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Bold Ruler : Mod : 11/29/2015 2:24 pm
Might as well get started...
I just got home...  
natefit : 11/29/2015 2:25 pm : link
WTF did I walk into?
Just sad  
UberAlias : 11/29/2015 2:30 pm : link
Biggest game of the year and here we are.
Thank goodness for Assassins Creed and Fallout 4  
Route 9 : 11/29/2015 2:33 pm : link
Just cause coming soon
We blow the lead most likely tie breaker  
UberAlias : 11/29/2015 2:33 pm : link
And skins have much easier schedule. Congrats skins.
We had a good week of practice. Very disappointed  
Giants2012 : 11/29/2015 2:34 pm : link
Too many injuries
RE: I just got home...  
RDJR : 11/29/2015 2:34 pm : link
In comment 12649316 natefit said:
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WTF did I walk into?


Leave...quick.
.  
Danny Kanell : 11/29/2015 2:36 pm : link
Really a shameful performance when the division has been handed to them. I don't even know what to say anymore. This fucking season, my God.
Might as well start a draft discussion thread  
UberAlias : 11/29/2015 2:37 pm : link
While you're at it.
Who are serious HC coaching candidates for next year?  
beatrixkiddo : 11/29/2015 2:37 pm : link
This team desperately needs a new HC, and its been way to long.
Fire Coughlin and Reese  
realgiants91 : 11/29/2015 2:38 pm : link
after the game and start looking for new coaches and a GM. Might as well get a head start.
Just have to dust it off and move on. I guess.  
Devon : 11/29/2015 2:39 pm : link
The NFC East sucks, so they're still not dead even if it's an up hill climb.

The thing that bugs me most is that as undermanned talent-wise as they are, they also seemed completely unprepared again.

The effort is there, they're clearly trying even if they're fucking it up, but theywerent ready at all and that's a coaching issue -- specifically a Tom Coughlin issue.
The team shows nothing  
LondonGiant : 11/29/2015 2:39 pm : link
Can blame injuries all we want, but there's plenty of other players on that field who are suppose to be half decent.
We show nothing on offense, and defense making cousins look like Tom Brady.
Eli needs to stop trying to hit OBJ on every play its so obvious!
Good thing is I might be seeing the Giants over here next season after all!
RE: Fire Coughlin and Reese  
Jay on the Island : 11/29/2015 2:39 pm : link
In comment 12649465 realgiants91 said:
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after the game and start looking for new coaches and a GM. Might as well get a head start.

You should stick to the game threads.
What makes this evening more disturbing  
prdave73 : 11/29/2015 2:39 pm : link
Is the Giants almost beat the best team in the league last week, then come back to this performance against one of the weakest teams in the league?! 2 weeks to prepare? Smh.. bad coaching..
I posted earlier in the week  
bluesince56 : 11/29/2015 2:40 pm : link
We haven't yet seen the Coughlin Crash. You are witnessing it now. 3-3 in the last 4 four seasons the last six games of the season.
@Patricia_Traina: Ruben Randle no catches. He's having trouble against  
Canton : 11/29/2015 2:41 pm : link
an undrafted free agent corner.
injuries are a factor to a point  
micky : 11/29/2015 2:41 pm : link
But the sloppy play, miscommunications (even with 2 weeks to prepare) and mental mistakes, are consistent with this team. Thats a problem that's not being corrected.
RE: .  
Route 9 : 11/29/2015 2:41 pm : link
In comment 12649447 Danny Kanell said:
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Really a shameful performance when the division has been handed to them. I don't even know what to say anymore. This fucking season, my God.


They just suck that much I guess
Knicks/Rockets at 7:30.  
bceagle05 : 11/29/2015 2:42 pm : link
The Leftovers at 9.

That's all I got.
Thanks.  
illmatic : 11/29/2015 2:42 pm : link
I needed the laugh.
Between this game and Philly  
UberAlias : 11/29/2015 2:42 pm : link
You really don't get the idea they want the division. In the most meaningful games they fail to show up.
RE: @Patricia_Traina: Ruben Randle no catches. He's having trouble against  
Jimmy Googs : 11/29/2015 2:43 pm : link
In comment 12649491 Canton said:
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an undrafted free agent corner.


Nicks trying to take his starting job. Randle is really useless.
Win.  
Britt in VA : 11/29/2015 2:44 pm : link
.
Meanwhile  
Canton : 11/29/2015 2:44 pm : link
This all done before the first half is over




Watkins coming out party 🎉 💃 🎈
Washington came to play today  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 11/29/2015 2:47 pm : link
We, on the other hand are totally unprepared. Getting outplayed, out coached. We have seen this countless times. But injuries will excuse all of this I'm sure.
Look at the lineup  
Stufftherun : 11/29/2015 2:48 pm : link
of defenses/defensive lines they have to finish the season. They'll be lucky if they win one of the remaining 5 which in all honesty is the best scenario for their future. Feel bad for Eli who's facing yet another lost season.
RE: Meanwhile  
Giants in 07 : 11/29/2015 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12649516 Canton said:
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This all done before the first half is over




Watkins coming out party 🎉 💃 🎈


What does this have to do with anything?
Giants can't compete  
Mike B from JC : 11/29/2015 2:51 pm : link
With all the injuries. Gotta revamp this team in the off season. Need players that can stay on the field. Playing horrible besides.need de dt s lb oline and rb
Now  
Dragon : 11/29/2015 2:52 pm : link
We will see a mad scramble in he second half that will most likely fall jet a bit short. How can a team show so little after two weeks to prepare this is not about the players it's about the ability to inspire and prepare a team to perform and play with passion.
If I was in charge  
realgiants91 : 11/29/2015 2:53 pm : link
of football operations, I would clean house, everything from the training staff to the coaches to the front office and its scouts. Just clean the stench off and start fresh. Maybe Ernie can help us in the GM search.
RE: Washington came to play today  
natefit : 11/29/2015 2:54 pm : link
In comment 12649534 Bold Ruler said:
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We, on the other hand are totally unprepared. Getting outplayed, out coached. We have seen this countless times. But injuries will excuse all of this I'm sure.

Again.
Giants  
noro9 : 11/29/2015 2:54 pm : link
Getting manhandled. It's like the end of 4th quarter
How  
rocco8112 : 11/29/2015 2:55 pm : link
bad are these teams?
Hopefully that's the spark they needed  
illmatic : 11/29/2015 2:55 pm : link
put some damn points on the board. Now.
Time  
jamesmichaelworm : 11/29/2015 2:56 pm : link
For the comeback
RE: How  
bluesince56 : 11/29/2015 2:57 pm : link
In comment 12649608 rocco8112 said:
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bad are these teams?


Today there is only one bad team on the field
RE: Washington came to play today  
micky : 11/29/2015 2:57 pm : link
In comment 12649534 Bold Ruler said:
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We, on the other hand are totally unprepared. Getting outplayed, out coached. We have seen this countless times. But injuries will excuse all of this I'm sure.


Agree 100000%
Need that  
bluesince56 : 11/29/2015 2:59 pm : link
balance
Come the f on and let's  
Essex : 11/29/2015 3:00 pm : link
Cash this in
Need  
jamesmichaelworm : 11/29/2015 3:00 pm : link
7 here
RR  
Essex : 11/29/2015 3:01 pm : link
Has to catch that
That ball was in RR's hands  
Essex : 11/29/2015 3:01 pm : link
.
Terrible throw on Eli.  
Sammo85 : 11/29/2015 3:04 pm : link
Killer pick into double if not triple coverage.
And that should  
rebel yell : 11/29/2015 3:04 pm : link
be the game there.
How many INTs has Eli thrown  
widmerseyebrow : 11/29/2015 3:04 pm : link
Targeting RR, over his career?
Awful  
jamesmichaelworm : 11/29/2015 3:05 pm : link
Had a chance to comeback in this game
RE: How many INTs has Eli thrown  
bigbluescot : 11/29/2015 3:05 pm : link
In comment 12649723 widmerseyebrow said:
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Targeting RR, over his career?


Lots, but that wasn't on. Eli has been throwing into coverage all day. He's been fucking terrible.
That was a terrible throw.  
Logan56 : 11/29/2015 3:06 pm : link
Thrown behind the receiver crossing the End Zone.

