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BrettNYG10 : 11/27/2015 2:58 pm
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A gunman holed up in a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs Friday opened fire repeatedly through windows, reportedly injuring at least four people, including two police officers, according to police and local media reports

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RE: RE: RE: You reap  
TheOtherManning : 11/28/2015 12:08 am : link
In comment 12646970 trueblueinpw said:
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In comment 12646896 AP in Halfmoon said:


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In comment 12646791 Headhunter said:


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what you sow



Wow, what an ass. Is this guy for real?



If you ask me, this is a comment warrants a banning. Totally unacceptable.


HeadHunter is an abrasive asshole. Also, the sky is blue. News at 11.
the guess  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/28/2015 12:43 am : link
is that it's a radical Christian terrorist. Either way, this is tragic and incomprehensible.
RE: Bank robbery ducked into PP  
Chris in Philly : 11/28/2015 12:51 am : link
In comment 12646859 SirSirob said:
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I guess it was next door and he took shelter when he heard sirens.


That seems like the most obvious scenario!
Doesn't matter if he's a Christian fundamentalist  
David in LA : 11/28/2015 12:52 am : link
the odds are highly likely that this shooting was politically charged. To play dumb and focus the discussion on which creed this stems from is focusing on minutiae.
well, he was arrested and not shot  
santacruzom : 11/28/2015 1:21 am : link
despite killing two police officers, so it's certainly not likely that he's black!
Oh Please  
mushroom : 11/28/2015 6:59 am : link
this is ridiculous . See it's Trump's and the religious conservatives fault, see it's Planned Parenthood's policies fault, Oh the idiot is alive only because he was white. See if someone in Planned Parenthood only had a gun........What other hot button topic can we use to explain this.

Let's call if for what it is an horrendous act from an evil, evil person.
I deserve to be banned?  
Headhunter : 11/28/2015 7:14 am : link
you fucking idiot
Place is being overrun by dupes  
Headhunter : 11/28/2015 7:48 am : link
Doucenozzle signs in 9/15 and is calling for banninga? What were your other handles you coward
RE: RE: Bank robbery ducked into PP  
Zepp : 11/28/2015 8:06 am : link
In comment 12647013 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12646859 SirSirob said:


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I guess it was next door and he took shelter when he heard sirens.



That seems like the most obvious scenario!


Exactly. We really had to wait to see what kind of person did this? Really? Planned Parenthood funding might be the cause of a government shutdown next month, the right has been using this as an issue to galvanize the crazies on their side and we have to "wait to find out all the facts" as to who did this and what the motivation was?

I'm sure it had NOTHING to do with all that or the highly edited misleading videos that the right has feigned disgust over.
So if we say it is white christian fundamentalists  
SomeFan : 11/28/2015 8:20 am : link
then what? Maybe do a body count and determine which religious group killed more the last 25 years in the US in the name of religion and we will see who won.
RE: So if we say it is white christian fundamentalists  
aquidneck : 11/28/2015 8:26 am : link
In comment 12647080 SomeFan said:
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then what? Maybe do a body count and determine which religious group killed more the last 25 years in the US in the name of religion and we will see who won.


Every 25 years, pffffft!!!

We should do it every year and track the standings like we do with the NFL.

First place baby, whose gonna go out and grab it!
Ok, so just go back to beginning of the Super Bowl era  
SomeFan : 11/28/2015 8:35 am : link
ISLAM IS STILL WINNING!

RE: Ok, so just go back to beginning of the Super Bowl era  
aquidneck : 11/28/2015 8:37 am : link
In comment 12647086 SomeFan said:
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ISLAM IS STILL WINNING!


Depends in how far you want to go back, doesn't it?

It's clearly a "What have you done for me lately?" kind of league.  
Shepherdsam : 11/28/2015 8:50 am : link
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Sickening  
feelflows : 11/28/2015 9:08 am : link
Hope all is okay.

