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Romo is injured but fact is he sucked this year.

Shadow : 11/27/2015 10:35 am
Is anyone in the Media going to acknowledge that even when healthy this year he still was below average. 5 tds 7ints in 4 games. Maybe Jerrah needs to think about a Qb with that low pick they are sure to have.
Dallas window is closing fast. Not one megdia source is giving us
The Tony played like crap line. If this was Eli we would be hearing how he is done.
The Cowboys are definitely going to bring in  
Jay on the Island : 11/27/2015 10:38 am : link
a QB this offseason. Let's just hope the Cowboys do something stupid and trade for Johnny Manziel rather than draft a potential franchise QB with their likely top 5 pick.
Not a CFB guy  
jcn56 : 11/27/2015 10:38 am : link
Is there anyone in the QB ranks in this year's draft worth picking top 5?
He didn't look bad when he brought the Cowboys back to beat us  
NYG07 : 11/27/2015 10:43 am : link
in week 1. That being said, Jerry sold out to win it all this year. They are in a tough spot moving forward. Every game Hardy plays and every sack he gets removes cap space for them this offseason. They will likely have to cut Brandon Carr and let Rolando McClain walk. They are paying big money to Romo, Dez and Tyron Smith. I know they have maneuvered the cap well over the years but they will have to drop talent and rely on the draft moving forward.
RE: Not a CFB guy  
Jay on the Island : 11/27/2015 10:45 am : link
In comment 12646293 jcn56 said:
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Is there anyone in the QB ranks in this year's draft worth picking top 5?

I'm not a CFB guy either but from what I have read there really ins't a true consensus #1 pick QB right now. Keep in mind that that is often the case for this time of year and as we get closer to the draft there will likely be a QB who becomes the favorite to be the #1 pick.
Going forward, there's no need to concede anything to the Cowboys.  
bceagle05 : 11/27/2015 10:46 am : link
Romo's breaking down, they haven't replaced Murray, Witten's slowing down, their OL is very good but not as dominant as advertised, and their best player on defense is piece of shit Greg Hardy, who may not be back after this season (even if he is, he's a misstep away from a long suspension). Giants need to build a defense and seize control of this division.
I think what is being lost in all of this  
robbieballs2003 : 11/27/2015 10:50 am : link
is that their OL isn't as good as they are made out to be. They are a great run blocking group but they struggle in pass protection. Last year I think Romo got sacked 41 times if memory serves me correctly and his attempts went down drastically. I haven't seen anything this year that says that has changed.
RE: I think what is being lost in all of this  
mfsd : 11/27/2015 10:52 am : link
In comment 12646305 robbieballs2003 said:
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is that their OL isn't as good as they are made out to be. They are a great run blocking group but they struggle in pass protection. Last year I think Romo got sacked 41 times if memory serves me correctly and his attempts went down drastically. I haven't seen anything this year that says that has changed.


And while Romo is at his best when running around and improvising, as we've seen the last couple years, the beatings are catching up to him
RE: The Cowboys are definitely going to bring in  
Giants2012 : 11/27/2015 10:53 am : link
In comment 12646292 Jay on the Island said:
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a QB this offseason. Let's just hope the Cowboys do something stupid and trade for Johnny Manziel rather than draft a potential franchise QB with their likely top 5 pick.


Right now they phil 4th overall yet have a ton of dollars allocated to Romo. I have no idea how they will get under the cap without restructuring him or Dez, etc again.
RE: I think what is being lost in all of this  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2015 10:56 am : link
In comment 12646305 robbieballs2003 said:
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is that their OL isn't as good as they are made out to be. They are a great run blocking group but they struggle in pass protection. Last year I think Romo got sacked 41 times if memory serves me correctly and his attempts went down drastically. I haven't seen anything this year that says that has changed.


yesterday they struggled in run blocking. Even before the game was out of hand. was that CAR D or Cowboys OL? Or both?

I once thought Carolina was massively overrated, but the more I see them the more fundamentally sound they are in the trenches (and other spots). Only WR seems like a weakness for them.
RE: RE: The Cowboys are definitely going to bring in  
Jay on the Island : 11/27/2015 11:03 am : link
In comment 12646309 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12646292 Jay on the Island said:


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a QB this offseason. Let's just hope the Cowboys do something stupid and trade for Johnny Manziel rather than draft a potential franchise QB with their likely top 5 pick.



Right now they phil 4th overall yet have a ton of dollars allocated to Romo. I have no idea how they will get under the cap without restructuring him or Dez, etc again.

