Players say this type of thing every time they lose. Someday fans will realize it and not put much credence to it.
They didn't lose because lack of effort and fire today -- they clearly were giving it whatever they had. They lost because they were undermanned, seemingly unprepared idiots.
Do you just view everything like some sort of robot with a black option and a white option? I don't care you think the "excuses" are legit. At some point excuses become reasons. You just are one of these people who sees a bad loss and says fire people. YOu think TC just ho hummed his way through these 2 weeks? The guy probably drummed the importance of the game into the team a thousand times a day. You can't force grown men who are pro athletes to play with focus and desire.
that Coughlin did everything he could to prepare the team to win this game. Now, one can argue that the scheme was wrong but lets table that for a minute.
If he did everything he could but the players are unable to execute, then is this really coming down to roster building and player selection? I know there are injuries, but the players who are making the mistakes (or not making the plays) are the starters.
We have Randle who has always played like an undrafted free agent and not like a guy we should have spent a high draft pick on. BBI want to dump Collins already although I am not giving up on him. Our TE situation is the bed that we made. We really don't have a starting #1 RB on this team. The O-line was patchwork coming into the season even before injuries.
Leadership... we really don't have any. Especially on defense. Yes, Eli is a leader but we also need someone like Strahan who would make others accountable. There is no heart.
but ti may give us a chance to see what Hart can do.
Hart played a good game today, curious to see more. I would like to see him replace Newhouse when Richberg and/or Pugh return.
I'm so tired of Schwartz has he EVER been healthy since he was signed here? Please part ways with him and Beason and Cruz has now not played in over a year. Time to make a decision with him.
Pugh now has a concussion history and Newhouse is back-up material at best.
And I was never a fan of Schwartz to begin with.
The reality of the situation is as I told Colin (and everyone else) is that WR's are a lot easier to replace and develop then Linemen, on either side of the ball.
Harris has been arguably out-playing the other WR's and he was a ST signing.
We, on the other hand are totally unprepared. Getting outplayed, out coached. We have seen this countless times. But injuries will excuse all of this I'm sure.
Injuries are real things that have a direct impact on the level play. If players didn't matter why bother with a draft?
and of course injuries do matter as reasons not excuses when they are at positions like O Line and D Line and QB. The Giants don't have a TE...think they could use a good one? They had 4th string OL today and 32 yards rushing. Eli literally had no running game to confuse a defense. THey have no LB's. THey have a thin D-Line. And they have guys all over the field dropping balls. So yeah it's a problem that the roster is missing key players and key positions.
that Coughlin did everything he could to prepare the team to win this game. Now, one can argue that the scheme was wrong but lets table that for a minute.
If he did everything he could but the players are unable to execute, then is this really coming down to roster building and player selection? I know there are injuries, but the players who are making the mistakes (or not making the plays) are the starters.
We have Randle who has always played like an undrafted free agent and not like a guy we should have spent a high draft pick on. BBI want to dump Collins already although I am not giving up on him. Our TE situation is the bed that we made. We really don't have a starting #1 RB on this team. The O-line was patchwork coming into the season even before injuries.
Leadership... we really don't have any. Especially on defense. Yes, Eli is a leader but we also need someone like Strahan who would make others accountable. There is no heart.
This Giants team has the worst Defensive line of any Giants team in the last 10-15 years and it's not even close. A complete overhaul is needed except for Hankins and Wynn as a rotational player. They should sign both Kerrigan and Curry this off season.
The team didn't lose because of a lack of desire. They had repeated sloppy play and had some of their mediocre players (Hosley, Meriweather) get beat with injury replacements underperforming. A lot of blame to go around. Lack of desire isn't one of them.
?!?!? are you fucking kidding me?!?! make dahl play center field put collins on reed...best on best not best on a srub ass safety who is lucky to be on a roster
Would have probably been ok, if he could have gotten a jam on him, but Reed is like a WR and Dhal is just not fleet a foot!
Puts the players on the field. The lack of depth is alarming. Despite that TC had them playing tough. Reese needs to go immediately if not sooner. He's an inept empty suit.
as well. Kid is the same size as Randle, but he actually plays tough. You need to see what he has at this point, because Randle has played himself off the team in the future. Just way to soft, he would do better in canada or in arena football.
