Are the Eagles done?

I'd have to say they're done.

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From a Giants biased SportsCenter segment intro...

Boo yah!

I'm not sure they win another game.

They've quit on their coach.

I never write off until they are mathematically dead and buried.

several weeks back. The reality is Philly is going to lose at New England and to the Cardinals. That will bring them to 9 losses. If the Giants win on Sunday (giving them a tie breaker), they might only need 8 to clinch this thing.

I can only hope the Giants realize how huge this game is for them on Sunday.

they will play the Giants as if their lives depend on it. Otherwise, they look pretty bad.

Sanchez didn't seem to be quite as bad with the Jets as he seems to be now. Maybe Chip's offense is to blame? Sanchez was an "average" never to be great QB. Now he quite frankly sucks.

I was assured they'd be 7-4 right now. How could they lose the Miami and Tampa?

In comment 12646983 mrvax said:

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they will play the Giants as if their lives depend on it. Otherwise, they look pretty bad. Sanchez didn't seem to be quite as bad with the Jets as he seems to be now. Maybe Chip's offense is to blame? Sanchez was an "average" never to be great QB. Now he quite frankly sucks.

Sanchez is the same guy, but they run so many plays that it's just more chances for him to have a killer turnover. Just like with the Jets. And the sam has quit around him. They're done, but I smell a very close game against the Pats.

....so yeah, I am gonna say that they are done.

It's even bigger for the Redskins. This is virtually an elimination game for them but also a golden opportunity because they have the easiest schedule by far of any NFC East team. Beat the Giants and they are very much in play for the division title.

and then Shady will bury him the next week. I'm sure he's had this one circled on his calendar the day he got traded to Buffalo.

They're going to have a long time to think about their back-to-back humiliations. It would be very like an NFL team to rise up and play better. But if Kelly has really lost the locker room, they could easily be blown out again, and then it's going to get ugly.

between 11/13/11 and 12/18/11 the Giants lost 5 of 6 games. 2 of the losses were divisional losses at home and all 5 were in the conference. That is an amazingly bad stretch at a crucial juncture late in the season, yet they won the Super Bowl.

I don't think the Eagles are made of the same stuff as that Giants team, but until they're dead and buried I'll assume nothing.

In comment 12647019 Go Terps said:

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between 11/13/11 and 12/18/11 the Giants lost 5 of 6 games. 2 of the losses were divisional losses at home and all 5 were in the conference. That is an amazingly bad stretch at a crucial juncture late in the season, yet they won the Super Bowl. I don't think the Eagles are made of the same stuff as that Giants team, but until they're dead and buried I'll assume nothing.

good point! Not dead until the fat lady sings!

The whole division is one win away from making a run with the possible exception of Washington who has started a winning streak. The Giants are the key to the division, if they beat Washington and get on a winning streak, they start to bury other teams in the division by setting the bar slightly higher.

The whole division is one win away from making a run with the possible exception of Washington who has started a winning streak. The Giants are the key to the division, if they beat Washington and get on a winning streak, they start to bury other teams in the division by setting the bar slightly higher.

There's an arrogance with Chip that dis respects the system. Getting rid of Jackson without even trying for a draft pick said it all and it said it early on. I am reminded of the coach who sent his defensive after Eli when he was taking a knee. Comptemt for the league and the way of doing things.
Once CHip's offense gets bad and they're getting three and outs that take up 20 seconds and send an exhausted defense back out...they were done.
Now report after report makes it sound like Murray is lying down on him and tripping over grass and sliding like a QB...that tells it all too.
Funny thing is I wrote all that in preseason and then saw them in Preseason and thought they looked great.
Chip's system is flawed, he didn't understand teh fragility of the Professional. Run more plays than the opposition in game after game and you suffer for it. Run five basic plays in the pros and they catch on.
I don't think they win a game the rest of the way and we beat the heck out of them at the end.

In all likelihood, yes.

Giants started the season 6-2 and went into the week 11 bye week at 6-4. The Redskins seemed dead in the water with a 4-6 record at the same point in the season having lost 3 of their last 4 games.

The Redskins played and beat the Giants in week 13 and went on a tear to finish the season and win the division. Meanwhile the Giants blew a couple of games that they were favored win down the stretch and ended up missing the playoffs altogether.

It doesn't look good at all for the Eagles or Redskins right now, but we've seen crazier things happen in recent history. This division could still likely come down to what happens in Week 17.

I've been told that as long as you're playing a meaningful game in December, then it's successful season. so far, it looks like all NFC east teams are having a successful season.

In this division, it's not over til the fat lady sings.

Put a fork in them. We win Sunday, we lock up the East. Nobody but us is finishing above .500

this division is horrible and other than Dallas, anything can happen still.

In comment 12646979 Matt in SGS said:

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several weeks back. The reality is Philly is going to lose at New England and to the Cardinals. That will bring them to 9 losses. If the Giants win on Sunday (giving them a tie breaker), they might only need 8 to clinch this thing. I can only hope the Giants realize how huge this game is for them on Sunday.

And knowing the history of the giants, they're more than likely make things harder than they should be in situations like these. Giants make you say wtf?

The Morning Call, I live in the Lehigh Valley, writes and I quote "the biggest mystery about this whole collapse is how smart a man as Kelly- and he is brilliant, despite all this stunning evidence to the contrary- could have allowed this to happen.

