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SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/28/2015 6:56 pm
ND wins, OU loses...things might get interesting.

But the Irish need to take care of business. Go Irish!
I Was Surprised to Hear...  
Jim in Tampa : 11/28/2015 7:24 pm : link
That OK might get in over ND even if ND beats Stanford. One loss on the road against the #1 team still doesn't get you in the top 4?
Players to watch for draft  
superspynyg : 11/28/2015 7:29 pm : link
ND Lber Jaylon Smith and Stanford rb/kr MCCaffrey (letter rounds).
RE: I Was Surprised to Hear...  
superspynyg : 11/28/2015 7:30 pm : link
In comment 12647587 Jim in Tampa said:
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That OK might get in over ND even if ND beats Stanford. One loss on the road against the #1 team still doesn't get you in the top 4?


They beat Baylor, TCU and Maybe OK State (play tonight).
ND not having a conference championship  
B in ALB : 11/28/2015 7:31 pm : link
works against them according to the selection committee standards. As it should.
Joe Schmidt  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 7:37 pm : link
is awful. Get him off the field
Oklahoma and OSU  
shyster : 11/28/2015 7:41 pm : link
come into tonight with the same 10-1 record. And OSU's loss is to a better Big 12 team (Baylor vs Texas for Oklahoma).

So why is Oklahoma ranked #3 and OSU #11. Why might OSU not get into top 4 with a win tonight?

Because Oklahoma scheduled Tennessee as an out of conference game while OSU played nobody.

Tennessee isn't a particularly good team but the SEC runs the rankings show and places a high value on its own teams.
I dont understand  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 7:42 pm : link
why not having a conference championship should hurt ND when comparing against B12, they have played a more difficult schedule than they would have if they were in the b12. Isn't that what should matter?
how in the world  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 7:43 pm : link
did they not review that. He was a full yard short by the time he got his feet down
LOL.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/28/2015 7:47 pm : link
How is that a TD?
How the hell did they miss that offsides call???  
speedywheels : 11/28/2015 7:47 pm : link
He hit the OL!!
Very  
AcidTest : 11/28/2015 7:49 pm : link
impressive drive by Stanford.
An  
AcidTest : 11/28/2015 7:53 pm : link
even more impressive response by ND.
that was a nice return  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 7:53 pm : link
but that was also an awful kick.
Wow. Untouched..  
speedywheels : 11/28/2015 7:53 pm : link
..
IRISH  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/28/2015 7:54 pm : link
!
I wouldn't say that's more impressive  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/28/2015 7:54 pm : link
Than a drive but I'm rooting for Stanford
ND DL getting pushed around early  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/28/2015 7:57 pm : link
not a good sign.
That's a catch  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/28/2015 8:01 pm : link
.
McCaffrey seems destined to play for the Pats when his collegiate  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/28/2015 8:04 pm : link
career is up. He's Edelman 2.0.
Joe Schmidt  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 8:07 pm : link
is on his ass on 90% of plays. Infuriating
At least they called that offsides  
speedywheels : 11/28/2015 8:09 pm : link
...
Cajuste just played that cb like it was basketball  
micky : 11/28/2015 8:13 pm : link
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The ND defense  
seanr : 11/28/2015 8:14 pm : link
Is garbage. Line get annihilated consistently
RE: Oklahoma and OSU  
TexasGmenFan : 11/28/2015 8:14 pm : link
In comment 12647609 shyster said:
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come into tonight with the same 10-1 record. And OSU's loss is to a better Big 12 team (Baylor vs Texas for Oklahoma).

So why is Oklahoma ranked #3 and OSU #11. Why might OSU not get into top 4 with a win tonight?

Because Oklahoma scheduled Tennessee as an out of conference game while OSU played nobody.