This team needs a new coach and some new staff.I'm still of the persuasion that Reese deserves to pick the next HC. The point remains that the Giants have been their own biggest obstacle over the past couple years, this team shoots itself in the foot way to often, and makes poor decisions always at critical moments. They play undiciplined, and I've had enough of it.
The team didn't lose because of a lack of desire. They had repeated sloppy play and had some of their mediocre players (Hosley, Meriweather) get beat with injury replacements underperforming. A lot of blame to go around. Lack of desire isn't one of them.
Desire was there mostly...intensity not as much. Think about this for a second...
On a day when we ran 13 times, and Eli threw 51 times, Ruben Randle had one catch. 1 catch by your number 2 receiver out of 51 passes.
But can this team please bring in a talented RB next season? No more fucking journeymen or scat backs or grinders. I'm sick of this shit. They tried with wikson and failed. Try again for fucks sake.
The team didn't lose because of a lack of desire. They had repeated sloppy play and had some of their mediocre players (Hosley, Meriweather) get beat with injury replacements underperforming. A lot of blame to go around. Lack of desire isn't one of them.
Desire was there mostly...intensity not as much. Think about this for a second...
On a day when we ran 13 times, and Eli threw 51 times, Ruben Randle had one catch. 1 catch by your number 2 receiver out of 51 passes.
He seems to lack focus and discipline. It's very frustrating.
The biggest game of their season and the Jints showed up small!
There are so many things wrong with this team one of which is the play calling. Slamming RB's into the middle of the line behind second string slugs just won't work! No pass rush and refusing to blitz, is Spags afraid to get beat deep?
The way the Jints use Vereen is criminal, go back and watch the films from his time with the Pats! Seasons not over by a long shot, but this game today made the hill look like a mountain.
the first inexcusable stupid play of the day was Eli once again letting the play clock run out. Has there ever been a pro team in HISTORY who had more problems with what should be a simple thing????? One of many problems that never seems to get fixed.
Making the playoffs is going to be tough. If The Redskins go 3-2 , we would have to go 4-1, to win division. They have two games against romp less cowboys, so that is 2 right there.With our schedule, it is looking bleek.
Main reason the Giants were 5-5 was their big +12 in turnovers. Today their luck changed. Two deflected passes went right to Redskins. Eli throws another pick at a bad time that was on him. And DRC couldn't hold on to a pick six.
Don't blame the Giants too much for this game. Skins were lucky to get two picks bu deflections.
The defense is still mostly young and inexperienced. When things start to go wrong, it doesn't have the experience under fire to keep its cool and confidence.
that Coughlin did everything he could to prepare the team to win this game. Now, one can argue that the scheme was wrong but lets table that for a minute.
If he did everything he could but the players are unable to execute, then is this really coming down to roster building and player selection? I know there are injuries, but the players who are making the mistakes (or not making the plays) are the starters.
We have Randle who has always played like an undrafted free agent and not like a guy we should have spent a high draft pick on. BBI want to dump Collins already although I am not giving up on him. Our TE situation is the bed that we made. We really don't have a starting #1 RB on this team. The O-line was patchwork coming into the season even before injuries.
Leadership... we really don't have any. Especially on defense. Yes, Eli is a leader but we also need someone like Strahan who would make others accountable. There is no heart.
This Giants team has the worst Defensive line of any Giants team in the last 10-15 years and it's not even close. A complete overhaul is needed except for Hankins and Wynn as a rotational player. They should sign both Kerrigan and Curry this off season.
I agree with you hole heartedly about the Dline, however Kerrigan is probably not the answer as he's a LB in a 3-4, unless you think he could make the switch to a 4-3, if we are still paying a 4-3'next year that is.
as well. Kid is the same size as Randle, but he actually plays tough. You need to see what he has at this point, because Randle has played himself off the team in the future. Just way to soft, he would do better in canada or in arena football.
This team needs a new coach and some new staff.I'm still of the persuasion that Reese deserves to pick the next HC. The point remains that the Giants have been their own biggest obstacle over the past couple years, this team shoots itself in the foot way to often, and makes poor decisions always at critical moments. They play undiciplined, and I've had enough of it.
I'd like to see more of Davis as well. He also plays ST. But the fact that Nicks was active and he was not could be an indication that the coaches don't think he's ready.
Team TC has out there sucks.