Face it, Eli is not in this game, he is somewhere else, and this loss is on him. This defense is not that good. 3 Picks and zero points, what a joke.
RE: RE: How many INTs has Eli thrown  
widmerseyebrow : 11/29/2015 3:07 pm : link
In comment 12649741 bigbluescot said:
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In comment 12649723 widmerseyebrow said:


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Targeting RR, over his career?



Lots, but that wasn't on. Eli has been throwing into coverage all day. He's been fucking terrible.


It looked like just a bad decision but did Moose just say it was on RR?
Well the defense is trying  
illmatic : 11/29/2015 3:08 pm : link
they aren't getting any fucking help though from this shit offense.
So what's the point of a bye week  
CromartiesKid21 : 11/29/2015 3:09 pm : link
When the team comes completely unprepared and there were more injuries found during the time off than having a game?
Get this to one  
jamesmichaelworm : 11/29/2015 3:10 pm : link
Score before 4th qtr
Nick Foles has thrown 2 of the worst INTs I've seen this year  
jeff57 : 11/29/2015 3:18 pm : link
,
RE: Get this to one  
BigBlueJ : 11/29/2015 3:18 pm : link
In comment 12649798 jamesmichaelworm said:
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Score before 4th qtr


what is the score?
Defense playing well so far in 2nd Half  
yalebowl : 11/29/2015 3:22 pm : link
But no offense
Another no show performance  
Funkhouser : 11/29/2015 3:25 pm : link
From this joke of team. No worries, the spineless owner says all is well.
This is so sad ...  
Beer Man : 11/29/2015 3:25 pm : link
to come off a bye-week and be so unprepared to play.
RE: This is so sad ...  
shabu : 11/29/2015 3:28 pm : link
In comment 12649969 Beer Man said:
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to come off a bye-week and be so unprepared to play.


Ya, this is horrible. Its unbelievable how flat they look i mean be professionals jesus and sadly Eli is leading the way.

What a mess.
Just embarrassing.  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 11/29/2015 3:30 pm : link
Nothing else to add.
Coughlins post game comments  
bluesince56 : 11/29/2015 3:30 pm : link
"I'm very disappointed. I thought we would be ready. We talked all week about the importance of this game. We had a good week of practice."

RE: RE: This is so sad ...  
yalebowl : 11/29/2015 3:33 pm : link
In comment 12650003 shabu said:
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In comment 12649969 Beer Man said:


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to come off a bye-week and be so unprepared to play.



Ya, this is horrible. Its unbelievable how flat they look i mean be professionals jesus and sadly Eli is leading the way.

What a mess.


This is on Coughlin and McAdoo. 2 weeks to prepare and pathetic performance. They could have scripted the first 10-15 plays with all that time.

This team is not physical.
I need to stay away from sports radio for a long time.  
Boy Cord : 11/29/2015 3:33 pm : link
Shutout. Asskicking. Embarrassing. Oh well. I will root for horrible things to happen to DC.
This evenings topics on BBI:  
natefit : 11/29/2015 3:38 pm : link
Coughlin, Reese, Eli, injuries, Randle, the OL, Superbowls, Cowher, NFCE, the draft...
I really can't think of a shittier all around season  
djm : 11/29/2015 3:38 pm : link
It's a combo of 03, 06 and 2010. This season fucking sucks as much as one could possibly suck. The only saving grace is Philly and Dallas suck even worse but we aren't winning this division even though she all but begged the Giants to take it. Skins will win it. And we get to listen to the no playoffs for X amount of years narrative for another year.

So done.
Well  
giantgiantfan : 11/29/2015 3:39 pm : link
they shit the bed hard. No faith in this team. Not that it matters, no one from the NFC East is doing anything.
I'm sorry, but this is one week where  
SHO'NUFF : 11/29/2015 3:40 pm : link
lack of talent gets more blame than lack of preparation. Nobody can win with Newhouse, Reynolds and Jerry. especially with Schwartz going down unexpectedly. The Pugh and Richburg injuries fucked us at the absolute wrong time.
RE: injuries are a factor to a point  
shabu : 11/29/2015 3:41 pm : link
In comment 12649494 micky said:
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But the sloppy play, miscommunications (even with 2 weeks to prepare) and mental mistakes, are consistent with this team. Thats a problem that's not being corrected.


very true
1  
shabu : 11/29/2015 3:44 pm : link
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There is no way to determine whether the coaching or the injuries  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/29/2015 3:44 pm : link
are to blame for these disastrous years. You can't prevent injuries, that's part of the NFL, but you can certainly change the other.

Eli hasn't lost a single game to injury, I don't think we can use that as an excuse at all.
Defense needs to score one  
yalebowl : 11/29/2015 3:44 pm : link
Now!
Curious  
CromartiesKid21 : 11/29/2015 3:46 pm : link
If here on out the Post Game thread gets more hits than the Game Thread
We have the dumbest DL players  
Sammo85 : 11/29/2015 3:48 pm : link
In all of football.
RE: We have the dumbest DL players  
yalebowl : 11/29/2015 3:50 pm : link
In comment 12650185 Sammo85 said:
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In all of football.


Yep! Should have been 2nd 10
RE: I'm sorry, but this is one week where  
phil in arizona : 11/29/2015 3:51 pm : link
In comment 12650083 SHO'NUFF said:
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lack of talent gets more blame than lack of preparation. Nobody can win with Newhouse, Reynolds and Jerry. especially with Schwartz going down unexpectedly. The Pugh and Richburg injuries fucked us at the absolute wrong time.


I mostly agree with this. Though you would expect better with 2 weeks to prepare.
Guys  
Carl in CT : 11/29/2015 3:53 pm : link
It's getting to that time where changes are necessary. Four years is enough loyalty. It should be division or shake up. There is still time for all to earn their jobs for next year, but it's time to EARN it. Injuries are part of the game and all teams are hurt. There is no excuse. But the fact that our team is consistently has more players missing year after year some blame should be put on medical staff, trainers and if the right players are being drafted. Loyalty goes so far. People are getting paid big dollars to produce in all facets of the organization. It's put up or shut up.
They still have a shot  
phil in arizona : 11/29/2015 3:54 pm : link
Let's go eli
What a debacle this season has become  
Torrag : 11/29/2015 3:54 pm : link
Between the missed opportunities to close out multiple wins by both the players and coaches and the epidemic of injuries throughout the roster what the fuck else can go wrong.

I have no idea what the future holds for any aspect of this franchise. At this point ownership is justified in making dramatic changes in all facets if they choose to do so. That includes in the front offices, coaching staff and roster.

As the saying goes it's a shit sandwich and everyone is going to have to take a bite.
So now  
Sec 103 : 11/29/2015 4:00 pm : link
Its a heart attack game
Redskins calling plays like us now lol  
Shockwave : 11/29/2015 4:03 pm : link
...
How many games have been lost  
oldutican : 11/29/2015 4:12 pm : link
cause defense couldn't make a late game stop? At least 5?
RE: How many games have been lost  
shabu : 11/29/2015 4:13 pm : link
In comment 12650420 oldutican said:
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cause defense couldn't make a late game stop? At least 5?


obviously giants need a talent infusion there... but this loss is not on the D.

The offense was terrible until the 4th qtr.. too little too late.
God, does every loss  
Jerz44 : 11/29/2015 4:14 pm : link
have to be such a heartbreaker.

I almost wish we were blown out.
That Harris play on the final punt is just another example of how  
Devon : 11/29/2015 4:15 pm : link
collectively stupid this team is.

If every player on a team is this braindead, something ain't right.
They take over nothing.  
BlueHurricane : 11/29/2015 4:15 pm : link
They are 5-6. Same as us. We both suck. Tiebreakers don't matter until week 17.
Still tied for first  
jeff57 : 11/29/2015 4:15 pm : link
.
story of the season  
area junc : 11/29/2015 4:15 pm : link
is being fucking stupid
RE: God, does every loss  
BlueHurricane : 11/29/2015 4:15 pm : link
In comment 12650433 Jerz44 said:
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have to be such a heartbreaker.

I almost wish we were blown out.


We were. Don't let score fool you.
RE: God, does every loss  
jeff57 : 11/29/2015 4:15 pm : link
In comment 12650433 Jerz44 said:
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have to be such a heartbreaker.