Jerry will do what he always does. He will likely cut Carr and then extend/restructure Romo/Witten/Smith/Lee etc pushing even more dead money into the future.
pj  
robbieballs2003 : 11/27/2015 11:11 am : link
yep, Carolina did a fantastic job against their run game yesterday but I have to give Carolina the benefit of the doubt over Dallas' incompetence. The fact that they lost Hardy and are either as good if not better as a defense is amazing. Short is playing at an insane level. Having Davis and Kuechly at LB is great for them too. Norman could be argued to be the best corner in the game right now.

I remember when they had a sick front 7 against us a few years ago and started like all undrafted FAs in the secondary and we thought we were going to light them up. They owned us. I think from that year on they have just gotten better and better as a defensive unit.

The Carolina defense  
Jay on the Island : 11/27/2015 11:30 am : link
is outstanding. The DT duo of Lotulelei and Short are as good as any other in the entire league. Johnson is a solid two way DE and they have the best MLB in football in Kuechly. It is amazing the progress CB Josh Norman has made. Norman was the CB that the great Ramses Barden destroyed in the only great game of his career. Now Norman is a legitimate #1 CB.
RE: The Carolina defense  
AcidTest : 11/27/2015 11:47 am : link
In comment 12646326 Jay on the Island said:
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is outstanding. The DT duo of Lotulelei and Short are as good as any other in the entire league. Johnson is a solid two way DE and they have the best MLB in football in Kuechly. It is amazing the progress CB Josh Norman has made. Norman was the CB that the great Ramses Barden destroyed in the only great game of his career. Now Norman is a legitimate #1 CB.


Agreed.
If your going by stats, then of course  
barens : 11/27/2015 11:52 am : link
You are going to make that determination, but Romo still pulled a rabbit out of his hat with that win against us on opening night. To declare that he is done would be quite premature.
3-1 with Romo (and he didn't finish the game in that one loss)  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/27/2015 11:54 am : link
0-7 without Romo.

I get the stats aren't great, but sample size, sample size, sample size.

If the media decided to focus on this, they'd be wasting energy on crap.
I'm quite sure  
bceagle05 : 11/27/2015 11:59 am : link
Romo wasn't going to pull out that Carolina game in the fourth quarter.
RE: He didn't look bad when he brought the Cowboys back to beat us  
USAF NYG Fan : 11/27/2015 12:00 pm : link
In comment 12646299 NYG07 said:
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in week 1.

Have our Giants made any QB look bad this year?

Good post OP. I was thinking about posting something similar. Romo played in less than 4 games and still threw more picks than Eli has in 10 full games. Yet, and you're right, nobody calls Romo out for his crappy play. However, Eli is still considered inconsitent. MJD just stated the old, "Which Eli will we see line?" (I'll provide link below). I think I'd have to go back to last year's SF game when Eli had a bad game (3 interceptions). It's mind boggling how people get this wrong.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-giants/0ap3000000587142/Week-12-Power-Rankings - ( New Window )
Sorry wrong link  
USAF NYG Fan : 11/27/2015 12:03 pm : link
even though he says it in the previous link too. MJD was worse in this one.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-giants/0ap3000000587304/Giants-vs-Redskins-Preview - ( New Window )
RE: I'm quite sure  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/27/2015 12:04 pm : link
In comment 12646354 bceagle05 said:
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Romo wasn't going to pull out that Carolina game in the fourth quarter.


Of course not. It was just a notation. But if you'd like it removed, sure:

3-1 vs.
0-7

This is a silly conversation (the whole thread, not your contribution there)
I'm not a Romo defender  
blueblood'11 : 11/27/2015 12:05 pm : link
He played in all of three and a half games. How you make an assessment like that is beyond comprehension.
I respect Romo  
bceagle05 : 11/27/2015 12:06 pm : link
but the media's treatment of him this past week was laughable. Really embarrassing. The notion of them running the table with Romo was a fantasy - losses to Carolina and Green Bay were inevitable with Romo, and road games in Buffalo and Washington were no sure thing either. I wish Eli got that type of respect from the media every now and then.
Realistically,  
Doomster : 11/27/2015 12:21 pm : link
Romo came back too soon....those people calling him a china doll, are idiots....he had no business being out there.....but what choice did they have? They were hoping for a miracle.....

He looked rusty, and tentative last week......he obviously was trying to protect that shoulder.....when you play, while thinking protect, it takes away from your game....and there is a huge difference in playing Miami, vs Carolina....

When Romo is healthy, he is always a threat.....but all the hits he has taken over the years are taking their toll.....his back is one good hit away from possibly ending his career....I give the guy kudos for coming back too early....the team, and mainly Jerruh, were counting on him....

