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NFT: What's Going to Happen In Chicago

ImThatGuy : 11/24/2015 6:00 pm
Pretty big story ... A white police officer is being charged with murder of a black teenager. Teenager was armed with a knife and had reportedly punctured the tire of a cop car and refused officers orders to drop the knife.

However the entire incident was caught on a dash cam which is set to be released tomorrow. Apparently the teenager was shot 16 times, 13 of which when he was already on the ground.

The cop seems like a POS and had 18 previous complaints on his record. But I fear that once the video is released it'll have serious backlash and make Ferguson look like child's play.
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This is what I don't get  
ShocknAwe80 : 11/24/2015 6:02 pm : link
The cop does appear to be a POS, and he is now being charged with murder. What will there be a protest about??? The guy killed a kid and he will now go to trial for the crime. Right? It's not like there is a giant coverup here or anything, the blue wall of silence isn't popping up, the POS is being charged with murder.
Shock  
ImThatGuy : 11/24/2015 6:06 pm : link
I'm with you and I hope that's it. But in light of recent protests + the fact that there is video of the incident + its Chicago ... has all the makings of a disaster.
Chicago PD  
Shadow : 11/24/2015 6:06 pm : link
doesn't play.
I imagine people will feel the way they felt in advance of any  
Nitro : 11/24/2015 6:09 pm : link
other additional information:

The pro-cop people will pro-cop

The fencesitters will fencesit.

The Black Lives Matter types will still find cause for complaint.

etc.

No watershed moment, no significant changes. Those days are behind us with the speed of the world these days. Nothing's shocking anymore - I mean how many people are still talking about the Paris attacks?
Things are ugly in  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/24/2015 6:18 pm : link
Minneapolis too. A couple of BLM protesters were shot by.....anti-protestors?
A glock holds 16 bullets.  
madgiantscow009 : 11/24/2015 6:46 pm : link
15 in the mag, one in the chamber. The 17 year old had a knife. This will be an interesting video.
Charge the Cop and the protests lose purpose  
WideRight : 11/24/2015 6:47 pm : link
thats one of the lessons from Ferguson.

I'm hoping there won't be riots.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/24/2015 6:47 pm : link
But I suspect there will be. The video is pretty bad from all I've read.
RE: Charge the Cop and the protests lose purpose  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2015 6:49 pm : link
In comment 12643056 WideRight said:
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thats one of the lessons from Ferguson.


I thought the Holder Justice Department found that that the officer was justified, or am I mistaken?
RE: Charge the Cop and the protests lose purpose  
Watson : 11/24/2015 6:52 pm : link
In comment 12643056 WideRight said:
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thats one of the lessons from Ferguson.


Agree, Furguson was handled poorly from the beginning.
No question he needs to be charged  
Shepherdsam : 11/24/2015 6:54 pm : link
but the Chicago PD is losing one hell of a marksman.
Watson  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2015 6:54 pm : link
so you are saying Darren Wilson should have been arrested and charged with murder?
RE: Shock  
ShocknAwe80 : 11/24/2015 6:54 pm : link
In comment 12643013 ImThatGuy said:
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I'm with you and I hope that's it. But in light of recent protests + the fact that there is video of the incident + its Chicago ... has all the makings of a disaster.


I agree... but the situation in Ferguson had the cop getting off... This has a cop being indicted, he will see a trial. What is there to protest; the fact that someone (the POS) committed a crime and will now face his day in court?
There should be no riot  
spike : 11/24/2015 7:02 pm : link
because justice is taking its course in this case.

Let the jury decide
Hypothetical scenario, not based on anything I've read  
madgiantscow009 : 11/24/2015 7:03 pm : link
The kid has a knife and the cop really feels threatened. Four bullets justified and the following 12 not. If one of the first four shots is determined to be fatal, does that change anything?

Just conjecture, but if 16 shots fired and a glock holds 16 shots, if the officer doesn't pause between shots, does that make a difference?

Anyway, my take on it is we should all stay as neutral as we can until details come out and not some details, but as many details as we can.
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Deej : 11/24/2015 7:07 pm : link
In comment 12643060 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 12643056 WideRight said:


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thats one of the lessons from Ferguson.




I thought the Holder Justice Department found that that the officer was justified, or am I mistaken?