I almost wish we were blown out.


This wasn't a heart breaker
Shabu  
oldutican : 11/29/2015 4:16 pm : link
At end of game, defense needed to make a stop. They got ball run down their throats.
good thing we have our $17 million special  
Enzo : 11/29/2015 4:16 pm : link
teams ace back to field punts! What a fucking joke.
Brutal loss  
rocco8112 : 11/29/2015 4:16 pm : link
brutal, painful season

bring on the Jets
Hurts losing to DC.  
Boy Cord : 11/29/2015 4:17 pm : link
Hurts a lot. Glad they had a chance. Defense didn't get it done.

Schedule blows going forward. What a fuckin waste. Had it in their hands until kickoff.
hilarious  
TexasGmenFan : 11/29/2015 4:17 pm : link
congrats coming off a bye, we showed up to play for a whopping 5min in a 60min game.

totally shocking that its not enough to produce a W.
I have to admit...  
hitchchops2 : 11/29/2015 4:17 pm : link
...they got me again...thought they would take hold of the division today...they all sucked, from Eli down, what exactly did they work on for 2 weeks? Terrible execution in all phases, can't wait for Tom to take blame while passively blaming everyone else. Oh well.
lot on line..and shit the bed  
micky : 11/29/2015 4:17 pm : link
.
Skins wanted it more  
NYerInMA : 11/29/2015 4:17 pm : link
And the Giants apparently still thought they were on their bye week. Embarrassing effort by Big Blue today.
RE: That Harris play on the final punt is just another example of how  
bluesince56 : 11/29/2015 4:17 pm : link
In comment 12650435 Devon said:
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collectively stupid this team is.

If every player on a team is this braindead, something ain't right.


This the special team coach who needs to remind the player that they are going for the block. Therefore don't catch the ball
Reality check.  
bceagle05 : 11/29/2015 4:17 pm : link
We still suck.
Rushing offense and coaching suck  
5BowlsSoon : 11/29/2015 4:18 pm : link
How do you not rush the bell well against these guys, especially coming off of a bye? The bye week must mean just that- coaches take a bye.
Think about it...if Harris doesn't field that  
Matt M. : 11/29/2015 4:18 pm : link
and we have the penalty tacked on, we start at the 30 with more time on the clock. Those first couple of plays would have gotten us around mid field, where we can take a shot deep or with a little extra time, run one more play to the sideline first.
Dumb team  
Giants2012 : 11/29/2015 4:18 pm : link
Even with the injuries, you have wonder why collectively the roster is so stupid.

Fielding a punt inside your own two
Losing a key timeout b/c only 10 men on the field
Running the wrong pattern if you're a receiver
Not bumping the TE off the LOS
Late hit on the QB

The list is long every week. The team is just dumb
Lets not let the 4th quarter cloud how terrible this game was  
GloryDayz : 11/29/2015 4:18 pm : link
2 weeks to prepare, scout, self scout, make adjustments, surprise Skins, and 90% of the team shits the bed
.  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/29/2015 4:18 pm : link
of course the d can't make a stop with the game on the line and a chance to get the ball back.
Terrible performance  
KWhite2250 : 11/29/2015 4:19 pm : link
But had the chance and as per usual the defense spreads its cheeks. Offense didnt show up for 3 quarters. Oh well
Perfect way to end the game  
Logan56 : 11/29/2015 4:19 pm : link
The fact that we were able to score 2 TD's and it was not enough. Mostly because Eli threw 3 picks, and should have thrown 3 more.

Eli ended the game by overthrowing a pass. He threw a lateral over both his players heads.

Washington sucks. They barely won a game, where we the other team played like a bunch a bitches.

Washington shows us to manager the clock with 5 minutes left. If we knew how to do this, this game would have been meaningless.

Tough pill to swallow today. Not just because we lost, but after the last two years, it is obvious this team is not getting better.
What a disappointing performance  
SwirlingEddie : 11/29/2015 4:19 pm : link
I was hoping for so much more.
Another embarrrassing loss. How can they play so well against the  
Blue21 : 11/29/2015 4:19 pm : link
the Patriots then suck like this?
RE: Dumb team  
NorwoodWideRight : 11/29/2015 4:20 pm : link
In comment 12650475 Giants2012 said:
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Even with the injuries, you have wonder why collectively the roster is so stupid.


Generally-speaking, these types of mistakes and brain farts are on the coaching staff.
RE: That Harris play on the final punt is just another example of how  
shabu : 11/29/2015 4:20 pm : link
In comment 12650435 Devon said:
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collectively stupid this team is.

If every player on a team is this braindead, something ain't right.


You know, the Giants have never been a smart team under TC. They have fight, they don't quit and are generally prepared... but they have never been that "smart" team...

The small things seem to slip through the cracks, this season it cost the Giants many losses.
Quinn  
Cornman33 : 11/29/2015 4:20 pm : link
My favorite part is that Quinn still has a job. I think the only way he loses his job is if he stabs Eli on camera and Eli misses a game. Probably not enough if he just stabs him but Eli plays the next game.
RE: RE: That Harris play on the final punt is just another example of how  
Devon : 11/29/2015 4:20 pm : link
In comment 12650466 bluesince56 said:
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In comment 12650435 Devon said:


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collectively stupid this team is.

If every player on a team is this braindead, something ain't right.



This the special team coach who needs to remind the player that they are going for the block. Therefore don't catch the ball


The stupid isn't exactly contained to STs though, so we can't just point the finger at Quinn.

Pretty much every player on this team is apt to choose the stupidest route. It goes back to how unprepared they seem to often be, even if they're out there fighting and are usually undermanned.
RE: Coughlins post game comments  
shabu : 11/29/2015 4:20 pm : link
In comment 12650016 bluesince56 said:
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"I'm very disappointed. I thought we would be ready. We talked all week about the importance of this game. We had a good week of practice."


Didnt u post this yesterday ?
I'm so glad the game was not televised in my area  
Patrick77 : 11/29/2015 4:21 pm : link
I got to watch the last 5 minutes after the Vikings game switched over.

So I can only comment on

Beckham is God
Teams should press Beckham, have a safety over the top and a guy ten yards off the line shading him so he is forced to the sideline. It's not like will Tye, the run game, or Randle is going to beat teams consistently.
Landon Collins is a great run defender - maybe a linebacker someday? Unless the Giants get a great coverage safety and another corner he will be exposed in the passing game.
Craig Dahl blows
Harris made an unbelievably stupid decision that cost the Giants at least 13 yards.
The defense needs a dominant defensive lineman. Maybe someone is healthy or steps up next year. A rookie ain't solving this.
RE: Perfect way to end the game  
Devon : 11/29/2015 4:22 pm : link
In comment 12650480 Logan56 said:
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The fact that we were able to score 2 TD's and it was not enough. Mostly because Eli threw 3 picks, and should have thrown 3 more.

Eli ended the game by overthrowing a pass. He threw a lateral over both his players heads.

Washington sucks. They barely won a game, where we the other team played like a bunch a bitches.

Washington shows us to manager the clock with 5 minutes left. If we knew how to do this, this game would have been meaningless.

Tough pill to swallow today. Not just because we lost, but after the last two years, it is obvious this team is not getting better.


If you're going to say Eli should have thrown "three more" (which is silly), you should at least recognize that he only should have thrown one of the three he actually did (and even that one is debatable, though I do put it on him).
craig dahl on jordan reed  
Gmen108021 : 11/29/2015 4:23 pm : link
?!?!? are you fucking kidding me?!?! make dahl play center field put collins on reed...best on best not best on a srub ass safety who is lucky to be on a roster
RE: Perfect way to end the game  
JCin332 : 11/29/2015 4:23 pm : link
In comment 12650480 Logan56 said:
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The fact that we were able to score 2 TD's and it was not enough. Mostly because Eli threw 3 picks, and should have thrown 3 more.

Eli ended the game by overthrowing a pass. He threw a lateral over both his players heads.

Washington sucks. They barely won a game, where we the other team played like a bunch a bitches.

Washington shows us to manager the clock with 5 minutes left. If we knew how to do this, this game would have been meaningless.

Tough pill to swallow today. Not just because we lost, but after the last two years, it is obvious this team is not getting better.