I have concerns on Pughs health; GS and MN were non factors this year; our D is non descript. and scares nobody.
For most of the year they looked like the better of the '64-81 teams.
And we are a NFL -level slow team. And we may have FO&HC changes.
Not to mention the eminent medical and training staffs.
And Goodell is not stepping in to turn this around.
It took 6 drafts for JR to finally address OL and he still avoids LBs and TEs like the plague.
This mess is on JR. and staff. With contributions from coaching and players.
Randle doesn't get throws his way on a regular basis. people here have said it, game announcers have said it. the coaches have said it (they have to force Eli to look Randle's way). Eli simply doesn't like Randle as a receiver. I don't blame Randle for getting lazy. If you get open as much as people say Randle does, and not get thrown to, you could get a bit lackadaisical.
And Tye (yes Tye 6-74) and no one else doing shit! Randle 1 catch, Davis is not ready? A sixth rounder not ready? But Tye an undrafted FA is balling? Problem I have there is soooooo much to do this offseason, with evaluations, and needed player signings and I don't know if we have the right guys in place. JR waiting to sign players at bargain basement discounts is not going to cut it. We need so much we need to be aggressive and a new coach who can bring some talent with him would help. Frustrated I got nothing else but Frustrated!
And Tye (yes Tye 6-74) and no one else doing shit! Randle 1 catch, Davis is not ready? A sixth rounder not ready? But Tye an undrafted FA is balling? Problem I have there is soooooo much to do this offseason, with evaluations, and needed player signings and I don't know if we have the right guys in place. JR waiting to sign players at bargain basement discounts is not going to cut it. We need so much we need to be aggressive and a new coach who can bring some talent with him would help. Frustrated I got nothing else but Frustrated!
Remember that Tye's numbers were inflated by the last drive or so.
Damage was already done.
Randle doesn't get throws his way on a regular basis. people here have said it, game announcers have said it. the coaches have said it (they have to force Eli to look Randle's way). Eli simply doesn't like Randle as a receiver. I don't blame Randle for getting lazy. If you get open as much as people say Randle does, and not get thrown to, you could get a bit lackadaisical.
What? You don't blame him for being lazy?
There is no defending randle. He flat out sucks. Face reality my friend.
Maybe eli doesn't like throwing to randle because he sucks and runs lazy routes and the route incorrectly.
Daryl Johnston even pointed it out. We all can see it. Randle ran the route too short and the ball went over his head. He is out of place consistently and the ball is coming but he's in the wrong spot.
Sounds like you don't want to blame randle but eli instead.
The defense was bad and still managed to make the game winnable with a professional effort by the offense. I honestly don't even give a shit about Schwartz... he's earned less of his money than any FA I can remember in a long time. The Skins punked the receivers by playing tight man to man and daring them to get open. On the rare occasions they did, Eli didn't see them.
PLEASE REPLACE ALL 3 STARTING LBs.
DRC misses one motherf'n series and it's 1 play because Hosley gives up a bomb. What a useless player.
Hosley, Donnell, and Randle's continued presence on this team is such a massive indictment of the depth/talent on this roster.
because this team still refuses to address the two positions that matter most in the 2015/2016 NFL, linebacker and TE. Until those positions are addressed, they will lose games like this and live like the rest of the 7 win teams, hoping for another team to lose instead of winning.
So where are the Giants holes at for this off season?
Offense:
RG, RT, TE, WR2 need new players who aren't on the roster.
Defense:
LE, RE, DT, Weakside LB, Middle LB, FS need replacements who aren't on the roster. Prince is injury prone. DRC is a warrior but I'd imagine he's going to start breaking down. The cupboard is bare beyond them.
These losses would be easier to take if there was intriguing young talent waiting in the wings or experiencing a learning curve (collins, flowers for example). There are so many holes on this roster that they'll have to start from scratch with new bodies. What a mess.
I thought this was his best game. He is an in-the-box safety in the NFL, and the team needs a true FS to pair with him.
Collins is having a decent rookie year. The problem isn't so much, him, as it is that they have no FS. They are all SS on this roster. Merriweather has done a decent overall job this season, but once or twice a game either he or Collins is exposed in a coverage that neither would normally be asked to make.
RE: A completely pathetic performance by the team.
