Not to mention, it was their Bye week. I could even understand the negative pub if they had a game that weekend but they didn't.
I'm open to being convinced that there's a valid reason why there's been such a negative reaction to this 'story' if someone can present me with one. But, IMO, they should just leave the kid alone and as long as he's not doing something illegal or something embarrassing to the organization, I don't see why he's getting all this negative pub for basically being a young kid.
What is wrong with anything outlined above? An of-age athlete imbibing on their off day? Is there anything at all wrong with that? If Pettine just dismissed this silly notion that a 22 year old should not be allowed to drink then the media storm would go away, yet he enables it. Instead we have armchair doctors speculating that Manziel entered rehab for a drinking problem (absolutely no evidence of such) on his own volition and now should be made a spectacle of whenever he touches a drink. It's ridiculous.
Hmm...not sure if serious.
A) we don't know what Manziel went to rehab for but informed sources indicate that it was for a powder rather than alcohol
B) Manziel admitted himself into rehab and is not part of any NFL substance abuse program
It's almost as if Manziel did not seek help for some sort of addiction the sensational journalism would relent. I'm sure this is just the message that we should be sending to those seeking help....let us publicly judge you without knowing anything about a private situation
Things have turned out well for Eli.
And let's not get started with Ben Roethlisberger...if we had been following Ben during his off days as a 20something we might been named accomplices
You can be a young kid in college. You can't be a young kid and also be an NFL QB. That doesn't happen. QB in the NFL has the gravitas of a white collar job. Quarterbacks are franchise representatives. You can't be photographed passed out on pool furniture, or committing to rehab one month, then sucking down champagne on a bye week. Owners don't want it, and frankly, it doesn't speak to the player's judgement ability to keep doing it.
Hey weeg! Long time no speak!
As BurberryManning said above:
I don't recall it ever being confirmed that he went to rehab for a drinking issue. Not to mention, from the video, it doesn't appear that Manziel is drunk (although I admit that it's very possible... maybe even likely... that he either was or was drunk later on that night). Still, as long as he handles his business on the field, I don't see what the issue is? Jerry Jones gets pictures of him and some women hanging all over him posted on the web and I don't recall hearing the NFL saying they're thinking of punishing him for it. If that was a video of Joe Thomas, is this is a big deal? What about Joe Haden?
I figure about 95% of the players in the league go out to parties and yes, even drink at these parties. But this kid does it and now all of a sudden he should be benched?
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I don't see why he's getting all this negative pub for basically being a young kid.
You can be a young kid in college. You can't be a young kid and also be an NFL QB. That doesn't happen. QB in the NFL has the gravitas of a white collar job. Quarterbacks are franchise representatives. You can't be photographed passed out on pool furniture, or committing to rehab one month, then sucking down champagne on a bye week. Owners don't want it, and frankly, it doesn't speak to the player's judgement ability to keep doing it.
This is a fair statement on what I find to be an unfair situation.
Give me a break.
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I don't see why he's getting all this negative pub for basically being a young kid.
You can be a young kid in college. You can't be a young kid and also be an NFL QB. That doesn't happen. QB in the NFL has the gravitas of a white collar job. Quarterbacks are franchise representatives. You can't be photographed passed out on pool furniture, or committing to rehab one month, then sucking down champagne on a bye week. Owners don't want it, and frankly, it doesn't speak to the player's judgement ability to keep doing it.
TTH - Why not? I mean c'mon... you can't be a young kid... but you can be a guy accused of rape (Ben)? You can be a guy who has stories told of his drunken escapades and still get handed starting jobs (Cutler)? And that's just talking about guys in the present! I guess it's a good thing that Namath came along in a time when all those things he used to do (womanizing and drinking)were not only ok but actually CELEBRATED huh?
This year it seems as if Manziel has tried to maintain a low profile but satellite components of his life make it very difficult (model GF, DJ at a club).
What is interesting now is that Manziel has played well this year and by all accounts within the Browns organization, seems to have embraced that "first in the building, last out the door" mentality.
Give me a break.
Feel free to add something constructive to the thread in your next post please.
This year it seems as if Manziel has tried to maintain a low profile but satellite components of his life make it very difficult (model GF, DJ at a club).
What is interesting now is that Manziel has played well this year and by all accounts within the Browns organization, seems to have embraced that "first in the building, last out the door" mentality.
Exactly! His coach just named him the starter for the rest of the year. I'd assume that that means that they're happy with the progress he's showing as far as doing what it takes to prepare himself as an NFL QB. And he goes out and has a good time, and all that goodwill goes right out the door? On his 'day' (weekend) off?