You are not very knowledgeable about football are you..?
Ugh...  
trueblueinpw : 11/29/2015 4:24 pm : link
Division road game isn't one you write down as a win. If DRC makes that pick 6 in the first half, if Vereen doesn't look up field before bobbling the ball and giving the Washington team an INT, if Eli doesn't through the pick in the end zone (a truly stupefyingly dumb throw)...

Can't really remember a season where we had more of these "could have been..." games where two or three plays swung us from victory to defeat. We're close, but the margin for error is so slim and we just don't seem to have the players.
What a fucking train wreck  
BlueClaw : 11/29/2015 4:24 pm : link
Like driving past a bad accident.
Hurts to look at this shit fest.

OBJ is fucking great but him and ELI can't do it all.

mistakes are consistent for too long of a time  
micky : 11/29/2015 4:24 pm : link
Team is injury prone to the utmost. Mistakes can be corrected..by whom?....injuries just no answers
Ugh  
giantgiantfan : 11/29/2015 4:24 pm : link
Just a fucking travesty. Which leaves us all in the position to be rooting for Dallas against Washington next week. However the Giants can still go 10-6. They won't of course, but there is that to keep our hopes alive just enough to crush them later.
RE: I'm sorry, but this is one week where  
shabu : 11/29/2015 4:24 pm : link
In comment 12650083 SHO'NUFF said:
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lack of talent gets more blame than lack of preparation. Nobody can win with Newhouse, Reynolds and Jerry. especially with Schwartz going down unexpectedly. The Pugh and Richburg injuries fucked us at the absolute wrong time.


SHO, i don't think those guys were the problem, yes they got beat up a bit but...

Eli through a dumb pass for 1 int.
Vereen drops the ball for 1 int.
Randle gets lazy on a route for int 3 and we lose 7 points.

Self imposed mistakes.... gave the game away.
this  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2015 4:25 pm : link
sucks...I'm floored at how poorly we played.
tc.."commend guys for hanging in there and  
micky : 11/29/2015 4:25 pm : link
Battling..and to ol"
RE: good thing we have our $17 million special  
giantgiantfan : 11/29/2015 4:25 pm : link
In comment 12650451 Enzo said:
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teams ace back to field punts! What a fucking joke.


He did win that game against Dallas for us...
why get pissed - why care  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 4:26 pm : link
players don't seem to. After the game - players seemed more concerned swapping gloves& jerseys, taking selfies,and getting to the prayer circle than they cared about losing a game that may cost them sole division lead. team has no heart, no soul.

lack of talent notwithstanding - typical inconsistency you seem with TC's teams.
Eric  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 4:26 pm : link
How much blame goes to TC for not having these guys ready to play?
Tom proud of them  
micky : 11/29/2015 4:27 pm : link
For making a run at the end
if he is proud  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 4:28 pm : link
he should go
RE: this  
SethFromAstoria : 11/29/2015 4:28 pm : link
In comment 12650522 Eric from BBI said:
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sucks...I'm floored at how poorly we played.


LIterally only 2 men on the field with a clear intense desire to win the game. There were others but only 2 made it clear what a win meant. Rueben Randle is the JR Smith of the Giants.
5 games to go  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 4:28 pm : link
Philly is a definite loss. 9-7 is the best we can hope for.
Rematch the tape  
Logan56 : 11/29/2015 4:29 pm : link
Eli had thee picks dropped by the defense, We were lucky.
RE: Eric  
SethFromAstoria : 11/29/2015 4:29 pm : link
In comment 12650533 bc4life said:
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How much blame goes to TC for not having these guys ready to play?


I actually think he must have been obsessively preparing them to play. Not saying you never blame the coach but when a guy drops a pick six in his hands, or a vet RB who is a superb catching RB turns to run up field before catching the ball, and Rueben Randle doesn't know how to run a slant route in the endzone, at what point do you just say these players did not do their damn jobs.
The team isn't consistent  
BigBlueCane : 11/29/2015 4:30 pm : link
enough to make the late season playoff push. Coughlin and his staff are being asked to work miracles which frankly isn't going to happen.
we dropped a  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 4:30 pm : link
pick 6 in 1st quarter
RE: Dumb team  
Giants2012 : 11/29/2015 4:30 pm : link
In comment 12650475 Giants2012 said:
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Even with the injuries, you have wonder why collectively the roster is so stupid.

Fielding a punt inside your own two
Losing a key timeout b/c only 10 men on the field
Running the wrong pattern if you're a receiver
Not bumping the TE off the LOS
Late hit on the QB

The list is long every week. The team is just dumb


Dropped balls, tipped balls (mental errors evey week).
The offense certainly has plenty of blame to go around  
Matt M. : 11/29/2015 4:30 pm : link
But, I think this loss and the last few, have more to do with this defense. They blitzed for pressure to get Cousins to rush throws on the first 2 possessions. Then they were content to play the rest of the half with a 4 man rush and let Cousins sit in a clean pocket...just like every F-ing week. Then, they had their weekly play of a S getting caught underneath a WR on a deep play down the middle. These consistent plays week in and week out are inexplicable. Then the 4th Qaurter FG allowed. A weeky stupid roughing the passer. Then they can't even get a hand on Reed. Forget about the catch and run. They can't get a fucking hand on him to disrupt the timing. And after a dismal day, with an outside chance, they let the Skins kill most of the clock.
RE: this  
Enzo : 11/29/2015 4:31 pm : link
In comment 12650522 Eric from BBI said:
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sucks...I'm floored at how poorly we played.

really? Sort of seemed all too familiar to me.
feel bad for Schwartz  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 4:31 pm : link
but ti may give us a chance to see what Hart can do.
RE: 5 games to go  
FStubbs : 11/29/2015 4:31 pm : link
In comment 12650549 bc4life said:
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Philly is a definite loss. 9-7 is the best we can hope for.


Carolina is a definite loss as well.
RE: Eric  
mdc1 : 11/29/2015 4:31 pm : link
In comment 12650533 bc4life said:
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How much blame goes to TC for not having these guys ready to play?


All of it. You would think with that amount of time they could put up well executed game, not so. Very embarrassing. Shit we cannot even take advantage of all the gifting we have gotten this season, points from turnovers, beckham big plays, and 2 weeks prep time to close out a division opponent. Geez beat this guys and few others and we can literally back into the NFC east champion. Gutless bunch.
imho, I think Washington has this div  
micky : 11/29/2015 4:32 pm : link
Giants have car. and minny. 2 wins that are tough to ask for. So least 8 losses. Philly as shitty as they are, and I just can't even then trust the giants to win that considering how they are (injuries and mistakes) that's 9 losses. 7-9 win div? With tiebreaker to Washington now?
Harris is the Best Signing We Have Made in a Long Time ..  
Bluesbreaker : 11/29/2015 4:33 pm : link
good thing we have our $17 million special
Enzo : 4:16 pm : link : reply
teams ace back to field punts! What a fucking joke.

The Special Teams Coach Needs to go Over the situation
Before He steps on the Field ....
The Defense Can't Make stops when it Needs to ...
The Offense Looks Pretty Boring until we are behind .
Randle Redeemed himself to an Extent But Allowing
the DB step in Front for the Pick was a Killer
Bromley's so called late hit was lame while
Eli was Slammed time and time again ...
Look at the Final Play Two Guys Destroy him after
he releases the Ball cross Field game can't end on
a defensive penalty .....
We came out flat and never recovered sure we all
blame the Defense well deserved but they were on
the field the entire 1st half ...
Lastly we shouldn't lose to this bunch of Jack asses .
I love people blaming injuries,  
Logan56 : 11/29/2015 4:33 pm : link
As if every other team is not dealing with injuries. Hence the term "Team".

We did not lose this game because of injuries, we lost because our collective "Team" was not better then the other "Team".