Tennessee isn't a particularly good team but the SEC runs the rankings show and places a high value on its own teams.


you've hit the nail on the head for one of my biggest complaints about CFB in general (even with the playoff)...many times it seems like it doesn't matter who you lose to or how you lose, but only *when* you lose...

put pretty clearly, OU's L came much earlier than OSU's so they were afforded the chance to make ground back up.

i think its absurd and always have.
This is looking like a Big 12 game so far  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/28/2015 8:16 pm : link
Each team getting 5-10 yards a pop.
would have been nice  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 8:22 pm : link
to get the gift spot to turn a 4th down into a 1st down like Stanford got on 1st drive
Kizer  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 8:25 pm : link
also can't get gunshy, he had Brown wide open for a touchdown and pulled it to run on 1st down
These officials might as well be wearing  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/28/2015 8:31 pm : link
Stanford jerseys.
ND shredding Stanford's defense  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 8:43 pm : link
like they don't exist with a backup QB and a 3rd string tailback
48  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 8:45 pm : link
never even remotely came close to getting back onsides and they somehow didn't call it. His entire body was in the neutral zone.
that tackle  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 8:50 pm : link
should be shown to young kids everywhere. Absolutely perfect
Fuller  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 8:51 pm : link
runs by corners like they're standing still
RE: Fuller  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 8:52 pm : link
In comment 12647679 MookGiants said:
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runs by corners like they're standing still


Don't know how we'll pull this off but would love to pair up Fuller with Odell
Fuller could change his mind  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 8:54 pm : link
but he already said he's coming back for senior year a couple weeks ago
that's just pathetic  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 8:55 pm : link
defense to let him run by you, he's not fast
RE: Fuller could change his mind  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 8:56 pm : link
In comment 12647681 MookGiants said:
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but he already said he's coming back for senior year a couple weeks ago


Well I hope that he changes his mind if there is a chance we can draft him because Odell + Fuller would murder most teams
pathetic  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 8:56 pm : link
Against this trash bag QB that is Kevin Hogan. Make a fucking tackle
mind numbing  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:01 pm : link
throw it away.
Kizer  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/28/2015 9:02 pm : link
Another turnover.
pissing away  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:03 pm : link
scoring opportunities with just mind numbing self inflicted shit like they did against Clemson. All he has to do is throw the ball through the back of the endzone
After that Kizer long run I turned to my brother in law and said  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/28/2015 9:04 pm : link
that he better not do anything stupid. SOB
they've  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:06 pm : link
pissed away at least 7 points with 2 dumb plays. At least not as bad as clemson game yet, where they left about 4 touchdowns on the board through their own stupidity
yet another self inflicted wound  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:30 pm : link
wide open for a touchdown and he drops it
now 11 points  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:31 pm : link
just completely pissed away.
ND defense needs a 3 and out.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/28/2015 9:33 pm : link
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even if ND wins  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:36 pm : link
it's not going to matter because somehow some dumb fucks will look at Oklahoma's resume and think its better than ND's. Yet they will fail to realize the Big 12 sucks balls and they never play anyone out of conference so they always wind up with 3 teams in contention in the end. Somehow TCU against a backup QB and winning by 1 is a quality win. OK State sucks balls but they will be looked at as a quality win.

ND loses by 2 in a monsoon to the #1 team in the country on the road and somehow Oklahoma with a loss to an awful Texas team on a neutral field will get in over them if both of these scores hold true
USC  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:39 pm : link
is a better win than either TCU or OK State, but somehow it wont be looked at that way.

ND could easily lose this game and make this a moot point, but it still makes my blood boil
letting slow  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:40 pm : link
as shit wide receivers run by you is pathetic
Oklahoma walloping Ok St 35-10  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 9:40 pm : link
in Stillwater
RE: USC  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 9:41 pm : link
In comment 12647736 MookGiants said:
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is a better win than either TCU or OK State, but somehow it wont be looked at that way.

ND could easily lose this game and make this a moot point, but it still makes my blood boil


Better than Ok State maybe but not TCU
TCU  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:42 pm : link
without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.
TCU without Boykin  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:43 pm : link
for most of the game beat Kansas by 7 at home.

The fact that they count that as a top win is a fucking joke
RE: TCU  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 9:44 pm : link
In comment 12647742 MookGiants said:
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without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.


Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.

Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.

That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's
But if we're comparing USC and TCU  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 9:45 pm : link
I think USC is soft and TCU is tough
RE: RE: TCU  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:46 pm : link
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without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.



Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.

Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.

That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's


Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?
Simple  
The 12th Man : 11/28/2015 9:46 pm : link
Notre Dame is not the the 6th best team in the country. If ND played the Sooners, Sooners beat them by 2 TD's
RE: RE: RE: TCU  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 9:47 pm : link
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without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.



Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.

Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.

That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's



Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?


And they beat Baylor in a rainstorm with Boykin on one leg who had no business playing and no Doctson. That takes some guts. USC would never win that game
RE: Simple  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:47 pm : link
In comment 12647748 The 12th Man said:
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Notre Dame is not the the 6th best team in the country. If ND played the Sooners, Sooners beat them by 2 TD's


Yes, it's simple.

Never mind that they had one common opponent this year and ND won by 35 and they lost. But hey, great stuff 12th man!

RE: RE: RE: RE: TCU  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:48 pm : link
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without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.



Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.

Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.

That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's



Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?



And they beat Baylor in a rainstorm with Boykin on one leg who had no business playing and no Doctson. That takes some guts. USC would never win that game


Baylor playing with their 3rd string QB who is a converted WR from earlier this year. Seriously, put the bottle down. That didn't take guts. The weather was so bad no one was going to run away with that game.

USC couldn't beat a 3rd string QB who used to be a WR? That's pretty funny
I guess  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:50 pm : link
they must have forgot how tough minded they were and how much guts they had when they were pissing away a 3 touchdown 4th quarter lead last year.

That win last night didn't take guts. Both teams played for overtime basically the entire 2nd half. It takes guts to run the ball into the line 3 times on every drive for an entire half?
And I think ND would belong in over OU  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 9:51 pm : link
should they both finish 11-1. But TCU is definitely a top team...look at Patterson's track record
RE: RE: Simple  
The 12th Man : 11/28/2015 9:51 pm : link
In comment 12647751 MookGiants said:
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Notre Dame is not the the 6th best team in the country. If ND played the Sooners, Sooners beat them by 2 TD's



Yes, it's simple.

Never mind that they had one common opponent this year and ND won by 35 and they lost. But hey, great stuff 12th man!


Wow 1 common opponent! Just Give ND the the College Championship. Sooners played 1 bad game all year. It happens, so did Alabama. Either of those 2 teams beat ND going away. Clemson may be the #1 school in the country to me Bama right now is the best in the country.
RE: And I think ND would belong in over OU  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:51 pm : link
In comment 12647758 dpinzow said:
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should they both finish 11-1. But TCU is definitely a top team...look at Patterson's track record


TCU without Boykin is not a top team. Their is no argument whatsoever to be made for that. Look at the Kansas game.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: TCU  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 9:52 pm : link
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without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.



Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.

Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.

That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's



Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?



And they beat Baylor in a rainstorm with Boykin on one leg who had no business playing and no Doctson. That takes some guts. USC would never win that game



Baylor playing with their 3rd string QB who is a converted WR from earlier this year. Seriously, put the bottle down. That didn't take guts. The weather was so bad no one was going to run away with that game.

USC couldn't beat a 3rd string QB who used to be a WR? That's pretty funny


USC would fold their tent and give up the moment they saw that weather. They're soft
RE: RE: RE: Simple  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:53 pm : link
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Notre Dame is not the the 6th best team in the country. If ND played the Sooners, Sooners beat them by 2 TD's



Yes, it's simple.

Never mind that they had one common opponent this year and ND won by 35 and they lost. But hey, great stuff 12th man!




Wow 1 common opponent! Just Give ND the the College Championship. Sooners played 1 bad game all year. It happens, so did Alabama. Either of those 2 teams beat ND going away. Clemson may be the #1 school in the country to me Bama right now is the best in the country.


If you don't want to use that to separate them then what exactly do you want to use? Their top wins are against Baylor playing with a backup true freshman QB, and TCU without their 2 best players. Congrats?

Just compare the resumes. How do you use anything besides the Texas game to separate the 2?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: TCU  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:54 pm : link
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without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.



Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.

Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.

That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's



Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?



And they beat Baylor in a rainstorm with Boykin on one leg who had no business playing and no Doctson. That takes some guts. USC would never win that game



Baylor playing with their 3rd string QB who is a converted WR from earlier this year. Seriously, put the bottle down. That didn't take guts. The weather was so bad no one was going to run away with that game.