Why do you call it the Holder Justice Department? What is the relevance of invoking Holder's name here? I ask because his name is tossed around like a boogeyman in some circles. It just seems provocative.
Deej  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2015 7:12 pm : link
Not trying to be provocative at all. Simply pointing out that Eric Holder took a personal interest in this case and is known for having sympathies with those alleging racial discrimination. The point being that if there was even a feint smell of wrong-doing, they probably would have charged the police officer.
RE: Watson  
Watson : 11/24/2015 7:12 pm : link
In comment 12643069 Eric from BBI said:
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so you are saying Darren Wilson should have been arrested and charged with murder?


No. Authorities needed to reach out & openly communicate. Instead gave the gave the perception of a cover up. If you remember, originally even refused to release incident report which is suppose to be public recorded. DA refused to meet with Black Community leaders.
RE: There should be no riot  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/24/2015 7:14 pm : link
In comment 12643077 spike said:
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because justice is taking its course in this case.

Let the jury decide


I think you're being naive. Some people who gerl victimized by police will see this as the proverbial straw.
Justice?  
trueblueinpw : 11/24/2015 7:19 pm : link
Not really sure justice is served just because the cop is indicated.
Video  
Deej : 11/24/2015 7:20 pm : link
warning, graphic. Skip to minute 5.

I can see why the officer was charged. I like to avoid jumping to conclusions, so I want to hear the narration from both sides. But it LOOKS like he's moving away from police if anything.

More to the point, he's just being riddled with bullets while on the ground and probably already dead. After a pause. It's really the barrage. Maybe the first shots were justified -- I wasnt there and video only tells you so much. But there were just so many shots while he was on the ground.
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Hopefully not AP  
Watson : 11/24/2015 7:21 pm : link
Protesters have been asking for justice.
Feel not  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/24/2015 7:21 pm : link
Gerl
RE: Deej  
Deej : 11/24/2015 7:21 pm : link
In comment 12643092 Eric from BBI said:
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Not trying to be provocative at all. Simply pointing out that Eric Holder took a personal interest in this case and is known for having sympathies with those alleging racial discrimination. The point being that if there was even a feint smell of wrong-doing, they probably would have charged the police officer.


Yeah. That's fairly provocative to me. Dont want to turn this thread into a debate on that though.
Feel not gerl.  
Shepherdsam : 11/24/2015 7:26 pm : link

...said the Russian bouncer at the strip-club.
I dont know if there will be protests.  
Deej : 11/24/2015 7:28 pm : link
But between the police report that he lunged at a cop (not evident on video) to the attempt to cover up the video, it wouldnt surprise me. I think that if you are someone with a problem with the way minorities are treated by the police (real or imagined), it might be starting to feel like cops will only be held accountable if there is video.
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Deej  
Nitro : 11/24/2015 7:28 pm : link
it's pretty weaselly for Eric to backpedal and say calling the US Justice Dept the Holder Justice Dept has no provocative element to it. What's the distinction? That Holder took an interest? BS.
It seems obvious  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/24/2015 7:30 pm : link
Why did it take a year to charge him?
Nitro  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2015 7:30 pm : link
Not backpedaling at all. I clearly stated that I think that Eric Holder has been sympathetic to these type of cases. I don't think that is a terribly controversial statement. You obviously disagree. But I'm not backpedaling.
Im not a cop  
Old Dirty Beckham : 11/24/2015 7:32 pm : link
But there was no rewason to shoot at all. He had a knife but never motioned towards the officers. This man did not have to die.
Damn.  
charlito : 11/24/2015 7:35 pm : link
So the only reason this cop, after a whole year, is in jail is because the video was coming out. Wow.
Deej/Nitro  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2015 7:35 pm : link
Just to wrap this up so we can focus on the Chicago case, note the LA Times story on Eric Holder and Ferguson....
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calling it the Holder Justice Dept implies that its somehow  
Nitro : 11/24/2015 7:36 pm : link
a perversion of the regular Justice Dept, mostly because you disagree with some of it's conclusions.

I don't think it's a monster leap given the reactionary nature of your personal politics.