Tough pill to swallow, because we all want to see this team win. We have many good pieces, but we are not going to get lucky here, the lack of depth will haunt us.
OL starters...  
jerseyboyLAX : 11/29/2015 4:33 pm : link
were sorely missed today...add in dumb mistakes and the potential to take a strong lead in the division is gone..
Aside Beckham  
BlueClaw : 11/29/2015 4:34 pm : link
we couldn't get any consistent play from the rest of our offensive skill players. Randle with the one lucky TD and the rest of the dayhe sucked ass. Harris gets hit and gives up the INT and then makes a bone head play at the end of the game catching the punt instead of letting it bounce out and that would up had us at the 25 with a little better field position.
Rashard Jennings does nothing, same for Andre Williams, both useless which may be due to our shitty oline but still. We really needed Vereen to make some plays and maybe bust one. Our o skill players suck.
Blame Eli but he had little to work with and that oline was getting him killled.
He still stood tall especially on that one 4th down play where he hung in there and stepped up into the pocket trusting our shitty oline. He just has a good sense of the pocket.
I don't blame Eli for this shit fest our oline and skill players aside from OBJ suck.
RE: this  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 11/29/2015 4:34 pm : link
In comment 12650522 Eric from BBI said:
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sucks...I'm floored at how poorly we played.


I said it before, we didn'w show up to play. Washington did. Beckham gave it his all, as did JPP and Price. Can't say anything about rest of the O or rest of the D. The team had fun together in the hot tub earlier in the week but didn't bring their A game or B game or even C minus game. Washington beat the crap out of us, despite the score.
Meriweather  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 4:34 pm : link
Packed a bad game to have a brain fart. You think you might not want to let Jackson get behind you?
RE: RE: Eric  
SethFromAstoria : 11/29/2015 4:35 pm : link
In comment 12650574 mdc1 said:
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In comment 12650533 bc4life said:


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How much blame goes to TC for not having these guys ready to play?



All of it. You would think with that amount of time they could put up well executed game, not so. Very embarrassing. Shit we cannot even take advantage of all the gifting we have gotten this season, points from turnovers, beckham big plays, and 2 weeks prep time to close out a division opponent. Geez beat this guys and few others and we can literally back into the NFC east champion. Gutless bunch.


all of it? Like...he was playing? I honestly don't think this luntic obsessive compulsive coach we have could have been more clear about being focused and ready and prepared, and then they came out and didn't do their jobs. In games like this I can't see how any coach wouldn't have their team prepared. The ramifications are obvious. They have to go out and not shit the bed. They did't collectively have enough with the injuries and the fuckups to win the game.
32 yards rushing  
M.S. : 11/29/2015 4:35 pm : link
Can't win too many games in the NFL like that!

well...  
yankees78 : 11/29/2015 4:36 pm : link
that was bad.
Giants beat themselves early  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 4:36 pm : link
Dropped pick 6, bad penalty stalling a drive, Newhouse being Newhouse, Meriweather letting Jackson get behind him. .
RE: I love people blaming injuries,  
micky : 11/29/2015 4:36 pm : link
In comment 12650582 Logan56 said:
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As if every other team is not dealing with injuries. Hence the term "Team".

We did not lose this game because of injuries, we lost because our collective "Team" was not better then the other "Team".

Tough pill to swallow, because we all want to see this team win. We have many good pieces, but we are not going to get lucky here, the lack of depth will haunt us.


Ummm when 3/5 of your starting ol are injured. It is injuries plus prone to mistakes by team and etc
Hey but everything is cool. We are still in the playoff hunt.....  
Reb8thVA : 11/29/2015 4:37 pm : link
Five games to go. We can do it!


Fuck that shit! This team routinely shows up small in big games. I can't believe how poorly they played. Year three of mediocrity and more and more holes to fill.

schwartz's career as a Giant is done. We still need to fix the right side of the OL.

We need a FS and CBs

We need another WR opposite of OBJ

We need a RB with some speed and consistency

And by God do we need a pass rush and another DT
jonny mara  
sundayatone : 11/29/2015 4:38 pm : link
cannot be happy
RE: RE: RE: Eric  
mdc1 : 11/29/2015 4:39 pm : link
In comment 12650597 SethFromAstoria said:
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In comment 12650574 mdc1 said:


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In comment 12650533 bc4life said:


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How much blame goes to TC for not having these guys ready to play?



All of it. You would think with that amount of time they could put up well executed game, not so. Very embarrassing. Shit we cannot even take advantage of all the gifting we have gotten this season, points from turnovers, beckham big plays, and 2 weeks prep time to close out a division opponent. Geez beat this guys and few others and we can literally back into the NFC east champion. Gutless bunch.



all of it? Like...he was playing? I honestly don't think this luntic obsessive compulsive coach we have could have been more clear about being focused and ready and prepared, and then they came out and didn't do their jobs. In games like this I can't see how any coach wouldn't have their team prepared. The ramifications are obvious. They have to go out and not shit the bed. They did't collectively have enough with the injuries and the fuckups to win the game.


More excuses, when results are needed.
After two terrible season of garbage football....  
Giants_West : 11/29/2015 4:39 pm : link
It seems like we have actually managed to get things moving in a slightly better direction only to find out that the same problems that were relegating us to mediocrity in seasons past, still haven't been solved. These flat performances are going to limit this team for as long as they keep happening. Has anyone seen anything from Coughlin over the past 7-8 seasons that suggests that is going to change? I think it is really time to move on before it is too late for eli. I mean if we still haven;'t moved past this then we have pretty much a 10 win cap on any season we go into and that assumes that everything else goes our way (which this season it most certainly hasn't).
odell just said  
sundayatone : 11/29/2015 4:39 pm : link
we were not fired up like wash
fans were kidding themselves  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 4:40 pm : link
just because a team can mathematically make the playoffs - does not make it a playoff caliber team.
I'm going to go sit on the toilet  
BlueClaw : 11/29/2015 4:40 pm : link
and take a massive post thanksgiving dump. Maybe I'll cry a little. Squeeze out that turkey and gravy and pumkin pie, gallon of gravy I ate.
I've got to shit out this loss and cleanse my bowels from the shit fest that the giants just made me watch.
A few days ago  
PhilD : 11/29/2015 4:41 pm : link
I said that this was a put up or shut up game.
In fact it was a DID NOT SHOW UP GAME. I hope this is enough for Mara so that Reese and Caughlin do not show up next year.
sunday  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 4:41 pm : link
that's just what you want to hear....we didn't give a fuck
They need to rebuild  
BigBlueCane : 11/29/2015 4:41 pm : link
both lines to have anything resembling a prayer in the future.

The one and only good news out of today is that they'll find out what they have in Hart before the season is over.
A huge problem on offense is that there's no other weapon besides  
chris r : 11/29/2015 4:42 pm : link
outside Beckham.

They force it to him and he's good enough to produce, but its not terrible efficient. They need someone to make teams pay for all the attention they give Beckham.
Giants have made strides in 2015  
M.S. : 11/29/2015 4:42 pm : link
From the real bad teams of 2013 and 2014.

The problem is that the strides we've made are not nearly enough!

This year has always had -- and still does-- the look and feel of a re- building year.

We need more talent at LOS both sides of the ball!


BBC  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 4:42 pm : link
Maybe not- when Pugh comes back, Jerry will probably play
RE: odell just said  
BlueClaw : 11/29/2015 4:42 pm : link
In comment 12650631 sundayatone said:
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we were not fired up like wash


THe kid has hearty and passion. I can't say that about the rest of the offense. Rashard jENNINGS? HE SUCKS SO DOES aNDRE wILLIAMS.
RE: odell just said  
mdc1 : 11/29/2015 4:42 pm : link
In comment 12650631 sundayatone said:
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we were not fired up like wash


sad, this is one of those games where you wish Parcells was standing on the sideline. He would not put up with this shit.
Stupid ass...  
kinard : 11/29/2015 4:42 pm : link
... defensive time out time-out on next to last play of third quarter (on first down). Again.

Wish we had that extra TO with two minutes left
RE: sunday  
sundayatone : 11/29/2015 4:43 pm : link
In comment 12650642 bc4life said:
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that's just what you want to hear....we didn't give a fuck


thats what odell said, not me.

Collins with 8 solo tackles, 2 TFL  
jeff57 : 11/29/2015 4:43 pm : link
.
Shit breaks with the OL  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 4:44 pm : link
Schwartz never really recovered - now he's gone and more importantly Beatty never came back. Wonder what the offense might have done minus those two losses, especially Beatty
Jay friggin Gruden  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 4:45 pm : link
has his guys fored up and Giants come out flat. Time to turn the freaking page.
RE: Giants have made strides in 2015  
Reb8thVA : 11/29/2015 4:45 pm : link
In comment 12650651 M.S. said:
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From the real bad teams of 2013 and 2014.

