without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.
without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.
Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.
Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.
That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's
without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.
Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.
Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.
That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's
Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?
without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.
Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.
Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.
That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's
Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?
And they beat Baylor in a rainstorm with Boykin on one leg who had no business playing and no Doctson. That takes some guts. USC would never win that game
without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.
Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.
Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.
That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's
Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?
And they beat Baylor in a rainstorm with Boykin on one leg who had no business playing and no Doctson. That takes some guts. USC would never win that game
Baylor playing with their 3rd string QB who is a converted WR from earlier this year. Seriously, put the bottle down. That didn't take guts. The weather was so bad no one was going to run away with that game.
USC couldn't beat a 3rd string QB who used to be a WR? That's pretty funny
they must have forgot how tough minded they were and how much guts they had when they were pissing away a 3 touchdown 4th quarter lead last year.
That win last night didn't take guts. Both teams played for overtime basically the entire 2nd half. It takes guts to run the ball into the line 3 times on every drive for an entire half?
Notre Dame is not the the 6th best team in the country. If ND played the Sooners, Sooners beat them by 2 TD's
Yes, it's simple.
Never mind that they had one common opponent this year and ND won by 35 and they lost. But hey, great stuff 12th man!
Wow 1 common opponent! Just Give ND the the College Championship. Sooners played 1 bad game all year. It happens, so did Alabama. Either of those 2 teams beat ND going away. Clemson may be the #1 school in the country to me Bama right now is the best in the country.
without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.
Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.
Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.
That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's
Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?
And they beat Baylor in a rainstorm with Boykin on one leg who had no business playing and no Doctson. That takes some guts. USC would never win that game
Baylor playing with their 3rd string QB who is a converted WR from earlier this year. Seriously, put the bottle down. That didn't take guts. The weather was so bad no one was going to run away with that game.
USC couldn't beat a 3rd string QB who used to be a WR? That's pretty funny
USC would fold their tent and give up the moment they saw that weather. They're soft
Notre Dame is not the the 6th best team in the country. If ND played the Sooners, Sooners beat them by 2 TD's
Yes, it's simple.
Never mind that they had one common opponent this year and ND won by 35 and they lost. But hey, great stuff 12th man!
Wow 1 common opponent! Just Give ND the the College Championship. Sooners played 1 bad game all year. It happens, so did Alabama. Either of those 2 teams beat ND going away. Clemson may be the #1 school in the country to me Bama right now is the best in the country.
If you don't want to use that to separate them then what exactly do you want to use? Their top wins are against Baylor playing with a backup true freshman QB, and TCU without their 2 best players. Congrats?
Just compare the resumes. How do you use anything besides the Texas game to separate the 2?
without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.
Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.
Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.
That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's
Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?
And they beat Baylor in a rainstorm with Boykin on one leg who had no business playing and no Doctson. That takes some guts. USC would never win that game
Baylor playing with their 3rd string QB who is a converted WR from earlier this year. Seriously, put the bottle down. That didn't take guts. The weather was so bad no one was going to run away with that game.
USC couldn't beat a 3rd string QB who used to be a WR? That's pretty funny
USC would fold their tent and give up the moment they saw that weather. They're soft
USC couldn't put 10 guys in the box and run the ball into the line 3 times? Because thats all both teams did for an entire half of football. That doesn't take anything to do. Guys couldn't cut so it was not difficult at all to play defense
just fine tonight to me against a solid opponent and their biggest rival.
OK State is OK, but they aren't anything special. They, like the rest of the big 12, never plays anyone OOC so they all pad their records and have a bunch of teams in it at the end.
Serious question, if you can't use the Texas game to separate them, what are you using? If ND wins this game they will have wins against 4 top 25 teams, and none of the 4 came against the backup QB, two of Oklahomas will have. SOS very close, top wins very close. So then you get down to the 1 loss, and ND's is against the #1 team by 2 in a monsoon, and Oklahomas is to a Texas team who ND beat by 35. I just don't understand how you get over that.
Notre Dame is not the the 6th best team in the country. If ND played the Sooners, Sooners beat them by 2 TD's
You can't rank teams based off of hypothetical guesses. If you go that rout then who is to say Ohio St wouldn't best the Sooners by 2TDs based off of their romping of Michigan today. And if that's the case then they should be in over them.
