Great Blue North Draft Report 1st Round Projection

But, I am trying to figure out why they don't have us drafting at 32nd position? WTH?


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Tune in to any game and he stands out, even in games like last week
when none of his teammates wanted to play. He profiles to an NYG DE to a "T". Like JonC, I've been talking up Ogbah all season. Tune into ABC on Saturday to get a first hand look for yourself when he takes on Oklahoma.

In comment 12646044 The_Boss said:

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Tune in to any game and he stands out, even in games like last week when none of his teammates wanted to play. He profiles to an NYG DE to a "T". Like JonC, I've been talking up Ogbah all season. Tune into ABC on Saturday to get a first hand look for yourself when he takes on Oklahoma.

I'll be watching. I've been hearing so much, I have to see it for myself.

because I was watching him against FL St last year and Kansas St this year and was extremely UNimpressed

And the Oregon kid are going yo be considered as well.

In comment 12646073 GiantsFan84 said:

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because I was watching him against FL St last year and Kansas St this year and was extremely UNimpressed

His #'s this year on a BAD defense are excellent. His last month of games have been especially impressive, in my opinion. What I like is they put him on both sides and he is still a force. What I don't like is the OSU coaching staff rests him too much. Now, maybe they're high on his backup and want him to get experience for next year when Ogbah's gone, but there is a noticeable drop off when he is on the sideline.

He has an NFL body and will handle the strength of the NFL from day one. He does well after engagement with blockers, showing the know-how when it comes to getting off blocks and flowing towards the action. He will be a very good run defender.

As a pass rusher he lacks the initial burst and lower body flexibility. He plays a high game. Tackles would rather go against a guy like him than the lighter but faster and lower-to-the-ground guys.

Top tier intangibles here. He will be a 1st rounder I think, likely projects to a Vinny Curry type with more upside.

He might be a little limited athletically, as Sy said, but I think he demonstrates plenty of tools worth an extended look.

I need to see and read more about Lawson, he doesn't strike me so far.

The Oregon kid is more likely a 3-4 piece.

In comment 12646146 JonC said:

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He might be a little limited athletically, as Sy said, but I think he demonstrates plenty of tools worth an extended look. I need to see and read more about Lawson, he doesn't strike me so far. The Oregon kid is more likely a 3-4 piece.

JonC and Sy, happy thanksgiving and thank you for your contributions to BBI, especially when it comes to the draft.

I can't remember if I read this or just heard it, but I thought Ogbah initially had some "conditioning" type issues as a Freshman/Sophomore, but committed to changing his body. Maybe it wasn't him, but thought I heard that.

Just reading write ups about him, makes me think of him as a potential LDE in an NFL 4-3. Given Sy's comparison, I like the idea of signing Curry (I think you'll see FAs leaving Philly like rats jumping off a sinking ship this offseason) away from the Eagles and drafting Ogbah. Besides, Ogbah is Nigerian, which means he will probably be wearing blue next year.

from two days ago. Discussion on Ogbah's 1st round projected status

Will Emmanuel Ogbah be a first-round draft pick? - ( New Window )

That could be the root of conditioning issues, too much muscle, but that's a guess on my part. Hopefully he doesn't pop for PEDs. I think he'll climb the charts during scouting season, keep an eye on him.

be too hard to resist?

and WR figures to be a significant need when you consider current status, and that they were looking WR in the 3rd round last May before their targets were all picked.

It's a good year to be good.

Pretty crazy that ole miss may have 3 of the top 10 played in the country. When's the last time one school had 3 top 10 picks?

penn state had 3.

carter, collins, and brady.

just a few years ago.

The Sam Bradford year.

Oklahoma

No 1 - S. Bradford

No 3 - G. McCoy

No 5 - T. Williams

is the best of the DB's.

If they choose to go that route.

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In comment 12646146 JonC said: Quote: He might be a little limited athletically, as Sy said, but I think he demonstrates plenty of tools worth an extended look. I need to see and read more about Lawson, he doesn't strike me so far. The Oregon kid is more likely a 3-4 piece. JonC and Sy, happy thanksgiving and thank you for your contributions to BBI, especially when it comes to the draft. I can't remember if I read this or just heard it, but I thought Ogbah initially had some "conditioning" type issues as a Freshman/Sophomore, but committed to changing his body. Maybe it wasn't him, but thought I heard that. Just reading write ups about him, makes me think of him as a potential LDE in an NFL 4-3. Given Sy's comparison, I like the idea of signing Curry (I think you'll see FAs leaving Philly like rats jumping off a sinking ship this offseason) away from the Eagles and drafting Ogbah. Besides, Ogbah is Nigerian, which means he will probably be wearing blue next year.