That being said, some people on this site just can't help themselves. Always with an agenda. Kudos
RE: Place is being overrun by dupes  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/28/2015 9:44 am : link
In comment 12647061 Headhunter said:
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Doucenozzle signs in 9/15 and is calling for banninga? What were your other handles you coward


I assume that was to me? I never said you should be banned. I am curious what the registration date has to do with pointing out a despicable post. There's no date on common decency.
You know, it's funny sometimes  
GFL in WV : 11/28/2015 9:47 am : link
In a 10 mile radius from where I live here in WV I would bet that there are oh, easily 10,000 guns. My father in law owns at least 5. There are probably at least as many "Christian Fundamentalists" (whatever that is) although quite frankly some of them do scare me for various reasons. Number of gun murders last year in this area? A liberal (pardon the pun) estimate? 3 And the one that I can recall was a family "somebody is screwing around with my wife" murder. Some of the liberals in the comments above with the "Christian fundamentalist white guys are all racists and murderers who love guns" please explain to me why I, and many others of all persuasions around here, am still alive?

Evil is evil, folks and sometimes some people don't need any other motive but evil intentions or the result of years of bad treatment and trauma to just lose it. People snap. Black people, white people, rednecks, liberals and Christians and atheists can all can snap at some point. So maybe we ought to worry a little more about people and do more for them than keep trying to pass yet more laws about guns. The many laws we have now are working so well, huh??
Since you can't stop a bad person with bad intentions from getting a  
Headhunter : 11/28/2015 10:29 am : link
gun and the current laws aren't working, we should stop trying to do something about it. Walk away from and take the mass shootings as a cost of business living in the US of A.
RE: Since you can't stop a bad person with bad intentions from getting a  
EricJ : 11/28/2015 10:39 am : link
In comment 12647182 Headhunter said:
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gun and the current laws aren't working, we should stop trying to do something about it. Walk away from and take the mass shootings as a cost of business living in the US of A.


Right, we know who has the toughest gun laws in the country and what their crime situation is.

My opinion on the topic is this....
Gun OWNERSHIP/PURCHASE laws should not be managed by state and should be federal. One set of laws that are applied to every state to prevent someone from buying a gun at a yard sale in Alabama and then driving those guns to another state for re-sale.

Unlawful use of a gun laws are what need to be amped up. Violent crimes with a gun gets you locked up forever with no parole. At the same time, reduce the sentences for lesser crimes (like smoking weed) to free up space for these serious offenders.

Unlawful use - IMO this would extend to the person who owns the gun in the event that the gun was given to a friend, taken from your closet by your kid, etc. Lock it up or be prepared to do the time....forever.
RE: Since you can't stop a bad person with bad intentions from getting a  
chopperhatch : 11/28/2015 10:43 am : link
In comment 12647182 Headhunter said:
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gun and the current laws aren't working, we should stop trying to do something about it. Walk away from and take the mass shootings as a cost of business living in the US of A.


Truly abhorrent mind you have there Headhunter.
RE: You know, it's funny sometimes  
charlito : 11/28/2015 10:50 am : link
In comment 12647137 GFL in WV said:
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In a 10 mile radius from where I live here in WV I would bet that there are oh, easily 10,000 guns. My father in law owns at least 5. There are probably at least as many "Christian Fundamentalists" (whatever that is) although quite frankly some of them do scare me for various reasons. Number of gun murders last year in this area? A liberal (pardon the pun) estimate? 3 And the one that I can recall was a family "somebody is screwing around with my wife" murder. Some of the liberals in the comments above with the "Christian fundamentalist white guys are all racists and murderers who love guns" please explain to me why I, and many others of all persuasions around here, am still alive?

Evil is evil, folks and sometimes some people don't need any other motive but evil intentions or the result of years of bad treatment and trauma to just lose it. People snap. Black people, white people, rednecks, liberals and Christians and atheists can all can snap at some point. So maybe we ought to worry a little more about people and do more for them than keep trying to pass yet more laws about guns. The many laws we have now are working so well, huh??



I was with you until the last sentence. There are laws broken every day. Murder, theft, rape, going over the speed limit, etc. Should we get rid of all laws . Didn't congress vote down a bill to make it harder for a suspected terrorist to get a gun. Same thing with gun free zones. Chicago, Baltimore, Denver etc are not islands thousands of miles away from the other gun friendly states.
RE: RE: You know, it's funny sometimes  
EricJ : 11/28/2015 11:03 am : link
In comment 12647199 charlito said:
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Didn't congress vote down a bill to make it harder for a suspected terrorist to get a gun.