The defense was bad and still managed to make the game winnable with a professional effort by the offense. I honestly don't even give a shit about Schwartz... he's earned less of his money than any FA I can remember in a long time. The Skins punked the receivers by playing tight man to man and daring them to get open. On the rare occasions they did, Eli didn't see them.
PLEASE REPLACE ALL 3 STARTING LBs.
DRC misses one motherf'n series and it's 1 play because Hosley gives up a bomb. What a useless player.
Hosley, Donnell, and Randle's continued presence on this team is such a massive indictment of the depth/talent on this roster.
The real fault on that bomb, though, was Merriweather. He took a terrible angle and was underneath Jackson on a deep ball. If he takes a deep angle, he could potentially be there to defend the pass. Instead, he takes an angle underneath the play and is then playing catch up. At this point, it has happened to a handful of different S and a CB or two on this team. I think it is a coaching issue.
yet Washington won this game only by 6 points.
If I was one of their coaches and/or fans, that would be a big red flare to me.
The Giants dug too big of a hole early in this game to dig themselves out of, and didn't have the Oline to make the comeback either.
If Pugh and Richburg can't comeback and play effectively next week, this pattern may repeat itself.
The Giants didn't dig too big a hole early. The two INTs sucked, but they walked away 0-0 from them. They stopped blitzing in the 2nd quarter on D and went away from Jennings and Vereen, which was working a bit early.
but not so much his playcalling and personnel moves. This RB by committee is stupid already. Jennings opened the game looking decent, as did Vereen. Then, they get backed up and insert Williams for no good reason. He is the worst RB on the team and has not excelled in short yardage, so at this stage of the season WTF does he bring to the table backed up near the end zone? If you are going to switch, at least go with Darkwa. But, I say why switch at all?
The real fault on that bomb, though, was Merriweather. He took a terrible angle and was underneath Jackson on a deep ball. If he takes a deep angle, he could potentially be there to defend the pass. Instead, he takes an angle underneath the play and is then playing catch up. At this point, it has happened to a handful of different S and a CB or two on this team. I think it is a coaching issue.
Merriweather is no rookie......It's a matter of talent, or in the case of the Giants, lack thereof....there is not one good free safety on this team......we didn't get one in the offseason, or in the draft(and please, don't tell me Berhe or Thompson was the answer), to fill this roster...
The fact that this isn't a rookie we are talking about and that it has happened every week with about 5 or 6 different players, I think this is a problem with a scheme.
I didn't really hear his name, which is usually a good thing when a deep reserve OL is in a game. But, then again, that could just be the result of Newhouse completely shitting the bed when he was in.
Doomster: It's hard to assess the team's planning at free safety...
...when the first three options all went down before the season started.
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There is not one good free safety on this team......we didn't get one in the offseason, or in the draft(and please, don't tell me Berhe or Thompson was the answer), to fill this roster...
Skepticism about Berhe is justified, and I doubt Thompson would have been ready for prime time either. The guy Merritt seemed highest on was Bennett Jackson. Granted, he was coming off microfracture surgery and a position change, but he was the starter when he went down. Neither Berhe nor Thompson ever really got into the picture.
RE: RE: A completely pathetic performance by the team.
The real fault on that bomb, though, was Merriweather. He took a terrible angle and was underneath Jackson on a deep ball. If he takes a deep angle, he could potentially be there to defend the pass. Instead, he takes an angle underneath the play and is then playing catch up. At this point, it has happened to a handful of different S and a CB or two on this team. I think it is a coaching issue.
It looks like Hosley was supposed to bump Jackson near/at the LOS, but instead, he gets a free release. I'm not saying Meriweather is without blame, but it's no coincidence that the Skins hit their lone big downfield pass THE SECOND Hosley entered the game in place of a starter.
Hart played a good game today, curious to see more. I would like to see him replace Newhouse when Richberg and/or Pugh return.
Players say this type of thing every time they lose. Someday fans will realize it and not put much credence to it.
They didn't lose because lack of effort and fire today -- they clearly were giving it whatever they had. They lost because they were undermanned, seemingly unprepared idiots.
If he did everything he could but the players are unable to execute, then is this really coming down to roster building and player selection? I know there are injuries, but the players who are making the mistakes (or not making the plays) are the starters.
We have Randle who has always played like an undrafted free agent and not like a guy we should have spent a high draft pick on. BBI want to dump Collins already although I am not giving up on him. Our TE situation is the bed that we made. We really don't have a starting #1 RB on this team. The O-line was patchwork coming into the season even before injuries.