I'll bet dollars to donuts that the Giants sign Curry in the first day or two of FA.

I wonder if Ezekiel Elliot would be high on their list. Might not be a popular pick but by god do they need a running back with some speed.

A pass rusher is job 1.

In comment 12646213 BigBlueCane said:

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is the best of the DB's. If they choose to go that route.

Unfortunately, there's a 99% chance he's gone by the time the Giants pick.

In comment 12646238 Reb8thVA said:

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I wonder if Ezekiel Elliot would be high on their list. Might not be a popular pick but by god do they need a running back with some speed.

Elliot is great, and I wouldn't go crazy, but damn, this team needs a ton of defense. I'm tired of watching poor defense every week. They can win with non pro bowl type RBs, so I'd ideally like a pass rusher or CB if the value is there. Of course, free agency will take care of some of the issues, hopefully

I just don't want to see us get caught up in another Cedric Jones situation. I'd rather go talent over need.

They'll draft for talent more often than not, but RB tends to fall behind DE/WR/CB on their board unless the RB is something special.

First, second, third or fourth round but they need a RB with some speed who can be the featured back , even if they go RB by committee.

Is Shaun Oakman. Not sure if he is a legit first round player, or does he slide to day 2? When you watch him play, he leaves a lot to be desired, and then out of nowhere, he'll make an amazing play. But they are really few and far between.

would be a great pick-up in this draft, reminds me of cruz a little and would provide some needed insurance at the position.

I think DE, LB, and DB are all at the highest need of the talent spectrum. Pass Rusher first and foremost. A lot depends on how well they do in FA this year. Hope they set themselves up to grab BPA, would be nice to see a talented huge TE weapon on this team.

a pass rush DT alongside Hank.
We also really need a solid OL pick, again, in rds 1 or 2.
The FA class looks avg+ since teams seemed to have locked up the good OLinemen this past offseason.
Odi and Og-b?

and Bromley will be counted heavily to step up, and soon, as he has the opportunity to flash right now.

If NYG decides to cut Beatty loose, I expect them to go after a Cordy Glenn to finish the OL. Hart will get first crack at developing into the next RG, and they'll look at other OL prospects mid to late rounds.

When the draft finally gets here, expect the usual suspects at the top : DE, WR, CB to get first looks.

and he's 24 or 25 when next season begins.

Baylor has a big matchup tonight @ TCU, should present a good look at Oakman.

In comment 12646420 JonC said:

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and Bromley will be counted heavily to step up, and soon, as he has the opportunity to flash right now. If NYG decides to cut Beatty loose, I expect them to go after a Cordy Glenn to finish the OL. Hart will get first crack at developing into the next RG, and they'll look at other OL prospects mid to late rounds. When the draft finally gets here, expect the usual suspects at the top : DE, WR, CB to get first looks.

Per usual we agree. In fact, I would not be surprised to see the Giants go rounds 1-3 in this order, DE, CB, WR. They've spent three premium picks on OL in the last four years, that should be enough. Resources need to be spent elsewhere, like the three positions mentioned above.

If they're able to retain Prince, then expect them to look for a slot CB as we know for a fact they made a big pitch to Buster Skrine last offseason, and were outbid by the Jets.

If the prospects are there when NYG is on the clock, I'm expecting a WR and DE in the first three rounds.

Effort is also an issue with him.I've seen running plays where he barely takes 2 steps once out of his stance.

What the Giants need is Bosa,Calhoun, or both.

My quick read on the talent thus far is that 4-3 DE actually looks to be pretty strong this year, with some quality prospects maybe lasting into the 2nd round. Unless a can't miss outside WR is still on the board, I think DE is the most likely play in round 1.

I know Prince has the injury history, but I think if you're the Giants you make a strong effort to bring him back. With Prince, they have the best to CBs in the division, and Prince is one of the best run defending CBs out there. A third CB is a must, and I think they have to address nickel CB in FA and draft another early.

Part of me wonders if the Giants will stick with Brinkley at MLB. He's proven the ability to be a very strong MLB in the 4-3 base. Have Kennard make the defensive calls, and continue to find the right guy at WLB. Thomas and Casillias seem like nice guys to have, but a difference maker would be nice at WLB.

Out of curiosity, which WR and CB prospects do you like?

I haven't done as much homework on prospect yet, my current consulting role is demanding of my time.