Yes, because Congress knows that the terrorists will always get guns and something like this just limits law abiding citizens from getting them. We have gun coming over the border every day. Our government knows this which is why the "Fast & Furious" initiative was originally put in place. They sent weapons down south and wanted to see how long it would take before they started showing up on our side of the border again.
One last thing about my comment above..  
EricJ : 11/28/2015 11:04 am : link
terrorists found a way to get their hands on commercial airlines that they did not own. Getting ANY weapon is no obstacle at all.
wonder if we are going to find out  
mdc1 : 11/28/2015 11:16 am : link
that this shooter was on medication too.
RE: Oh please just stop  
Giants2012 : 11/28/2015 11:18 am : link
In comment 12646793 mushroom said:
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No idea why the evil idiot did what he did. Lets get a little more info civilians and 8 Leos were shot. Hope they are all ok.


Not saying this guy is a terrorist as much as a nut job but (evil idiot) but what's irritating me is how the media refers to these (evil idiot) terrorists as "masterminds". Seriously, if you have a weapon and use it against an unsuspecting person you're not a mastermind, you're a coward.
RE: One last thing about my comment above..  
charlito : 11/28/2015 11:20 am : link
In comment 12647208 EricJ said:
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terrorists found a way to get their hands on commercial airlines that they did not own. Getting ANY weapon is no obstacle at all.


That example goes against your argument. After 9-11 Congress passed a law making it more difficult for a terrorist to take over a commercial plane. No attack of that magnitude has taken place since.
Or he should have been on meds  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/28/2015 11:22 am : link
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There's a lot of nuts  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/28/2015 11:28 am : link
Like the guy in Ohio who drank 2 cases of beer while watching Fox News. He set a mosque on fire.
chopperhatch  
Headhunter : 11/28/2015 11:51 am : link
Why would I give a shit about what a waiter has to say other than the Specials?
RE: chopperhatch  
chopperhatch : 11/28/2015 11:55 am : link
In comment 12647238 Headhunter said:
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Why would I give a shit about what a waiter has to say other than the Specials?


Good one!

Such a punk
I need more bread  
Headhunter : 11/28/2015 11:59 am : link
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If the perp is a  
mrvax : 11/28/2015 12:08 pm : link
Christian Fundamentalist, I can tell you the person is also mentally ill. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will show anyone that acts like this are 180 degrees away from the teachings of Jesus.

"Revenge" killings are absolutely not a Christian teaching.
RE: If the perp is a  
charlito : 11/28/2015 12:11 pm : link
In comment 12647248 mrvax said:
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Christian Fundamentalist, I can tell you the person is also mentally ill. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will show anyone that acts like this are 180 degrees away from the teachings of Jesus.

"Revenge" killings are absolutely not a Christian teaching.


Neither is celebrating Christmas (a pagan holiday)
RE: RE: If the perp is a  
mrvax : 11/28/2015 12:13 pm : link
In comment 12647250 charlito said:
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Neither is celebrating Christmas (a pagan holiday)


You are correct.
RE: If the perp is a  
BlackLight : 11/28/2015 12:13 pm : link
In comment 12647248 mrvax said:
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Christian Fundamentalist, I can tell you the person is also mentally ill. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will show anyone that acts like this are 180 degrees away from the teachings of Jesus.

"Revenge" killings are absolutely not a Christian teaching.


This guy might very well be mentally ill, and that might even be the proximate cause of his actions, but I would point out that a true Christian Fundamentalist wouldn't just be taking the New Testament into account when weighing the morality of a given action.
RE: RE: If the perp is a  
mrvax : 11/28/2015 12:17 pm : link
In comment 12647254 BlackLight said:
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This guy might very well be mentally ill, and that might even be the proximate cause of his actions, but I would point out that a true Christian Fundamentalist wouldn't just be taking the New Testament into account when weighing the morality of a given action.


The point I was trying to make is that it pisses me off when someone who claims to be a Christian goes out and commits a horrific crime that flies directly against the teachings of the Person they claim to follow.
RE: RE: RE: If the perp is a  
Chris in Philly : 11/28/2015 12:24 pm : link
In comment 12647256 mrvax said:
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This guy might very well be mentally ill, and that might even be the proximate cause of his actions, but I would point out that a true Christian Fundamentalist wouldn't just be taking the New Testament into account when weighing the morality of a given action.