USC couldn't beat a 3rd string QB who used to be a WR? That's pretty funny



USC would fold their tent and give up the moment they saw that weather. They're soft


USC couldn't put 10 guys in the box and run the ball into the line 3 times? Because thats all both teams did for an entire half of football. That doesn't take anything to do. Guys couldn't cut so it was not difficult at all to play defense
Kelly has ridiculous talent  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 9:55 pm : link
That's a 3rd string RB who just broke it
Kelly  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:56 pm : link
didn't learn his lesson apparently
They seem to be doing  
The 12th Man : 11/28/2015 9:56 pm : link
just fine tonight to me against a solid opponent and their biggest rival.
Don't like going for 2 there  
Sean : 11/28/2015 9:56 pm : link
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29-28 with 20 minutes to go  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 9:56 pm : link
and he's already chasing points. It's so ridiculously dumb.
crazy chasing points still in 3rd qtr  
micky : 11/28/2015 9:57 pm : link
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Look Notre Dame is good  
The 12th Man : 11/28/2015 9:58 pm : link
just not top 6 to me.
RE: 29-28 with 20 minutes to go  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/28/2015 9:59 pm : link
In comment 12647773 MookGiants said:
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and he's already chasing points. It's so ridiculously dumb.


If he says after the game "the chart said to go for 2", I will kill him.
RE: They seem to be doing  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 10:00 pm : link
In comment 12647771 The 12th Man said:
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just fine tonight to me against a solid opponent and their biggest rival.


OK State is OK, but they aren't anything special. They, like the rest of the big 12, never plays anyone OOC so they all pad their records and have a bunch of teams in it at the end.

Serious question, if you can't use the Texas game to separate them, what are you using? If ND wins this game they will have wins against 4 top 25 teams, and none of the 4 came against the backup QB, two of Oklahomas will have. SOS very close, top wins very close. So then you get down to the 1 loss, and ND's is against the #1 team by 2 in a monsoon, and Oklahomas is to a Texas team who ND beat by 35. I just don't understand how you get over that.
RE: Simple  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/28/2015 10:00 pm : link
In comment 12647748 The 12th Man said:
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Notre Dame is not the the 6th best team in the country. If ND played the Sooners, Sooners beat them by 2 TD's


You can't rank teams based off of hypothetical guesses. If you go that rout then who is to say Ohio St wouldn't best the Sooners by 2TDs based off of their romping of Michigan today. And if that's the case then they should be in over them.
Go Cardinal  
Peter in Atl : 11/28/2015 10:00 pm : link
!
RE: Look Notre Dame is good  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 10:01 pm : link
In comment 12647776 The 12th Man said:
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just not top 6 to me.


Ok, that's your opinion.

But look at the resumes, and back up your opinion with actual facts of what happened, not just oh they would win by 2 td's. I have no idea if ND would beat them or not, but I can look at their resume and realize that they're close in everything except for the 1 loss. That's literally the only thing that separates the 2 resumes.
This game reminds me of  
The 12th Man : 11/28/2015 10:01 pm : link
Giants vs. Saints no D to be found by either team.
At this point  
dep026 : 11/28/2015 10:02 pm : link
you need an 8 team playoff.

5 slots go to the power 5 conference winners.
3 wild cards

This year is would look like

Clemson
Alabama
Michigan State
Oklahoma
Pac 12 winner
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Florida State?

Looks legit to me.
receiver pushes off...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/28/2015 10:03 pm : link
defensive pass interference???????????????????
That is not PI  
The 12th Man : 11/28/2015 10:03 pm : link
to me.
and conference champion  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 10:04 pm : link
is meaningless to me. I know it's not to the committee, which is incredibly dumb. ND will have played every bit as difficult of a schedule and neither one has a conference title game. So who gives a shit about that
RE: RE: RE: Simple  
BigBlueShock : 11/28/2015 10:04 pm : link
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Notre Dame is not the the 6th best team in the country. If ND played the Sooners, Sooners beat them by 2 TD's



Yes, it's simple.

Never mind that they had one common opponent this year and ND won by 35 and they lost. But hey, great stuff 12th man!




Wow 1 common opponent! Just Give ND the the College Championship. Sooners played 1 bad game all year. It happens, so did Alabama. Either of those 2 teams beat ND going away. Clemson may be the #1 school in the country to me Bama right now is the best in the country.