But look at the resumes, and back up your opinion with actual facts of what happened, not just oh they would win by 2 td's. I have no idea if ND would beat them or not, but I can look at their resume and realize that they're close in everything except for the 1 loss. That's literally the only thing that separates the 2 resumes.
is meaningless to me. I know it's not to the committee, which is incredibly dumb. ND will have played every bit as difficult of a schedule and neither one has a conference title game. So who gives a shit about that
Notre Dame is not the the 6th best team in the country. If ND played the Sooners, Sooners beat them by 2 TD's
Yes, it's simple.
Never mind that they had one common opponent this year and ND won by 35 and they lost. But hey, great stuff 12th man!
Wow 1 common opponent! Just Give ND the the College Championship. Sooners played 1 bad game all year. It happens, so did Alabama. Either of those 2 teams beat ND going away. Clemson may be the #1 school in the country to me Bama right now is the best in the country.
Didn't Oklahoma lose to Clemson in the Citrus Bowl just last year 40-6? Not the exact same teams, I know, but pretty close. ND lost to Clemson by 2 AT Clemson, not on a neutral field. ND beat Texas by 35 and Texas beat Oklahoma. In any way shape or form that these teams can possibly be compared, Notre Dame comes out on top. There is virtually no evidence whatsoever that Oklahoma is the better team.
is meaningless to me. I know it's not to the committee, which is incredibly dumb. ND will have played every bit as difficult of a schedule and neither one has a conference title game. So who gives a shit about that
Of course conference champion is meaningless to you. You're an ND fan.
5 slots go to the power 5 conference winners.
3 wild cards
This year is would look like
Clemson
Alabama
Michigan State
Oklahoma
Pac 12 winner
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Florida State?
Looks legit to me.
I could live with that, maybe not in that order. Iowa needs to be in the top 8. I understand their schedule has been soft but the winner of MSU should be 3 and loser be top 8
is meaningless to me. I know it's not to the committee, which is incredibly dumb. ND will have played every bit as difficult of a schedule and neither one has a conference title game. So who gives a shit about that
Of course conference champion is meaningless to you. You're an ND fan.
Conference champ with a championship game is meaningful. One without means nothing.
Who knew Drue Tranquill would be the most irreplaceable player?
5 slots go to the power 5 conference winners.
3 wild cards
This year is would look like
Clemson
Alabama
Michigan State
Oklahoma
Pac 12 winner
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Florida State?
Looks legit to me.
I could live with that, maybe not in that order. Iowa needs to be in the top 8. I understand their schedule has been soft but the winner of MSU should be 3 and loser be top 8
I dont have Iowa up there because I believe they will lose next week. OSU is better than Iowa, IMO.
Coaches shouldn't even consider going for 2 unless there's under 10 minutes to go in the game in college. Way too much shit happens in between there to start chasing points early
College football threads habitually and don't go out to their local alumni game watch or buddies place. It's college football on a Saturday - what more do you need
in terms of comparing ND v. TEX and OU v. TEX...its meaningless. for whatever reason, committees etc. don't care about such things.
how else can you explain:
1. FLA getting to play for a national title the year their 1 L came to an unranked Ole Miss in the Swamp
2. the more damning one (from personal experience) was '08
UT, OU, and TTU all had 1 L.
a. UT beat OU by 10 on a *neutral field*
b. TTU beat UT by a point *in lubbock*
c. OU beat TTU by double digits *in norman*
and yet somehow, OU got to be ranked highest and then thus by tiebreaker took the big XII. fun fact, OU then got curb stomped in the national title game.
how UT doesn't win out in that scenario still boggles my mind 7 years later.
So is ND only chance to get in if Bama loses to UF?
well ND is currently down tonight, so they should take care of that first :)
otherwise, don't be shocked to see the Tar Heels take out Clemson or MSU takes out Iowa.
lot of football left...
Yes I meant if ND won. Also MSU/Iowa winner is in/loser out.
Clemson if they lose may still be in.
could certainly see MSU getting in if they beat Iowa so that's true. i'd say absolutely NO to clemson if UNC beats them. that'd be pretty hard to justify...
The fact that they count that as a top win is a fucking joke
Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.
Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.
That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's
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without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.
Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.
Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.
That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's
Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?
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without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.
Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.
Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.
That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's
Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?
And they beat Baylor in a rainstorm with Boykin on one leg who had no business playing and no Doctson. That takes some guts. USC would never win that game
Yes, it's simple.
Never mind that they had one common opponent this year and ND won by 35 and they lost. But hey, great stuff 12th man!
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without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.
Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.
Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.
That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's
Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?