The point I was trying to make is that it pisses me off when someone who claims to be a Christian goes out and commits a horrific crime that flies directly against the teachings of the Person they claim to follow. [/quote

I would submit that a great many Muslins feel the same exact way...]
AP ... 12:57 PM ...  
sphinx : 11/28/2015 1:22 pm : link
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) -- A loner from North Carolina who liked to spend time in his mountain cabin and avoided eye contact with neighbors was in custody Saturday after police said he opened fire at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic and killed three people.

Robert Lewis Dear, 57, left behind few clues about his motive, police said, and those who knew him said he seemed to have few religious or political leanings.

"If you talked to him, nothing with him was very cognitive - topics all over place," said James Russell, who lives a few hundred feet from Dear in Black Mountain. A cross made of twigs hung Saturday on the wall of Dear's pale yellow shack

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Dear's cabin is a half-mile up a curvy dirt road about 15 miles west of Asheville, North Carolina. He also had a trailer in the nearby town of Swannanoa.

Other neighbors knew Dear but didn't want to give their names because they said they were fearful he might retaliate.

Russell and others said the only companion they saw with Dear was a mangy dog, who looked to be in such bad shape they called animal control because they worried he was beating it.


BuzzFeedNews does  
sphinx : 11/28/2015 1:33 pm : link
what BuzzFeedNews does ...
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RE: If the perp is a  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/28/2015 1:34 pm : link
In comment 12647248 mrvax said:
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Christian Fundamentalist, I can tell you the person is also mentally ill. Even a cursory reading of the New Testament will show anyone that acts like this are 180 degrees away from the teachings of Jesus.

"Revenge" killings are absolutely not a Christian teaching.


Yes because religious fanatics never twist the words of their "God".
From the above Buzz Feed:  
natefit : 11/28/2015 1:38 pm : link
Post said he once went to Dear’s home to retrieve two dogs that had gotten loose. “We were there for a minute and the guy was already handing us anti-Obama pamphlets,” he said. According to Post, Dear said “Obama was ruining the country and needed to be impeached.”
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moespree : 11/28/2015 1:38 pm : link
In comment 12647256 mrvax said:
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The point I was trying to make is that it pisses me off when someone who claims to be a Christian goes out and commits a horrific crime that flies directly against the teachings of the Person they claim to follow.


The Old Testament is part of the holy book of the religion the person claims to follow is it not?
RE: From the above Buzz Feed:  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/28/2015 1:41 pm : link
In comment 12647318 natefit said:
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Post said he once went to Dear’s home to retrieve two dogs that had gotten loose. “We were there for a minute and the guy was already handing us anti-Obama pamphlets,” he said. According to Post, Dear said “Obama was ruining the country and needed to be impeached.”


He voted as a woman. This may be only case of voter fraud committed by an anti Obama voter.
RE: RE: RE: If the perp is a  
aquidneck : 11/28/2015 6:04 pm : link
In comment 12647256 mrvax said:
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This guy might very well be mentally ill, and that might even be the proximate cause of his actions, but I would point out that a true Christian Fundamentalist wouldn't just be taking the New Testament into account when weighing the morality of a given action.



The point I was trying to make is that it pisses me off when someone who claims to be a Christian goes out and commits a horrific crime that flies directly against the teachings of the Person they claim to follow.


Religion, as the fundamentalists will tell you, is about having a personal relationship with God.

And, if God speaks to someone, how do distinguish that from batshit crazy? There are 7 billion individuals on this planet. God might say anything to any one of them at any given moment.

Point being, there is no religious test for sanity.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If the perp is a  
BlackLight : 11/28/2015 6:28 pm : link
In comment 12647512 aquidneck said:
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In comment 12647256 mrvax said:


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In comment 12647254 BlackLight said:


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This guy might very well be mentally ill, and that might even be the proximate cause of his actions, but I would point out that a true Christian Fundamentalist wouldn't just be taking the New Testament into account when weighing the morality of a given action.