Didn't Oklahoma lose to Clemson in the Citrus Bowl just last year 40-6? Not the exact same teams, I know, but pretty close. ND lost to Clemson by 2 AT Clemson, not on a neutral field. ND beat Texas by 35 and Texas beat Oklahoma. In any way shape or form that these teams can possibly be compared, Notre Dame comes out on top. There is virtually no evidence whatsoever that Oklahoma is the better team.
RE: and conference champion  
Peter in Atl : 11/28/2015 10:05 pm : link
In comment 12647790 MookGiants said:
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is meaningless to me. I know it's not to the committee, which is incredibly dumb. ND will have played every bit as difficult of a schedule and neither one has a conference title game. So who gives a shit about that


Of course conference champion is meaningless to you. You're an ND fan.
RE: At this point  
The 12th Man : 11/28/2015 10:07 pm : link
In comment 12647785 dep026 said:
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you need an 8 team playoff.

5 slots go to the power 5 conference winners.
3 wild cards

This year is would look like

Clemson
Alabama
Michigan State
Oklahoma
Pac 12 winner
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Florida State?

Looks legit to me.


I could live with that, maybe not in that order. Iowa needs to be in the top 8. I understand their schedule has been soft but the winner of MSU should be 3 and loser be top 8
RE: RE: and conference champion  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 10:08 pm : link
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is meaningless to me. I know it's not to the committee, which is incredibly dumb. ND will have played every bit as difficult of a schedule and neither one has a conference title game. So who gives a shit about that



Of course conference champion is meaningless to you. You're an ND fan.


Conference champ with a championship game is meaningful. One without means nothing.
Who knew Drue Tranquill would be the most irreplaceable player?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/28/2015 10:10 pm : link
Redfield and Shumate are horrendous.
This  
shyster : 11/28/2015 10:12 pm : link
is a great game. Diversified offenses are fun to watch.

SEC should be embarrassed that a team as bad as Florida will be in the conference champs game.
RE: RE: At this point  
dep026 : 11/28/2015 10:14 pm : link
In comment 12647794 The 12th Man said:
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you need an 8 team playoff.

5 slots go to the power 5 conference winners.
3 wild cards

This year is would look like

Clemson
Alabama
Michigan State
Oklahoma
Pac 12 winner
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Florida State?

Looks legit to me.



I could live with that, maybe not in that order. Iowa needs to be in the top 8. I understand their schedule has been soft but the winner of MSU should be 3 and loser be top 8


I dont have Iowa up there because I believe they will lose next week. OSU is better than Iowa, IMO.
Why it's so dumb chasing points..  
Sean : 11/28/2015 10:15 pm : link
Stanford FG makes it a two score game.
RE: Why it's so dumb chasing points..  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 10:16 pm : link
In comment 12647801 Sean said:
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Stanford FG makes it a two score game.


Coaches shouldn't even consider going for 2 unless there's under 10 minutes to go in the game in college. Way too much shit happens in between there to start chasing points early
I don't understand why people post on  
bhill410 : 11/28/2015 10:18 pm : link
College football threads habitually and don't go out to their local alumni game watch or buddies place. It's college football on a Saturday - what more do you need
have always favored the 8-team format  
TexasGmenFan : 11/28/2015 10:20 pm : link
wonder if it will ever come to fruition...

in terms of comparing ND v. TEX and OU v. TEX...its meaningless. for whatever reason, committees etc. don't care about such things.

how else can you explain:

1. FLA getting to play for a national title the year their 1 L came to an unranked Ole Miss in the Swamp

2. the more damning one (from personal experience) was '08

UT, OU, and TTU all had 1 L.

a. UT beat OU by 10 on a *neutral field*
b. TTU beat UT by a point *in lubbock*
c. OU beat TTU by double digits *in norman*

and yet somehow, OU got to be ranked highest and then thus by tiebreaker took the big XII. fun fact, OU then got curb stomped in the national title game.