Hargreaves is a consensus top prospect, but I've seen very little of him so far. I like Mackensie Alexander, Kendall Fuller, Kevon Seymour, and Lloyd Carrington, to name a few CBs.

My feeling is WR is a bit lean at the top in terms of talent, but I like Will Fuller and Josh Doctson. Dural, Caroo and Shepard might be 2-3 round range picks.

In comment 12646465 JonC said:

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I haven't done as much homework on prospect yet, my current consulting role is demanding of my time. Hargreaves is a consensus top prospect, but I've seen very little of him so far. I like Mackensie Alexander, Kendall Fuller, Kevon Seymour, and Lloyd Carrington, to name a few CBs. My feeling is WR is a bit lean at the top in terms of talent, but I like Will Fuller and Josh Doctson. Dural, Caroo and Shepard might be 2-3 round range picks.

Would like to see the Giants get a younger version of Dwayne Harris in the draft. A swiss army knife type of guy.

I know the Giants have 2 young DTs, but Billings is the best player available from that spot on (of the guys listed in this mock).

with two DTs already in hand.

In comment 12646669 JonC said:

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with two DTs already in hand.

would be an over investment in the position. You have to take some risk somewhere

The two WRs they targeted last Spring in the 3rd round were Strong and Lockett, which provides ideas as to skillsets they were seeking.

If he's their best option to replace Beason, he'll be back. I'd expect them to see who's out there via UFA, a 26/27 year old ascending talent, for example. MIKE and RT are two positions where NYG has preferred to try and fill with veterans for 20+ years.

In comment 12646687 JonC said:

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The two WRs they targeted last Spring in the 3rd round were Strong and Lockett, which provides ideas as to skillsets they were seeking.

I was extremely high on Lockett last year. Would love to see them get their hands on a similarly skilled player. Dwayne Harris part deux.

In comment 12646721 JonC said:

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If he's their best option to replace Beason, he'll be back. I'd expect them to see who's out there via UFA, a 26/27 year old ascending talent, for example. MIKE and RT are two positions where NYG has preferred to try and fill with veterans for 20+ years.

Yup, Michael Barrow and Pierce come to mind. Someone might shake loose.

What are your thoughts on Schwartz? I am trying to keep an open mind, but he has been the least impressive so far. Newhouse seems to have held up better.

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Is Shaun Oakman.

This is why I don't want Oakman....
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In comment 12646442 ghost718 said:

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Effort is also an issue with him.I've seen running plays where he barely takes 2 steps once out of his stance. What the Giants need is Bosa,Calhoun, or both.

Bosa will be gone top 10 and my guess is probably top 5. Calhoun may be there. They would not be a bad pick at all if they are in the 20-30 range

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In comment 12646669 JonC said: Quote: with two DTs already in hand. would be an over investment in the position. You have to take some risk somewhere

It depends. I do think Billings would be a good pick because he is like the DT most of us were clamoring for 2 years ago in Aaron Donald. very quick off the ball and can be a terror in opposing team's backfields. You sandwich him between Hankins and possibly a more recovered JPP and you have that the D-Line causing pressure it couldn't do this year. Heck, Maybe Billings and Whitlock's quickness up the middle would be enjoyable to watch. I would not doubt the idea of drafting him at all. Bromley is a overdrafted DT and the only other option would probably be Markus Kuhn, which none of us would argue is good options.

it is the shortage of draft picks and how NYG tends to prioritize positions among those six precious picks that will likely push DT down the ladder.

Oakman just doesn't do it for me. I don't know if it's effort, or a lack of talent despite his freakish size and athletic ability, but his impact is just not felt. He easily lets himself get blocked and pushed around by what should be inferior competition, and the pass rush is just not there.

Still very curious to see if a team takes him early given his size, and if rocks the combine.

but Oakman definitely plays very tall, isn't instinctive in playing two ways or finding the football, and doesn't play with physicality.

He is athletic and rangy and could probably be pro coached up quite a bit, but he feels like a boom/bust choice at this stage.

consideration such as a pass rushing DE, a good RB, and dare I say LBer even though I know thats out of the question....

and Ogbah playing this evening. There's other pro prospects on OSU worth a look including Peterson, Flowers, Simmons on defense.

Maybe 2016 will have a good crop of them. I'd still like to rob Ansah from the Lions if they want to deal...

Watching, Sterling Shepard and Eric Striker are big time players.

Bosa will go very high, Buckner might be better in a 3-4. Lawson I haven't seen enough of yet myself.

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the Oklahoma/Ok. State, but caught the end of Notre Dame/Stanford. This is way down the road, but the QB from Notre Dame is awfully impressive, very poised.