In other news, the video is pretty damning. Yeah, you can talk about the distance that can be closed with a knife in hand by an assailant, but once the kid was down, the shots kept coming. That's murder, and he's done.
RE: Nitro  
Deej : 11/24/2015 7:38 pm : link
In comment 12643123 Eric from BBI said:
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Not backpedaling at all. I clearly stated that I think that Eric Holder has been sympathetic to these type of cases. I don't think that is a terribly controversial statement. You obviously disagree. But I'm not backpedaling.


What case are you referring to? The Martin and Black killings, where no federal charges were brought?

The allegation that "if there was even a feint smell of wrong-doing, they probably would have charged the police officer" is, with all due respect, baseless.
Nitro  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2015 7:38 pm : link
with all due respect, give it a rest. My point was clear. If you are going to get all bent out of shape on this one, that's on you. Or should I say given your communist sympathies....
Deej  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2015 7:40 pm : link
I am referring to the Ferguson shooting. It was investigated both locally and by the federal government. No charges were filed. That was my point.

We have two posters above who seemed to be suggesting that the police officer should have been charged with murder despite, and you have a problem with what I said? OK.
RE: Deej/Nitro  
Deej : 11/24/2015 7:40 pm : link
In comment 12643130 Eric from BBI said:
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Just to wrap this up so we can focus on the Chicago case, note the LA Times story on Eric Holder and Ferguson.... Eric Holder's trip to Ferguson, Mo., rooted in his civil rights pledge - ( New Window )


I could read that, but at the end of the day "Holder" DOJ didnt bring any charges, did it? But it did issue a scathing report about the rampant abuses in that town's justice system, where poor folk were treated as a cash register for city budget needs.
Deej  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2015 7:41 pm : link
Sure, but that's a different topic.

charging the officer with first degree murder -  
Del Shofner : 11/24/2015 7:44 pm : link
are there lesser charges too? It can be risky to overcharge, even though it seems dramatic at the time of indictment.
Looks like the guy turned towards  
madgiantscow009 : 11/24/2015 7:55 pm : link
the officers, it would be interesting to hear the dialog. I couldn't tell how many shots fired on the ground, I could see one right away and then one that was pretty late.
RE: Deej  
Watson : 11/24/2015 7:59 pm : link
In comment 12643137 Eric from BBI said:
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I am referring to the Ferguson shooting. It was investigated both locally and by the federal government. No charges were filed. That was my point.

We have two posters above who seemed to be suggesting that the police officer should have been charged with murder despite, and you have a problem with what I said? OK.


Eric, If your referring to me, already answered. Ferguson was a textbook case for local officials on how not to handle. Has nothing to do with whether officer was charged or not.
Watson  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2015 8:00 pm : link
Yes, I misinterpreted what you said. I thought you were saying that Darren Wilson should have been charged with murder. Agree with your other points.
Burger King  
charlito : 11/24/2015 8:02 pm : link
Stated that police deleted footage from there restaurant of the scene that night.
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RE: This is what I don't get  
mattlawson : 11/24/2015 8:10 pm : link
In comment 12643009 ShocknAwe80 said:
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The cop does appear to be a POS, and he is now being charged with murder. What will there be a protest about??? The guy killed a kid and he will now go to trial for the crime. Right? It's not like there is a giant coverup here or anything, the blue wall of silence isn't popping up, the POS is being charged with murder.



What exactly don't you get?
So why was this guy walking down the  
madgiantscow009 : 11/24/2015 8:20 pm : link
street with a knife in his hand? He is also part of the reason why he's dead now.
That video is disgusting  
BigBlueShock : 11/24/2015 8:27 pm : link
That pos needs to fry. He literally kept shooting him while he lay on the ground. Holy shit, that is disturbing.
Why didn't they just taser him  
fivehead : 11/24/2015 8:30 pm : link
and put the boots to him?
Because he's an outlier  
Bill L : 11/24/2015 8:33 pm : link
That's like asking why Dillinger didn't just use an ATM
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AP in Halfmoon : 11/24/2015 8:36 pm : link
In comment 12643190 madgiantscow009 said:
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street with a knife in his hand? He is also part of the reason why he's dead now.


He's likely a bad guy but he didnt deserve a death sentence without a trial
i'm pretty sure  
Les in TO : 11/24/2015 8:36 pm : link
that since he's being charged with murder, things will be relatively peaceful. but if he is eventually acquitted that is another story.
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