Kind of bored. What do you think of him overall? Does the whole retiring thing skew your views? Where do you rank him? Happy Thanksgiving.
I liked his playing style, tough fucking guy. He took the risks and haha, he did throw his last pass as a Packer to Corey Webster. Can’t hate the guy too much. Whatever, tonight's his nights.
Tonight!
That said the night he took the field after his father passed he wore his heart on his sleeve for all the world to see and he delivered big time. For me that was his finest hour.
Yes it was.
I assumed that was a joke.
That said the night he took the field after his father passed he wore his heart on his sleeve for all the world to see and he delivered big time. For me that was his finest hour.
Does 3 straight NFL MVP awards count as consistent?
Yes, he was the epitome of a gunslinger, so in addition to his off-the-charts offensive stats he's the alltime leader in INT's and pick 6's, but that's because he had the balls to play in a vertical passing offense and make risky throws.
more often than not though, it paid off for him and his teams.
He's a 3 time NFL MVP. Favre, Unitas and Jim Brown. that's an exclusive club - they're the only three players to be 3 time MVP (in consecutive years to boot).
He's absolutely among the all-time great QB's.
Probably, I do believe Favre is someone who would have been yanked from games if there was a concussion protocol back when he played. He's Eli tough and man I saw Favre stay in games where it looked like he had no clue where he even was.
I kind of consider Favre like that too. Favre was amazing, but in a one-and-done playoff situation, he would have scared the heck out of me.
Peyton's numbers, outside of completion percentage, meaningfully gap down. Peyton was one and done in 9/14 appearances. Favre was one and done in 3/12.
The Packers winning only two Super Bowls with Favre/Rodgers would be enormously disappointing if I were a Packers fan, if it were to happen. That's potentially a 30 year period of elite QB play.
He won one Super Bowl.
Stats carry the day I guess.
And those are the only good things I have to say about him. He's as selfish a player as I've seen in any sport.
Embarrassed his wife in a very public way, certainly not the hero that Packer fans made him.
Did anyone else notice Mark Chmura there? I guess there's no shame in Packer nation.
And those are the only good things I have to say about him. He's as selfish a player as I've seen in any sport.
Why do you consider him selfish?
He always played as though he had to be the hero, and over and over it cost his team enormously in the playoffs. He was doing stupid shit for years and the media, because it already had its Favre narrative, gave him a pass as someone that was having fun...and he bought into that persona 100%. He even mentioned playing to have fun in his speech a couple days ago.
Tell that to Chad Clifton, or Dorsey Levens, or Robert Brooks, or any of his other teammates that were breaking their asses to win only to have Favre throw it away because he was "just having fun out there".
Favre and the media sold this image of him as drawing plays in the mud, but it was all bullshit. He had his own locker room, he was a dick to Aaron Rodgers to the point that Rodgers hates his guts, and he obviously showed what kind of person he was with the messy way he left Green Bay.
IMO Favre is as bad a teammate as I can imagine having. A jerk that has cart blanche because everyone thinks he's great.
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Which is pretty much the same thing I'll say about Eli at his ceremony. Which isn't a surprise since Favre is who Eli reminds me of most.
I get the everyman tough guy persona and I appreciate it to an extent. Doesn't change my opinion that he was a flawed player that had he 'worked at his craft' should have accomplished more in his career with the talent he had. He isn't a name I throw into the greatest QB's discussion.
The last year was ugly but he had an exceptional year at the age of 40 with MIN. Those fucking cheap shot MF in New Orleans took him out with late hits and cheap shots in the playoffs. They had a shot to win it all in MIN.
Great player. One of the best QBs I ever saw.
I just was never a fan of the retiring/unretiring schtick for the last few years...
Exactly. Great QB, and great to watch because you never knew what he was going to do.
The last year was ugly but he had an exceptional year at the age of 40 with MIN. Those fucking cheap shot MF in New Orleans took him out with late hits and cheap shots in the playoffs. They had a shot to win it all in MIN.
Great player. One of the best QBs I ever saw.
Indeed, MIN was the best team that year IMO, and should have won the game.
I recall AP fumbling in some key situations as well.
That said he looked like a homeless man in the booth the other night. No wonder Jen Sterger shut down all those dick picks.
But that being said, he was simply a choke artist compared to other big name QBs...
- 4th quarter or Overtime
- Trailing by 8pts or less (one possession)
- Since 1994 (when the stats were first tracked)
These are the Top 11 QBs who have the most TD passes since '94 during the situations that fit the above criteria...