And they beat Baylor in a rainstorm with Boykin on one leg who had no business playing and no Doctson. That takes some guts. USC would never win that game
Baylor playing with their 3rd string QB who is a converted WR from earlier this year. Seriously, put the bottle down. That didn't take guts. The weather was so bad no one was going to run away with that game.
USC couldn't beat a 3rd string QB who used to be a WR? That's pretty funny
That win last night didn't take guts. Both teams played for overtime basically the entire 2nd half. It takes guts to run the ball into the line 3 times on every drive for an entire half?
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Notre Dame is not the the 6th best team in the country. If ND played the Sooners, Sooners beat them by 2 TD's
Yes, it's simple.
Never mind that they had one common opponent this year and ND won by 35 and they lost. But hey, great stuff 12th man!
Wow 1 common opponent! Just Give ND the the College Championship. Sooners played 1 bad game all year. It happens, so did Alabama. Either of those 2 teams beat ND going away. Clemson may be the #1 school in the country to me Bama right now is the best in the country.
TCU without Boykin is not a top team. Their is no argument whatsoever to be made for that. Look at the Kansas game.
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without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.
Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.
Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.
That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's
Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?
And they beat Baylor in a rainstorm with Boykin on one leg who had no business playing and no Doctson. That takes some guts. USC would never win that game
Baylor playing with their 3rd string QB who is a converted WR from earlier this year. Seriously, put the bottle down. That didn't take guts. The weather was so bad no one was going to run away with that game.
USC couldn't beat a 3rd string QB who used to be a WR? That's pretty funny
USC would fold their tent and give up the moment they saw that weather. They're soft
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Notre Dame is not the the 6th best team in the country. If ND played the Sooners, Sooners beat them by 2 TD's
Yes, it's simple.
Never mind that they had one common opponent this year and ND won by 35 and they lost. But hey, great stuff 12th man!
Wow 1 common opponent! Just Give ND the the College Championship. Sooners played 1 bad game all year. It happens, so did Alabama. Either of those 2 teams beat ND going away. Clemson may be the #1 school in the country to me Bama right now is the best in the country.
If you don't want to use that to separate them then what exactly do you want to use? Their top wins are against Baylor playing with a backup true freshman QB, and TCU without their 2 best players. Congrats?
Just compare the resumes. How do you use anything besides the Texas game to separate the 2?
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without Boykin most certainly. TCU without Boykin wouldn't win 4 games in a season. That somehow wasn't factored into the committee's decision making. They clearly said they counted that as a "top" win.
Don't know about that. TCU can play with anyone. That's a tough minded team, even when they don't have Boykin.
Oklahoma, Baylor and TCU are the legit teams in that conference who can play with anyone.
That being said, I would pick ND over Oklahoma because their loss is "better" than Oklahoma's
Are you drunk? Serious question. Their entire team is Boykin and Dotson or whatever his name is. They have a ton of injuries on defense. Watch the Kansas game, one of the worst teams in division 1, and then get back to me how they are a tough minded team. What the hell does that even mean anyways?
And they beat Baylor in a rainstorm with Boykin on one leg who had no business playing and no Doctson. That takes some guts. USC would never win that game
Baylor playing with their 3rd string QB who is a converted WR from earlier this year. Seriously, put the bottle down. That didn't take guts. The weather was so bad no one was going to run away with that game.
USC couldn't beat a 3rd string QB who used to be a WR? That's pretty funny
USC would fold their tent and give up the moment they saw that weather. They're soft
USC couldn't put 10 guys in the box and run the ball into the line 3 times? Because thats all both teams did for an entire half of football. That doesn't take anything to do. Guys couldn't cut so it was not difficult at all to play defense
If he says after the game "the chart said to go for 2", I will kill him.
OK State is OK, but they aren't anything special. They, like the rest of the big 12, never plays anyone OOC so they all pad their records and have a bunch of teams in it at the end.
Serious question, if you can't use the Texas game to separate them, what are you using? If ND wins this game they will have wins against 4 top 25 teams, and none of the 4 came against the backup QB, two of Oklahomas will have. SOS very close, top wins very close. So then you get down to the 1 loss, and ND's is against the #1 team by 2 in a monsoon, and Oklahomas is to a Texas team who ND beat by 35. I just don't understand how you get over that.
You can't rank teams based off of hypothetical guesses. If you go that rout then who is to say Ohio St wouldn't best the Sooners by 2TDs based off of their romping of Michigan today. And if that's the case then they should be in over them.
Ok, that's your opinion.