Leadership... we really don't have any. Especially on defense. Yes, Eli is a leader but we also need someone like Strahan who would make others accountable. There is no heart.
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but ti may give us a chance to see what Hart can do.
Hart played a good game today, curious to see more. I would like to see him replace Newhouse when Richberg and/or Pugh return.
I'm so tired of Schwartz has he EVER been healthy since he was signed here? Please part ways with him and Beason and Cruz has now not played in over a year. Time to make a decision with him.
And I was never a fan of Schwartz to begin with.
The reality of the situation is as I told Colin (and everyone else) is that WR's are a lot easier to replace and develop then Linemen, on either side of the ball.
Harris has been arguably out-playing the other WR's and he was a ST signing.
Injuries are real things that have a direct impact on the level play. If players didn't matter why bother with a draft?
If he did everything he could but the players are unable to execute, then is this really coming down to roster building and player selection? I know there are injuries, but the players who are making the mistakes (or not making the plays) are the starters.
We have Randle who has always played like an undrafted free agent and not like a guy we should have spent a high draft pick on. BBI want to dump Collins already although I am not giving up on him. Our TE situation is the bed that we made. We really don't have a starting #1 RB on this team. The O-line was patchwork coming into the season even before injuries.
Leadership... we really don't have any. Especially on defense. Yes, Eli is a leader but we also need someone like Strahan who would make others accountable. There is no heart.
This Giants team has the worst Defensive line of any Giants team in the last 10-15 years and it's not even close. A complete overhaul is needed except for Hankins and Wynn as a rotational player. They should sign both Kerrigan and Curry this off season.
Then try our luck against Minnesota and the dead and out Eagles
We will lose vs Carolina
Would have probably been ok, if he could have gotten a jam on him, but Reed is like a WR and Dhal is just not fleet a foot!
maybe reese needs to put them back on notice.
This team needs a new coach and some new staff.I'm still of the persuasion that Reese deserves to pick the next HC. The point remains that the Giants have been their own biggest obstacle over the past couple years, this team shoots itself in the foot way to often, and makes poor decisions always at critical moments. They play undiciplined, and I've had enough of it.
Desire was there mostly...intensity not as much. Think about this for a second...
On a day when we ran 13 times, and Eli threw 51 times, Ruben Randle had one catch. 1 catch by your number 2 receiver out of 51 passes.
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The team didn't lose because of a lack of desire. They had repeated sloppy play and had some of their mediocre players (Hosley, Meriweather) get beat with injury replacements underperforming. A lot of blame to go around. Lack of desire isn't one of them.
Desire was there mostly...intensity not as much. Think about this for a second...
On a day when we ran 13 times, and Eli threw 51 times, Ruben Randle had one catch. 1 catch by your number 2 receiver out of 51 passes.
He seems to lack focus and discipline. It's very frustrating.
The way the Jints use Vereen is criminal, go back and watch the films from his time with the Pats! Seasons not over by a long shot, but this game today made the hill look like a mountain.
RR has played himself out of a future contract with this team, he is just way to soft for the NFL.
Don't blame the Giants too much for this game. Skins were lucky to get two picks bu deflections.
The defense is still mostly young and inexperienced. When things start to go wrong, it doesn't have the experience under fire to keep its cool and confidence.
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that Coughlin did everything he could to prepare the team to win this game. Now, one can argue that the scheme was wrong but lets table that for a minute.
If he did everything he could but the players are unable to execute, then is this really coming down to roster building and player selection? I know there are injuries, but the players who are making the mistakes (or not making the plays) are the starters.
We have Randle who has always played like an undrafted free agent and not like a guy we should have spent a high draft pick on. BBI want to dump Collins already although I am not giving up on him. Our TE situation is the bed that we made. We really don't have a starting #1 RB on this team. The O-line was patchwork coming into the season even before injuries.
Leadership... we really don't have any. Especially on defense. Yes, Eli is a leader but we also need someone like Strahan who would make others accountable. There is no heart.
This Giants team has the worst Defensive line of any Giants team in the last 10-15 years and it's not even close. A complete overhaul is needed except for Hankins and Wynn as a rotational player. They should sign both Kerrigan and Curry this off season.