Again, I keep asking myself... if this is Eli is this a big deal? No, it isn't. If this is Romo is this a big deal? Nope. If this was Russell Wilson is this a big deal? Uh uh. If this is Big Ben is this a big deal? Nope again (and he has a history too). If this video was taken the night... or even two nights... before a game... THEN I could understand. But it was his week off.
If you're not clever enough to keep yourself out of the gossip column, that's a tell on your ability to handle the lifestyle.
Ben and Cutler and others went through off field nonsense at one point in their careers, but I think considering the passage of time with no incidents, you can say they learned from the experience and became the professionals they are now.
Brett Favre got dealt at one point because he was a party guy as a young player.
You either grow up fast or they replace you fast at that position.
If you're not clever enough to keep yourself out of the gossip column, that's a tell on your ability to handle the lifestyle.
Ben and Cutler and others went through off field nonsense at one point in their careers, but I think considering the passage of time with no incidents, you can say they learned from the experience and became the professionals they are now.
Brett Favre got dealt at one point because he was a party guy as a young player.
You either grow up fast or they replace you fast at that position.
TTH - and you don't think that the Falcons have been kicking themselves ever since for trading a future HOFer for a 2nd round pick (at least I think it was a second round pick)?
If this video never sees the light of day until after the season... and Manziel goes on throughout the rest of this season and shows significant progress and even goes on a bit of a winning streak at the end of the season, does Pettine make the announcement that they're thinking of benching Manziel at the start of the season next year? I kind of doubt it.
Romo STAYED in the gossip columns early in his career for many of the same things that some are holding against Manziel (anyone remember the Cabo pic for instance?). And now here we are... just a few seasons later... and he's the savior for the franchise.
Again, I keep asking myself... if this is Eli is this a big deal? No, it isn't. If this is Romo is this a big deal? Nope. If this was Russell Wilson is this a big deal? Uh uh. If this is Big Ben is this a big deal? Nope again (and he has a history too). If this video was taken the night... or even two nights... before a game... THEN I could understand. But it was his week off.
The difference between your examples and Manziel is Manziel hasn't done anything to earn any credibility and has a history of his team not liking his choices, so of course it's a bigger deal. You cant be surprised that there are different rules for different people.
Also, just this week before the Seahawks game the media was reporting the Seahawks are concerned that Russell Wilson might be getting too distracted by life off field.
Say it ain't so!
You mean to tell me that if you get accused of rape... but win a Super Bowl in your second season... then you WON'T be in danger of losing your job? Ya don't say....
You and me both! He was so close (from what I read) - his asshole Son stopped him. ; )
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Again, I keep asking myself... if this is Eli is this a big deal? No, it isn't. If this is Romo is this a big deal? Nope. If this was Russell Wilson is this a big deal? Uh uh. If this is Big Ben is this a big deal? Nope again (and he has a history too). If this video was taken the night... or even two nights... before a game... THEN I could understand. But it was his week off.
The difference between your examples and Manziel is Manziel hasn't done anything to earn any credibility and has a history of his team not liking his choices, so of course it's a bigger deal. You cant be surprised that there are different rules for different people.
Also, just this week before the Seahawks game the media was reporting the Seahawks are concerned that Russell Wilson might be getting too distracted by life off field.
He hasn't done anything to earn any credibility YET. Neither had most of the guys I named early in their careers except Ben and Wilson... and most give their respective defenses the most of the credit for their early Super Bowl wins. The guy is in his what, third season? Checking himself into a rehab facility to deal with an issue isn't showing a level of maturity?
I get that they don't like his history of not making good choices but so the guy should not be allowed to go out and legally have a good time anymore? He wasn't out there with his shirt off. He wasn't even out there making it rain. It's a 30 second clip of him singing along to a rap song with a bottle in his hand and that's it.
If they hadn't named him the starter prior to this video coming to light, I might could understand the team's position because that could mean that they may still not be happy with the way he prepares himself to do his job. But they JUST named him the starter so I'm assuming they must be at least satisifed, if not happy, with his preparation. So a video emerges of him having a good time (a video I'm assuming HE didn't take of himself) and all that goes by the wayside?
It may be an old video - ( New Window )
But that doesn't change the fact that I think he's being treated unfairly a bit here.
Anyway, I'm moving on. I've stated my case. I see where you, TTH, and others are coming from... I just don't completely agree with it.
Generally speaking, the patient should stop consumption of all potentially addictive drugs such as alcohol and even marijuana.
So the Browns likely aren't coming down on him for drinking alcohol, but rather what it likely means to his commitment to sobriety.