how UT doesn't win out in that scenario still boggles my mind 7 years later.
How do you not catch  
chopperhatch : 11/28/2015 10:25 pm : link
That?
So  
HeftyLefty : 11/28/2015 10:31 pm : link
So is ND only chance to get in if Bama loses to UF?
Stanford  
dep026 : 11/28/2015 10:32 pm : link
conservativeness is going to haunt them..
RE: So  
TexasGmenFan : 11/28/2015 10:33 pm : link
In comment 12647814 HeftyLefty said:
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So is ND only chance to get in if Bama loses to UF?


well ND is currently down tonight, so they should take care of that first :)

otherwise, don't be shocked to see the Tar Heels take out Clemson or MSU takes out Iowa.

lot of football left...
RE: RE: So  
HeftyLefty : 11/28/2015 10:35 pm : link
In comment 12647816 TexasGmenFan said:
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In comment 12647814 HeftyLefty said:


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So is ND only chance to get in if Bama loses to UF?



well ND is currently down tonight, so they should take care of that first :)

otherwise, don't be shocked to see the Tar Heels take out Clemson or MSU takes out Iowa.

lot of football left...


Yes I meant if ND won. Also MSU/Iowa winner is in/loser out.

Clemson if they lose may still be in.
RE: RE: RE: So  
TexasGmenFan : 11/28/2015 10:36 pm : link
In comment 12647817 HeftyLefty said:
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In comment 12647816 TexasGmenFan said:


Quote:


In comment 12647814 HeftyLefty said:


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So is ND only chance to get in if Bama loses to UF?



well ND is currently down tonight, so they should take care of that first :)

otherwise, don't be shocked to see the Tar Heels take out Clemson or MSU takes out Iowa.

lot of football left...



Yes I meant if ND won. Also MSU/Iowa winner is in/loser out.

Clemson if they lose may still be in.


could certainly see MSU getting in if they beat Iowa so that's true. i'd say absolutely NO to clemson if UNC beats them. that'd be pretty hard to justify...
Shaw has coached a pretty brutal 4th wuarter  
dep026 : 11/28/2015 10:42 pm : link
not sure why he kicked an extra point up 5. going conservative hurt them too.
oh boy .  
gtt350 : 11/28/2015 10:44 pm : link
,
more time off the clock  
gtt350 : 11/28/2015 10:46 pm : link
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Hopefully he is down  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2015 10:46 pm : link
Notre dame hired Giants clock management staff tonight and needs to be saved from itself. Embarrassing to watch
Wow  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/28/2015 10:47 pm : link
Stanford got hosed by the refs again
I agree.  
BlueHurricane : 11/28/2015 10:47 pm : link
No way that could be overturned based on those views when the guy standing right there called it a TD
Best result possible for stanford  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2015 10:48 pm : link
The timeout after the first down with 33 seconds left is one of the worst calls I've ever seen in my life
yep u know how this will end  
gtt350 : 11/28/2015 10:48 pm : link
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at least the clock started, not like the giant game  
gtt350 : 11/28/2015 10:50 pm : link
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fuck  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 10:50 pm : link
they have a sack and it turns into a facemask, ughh
Kelly called the timeout on first down?  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2015 10:51 pm : link
Or was it a player? If a coach called it he shouldn't get on the plane
RE: Hopefully he is down  
dep026 : 11/28/2015 10:51 pm : link
In comment 12647826 MetsAreBack said:
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Notre dame hired Giants clock management staff tonight and needs to be saved from itself. Embarrassing to watch


I thought Stanford was worse with clock management. I am not nor have I ever been impressed with Shaw. Dont see why he gets NFL love.
Game  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2015 10:52 pm : link
Thanks for the timeout coach
what a joke  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 10:53 pm : link
the only fucking guy you have to cover
Very simple  
The 12th Man : 11/28/2015 10:54 pm : link
No way was that a TD for ND. It may cost them. Could have ran th clock down further.
46 yarder in college no gimme  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2015 10:55 pm : link
But never should have come to this. Mind numbing - Mind numbing stupidity to call timeout with two timeouts the ball and the clock stopped at 33 seconds
ND is done  
Patrick77 : 11/28/2015 10:56 pm : link
Thank god.
Nothing but net.  
Peter in Atl : 11/28/2015 10:56 pm : link
.
Season on Kelly  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2015 10:56 pm : link
Speechless. Sports weekend from hell
Great game  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/28/2015 10:56 pm : link
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Enjoyed this  
Giants2012 : 11/28/2015 10:57 pm : link
:)
Typical ND lose.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/28/2015 10:57 pm : link
...
Mets  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/28/2015 10:57 pm : link
Seriously?
how does a field goal take 6 seconds  
gtt350 : 11/28/2015 10:58 pm : link
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RE: Season on Kelly  
Peter in Atl : 11/28/2015 10:58 pm : link
In comment 12647842 MetsAreBack said:
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Speechless. Sports weekend from hell