But look at the resumes, and back up your opinion with actual facts of what happened, not just oh they would win by 2 td's. I have no idea if ND would beat them or not, but I can look at their resume and realize that they're close in everything except for the 1 loss. That's literally the only thing that separates the 2 resumes.
5 slots go to the power 5 conference winners.
3 wild cards
This year is would look like
Clemson
Alabama
Michigan State
Oklahoma
Pac 12 winner
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Florida State?
Looks legit to me.
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Notre Dame is not the the 6th best team in the country. If ND played the Sooners, Sooners beat them by 2 TD's
Yes, it's simple.
Never mind that they had one common opponent this year and ND won by 35 and they lost. But hey, great stuff 12th man!
Wow 1 common opponent! Just Give ND the the College Championship. Sooners played 1 bad game all year. It happens, so did Alabama. Either of those 2 teams beat ND going away. Clemson may be the #1 school in the country to me Bama right now is the best in the country.
Didn't Oklahoma lose to Clemson in the Citrus Bowl just last year 40-6? Not the exact same teams, I know, but pretty close. ND lost to Clemson by 2 AT Clemson, not on a neutral field. ND beat Texas by 35 and Texas beat Oklahoma. In any way shape or form that these teams can possibly be compared, Notre Dame comes out on top. There is virtually no evidence whatsoever that Oklahoma is the better team.
Of course conference champion is meaningless to you. You're an ND fan.
5 slots go to the power 5 conference winners.
3 wild cards
This year is would look like
Clemson
Alabama
Michigan State
Oklahoma
Pac 12 winner
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Florida State?
Looks legit to me.
I could live with that, maybe not in that order. Iowa needs to be in the top 8. I understand their schedule has been soft but the winner of MSU should be 3 and loser be top 8
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is meaningless to me. I know it's not to the committee, which is incredibly dumb. ND will have played every bit as difficult of a schedule and neither one has a conference title game. So who gives a shit about that
Of course conference champion is meaningless to you. You're an ND fan.
Conference champ with a championship game is meaningful. One without means nothing.
SEC should be embarrassed that a team as bad as Florida will be in the conference champs game.
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you need an 8 team playoff.
5 slots go to the power 5 conference winners.
3 wild cards
This year is would look like
Clemson
Alabama
Michigan State
Oklahoma
Pac 12 winner
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Florida State?
Looks legit to me.
I could live with that, maybe not in that order. Iowa needs to be in the top 8. I understand their schedule has been soft but the winner of MSU should be 3 and loser be top 8
I dont have Iowa up there because I believe they will lose next week. OSU is better than Iowa, IMO.
Coaches shouldn't even consider going for 2 unless there's under 10 minutes to go in the game in college. Way too much shit happens in between there to start chasing points early
in terms of comparing ND v. TEX and OU v. TEX...its meaningless. for whatever reason, committees etc. don't care about such things.
how else can you explain:
1. FLA getting to play for a national title the year their 1 L came to an unranked Ole Miss in the Swamp
2. the more damning one (from personal experience) was '08
UT, OU, and TTU all had 1 L.
a. UT beat OU by 10 on a *neutral field*
b. TTU beat UT by a point *in lubbock*
c. OU beat TTU by double digits *in norman*
and yet somehow, OU got to be ranked highest and then thus by tiebreaker took the big XII. fun fact, OU then got curb stomped in the national title game.
how UT doesn't win out in that scenario still boggles my mind 7 years later.
well ND is currently down tonight, so they should take care of that first :)
otherwise, don't be shocked to see the Tar Heels take out Clemson or MSU takes out Iowa.
lot of football left...
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So is ND only chance to get in if Bama loses to UF?
well ND is currently down tonight, so they should take care of that first :)
otherwise, don't be shocked to see the Tar Heels take out Clemson or MSU takes out Iowa.
lot of football left...
Yes I meant if ND won. Also MSU/Iowa winner is in/loser out.
Clemson if they lose may still be in.
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So is ND only chance to get in if Bama loses to UF?
well ND is currently down tonight, so they should take care of that first :)
otherwise, don't be shocked to see the Tar Heels take out Clemson or MSU takes out Iowa.
lot of football left...
Yes I meant if ND won. Also MSU/Iowa winner is in/loser out.
Clemson if they lose may still be in.
could certainly see MSU getting in if they beat Iowa so that's true. i'd say absolutely NO to clemson if UNC beats them. that'd be pretty hard to justify...