But now, even a healthy Romo, at the start of next year, will be a huge question mark.....he will be ok, at the start of the season, but it's just a question of time before the accumulation of the hits from the season, start to add up, and limit his play.....
RE: 3-1 with Romo (and he didn't finish the game in that one loss)  
MetsAreBack : 11/27/2015 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12646350 Mike in Long Beach said:
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0-7 without Romo.

I get the stats aren't great, but sample size, sample size, sample size.

If the media decided to focus on this, they'd be wasting energy on crap.



Agree with you on sample size, but what a silly incoherent qualifier in your title. He didnt finish week 2 at Philly either. In two of his four starts his offense scored 10 points or less. And Eli/TC gave them the game in week 1.

Bottom line is while I like Romo as a person/player, he has a hairline fracture in a non-throwing shoulder. If the team was at all competitive, he would play through this. Eli.. would play through this.

But Dallas has made a business decision to tank -- better to give your fanbase hope for next season that if healthy you have a good team, than to give them more reality kicks to the nuts like yesterday afternoon. A game that ... at home on a short week... with Romo and Dez... saw another team come in and kick the living crap out of them (33-6 late in the 3rd)
RE: RE: 3-1 with Romo (and he didn't finish the game in that one loss)  
Jimmy Googs : 11/27/2015 12:45 pm : link
In comment 12646402 MetsAreBack said:
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Bottom line is while I like Romo as a person/player, he has a hairline fracture in a non-throwing shoulder. If the team was at all competitive, he would play through this. Eli.. would play through this.


That's the bottom line...a QB with a fractured collarbone should be suiting up?
It's hard for me to be objective with Dallas  
djm : 11/27/2015 12:47 pm : link
But I tried and throughout the summer I didn't like all the adulation and love going to Dallas and had a sneaking feeling they wouldn't meet expectations this year. They lost a lot when they let Murray go and the defense was never as good as popular belief plus romo was and is one hit away from season ending status and no you cannot say the same for every qb. Romo gets hurt more than most even if fanatic says otherwise. When you miss two huge chunks of two seasons over the last 6 it's a concern and romo isn't getting any younger. Plus, let's be honest here Dallas never strings two good years together not since 06-07. Garrett is a mediocre coach I've seen enough now to know this. Then you had the drama and locker room dooshbaggery and you have a house of cards. Even with romo this team isn't as good as last year's team which means the NFC east was always going to be wide open.

Fuck Dallas. They were woefully prepared for the season and completely blindsided by the romo injury. They handled things terribly. Done. Bye bye.
he has a hairline fracture.  
MetsAreBack : 11/27/2015 12:48 pm : link
you can extrapolate that to broken neck or broken shoulder if you like but the facts are its a very small hairline break to a nonthrowing shoulder. It's about pain management.

Dallas has made a business decision to tank and give their fans hope that if only Romo and Dez could stay healthy this is a superbowl team.

I dont blame them though - at 3-8 and fresh off as thorough an ass-pounding as i've seen this year, what's the point in risking him further injury.
very small sample size.....  
BillKo : 11/27/2015 1:09 pm : link
and he's obviously very rusty after setting about two months.

He played poorly yesterday, versus a very good defense. It's gonna happen.
contract - cap  
sphinx : 11/27/2015 1:23 pm : link
Andrew Brandt
Romo has most mortgaged contract in the NFL, multiple re-dos to create Cap room. Salary next year is $8.5M but Cap number is $20.1M. Stark.

RE: He didn't look bad when he brought the Cowboys back to beat us  
Mason : 11/27/2015 1:43 pm : link
In comment 12646299 NYG07 said:
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in week 1. That being said, Jerry sold out to win it all this year. They are in a tough spot moving forward. Every game Hardy plays and every sack he gets removes cap space for them this offseason. They will likely have to cut Brandon Carr and let Rolando McClain walk. They are paying big money to Romo, Dez and Tyron Smith. I know they have maneuvered the cap well over the years but they will have to drop talent and rely on the draft moving forward.


Actually he did. How do you think the Giants D look so good early in that game. Romo was throwing picks and missing guys left and right in that game. The problem was the Giants offense was even worse in that game.
RE: Sorry wrong link  
Toth029 : 11/27/2015 3:22 pm : link
In comment 12646358 USAF NYG Fan said:
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even though he says it in the previous link too. MJD was worse in this one. http://www.nfl.com/videos/new-york-giants/0ap3000000587304/Giants-vs-Redskins-Preview - ( New Window )

MJD is too busy stuffing his face with bon bons to notice he's wrong.
Too  
oldog : 11/27/2015 4:39 pm : link
bad, so sad. But he didn't suck in game # 1.
Huh?  
trueblueinpw : 11/27/2015 9:29 pm : link
I fucking hate Dallas, but only a fool would question Romo's toughness. Romo's tough as a $2 steak. If he weren't a tough SOB he'd have hung up his spurs after the back surgery.