Really? Dallas and Philly get crushed and you call it that?
Somewhere...  
RC02XX : 11/28/2015 11:00 pm : link
Dubs is smiling. Miss that dude.
I never considered Dallas or philly threats  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2015 11:00 pm : link
. If the Giants can't win this sad ass division it's on them
Well that settles that  
The 12th Man : 11/28/2015 11:01 pm : link
No longer an issue of whether they should be in or out.
I hate Brian Kelly's 2 point conversion chart more than I hate ISIS.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/28/2015 11:01 pm : link
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RE: I never considered Dallas or philly threats  
Peter in Atl : 11/28/2015 11:02 pm : link
In comment 12647851 MetsAreBack said:
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. If the Giants can't win this sad ass division it's on them


HAHAHAHA! What a joke.
hell of a game  
micky : 11/28/2015 11:03 pm : link
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RE: how does a field goal take 6 seconds  
shyster : 11/28/2015 11:04 pm : link
In comment 12647847 gtt350 said:
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Ha ha. Ya know, one of the things about The Play is that the Stanford FG that should have won that game snapped with only :04 left. Yet somehow only 2 seconds went off the clock, leaving Cal time for its kickoff return through the Band.

Call it payback.
The question now is if they deserve a major bowl  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2015 11:04 pm : link
Whatever they call it now BCS bowl. I think they do - two last second losses against two likely conference champions on the road. They had a great year considering the injuries. Just a shame tonight was ruined by horrific clock management and I think the replay officials (pac 12?) missed an easy call of player being down at 1 foot line too. Odd.
Don't know if chasing points really made a difference or not  
micky : 11/28/2015 11:06 pm : link
but that's 1 point off the board. Maybe strategically handled different in closing minutes.
Florida  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/28/2015 11:06 pm : link
Is being embarrassed. What an ugly performance
RE: RE: I never considered Dallas or philly threats  
MetsAreBack : 11/28/2015 11:06 pm : link
In comment 12647854 Peter in Atl said:
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HAHAHAHA! What a joke.


I mean I recognize most here find you to be a sad joke but you were scared of 3-7 Dallas. Did you talk to your family on thanksgiving or were you chewing your nails the entire afternoon? So sad
RE: The question now is if they deserve a major bowl  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 11:07 pm : link
In comment 12647857 MetsAreBack said:
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Whatever they call it now BCS bowl. I think they do - two last second losses against two likely conference champions on the road. They had a great year considering the injuries. Just a shame tonight was ruined by horrific clock management and I think the replay officials (pac 12?) missed an easy call of player being down at 1 foot line too. Odd.


yes they deserve a New Years' 6 bowl, no question
I didn't have a problem with the timeout...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/28/2015 11:08 pm : link
Kizer has been known for brain farts and might as well get everyone settled down. Not having a timeout to use is what caused Kizer's first half brain fart.

- Kizer turnover
- Carlisle drop
- end of half Stanford TD drive
- Kelly's MORONIC decision to go for 2
- Rochell facemask

Hard to overcome all of that.
And by a New Year's 6 bowl ND deserves  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 11:09 pm : link
the Rose, Fiesta or Sugar
the gmen  
larryinnewhaven : 11/28/2015 11:10 pm : link
and nd have given me a decade worth of heartbreakers this year. Can't take many more of these
RE: I didn't have a problem with the timeout...  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/28/2015 11:12 pm : link
In comment 12647863 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Kizer has been known for brain farts and might as well get everyone settled down. Not having a timeout to use is what caused Kizer's first half brain fart.

- Kizer turnover
- Carlisle drop
- end of half Stanford TD drive
- Kelly's MORONIC decision to go for 2
- Rochell facemask

Hard to overcome all of that.