Ok... now THAT I'm not sure even I believe. If that's true then yeah... I guess that could help his cause. But even if it's not true and that was taken recently, I still think Manziel has a legitimate reason to think he's being treated unfairly by his coach. So showing him at the party means more than him attending a charity event also that weekend (if what BurberryManning said above is true)?
Feel free to help da kids... but NO GOING OUT AND HAVING A GOOD TIME YOURSELF!!!! Yeah... that seems fair.
Things have turned out well for Eli.
And let's not get started with Ben Roethlisberger...if we had been following Ben during his off days as a 20something we might been named accomplices
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our very own future HOF QB Eli Manning had two underage drinking offenses issues to him at Ole Miss. Think about that....you're the biggest name on campus and the speed limits were reduced to your legendary father's football number (18mph)...just how bombed was Eli to have received those tickets?
Things have turned out well for Eli.
And let's not get started with Ben Roethlisberger...if we had been following Ben during his off days as a 20something we might been named accomplices
Eh...drinking in college followed by a spotless career? That's your comparison to Manziel drinking heavily for 2 days the other day? And conducting himself embarrassingly?
I thought about bringing up the drunk pic of Eli (the one with his arm around the blond girl) but that was back in college and although I don't see much of a difference, I have to agree that there is a difference in how a QB should act in college as opposed to the NFL (see Winston). So I didn't think the comparison would be a good one.
But drinking heavily for 2 days and embarrassing himself? You talking about the video and party Randy? Honest question because I hadn't heard anything about that and if that's the case that changes my stance completely.
I find myself pitying Manziel. The talent is there, the work ethic is not. It's a shame to see him piss on his career like this - i envision he will finally wake up and get it approaching 30 and will be one of those guys who pleasantly surprises late in his career on his 4th team.
That's of course if he doesnt get himself killed first.
I really think guys like this never "get it." What the hell, he's getting paid millions whether he busts his ass or parties his ass off. Why work hard when you're rolling in money anyway?
Rob - I agree 100% with that and have absolutely no problem if he is in fact an addict who can't seem to kick his habit.
But what if he has kicked it nd was just enjoying a night out and never got to the point where he was drunk? All he was shown doing was holding the a bottle. From the video I saw, he never even takes a sip. Now I can agree it'd be a little naive to think that he wasn't drinking... but do we have to automatically assume he had gotten drunk that night and has fallen back into the abyss?
Geez... I feel like I sound like a Manziel apologists when I really am not. I just have a thing about seeing people treated unfairly and I think he is to a degree. If the video showed him with his shirt off... at a strip club... pouring liquor all over himself and some girl... while stage diving off of a stage... then yeah, I could see a possible benching and I'd be on everyone else's side on this. But it's a 30 second clip of him holding a bottle and rapping to a rap song.
And because of his past, he deserves to be judged more harshly. But he should also be judged fairly.
I wonder if he would have been cut by the Cowboys...dude's not really good at this whole NFL QB thing.
This guy just got named starter, he can't lay off the public partying for like six more weeks?
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"Let the kid be a kid"
Give me a break.
Feel free to add something constructive to the thread in your next post please.
Actually, my previous post was of value. Maybe you could read the start of the thread rather than doing your best to justify Manziel's actions caught on video
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"Let the kid be a kid"
Give me a break.
Feel free to add something constructive to the thread in your next post please.
Actually, my previous post was of value. Maybe you could read the start of the thread rather than doing your best to justify Manziel's actions caught on video
I'm actually of the opinion that they don't need any justification. The guy was out having fun. And I did see your first post... just didn't think much of either of them.
1) You've gone into rehab the prior offseason for substance abuse. Its another example that shows Manziel can't beat this addiction. While I'm sympathetic....
2) as an organization you need to know if this 'leader' can take you to where you need to go. If I'm Pettine or the Browns, based on #1, i have serious doubts.
3) This isnt an isolated incident. Hell its not even an isolated incident this year - we are barely a month off him getting pulled over with alcohol in his system after a public feud with his girlfriend where the league is still investigating whether he assaulted her.
Certain things - kids being kids - are worth defending. I dont see this as one of those cases. Browns are 2-8... i mean wait 6 weeks to have fun. And for all the talk about Roethlisberger... i cant recall one of these issues popping up during the season. Yes, the infamous motorcycle accident in an offseason and the rape charges also in an offseason.
But its rare that a QB draws attention to himself twice during one season. Especially one that has never proven himself enough in this league to warrant all these second chances.
I just don't see how anyone who's been paying attention doesn't see why Manziel partying on a bye week would be a problem. Thankfully he's not a Giant.
Except for the fact that one of the songs in the video didnt release until late September and the other back in the spring - bother after rehab...
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https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/669254472384823297