The problem is that the strides we've made are not nearly enough!

This year has always had -- and still does-- the look and feel of a re- building year.

We need more talent at LOS both sides of the ball!



This game is one of those barometers you use to gauge progress. You want to see a team show up play tough and aggressive make plays and void mental mistakes. That would give you confidence things are improving and the turn around is gainingg traction. This game was clearly a step backwards
Coughlin's biggest mistake was not handing the ball off to Jennings  
Reese's Pieces : 11/29/2015 4:46 pm : link
enough. Only six times. Every time Jennings gets the ball it's 2.3 yards in the bank.
...  
Cornman33 : 11/29/2015 4:46 pm : link
I always hear about how the Giants draft a certain personality and stay away from the bad seeds, but do we also have a propensity to draft stupid players, or is it the coaching staff that doesn't prepare them accordingly?

We are good for AT LEAST 2 "what the hell are you thinking?" plays/penalties a week. Today it was more...
RE: They need to rebuild  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/29/2015 4:47 pm : link
In comment 12650644 BigBlueCane said:
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both lines to have anything resembling a prayer in the future.

The one and only good news out of today is that they'll find out what they have in Hart before the season is over.
This is the truth
This is all on the moron who  
Ginny Poo : 11/29/2015 4:48 pm : link
Puts the players on the field. The lack of depth is alarming. Despite that TC had them playing tough. Reese needs to go immediately if not sooner. He's an inept empty suit.
This was the season/divisional title game  
spike : 11/29/2015 4:48 pm : link
And they fuckin didnt show up
3 TO's, 3 2nd string Olinemen, and 32 yards rushing...  
Tom in NY : 11/29/2015 4:49 pm : link
yet Washington won this game only by 6 points.
If I was one of their coaches and/or fans, that would be a big red flare to me.

The Giants dug too big of a hole early in this game to dig themselves out of, and didn't have the Oline to make the comeback either.

If Pugh and Richburg can't comeback and play effectively next week, this pattern may repeat itself.
Nuthin good  
jintsjunkie : 11/29/2015 4:50 pm : link
ever comes out of Washington.
RE: Collins with 8 solo tackles, 2 TFL  
JPinstripes : 11/29/2015 4:50 pm : link
In comment 12650662 jeff57 said:
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Collins was very good today in the box.
RE: Coughlin's biggest mistake was not handing the ball off to Jennings  
chris r : 11/29/2015 4:51 pm : link
In comment 12650679 Reese's Pieces said:
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enough. Only six times. Every time Jennings gets the ball it's 2.3 yards in the bank.


I lol'd.
RE: feel bad for Schwartz  
JPinstripes : 11/29/2015 4:51 pm : link
In comment 12650569 bc4life said:
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but ti may give us a chance to see what Hart can do.


Hart played a good game today, curious to see more. I would like to see him replace Newhouse when Richberg and/or Pugh return.
RE: odell just said  
Devon : 11/29/2015 4:52 pm : link
In comment 12650631 sundayatone said:
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we were not fired up like wash


Players say this type of thing every time they lose. Someday fans will realize it and not put much credence to it.

They didn't lose because lack of effort and fire today -- they clearly were giving it whatever they had. They lost because they were undermanned, seemingly unprepared idiots.
MDC1  
SethFromAstoria : 11/29/2015 4:53 pm : link
Do you just view everything like some sort of robot with a black option and a white option? I don't care you think the "excuses" are legit. At some point excuses become reasons. You just are one of these people who sees a bad loss and says fire people. YOu think TC just ho hummed his way through these 2 weeks? The guy probably drummed the importance of the game into the team a thousand times a day. You can't force grown men who are pro athletes to play with focus and desire.
OBJ need to stop making those sick catches  
SHO'NUFF : 11/29/2015 4:54 pm : link
we lose everytime be does that.
I am hearing some people here say...  
EricJ : 11/29/2015 4:54 pm : link
that Coughlin did everything he could to prepare the team to win this game. Now, one can argue that the scheme was wrong but lets table that for a minute.

If he did everything he could but the players are unable to execute, then is this really coming down to roster building and player selection? I know there are injuries, but the players who are making the mistakes (or not making the plays) are the starters.

We have Randle who has always played like an undrafted free agent and not like a guy we should have spent a high draft pick on. BBI want to dump Collins already although I am not giving up on him. Our TE situation is the bed that we made. We really don't have a starting #1 RB on this team. The O-line was patchwork coming into the season even before injuries.

Leadership... we really don't have any. Especially on defense. Yes, Eli is a leader but we also need someone like Strahan who would make others accountable. There is no heart.
RE: RE: feel bad for Schwartz  
giantgiantfan : 11/29/2015 4:55 pm : link
In comment 12650713 JPinstripes said:
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In comment 12650569 bc4life said:


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but ti may give us a chance to see what Hart can do.



Hart played a good game today, curious to see more. I would like to see him replace Newhouse when Richberg and/or Pugh return.


I'm so tired of Schwartz has he EVER been healthy since he was signed here? Please part ways with him and Beason and Cruz has now not played in over a year. Time to make a decision with him.
bc4life  
BigBlueCane : 11/29/2015 4:55 pm : link
Pugh now has a concussion history and Newhouse is back-up material at best.

And I was never a fan of Schwartz to begin with.

The reality of the situation is as I told Colin (and everyone else) is that WR's are a lot easier to replace and develop then Linemen, on either side of the ball.

Harris has been arguably out-playing the other WR's and he was a ST signing.
RE: Washington came to play today  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 4:56 pm : link
In comment 12649534 Bold Ruler said:
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We, on the other hand are totally unprepared. Getting outplayed, out coached. We have seen this countless times. But injuries will excuse all of this I'm sure.


Injuries are real things that have a direct impact on the level play. If players didn't matter why bother with a draft?
if Rueben Randle lays out like OBJ did  
SHO'NUFF : 11/29/2015 4:56 pm : link
we would've won the New Orleans game, and that catch was half the degree of difficulty.
Of course it's roster building more than coaching  
SethFromAstoria : 11/29/2015 4:59 pm : link
and of course injuries do matter as reasons not excuses when they are at positions like O Line and D Line and QB. The Giants don't have a TE...think they could use a good one? They had 4th string OL today and 32 yards rushing. Eli literally had no running game to confuse a defense. THey have no LB's. THey have a thin D-Line. And they have guys all over the field dropping balls. So yeah it's a problem that the roster is missing key players and key positions.
RE: I am hearing some people here say...  
JPinstripes : 11/29/2015 5:01 pm : link
In comment 12650726 EricJ said:
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that Coughlin did everything he could to prepare the team to win this game. Now, one can argue that the scheme was wrong but lets table that for a minute.

If he did everything he could but the players are unable to execute, then is this really coming down to roster building and player selection? I know there are injuries, but the players who are making the mistakes (or not making the plays) are the starters.

We have Randle who has always played like an undrafted free agent and not like a guy we should have spent a high draft pick on. BBI want to dump Collins already although I am not giving up on him. Our TE situation is the bed that we made. We really don't have a starting #1 RB on this team. The O-line was patchwork coming into the season even before injuries.

Leadership... we really don't have any. Especially on defense. Yes, Eli is a leader but we also need someone like Strahan who would make others accountable. There is no heart.


This Giants team has the worst Defensive line of any Giants team in the last 10-15 years and it's not even close. A complete overhaul is needed except for Hankins and Wynn as a rotational player. They should sign both Kerrigan and Curry this off season.
The  
spike : 11/29/2015 5:01 pm : link
Jets and Dolphins games are must wins.

Then try our luck against Minnesota and the dead and out Eagles

We will lose vs Carolina
....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2015 5:02 pm : link
The team didn't lose because of a lack of desire. They had repeated sloppy play and had some of their mediocre players (Hosley, Meriweather) get beat with injury replacements underperforming. A lot of blame to go around. Lack of desire isn't one of them.
Carolina and Minnesota are losses at this point  
BigBlueCane : 11/29/2015 5:03 pm : link
Likely so is the Jets game unless something else happens.