I don't think it was a bad TO either. They hadn't scored in the red zone all night.
ND probably goes to the Fiesta  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 11:13 pm : link
Rose is Big 10/Pac 12 so that's going to be the loser of the Big 10 championship game vs. Stanford (provided Stanford beats USC)

Sugar Bowl is Big 12/SEC so that is going to be Baylor/TCU vs. either Florida or Ole Miss

Think ND will see Ohio State in the Fiesta as long as the chalk holds (Clemson wins, Alabama wins)

always root against notre dame.  
madgiantscow009 : 11/28/2015 11:16 pm : link
No good reason to.
RE: I hate Brian Kelly's 2 point conversion chart more than I hate ISIS.  
B in ALB : 11/28/2015 11:17 pm : link
In comment 12647853 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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You're a Fucking idiot.
Incredibly entertaining game to watch.  
yatqb : 11/28/2015 11:18 pm : link
Like both teams; sorry someone had to lose.
RE: RE: I hate Brian Kelly's 2 point conversion chart more than I hate ISIS.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/28/2015 11:19 pm : link
In comment 12647874 B in ALB said:
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In comment 12647853 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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You're a Fucking idiot.


Fuck you jackass.
Hahaha  
B in ALB : 11/28/2015 11:21 pm : link
Comparing ISIS to a football game? Enjoy your loss, loser.
RE: Hahaha  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/28/2015 11:22 pm : link
In comment 12647877 B in ALB said:
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Comparing ISIS to a football game? Enjoy your loss, loser.


It's hyperbole... buy a dictionary.
Hyperbole? Haha. Ok.  
B in ALB : 11/28/2015 11:23 pm : link
Enjoy your loss, loser.
And I hope Clemson and Alabama both win  
dpinzow : 11/28/2015 11:25 pm : link
otherwise Ohio State will sneak back into the playoff. The rankings are going to look something like this:

1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. Oklahoma
4. Iowa
5. Michigan State
6. Ohio State
7. Stanford
8. Florida State
9. North Carolina
10. TCU

I'd imagine UNC would argue for a playoff spot if they beat Clemson. They'll have won 12 straight in that scenario, with their only loss to South Carolina (a bad loss, but it was the first week). The problem UNC faces is that their schedule is very weak, including their conference schedule (no game vs. FSU to help them)
if TCU  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 11:45 pm : link
is ranked ahead of ND in these rankings on tuesday they should remove every person on the committee on the spot.
and FSU  
MookGiants : 11/28/2015 11:46 pm : link
shouldn't be, either.
RE: Somewhere...  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 11/29/2015 2:36 am : link
In comment 12647850 RC02XX said:
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Dubs is smiling. Miss that dude.


Yeah, whatever happened to that guy?
Haven't seen a year with so many leads blown  
jeff57 : 11/29/2015 7:07 am : link
with so little time left on the clock. In both pros and college.
RE: RE: RE: I never considered Dallas or philly threats  
Peter in Atl : 11/29/2015 11:54 am : link
In comment 12647860 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 12647854 Peter in Atl said:


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HAHAHAHA! What a joke.



I mean I recognize most here find you to be a sad joke but you were scared of 3-7 Dallas. Did you talk to your family on thanksgiving or were you chewing your nails the entire afternoon? So sad


You're the dumbfuck who called this the "sports weekend from hell". As I pointed out, Dallas and Philadelphia were beaten badly. How a giants could say that at that point of the weekend is beyond me. ND losing just made it even better.
I'm with Peter on this one - Best sports weekend  
Patrick77 : 11/29/2015 12:22 pm : link
So long as the Giants win

It would be:

Giants win
Dallas loses
Philly loses
Washington loses
Hurricanes win
Notre Dame loses

I can't imagine a better weekend. Well I guess if Ohio state, FSU, Alabama, and NC, and clemson lost it would be even better but you can't have it all.
As I said, Dallas was never relevant  
MetsAreBack : 11/29/2015 12:43 pm : link
and probably gets a top 5 pick now.

Philly losing was fine but more than offset by Notre Dame's terrible loss (yet again my team can't manage a clock to save its life), and the Rangers losing 3x in regulation over a 4 day period.

Shitty sports weekend. Giants better salvage it today.
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