What he is referring to is Kelly's system and how if it gets shut down as it often does puts so much pressure on his defense. You see it game in and game out. The columnist goes on to say instead of trying to slow things down Kelly's philosophy to fix the problem is speed things up.

Does this sound like a brilliant tactition? He spends his whole column tearing down everything the guy stands for and how it does not work at the NFL level and through rose colored states his brilliance. If the guy was so brilliant and innovative he would find a way to make his system work at the NFL level.

This isn't college. This is the NFL. You run the same basic plays game in and game out the league will conspire against you and shut you down. Hie philosophy is to run as many plays as you can to catch the defense out of position and not allow them to substitute. His quarterbacks have no time at the line to change the play if the defense is the right one for that play. Plus he runs the same 5 or 6 plays all game long.

He's brilliant alright. He's also stupid if he doesn't try to adapt to what he NFL has already done. Figured out how to shut his offense down.

deal with USC or Texas. Or maybe even LSU. Rumors are that they are trying to run Les Miles out of town.

And predicted they would be 7-4 after beating the Cowboys, but the Eagles are as done as done can be. To get outscored 90-28 by the Bucs and Lions is just a terrible job. if we win tomorrow, we would really have to mess this thing up not to win the division. We have 5 games left after tomorrow and only one of them is against a team we shouldn't beat, and that is the Panthers. We can certainly lose to the Vikings and it is not an easy game, but we could win that one, too. Jets and Philly are going the wrong way and Miami is a bad football team. If we can't get to 8 with that schedule, than shame on us

if his offense has the guys to run it, it works incredibly well and puts points on the board. And that does create pressure on other defenses, but also plenty on his own. But, if the defense allows field goals and not touchdowns (hasn't happened recently), you'd win a lot of games.

It almost reminds me of those Colts team with Peyton Manning, really in his prime. They could almost score at will, and his defense could play well enough to just get a win. But, if the offense isn't working, that creates a ton of pressure on the defense that probably can't handle it.

Really, Chip in the GM role has failed Chip the coach. But, he's unlikely to strip himself of that power, which is why people believe he's out.

I don't think the two are the same at all. It's just that the Colts defenses weren't that good period. Manning ran the offense from the line of scrimmage and made all the adjustments he needed when he saw what the defense was giving him. While it was a no huddle offense it wasn't a hurry up run it at break neck speed like Chip Kelly employs. They could score at will and sometimes it happened fast but it also knew how to slow things down and milk the clock while still being able to score.

2006: Coughlin's gone, "book it."

2009: Coughlin's lost this team. there will be a carry over..

2013-2014: It's time to clean house. Make the playoffs in 2015 or TC's gone..TBD

I've heard this shit too often..It sells papers or results in clicks..

We shall see..Again.

Are they that much worse a team without Bradford?

In comment 12647132 AnyoneButPhilly said:

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Are they that much worse a team without Bradford?

Yes but now several Eagles players have just quit on Kelly. I expect the Giants to beat Philly next time around by two scores.

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...that doesn't mean they aren't a threat to us in Week 17 if we don't have the division sown up. They'd like nothing more than to piss in our cheerios given half a chance. Recent history shows that is exactly what they are capable of doing if we don't come out and step on their necks.

If Washington wins I think they are only a game out with games against NYG and Washington.

In comment 12647019 Go Terps said:

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between 11/13/11 and 12/18/11 the Giants lost 5 of 6 games. 2 of the losses were divisional losses at home and all 5 were in the conference. That is an amazingly bad stretch at a crucial juncture late in the season, yet they won the Super Bowl. I don't think the Eagles are made of the same stuff as that Giants team, but until they're dead and buried I'll assume nothing.

I don't think the Giants' stretch of 1-5 over 6 games was remotely akin to the Eagles' last two loses. So IMO that's a lousy analogy, or at least a very poorly thought out one, for so many reasons I really don't want to get into the details. Two simple points I will mention are that the Giants lost to some of the best teams in the league during that "bad" stretch, including the 9ers and Packers whom they later beat in the playoffs. Also in the past 2 Eagles' loses the total margin of defeat was considerably more than the margin of defeat in all 5 Giants' loses in 2011.

I get your point Terps, but don't think that was a relevant example of how the NFL can surprise.

The announcers are calling out Jason Peters for not wanting to go back into the game. Kelly has them practice when other teams are off. They also have to deal with sleep monitors and diets from the team. I would be shocked if the team suddenly starts playing for him again. Once the dictator loses the team, they are gone.

Because we can't take care of our fucking business, these asswipes may end up winning the division. Holy shit.

In comment 12651101 Eric from BBI said:

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Because we can't take care of our fucking business, these asswipes may end up winning the division. Holy shit.

Let them win a game first. They have a number of players that have flat out quit on the season...

Yup, but someone has to win it. They have as good a shot as us or the Skins at this point. Hell, Dallas isn't really out if yet.

Can you imagine the reaction on BBI if the Eagles or Cowboys win the NFC East?

In comment 12651131 Eric from BBI said:

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Yup, but someone has to win it. They have as good a shot as us or the Skins at this point. Hell, Dallas isn't really out if yet. Can you imagine the reaction on BBI if the Eagles or Cowboys win the NFC East?

I'll be the first one in the bell tower with a bolt action! But it's not happening. I still think we stumble our way to the division title. What a miserable division.

it's a meaningful December. all is good.