RE: craig dahl on jordan reed  
Simms11 : 11/29/2015 5:03 pm : link
In comment 12650508 Gmen108021 said:
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?!?!? are you fucking kidding me?!?! make dahl play center field put collins on reed...best on best not best on a srub ass safety who is lucky to be on a roster


Would have probably been ok, if he could have gotten a jam on him, but Reed is like a WR and Dhal is just not fleet a foot!
RE: This is all on the moron who  
sundayatone : 11/29/2015 5:03 pm : link
In comment 12650685 Ginny Poo said:
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Puts the players on the field. The lack of depth is alarming. Despite that TC had them playing tough. Reese needs to go immediately if not sooner. He's an inept empty suit.


maybe reese needs to put them back on notice.
I'd like to see Geremy Davis  
beatrixkiddo : 11/29/2015 5:04 pm : link
as well. Kid is the same size as Randle, but he actually plays tough. You need to see what he has at this point, because Randle has played himself off the team in the future. Just way to soft, he would do better in canada or in arena football.

This team needs a new coach and some new staff.I'm still of the persuasion that Reese deserves to pick the next HC. The point remains that the Giants have been their own biggest obstacle over the past couple years, this team shoots itself in the foot way to often, and makes poor decisions always at critical moments. They play undiciplined, and I've had enough of it.
RE: ....  
SethFromAstoria : 11/29/2015 5:05 pm : link
In comment 12650751 BrettNYG10 said:
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The team didn't lose because of a lack of desire. They had repeated sloppy play and had some of their mediocre players (Hosley, Meriweather) get beat with injury replacements underperforming. A lot of blame to go around. Lack of desire isn't one of them.


Desire was there mostly...intensity not as much. Think about this for a second...

On a day when we ran 13 times, and Eli threw 51 times, Ruben Randle had one catch. 1 catch by your number 2 receiver out of 51 passes.
I agree,  
Essex : 11/29/2015 5:06 pm : link
I thought desire was the least of our concerns.
I know the OL is a mess right now  
djm : 11/29/2015 5:07 pm : link
But can this team please bring in a talented RB next season? No more fucking journeymen or scat backs or grinders. I'm sick of this shit. They tried with wikson and failed. Try again for fucks sake.
RE: RE: ....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2015 5:08 pm : link
In comment 12650765 SethFromAstoria said:
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In comment 12650751 BrettNYG10 said:


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The team didn't lose because of a lack of desire. They had repeated sloppy play and had some of their mediocre players (Hosley, Meriweather) get beat with injury replacements underperforming. A lot of blame to go around. Lack of desire isn't one of them.



Desire was there mostly...intensity not as much. Think about this for a second...

On a day when we ran 13 times, and Eli threw 51 times, Ruben Randle had one catch. 1 catch by your number 2 receiver out of 51 passes.


He seems to lack focus and discipline. It's very frustrating.
The biggest game of their season and the Jints showed up small!  
213374 : 11/29/2015 5:08 pm : link
There are so many things wrong with this team one of which is the play calling. Slamming RB's into the middle of the line behind second string slugs just won't work! No pass rush and refusing to blitz, is Spags afraid to get beat deep?
The way the Jints use Vereen is criminal, go back and watch the films from his time with the Pats! Seasons not over by a long shot, but this game today made the hill look like a mountain.
I don't know if it has been mentioned  
Chris L. : 11/29/2015 5:09 pm : link
the first inexcusable stupid play of the day was Eli once again letting the play clock run out. Has there ever been a pro team in HISTORY who had more problems with what should be a simple thing????? One of many problems that never seems to get fixed.
seth  
beatrixkiddo : 11/29/2015 5:10 pm : link
RR was also going against an undrafted FA CB, starting unexpectedly after Culliver went down. Just to add more insult to injury.

RR has played himself out of a future contract with this team, he is just way to soft for the NFL.
if you think about it,  
Essex : 11/29/2015 5:11 pm : link
Making the playoffs is going to be tough. If The Redskins go 3-2 , we would have to go 4-1, to win division. They have two games against romp less cowboys, so that is 2 right there.With our schedule, it is looking bleek.
Oh I forgot to mention  
Chris L. : 11/29/2015 5:11 pm : link
Eli didn't even realize the clock was running out.
Live by the turnover, die by the turnover.  
Reese's Pieces : 11/29/2015 5:12 pm : link
Main reason the Giants were 5-5 was their big +12 in turnovers. Today their luck changed. Two deflected passes went right to Redskins. Eli throws another pick at a bad time that was on him. And DRC couldn't hold on to a pick six.

Don't blame the Giants too much for this game. Skins were lucky to get two picks bu deflections.

The defense is still mostly young and inexperienced. When things start to go wrong, it doesn't have the experience under fire to keep its cool and confidence.
RE: RE: I am hearing some people here say...  
Simms11 : 11/29/2015 5:12 pm : link
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that Coughlin did everything he could to prepare the team to win this game. Now, one can argue that the scheme was wrong but lets table that for a minute.

If he did everything he could but the players are unable to execute, then is this really coming down to roster building and player selection? I know there are injuries, but the players who are making the mistakes (or not making the plays) are the starters.

We have Randle who has always played like an undrafted free agent and not like a guy we should have spent a high draft pick on. BBI want to dump Collins already although I am not giving up on him. Our TE situation is the bed that we made. We really don't have a starting #1 RB on this team. The O-line was patchwork coming into the season even before injuries.

Leadership... we really don't have any. Especially on defense. Yes, Eli is a leader but we also need someone like Strahan who would make others accountable. There is no heart.



This Giants team has the worst Defensive line of any Giants team in the last 10-15 years and it's not even close. A complete overhaul is needed except for Hankins and Wynn as a rotational player. They should sign both Kerrigan and Curry this off season.


I agree with you hole heartedly about the Dline, however Kerrigan is probably not the answer as he's a LB in a 3-4, unless you think he could make the switch to a 4-3, if we are still paying a 4-3'next year that is.
RE: I'd like to see Geremy Davis  
AcidTest : 11/29/2015 5:16 pm : link
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as well. Kid is the same size as Randle, but he actually plays tough. You need to see what he has at this point, because Randle has played himself off the team in the future. Just way to soft, he would do better in canada or in arena football.

This team needs a new coach and some new staff.I'm still of the persuasion that Reese deserves to pick the next HC. The point remains that the Giants have been their own biggest obstacle over the past couple years, this team shoots itself in the foot way to often, and makes poor decisions always at critical moments. They play undiciplined, and I've had enough of it.


I'd like to see more of Davis as well. He also plays ST. But the fact that Nicks was active and he was not could be an indication that the coaches don't think he's ready.
Face it  
old man : 11/29/2015 5:41 pm : link
Team TC has out there sucks.
I have concerns on Pughs health; GS and MN were non factors this year; our D is non descript. and scares nobody.
For most of the year they looked like the better of the '64-81 teams.
And we are a NFL -level slow team. And we may have FO&HC changes.
Not to mention the eminent medical and training staffs.
And Goodell is not stepping in to turn this around.
It took 6 drafts for JR to finally address OL and he still avoids LBs and TEs like the plague.
This mess is on JR. and staff. With contributions from coaching and players.
Oh yea and !  
LeftHook : 11/29/2015 5:48 pm : link
Newhouse Sucks, lol
RE: Collins with 8 solo tackles, 2 TFL  
Emil : 11/29/2015 5:55 pm : link
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I thought this was his best game. He is an in-the-box safety in the NFL, and the team needs a true FS to pair with him.
for some reason  
fkap : 11/29/2015 5:58 pm : link
Randle doesn't get throws his way on a regular basis. people here have said it, game announcers have said it. the coaches have said it (they have to force Eli to look Randle's way). Eli simply doesn't like Randle as a receiver. I don't blame Randle for getting lazy. If you get open as much as people say Randle does, and not get thrown to, you could get a bit lackadaisical.
OBJ 9-142  
Carl in CT : 11/29/2015 6:02 pm : link
And Tye (yes Tye 6-74) and no one else doing shit! Randle 1 catch, Davis is not ready? A sixth rounder not ready? But Tye an undrafted FA is balling? Problem I have there is soooooo much to do this offseason, with evaluations, and needed player signings and I don't know if we have the right guys in place. JR waiting to sign players at bargain basement discounts is not going to cut it. We need so much we need to be aggressive and a new coach who can bring some talent with him would help. Frustrated I got nothing else but Frustrated!
I don't think the LG-C-RG combo  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 11/29/2015 6:08 pm : link
was ideal going in.