All due respect to Romo's toughness, the media Cowboy love was totally absurd. In fact, all the hype of Dallas running the table must have been stipulated by the networks trying to build up the game. No football fan worth their salt thought Romo and the Cowboys were going to run table. I certainly didn't think they would win yesterday against Carolina.
Well...  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/27/2015 9:33 pm : link
More than one BBI poster suggested Dallas would beat Carolina.
Didn't make any sense...  
trueblueinpw : 11/27/2015 9:58 pm : link
Romo was pretty shaky again the Fins and he took some good shots. Then he flys back to Dallas, has a short week to recuperate after a long injury layoff to face an undefeated team with an outstanding shutdown corner, a ferocious D line, two of the best linebackers in the NFL and a quarterback thats doing things no other quarterback has even done. So, beating the Pathers was a long shot. But running the table? No. Anyone who thought Dallas was running the table was not thinking clearly.
romo  
area junc : 11/27/2015 11:26 pm : link
looked 50% at best yesterday. passes had no zip. surprised he was on the field.
Dallas..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/28/2015 7:52 am : link
was 3-7 and you ahd a lot of people, including a whole lot here on BBI convinced that Romo equaled them running the table.

No idea how they came up with that conclusion, but when the group thought is along those lines, you can understand how it might be frustrating to have decent football discussions here.
No, no, Romo is the second coming of Unitas  
PatersonPlank : 11/28/2015 7:54 am : link
He is great and a sure fire hall of famer. If he didn't get hurt he would have beaten the Panthers and then won the division. Just kidding.

Just ask anyone who doesn't live in Dallas. Its funny, in Dallas they have a much more "balanced" opinion of him. Its just the national media.
Plank is right. Local Dallas fans like Romo's talent  
Jimmy Googs : 11/28/2015 8:05 am : link
but they discount that down a good deal because a) he doesn't always show up to work each Sunday; and b) penchant for trying too risky throws at end of games when not needed

But I am actually ashamed of myself talking Dallas and Romo on Nov 28th when my team is in the race and they are not.

So should all of you...
Talking about Dallas and Romo's future  
JohnF : 11/28/2015 9:01 am : link
is fun when they're out of the race!

I still think Jerry Jones (at least in his own mind) needs to win now, based on possible cap issues they will have in the future, as well as Jones's age. So I think the Cowboys will make moves based on both imperatives.

Everyone knows that Jerrah lusted after Manziel in that draft, and had to be talked out of drafting him. In JJ's mind, Johnny Football would be the perfect heir to the Cowboys QB position; he would flourish behind that offensive line. Manziel would also be marketing gold, he'd make JJ a ton of cash. Cleveland might bite on a 2nd round draft choice to trade him, and based on Dallas's record, that should be a really good 2nd.

Another short term fix would be getting a real replacement for Murray. I think Dallas would look at getting Ezekiel Elliott (Ohio State), to do that, should their draft choice be high enough.

Do both, and you have a solid replacement for Romo (who is likely to get injured again), and a solidified running game. That should be enough to get them in real playoff contention next year.
Romo is the best!  
Randy in CT : 11/28/2015 9:05 am : link
Imagine if he were healthy! He'd run the table every season! Wait...
Do people in Football America really care about  
Jimmy Googs : 11/28/2015 9:06 am : link
Johnny Manziel?


kind of one of those rhetoricals...
RE: Do people in Football America really care about Johnny Manziel?  
JohnF : 11/28/2015 9:19 am : link
In Texas, he's a college hero. Make him the QB of the Dallas Cowboys, and he becomes an TMZ/ESPN/NFL Network sensation.

QB for the Cowboys is like what center fielder for the Yankees used to be. He would sell a ton of tickets to Jerry World, and a ton of jerseys and other Dallas merchandise.

Add in the at the national Cowboy fanbase, and yeah, Football America would care. The national media would talk about him daily, just as they do with Romo now...because of ratings.
RE: RE: Do people in Football America really care about Johnny Manziel?  
Jimmy Googs : 11/28/2015 9:27 am : link
In comment 12647116 JohnF said:
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In Texas, he's a college hero. Make him the QB of the Dallas Cowboys, and he becomes an TMZ/ESPN/NFL Network sensation.


I believe he was just demoted to 3rd string on the Cleveland Browns. So he has a bit of work ahead of him...
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