And start investing some top draft picks in the lber corp? They play a 4-3 like we do.
While watching the Dallas shelling yesterday, I like everyone noticed how good their lber corps is. Why not, they have invested top picks in the group. Kuechly was a top 10 pick, Davis was a first rounder and Shaq Thompson was a first rounder this year. There is no doubt that this group makes the whole defense better including Josh Norman and their Dl. They were getting pressure with an aging Jared Allen. Yes They do have Michael Johnson but he has been injured last few games.
I like Kennard, I think that we might have stuck a little gold with him. But we can't expect to do it 2 more times. When we add lbers in free agency they have been other teams castaways or viewed as not a high an option to keep or their team would have resigned them. I know that when we traded for Beason he did/does have a positive effect on our def, but he is injured too much.
I know we have a lot of holes DE, WR, OT, S (Id say cb but
I'm going on the assumption that we sign Prince this off season Think that its time start improving this often left behind def position.
Who will support me with this initiative???
Not saying I don't agree. They obviously need help at the position and if the right fit is there, go for it. But the Panthers kind of lucked out with getting him. He's the rare type of guy that just transforms your whole defense.
How many times has Kuechley been nominated for def player of the year? Now I know that he is elite but we could use upgrade of talent at this position!
True dat but they obviously think lber is very important to spend first round picks on the position!
I absolutely believe a solid MLB with good wheels becomes an immediate leader on this defense, and would quickly translate to better play on 3rd down.
Never bought into the Giants "invest elsewhere" theory because they hoped they had a solution in Beason and invested in him. He just obviously wasn't the solution.
- Jon C
I absolutely believe a solid MLB with good wheels becomes an immediate leader on this defense, and would quickly translate to better play on 3rd down.
Never bought into the Giants "invest elsewhere" theory because they hoped they had a solution in Beason and invested in him. He just obviously wasn't the solution.
Oh absolutely. If the talent is not there in rd 1 then you look to best talent, but I think that they value other postions higher in rd 1.
Again this is a tiresome subject, but I hope sometime soon we do invest in some talented, capable LBs whether it be via the draft or free agency.
But your point is well taken.
That said, Giants need help in a lot of spots. They only have six picks. And there are not a lot of top 4-3 linebackers coming out of college now.
But your point is well taken.
That said, Giants need help in a lot of spots. They only have six picks. And there are not a lot of top 4-3 linebackers coming out of college now.
Each line helps the others. If a DT misses a tackle and the lber is right there to help out then...
1) a DE with burst
2) a rangy Free Safety (so Collins can play SS)
3) a MLB with decent wheels
and a decent slot corner is probably a close #4.
But your point is well taken.
That said, Giants need help in a lot of spots. They only have six picks. And there are not a lot of top 4-3 linebackers coming out of college now.
Eric, you can make an argument that our LBs of the 80s and 90s made the DLs OK good. Erik Howard and Eric Dorsey were just guys. George Martin was solid. Mike Fox? Leonard Marshall was the best until like Keith Hamilton.
But you would be wrong. So very wrong. Seriously wrong. Look back and see how many probowls the defensive line had back in the LT era. You can't possibly said that was due to being carried by the linebackers.
Listen, I know this is BBI where everyone exaggerates to make their point but even by our standard saying Martin was merely solid is a ridiculous over-exaggeration. The man had more career sacks than Leonard Marshall who's you are acknowledging was more than just a guy. (Sacks weren't an official stat for the first half of Martins career so he is credited with 46 by the NFL and 96 by the Giants.)
Btw, you also left out probowler Jim Burt and finally, Mike Fox played in the early 90's during the Dan Reeve's era. How is he even being mentioned with the others?
if i was a GM MLB would be right up there w/QB
The other way around? Other than playing well and making the D as a whole look good, I'm not sure I see any specific examples.
What really gets to me though is that Reese and the FO generally have misjudged in a significant way how the NFL game is being played: at one time DEs + DTs + CBs made sense. In the past several years, shorter drops, quicker patterns, greater use of TEs and slot receivers in crossing and short patterns--we have lived with the mediocrity of the Giants' LB position during this period and and it has cost the team over and over and over.
Even so, it's not like he said he could field a team with the beat writers at LB.
Here's the facts : NYG has built SB winning 4-3 defenses around premium DEs, very good DTs and CBs, a MIKE leader, and a number of spare parts, basically.
Due to the salary cap, and their proven model, it's unlikely they start doing things much differently. As Eric said, the college ranks isn't exactly pumping out 4-3 LBs, especially MIKEs. But year after year, you can find quality DEs and CBs.
If they want a MIKE upgrade, it will most likely come via UFA so start scouring the prospects for free agency first. They just spent on JT Thomas, so a WILL is unlikely.
If those things occur, this defense takes a few steps fwd before long.
Ultimately, perhaps that will not prove to be the winning formula of choice. But, it's safe to suggest they're more likely to run with the formula that won them two championships rather than start tearing down the defense with Eli turning 35 in a matter of weeks.
Aside from that, it terms of how to build strategically, you build to beat your division. As far as that goes, I am tired of Philly and Dallas kicking our asses up front. You don't pass up a difference maker on defense, but all things being equal, I'm building from front to back, on both sides. And that's acknowledging some big needs elsewhere.
Brilliant..
It's clearly a passing league now. You have to rush that bastid trying to throw the football and cover the guys who are trying to catch it.
I'm not saying that LBers are a thing of the past and I realize what good backers can do for you, but I'm sticking with Dline & backfield and I get my LBers with whatever is left over.
They do need a lot of things, DE being one. Add another rangy FS is necessary. Obviously a MLB. Perhaps another DT unless Bromley impresses.
You are so right. Eli probably has 5 years. You spend the cash over the next two years or so, cause by 2020, it's a rebuild anyway. (holy *#(%&*#@ 2020!!)
So Coughlin coaches until he is 74 then, right :)
I dont think he is a FA next year.. unless he has an opt out
I dont think he is a FA next year.. unless he has an opt out
You are correct. He has 1 mire year on his rookie deal. I was hearing several weeks ago the Lions might be having a fire sale. If I were the Giants, I'd at least approach them and see if they can get an offer from the Lions. Can't hurt to ask...
We still can hope Moore gets better at stopping the run and OO heals up real well. Wynn is a good young DE also but not know for pass rushing.
No longer. We don't have the DEs of the past. We should stengthen all parts equally or opportunistically as needed. And of all all the areas we are weakest at LB.
However looking at the talent we have at DE and what is available in the next draft I think it might be time to move to a 3-4. I know I will get blasted for saying this but trying to find top pass rushing DE talent is really hard and really expensive to keep. With the league all going to a quick pass offense it just makes sense that you would be better off running a 3-4 or a 3-3-5
I think you just get good players at any position and hope you have a good enough coach to make the scheme fit the talent.
Again with the window closing..If you believe Eli has 5-7 years left the window is hardly closing..Eli and Brady (save for the career-ending injury) should or let's say COULD, play into their 40s if they so choose, imo
It is far from a stretch to predict another 5-7 years or more for Eli..He's not like 99% of other QBs who approach 40 and are breaking down..Eli is an ironman like the other 1%...
If he gets hurt in career-threatening fashion, all bets are off obviously..
Eli at 35-38, I'll wager on him, beyond 38 I wouldn't touch the wager.
But it's still speculative at best..TBD
If you're proven right and it's perhaps only 4 more years at a high level, then I'll certainly take it..:)