I agree with you hole heartedly about the Dline, however Kerrigan is probably not the answer as he's a LB in a 3-4, unless you think he could make the switch to a 4-3, if we are still paying a 4-3'next year that is.
This team needs a new coach and some new staff.I'm still of the persuasion that Reese deserves to pick the next HC. The point remains that the Giants have been their own biggest obstacle over the past couple years, this team shoots itself in the foot way to often, and makes poor decisions always at critical moments. They play undiciplined, and I've had enough of it.
I'd like to see more of Davis as well. He also plays ST. But the fact that Nicks was active and he was not could be an indication that the coaches don't think he's ready.
I have concerns on Pughs health; GS and MN were non factors this year; our D is non descript. and scares nobody.
For most of the year they looked like the better of the '64-81 teams.
And we are a NFL -level slow team. And we may have FO&HC changes.
Not to mention the eminent medical and training staffs.
And Goodell is not stepping in to turn this around.
It took 6 drafts for JR to finally address OL and he still avoids LBs and TEs like the plague.
This mess is on JR. and staff. With contributions from coaching and players.
I thought this was his best game. He is an in-the-box safety in the NFL, and the team needs a true FS to pair with him.
The Schwartz injury compounded the interior problems.
Would have though a more uptempo spread attack would have been the solution.
Remember that Tye's numbers were inflated by the last drive or so.
Damage was already done.
What? You don't blame him for being lazy?
There is no defending randle. He flat out sucks. Face reality my friend.
Maybe eli doesn't like throwing to randle because he sucks and runs lazy routes and the route incorrectly.
Daryl Johnston even pointed it out. We all can see it. Randle ran the route too short and the ball went over his head. He is out of place consistently and the ball is coming but he's in the wrong spot.
Sounds like you don't want to blame randle but eli instead.
PLEASE REPLACE ALL 3 STARTING LBs.
DRC misses one motherf'n series and it's 1 play because Hosley gives up a bomb. What a useless player.
Hosley, Donnell, and Randle's continued presence on this team is such a massive indictment of the depth/talent on this roster.
Offense:
RG, RT, TE, WR2 need new players who aren't on the roster.
Defense:
LE, RE, DT, Weakside LB, Middle LB, FS need replacements who aren't on the roster. Prince is injury prone. DRC is a warrior but I'd imagine he's going to start breaking down. The cupboard is bare beyond them.
These losses would be easier to take if there was intriguing young talent waiting in the wings or experiencing a learning curve (collins, flowers for example). There are so many holes on this roster that they'll have to start from scratch with new bodies. What a mess.
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I thought this was his best game. He is an in-the-box safety in the NFL, and the team needs a true FS to pair with him.
PLEASE REPLACE ALL 3 STARTING LBs.
DRC misses one motherf'n series and it's 1 play because Hosley gives up a bomb. What a useless player.
Hosley, Donnell, and Randle's continued presence on this team is such a massive indictment of the depth/talent on this roster.
If I was one of their coaches and/or fans, that would be a big red flare to me.
The Giants dug too big of a hole early in this game to dig themselves out of, and didn't have the Oline to make the comeback either.
If Pugh and Richburg can't comeback and play effectively next week, this pattern may repeat itself.
Merriweather is no rookie......It's a matter of talent, or in the case of the Giants, lack thereof....there is not one good free safety on this team......we didn't get one in the offseason, or in the draft(and please, don't tell me Berhe or Thompson was the answer), to fill this roster...
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Skepticism about Berhe is justified, and I doubt Thompson would have been ready for prime time either. The guy Merritt seemed highest on was Bennett Jackson. Granted, he was coming off microfracture surgery and a position change, but he was the starter when he went down. Neither Berhe nor Thompson ever really got into the picture.
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The real fault on that bomb, though, was Merriweather. He took a terrible angle and was underneath Jackson on a deep ball. If he takes a deep angle, he could potentially be there to defend the pass. Instead, he takes an angle underneath the play and is then playing catch up. At this point, it has happened to a handful of different S and a CB or two on this team. I think it is a coaching issue.
It looks like Hosley was supposed to bump Jackson near/at the LOS, but instead, he gets a free release. I'm not saying Meriweather is without blame, but it's no coincidence that the Skins hit their lone big downfield pass THE SECOND Hosley entered the game in place of a starter.