The Schwartz injury compounded the interior problems.

Would have though a more uptempo spread attack would have been the solution.
RE: OBJ 9-142  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 11/29/2015 6:08 pm : link
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And Tye (yes Tye 6-74) and no one else doing shit! Randle 1 catch, Davis is not ready? A sixth rounder not ready? But Tye an undrafted FA is balling? Problem I have there is soooooo much to do this offseason, with evaluations, and needed player signings and I don't know if we have the right guys in place. JR waiting to sign players at bargain basement discounts is not going to cut it. We need so much we need to be aggressive and a new coach who can bring some talent with him would help. Frustrated I got nothing else but Frustrated!

Remember that Tye's numbers were inflated by the last drive or so.
Damage was already done.
RE: for some reason  
BlueClaw : 11/29/2015 6:32 pm : link
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Randle doesn't get throws his way on a regular basis. people here have said it, game announcers have said it. the coaches have said it (they have to force Eli to look Randle's way). Eli simply doesn't like Randle as a receiver. I don't blame Randle for getting lazy. If you get open as much as people say Randle does, and not get thrown to, you could get a bit lackadaisical.



What? You don't blame him for being lazy?
There is no defending randle. He flat out sucks. Face reality my friend.
Maybe eli doesn't like throwing to randle because he sucks and runs lazy routes and the route incorrectly.
Daryl Johnston even pointed it out. We all can see it. Randle ran the route too short and the ball went over his head. He is out of place consistently and the ball is coming but he's in the wrong spot.
Sounds like you don't want to blame randle but eli instead.
A completely pathetic performance by the team.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/29/2015 6:46 pm : link
The defense was bad and still managed to make the game winnable with a professional effort by the offense. I honestly don't even give a shit about Schwartz... he's earned less of his money than any FA I can remember in a long time. The Skins punked the receivers by playing tight man to man and daring them to get open. On the rare occasions they did, Eli didn't see them.

PLEASE REPLACE ALL 3 STARTING LBs.

DRC misses one motherf'n series and it's 1 play because Hosley gives up a bomb. What a useless player.

Hosley, Donnell, and Randle's continued presence on this team is such a massive indictment of the depth/talent on this roster.
expect to see much of the same next season too  
bbfanva : 11/29/2015 6:51 pm : link
because this team still refuses to address the two positions that matter most in the 2015/2016 NFL, linebacker and TE. Until those positions are addressed, they will lose games like this and live like the rest of the 7 win teams, hoping for another team to lose instead of winning.

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CoughlinHandsonHips : 11/29/2015 8:02 pm : link
So where are the Giants holes at for this off season?

Offense:
RG, RT, TE, WR2 need new players who aren't on the roster.

Defense:
LE, RE, DT, Weakside LB, Middle LB, FS need replacements who aren't on the roster. Prince is injury prone. DRC is a warrior but I'd imagine he's going to start breaking down. The cupboard is bare beyond them.

These losses would be easier to take if there was intriguing young talent waiting in the wings or experiencing a learning curve (collins, flowers for example). There are so many holes on this roster that they'll have to start from scratch with new bodies. What a mess.
RE: RE: Collins with 8 solo tackles, 2 TFL  
Matt M. : 11/29/2015 8:41 pm : link
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I thought this was his best game. He is an in-the-box safety in the NFL, and the team needs a true FS to pair with him.
Collins is having a decent rookie year. The problem isn't so much, him, as it is that they have no FS. They are all SS on this roster. Merriweather has done a decent overall job this season, but once or twice a game either he or Collins is exposed in a coverage that neither would normally be asked to make.
RE: A completely pathetic performance by the team.  
Matt M. : 11/29/2015 8:44 pm : link
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The defense was bad and still managed to make the game winnable with a professional effort by the offense. I honestly don't even give a shit about Schwartz... he's earned less of his money than any FA I can remember in a long time. The Skins punked the receivers by playing tight man to man and daring them to get open. On the rare occasions they did, Eli didn't see them.

PLEASE REPLACE ALL 3 STARTING LBs.

DRC misses one motherf'n series and it's 1 play because Hosley gives up a bomb. What a useless player.

Hosley, Donnell, and Randle's continued presence on this team is such a massive indictment of the depth/talent on this roster.
The real fault on that bomb, though, was Merriweather. He took a terrible angle and was underneath Jackson on a deep ball. If he takes a deep angle, he could potentially be there to defend the pass. Instead, he takes an angle underneath the play and is then playing catch up. At this point, it has happened to a handful of different S and a CB or two on this team. I think it is a coaching issue.
RE: 3 TO's, 3 2nd string Olinemen, and 32 yards rushing...  
Matt M. : 11/29/2015 8:45 pm : link
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yet Washington won this game only by 6 points.
If I was one of their coaches and/or fans, that would be a big red flare to me.

The Giants dug too big of a hole early in this game to dig themselves out of, and didn't have the Oline to make the comeback either.

If Pugh and Richburg can't comeback and play effectively next week, this pattern may repeat itself.
The Giants didn't dig too big a hole early. The two INTs sucked, but they walked away 0-0 from them. They stopped blitzing in the 2nd quarter on D and went away from Jennings and Vereen, which was working a bit early.
More and more, I like McAdoo's system  
Matt M. : 11/29/2015 8:47 pm : link
but not so much his playcalling and personnel moves. This RB by committee is stupid already. Jennings opened the game looking decent, as did Vereen. Then, they get backed up and insert Williams for no good reason. He is the worst RB on the team and has not excelled in short yardage, so at this stage of the season WTF does he bring to the table backed up near the end zone? If you are going to switch, at least go with Darkwa. But, I say why switch at all?
No.....  
Doomster : 11/29/2015 9:57 pm : link
The real fault on that bomb, though, was Merriweather. He took a terrible angle and was underneath Jackson on a deep ball. If he takes a deep angle, he could potentially be there to defend the pass. Instead, he takes an angle underneath the play and is then playing catch up. At this point, it has happened to a handful of different S and a CB or two on this team. I think it is a coaching issue.


Merriweather is no rookie......It's a matter of talent, or in the case of the Giants, lack thereof....there is not one good free safety on this team......we didn't get one in the offseason, or in the draft(and please, don't tell me Berhe or Thompson was the answer), to fill this roster...
Doomster  
Matt M. : 11/29/2015 10:38 pm : link
The fact that this isn't a rookie we are talking about and that it has happened every week with about 5 or 6 different players, I think this is a problem with a scheme.
Incidentally, did anyone catch how Hart looked?  
Matt M. : 11/29/2015 10:58 pm : link
I didn't really hear his name, which is usually a good thing when a deep reserve OL is in a game. But, then again, that could just be the result of Newhouse completely shitting the bed when he was in.
Doomster: It's hard to assess the team's planning at free safety...  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/30/2015 1:28 am : link
...when the first three options all went down before the season started.

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There is not one good free safety on this team......we didn't get one in the offseason, or in the draft(and please, don't tell me Berhe or Thompson was the answer), to fill this roster...

Skepticism about Berhe is justified, and I doubt Thompson would have been ready for prime time either. The guy Merritt seemed highest on was Bennett Jackson. Granted, he was coming off microfracture surgery and a position change, but he was the starter when he went down. Neither Berhe nor Thompson ever really got into the picture.
RE: RE: A completely pathetic performance by the team.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/30/2015 2:31 am : link
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The real fault on that bomb, though, was Merriweather. He took a terrible angle and was underneath Jackson on a deep ball. If he takes a deep angle, he could potentially be there to defend the pass. Instead, he takes an angle underneath the play and is then playing catch up. At this point, it has happened to a handful of different S and a CB or two on this team. I think it is a coaching issue.


It looks like Hosley was supposed to bump Jackson near/at the LOS, but instead, he gets a free release. I'm not saying Meriweather is without blame, but it's no coincidence that the Skins hit their lone big downfield pass THE SECOND Hosley entered the game in place of a starter.
still can't get over comments post game  
micky : 11/30/2015 6:40 am : link
"Slept walked through game" TC, OBJ "played flat" as others as well.
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