The point I was trying to make is that it pisses me off when someone who claims to be a Christian goes out and commits a horrific crime that flies directly against the teachings of the Person they claim to follow.



Religion, as the fundamentalists will tell you, is about having a personal relationship with God.

And, if God speaks to someone, how do distinguish that from batshit crazy? There are 7 billion individuals on this planet. God might say anything to any one of them at any given moment.

Point being, there is no religious test for sanity.


Moderate and liberal Christians also claim to have a relationship with God. In fact, often, that relationship is considered central to their religious convictions, and it allows them to ignore the sillier and crazier elements of Christianity, while still calling themselves Christians.
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aquidneck : 11/28/2015 6:42 pm : link
In comment 12647536 BlackLight said:
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In comment 12647256 mrvax said:


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In comment 12647254 BlackLight said:


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This guy might very well be mentally ill, and that might even be the proximate cause of his actions, but I would point out that a true Christian Fundamentalist wouldn't just be taking the New Testament into account when weighing the morality of a given action.



The point I was trying to make is that it pisses me off when someone who claims to be a Christian goes out and commits a horrific crime that flies directly against the teachings of the Person they claim to follow.



Religion, as the fundamentalists will tell you, is about having a personal relationship with God.

And, if God speaks to someone, how do distinguish that from batshit crazy? There are 7 billion individuals on this planet. God might say anything to any one of them at any given moment.

Point being, there is no religious test for sanity.



Moderate and liberal Christians also claim to have a relationship with God. In fact, often, that relationship is considered central to their religious convictions, and it allows them to ignore the sillier and crazier elements of Christianity, while still calling themselves Christians.


Of course. Everyone gets to have a personal relationship with God. Everyone from every relious tradition, sect and mental condition. That's my point.
RE: RE: RE: How do you know he's a  
ed90631 : 11/28/2015 8:05 pm : link
In comment 12646882 Mike in Philly said:
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white Christian fundamentalist? I'm watching the news and they have not given out any information on the shooter. They aren't even sure if PP was the target or just where he wound up.



I'm sure he just "wound up" at Planned Parenthood.


You're not sure of anything because local, state and federal law enforcement on the scene aren't sure of the details.

You may be right, but then again you may be completely off base...
But it just makes no sense to be sensible about something when its fits one's perverted narrative so well. Never let the truth intervene when irrational speculation can serve your cause so well.
A leak, not official ...  
sphinx : 11/28/2015 9:14 pm : link
In one statement, made after the suspect was taken in for questioning, Dear said "no more baby parts" in reference to Planned Parenthood, according to two law enforcement sources with knowledge of the case.

But the sources stressed that Dear said many things to law enforcement and the extent to which the "baby parts" remark played into any decision to target the Planned Parenthood office was not yet clear. He also mentioned President Barack Obama in statements.


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And another leak ...  
sphinx : 11/28/2015 9:18 pm : link
The gunman suspected of storming a Planned Parenthood clinic and killing a police officer and two others told the officers who arrested him “no more baby parts,’’ after being taken into custody, according to a law enforcement official.

The attack on the clinic was “definitely politically motivated,’’ the official — who has been briefed on the investigation and spoke on condition of anonymity because it is still unfolding — told The Washington Post. NBC News, which first reported the comment attributed to suspect Robert Lewis Dear, said Dear also mentioned President Obama in a range of statements to investigators that left unclear his precise motivation in targeting the clinic.


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More 'sources'  
sphinx : 11/28/2015 9:23 pm : link
The source told CBS News justice and homeland security correspondent Jeff Pegues that as Robert Lewis Dear was being taken into custody after a five-hour standoff he said "no more baby parts."

Dear, 57, was being held without bond at the El Paso County Jail. He was expected to make his first court appearance Monday.

The source said Dear has been cooperating with investigators since he was arrested. But throughout the interrogation, sources said Dear has been behaving erratically.

In addition, investigators have interviewed the suspect's family members, who have described him as "weird" and "unpredictable."

Sources also said the long rifle Dear allegedly used Friday wasn't the only weapon he had with him and that Dear took several guns and ammunition to the scene as well.

Law enforcement sources also said there were propane tanks outside his car. Investigators believe his intent was to fire on the propane tanks to spark an explosion, which in the end he was not able to do.


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