Peyton --- 42 TD -- 34 INT -- +8
Eli ------ 38 TD -- 26 INT -- +12
Brees ---- 36 TD -- 24 INT -- +12
Brady ---- 34 TD -- 22 INT -- +12
Romo ----- 29 TD -- 16 INT -- +13
Bledsoe -- 28 TD -- 26 INT -- +2
Big Ben -- 28 TD -- 17 INT -- +11
FAVRE ---- 27 TD -- 47 INT -- -20!!!
Cutler --- 25 TD -- 18 INT -- +7
Palmer --- 23 TD -- 17 INT -- +6
Rivers --- 21 TD -- 23 INT -- -2
With his team trailing by one score in the 4th quarter, Brtt Favre tended to be awfully turnover-prone. These numbers simply back up what the eye test has told us.
Only Favre and Rivers (yes, I made it 11 instead of 10 to include him) have more INTs than TDs in this situation. But Rivers only has 2 more INTs than TDs whereas Favre has 20 more INTs than TDs!!!!
That's just pathetic.
Our boy Eli looks good in yet another 4th quarter stat. Tony Romo once again looks like he is better in the 4th quarter than his reputation suggests. Brady and Peyton both come out looking good, Brady a little bit more.
This stat includes his epic 3-year peak from '94-'96 when he won 3 consecutive MVPs, so this isn't just "end of career Favre" numbers we are looking at.
For whatever reason, Brett Favre stunk in classic "clutch" situations. It speaks to his lack of patience and overconfidence in his amazing arm. He thought he could make every throw at any time and it cost him plenty of games, some which decided seasons.
As a QB, he's somewhere between Randy Johnson and Nolan Ryan were as pitchers.
Because it's kind of unfair to someone like Brady, who maybe because of being so dominant in Q1 - Q3 doesn't have the same number of chances when you include "down by 8 or less" in these stats.
the counting stats (like TD's and Int's definitely), but it also impacts the difference somewhat.
point is Brady is possibly even better than "the pack" if you consider his percent success in given opportunities.
(total assumption, not sure if true - which is why the number of chances is relevant)
And as for his playoff appearance with Minnesota, he threw one of the worst interceptions in NFL history in New Orleans. Just a stupefying, horrifying throw...
But why do you even ponder passing? - ( New Window )
If you take a snapshot of his career up to a more typical retiring age for a QB, maybe 36, it's not a even a question that he was one of the greats.
He always played as though he had to be the hero, and over and over it cost his team enormously in the playoffs. He was doing stupid shit for years and the media, because it already had its Favre narrative, gave him a pass as someone that was having fun...and he bought into that persona 100%. He even mentioned playing to have fun in his speech a couple days ago.
Tell that to Chad Clifton, or Dorsey Levens, or Robert Brooks, or any of his other teammates that were breaking their asses to win only to have Favre throw it away because he was "just having fun out there".
Favre and the media sold this image of him as drawing plays in the mud, but it was all bullshit. He had his own locker room, he was a dick to Aaron Rodgers to the point that Rodgers hates his guts, and he obviously showed what kind of person he was with the messy way he left Green Bay.
IMO Favre is as bad a teammate as I can imagine having. A jerk that has cart blanche because everyone thinks he's great.
Yikes, I never really considered Favre in that sort of light. Was he really that bad of a guy? I know that the media can really hide a lot of scumbaggery when the athlete is markable and winning - Michael Jordon has to be exhibit "A" here - but was Favre really that bad of a team mate?
Some of you have a funny way of judging qb's.
And how about Bart Starr? They didn't think he would even live and there he was having made the trip from Alabama to attend. That is one tough SOB.
Packers needed a score.
I can't judge him on the limited amount of struggles he had in later years when the earlier body of work was so strong.
He had a bit of the LeBron effect going where the Media made so much of his plays that you almost wanted to root against him because of the hyperbole.
Great QB whose play stood for itself and didn't need further hyping from the Media.
I have to disagree here. He was awesome his first year with the Vikings, but he should not have come back for a second season after those brutal injuries suffered from the NFC Championship game. He looked like a boxer that lost his chin.
Even a Favre with a weaker arm and lesser mobility IMO should have been able to extend a career based purely on experience and understanding of the game.
There have been some awful QBs since Favre left. I always thought he would go out like testaverde or Bledsoe.