The lack of a consistent running game has hurt this team for a couple of years. Injuries and lack of talent on the OL is keeping this offense from playing consistent football. I hope we add the talent this offseason. The Redskins are not a good football team but neither are the Giants. Skins are the new favorite to win the division. That will probably change. I had low expectation for our team this season. They have lost a lot of close games but are about what I expected. Not making the playoffs again with this team was a long shot from the get go.
Giants probably end up 7-9.
After this season, Mara gets to decide what to do with the head coach and his $80M investment, Should be interesting.
Sixty years a fan.
The other decisions should be easy, it was time to let the staff and front office go last year, should be a no brainer this year.
Doesn't mean he will do it, but thats what should happen
The other decisions should be easy, it was time to let the staff and front office go last year, should be a no brainer this year.
Doesn't mean he will do it, but thats what should happen
agree mook
We're looking at at least two more years of rebuilding if we have to start ALL over again next year.
I love TC, and don't wanna see him go out like a chump, but somehow major changes need to occur without destroying the things that could work better with better talent.
Even though he didn't play that well today, the only problem with Eli is that the team likely may not be good enough soon enough for him to be the solution/part of the solution, given his age vs their issues that don't seem to be getting remedied.
Eli is the QB next year, and unless he shits the bed, the year after.
the decision is what to do with TC, the assistants, Reese, and whatever the braintrust is that is drafting/making personnel decisions. that includes his brother.
Are you TC's agent or a Giants fan?
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Nor should there be
Are you TC's agent or a Giants fan?
Huge fan who knows coaching changes rarely work out
State your reasons why their should be no changes. Ready 3 2 1 go!!!!
Huge fan who knows coaching changes rarely work out
So hiring Belichek, Walsh, and Carroll did not work out?
How would it be to appease fans? When is change appropriate in professional sports? Enlighten us.
I happen to agree that TC is not going anywhere unless he chooses to. Lifetime appointment.
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on Eli, he's our quarterback and we're damn lucky to have him.
The other decisions should be easy, it was time to let the staff and front office go last year, should be a no brainer this year.
Doesn't mean he will do it, but thats what should happen
agree mook
So yet another OC for Eli and the O?
How do you determine that a team is poorly coached?
Are you a member of the "Tom Coughlin has earned the right to coach for as long as he wants, and then he will move to a senior management position" wing of Giants fans?
Do you realize how hard it is to find a coach that can win 2 SBs? Do you know the odds of the next coach being a SB winner? The vast majority of coaches fail.
I'm not debating this, it's a waste of time. I believe the odds of Mara making a change are miniscule so it's a moot anyway.
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Belichick 15? For every Walsh there are about 100 failures. Change to appease fans is a recipe for failure
Are you a member of the "Tom Coughlin has earned the right to coach for as long as he wants, and then he will move to a senior management position" wing of Giants fans?
You have a 4-5 year Eli window left, the biggest mistake that could be made would be making a change with that much time left, especially with regards to the OC.
... oh, wait. They're already not any good, haven't been for years, and already are wasting what is supposed to be the window a franchise QB provides.
In comment 12651243 shabu said:
Eli's the $80M investment.
RE: Mara - not so sure I have great confidence in a guy who thought Jernigan was a real football player
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Belichick 15? For every Walsh there are about 100 failures. Change to appease fans is a recipe for failure
Are you a member of the "Tom Coughlin has earned the right to coach for as long as he wants, and then he will move to a senior management position" wing of Giants fans?
You have a 4-5 year Eli window left, the biggest mistake that could be made would be making a change with that much time left, especially with regards to the OC.
Quite the contrary, if Eli does have 4-5 years of good playing left in him -- he may not, but let's say he does -- isn't that the very reason you need to make a coaching change right now, so that hopefully we'll have 2-3 years of title run at the end of Eli's career?
Otherwise, it can only mean that there shall be no change of coaching staff for the next 4-5 years, no matter the results on the field, because your reasoning of not disrupting Eli's career will always remain valid.
Good grief. I hope not.
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Belichick 15? For every Walsh there are about 100 failures. Change to appease fans is a recipe for failure
Are you a member of the "Tom Coughlin has earned the right to coach for as long as he wants, and then he will move to a senior management position" wing of Giants fans?
You have a 4-5 year Eli window left, the biggest mistake that could be made would be making a change with that much time left, especially with regards to the OC.
well this and also he is a great player and likely Hall of Famer who will play his whole career with one franchise. ANd when I say play his whole career I mean literally take every snap in every game for over a decade for one team, including playoff games and 2 Super Bowls.
You can lump me in with Dep or whoever else you guys think is off his rocker when it comes to Eli Manning. He is the single consistently good reason to watch this team and hope they can win any game he plays in. He's so far and away the best player over the last 10 years its ridiculous, and also the best player we had since Lawrence Taylor. Gets the nod over Strahan. Sorry.
Thank goodness we have the guy on our team. One say soon we will surround him with smart, ferocious, focused and dedicated players all around him on offense. And secure a line that can provide a running game to at least suggest the Giants MIGHT run the ball, and one that will protect him to ensure his health and ability to pick apart defenses when given any time whatsoever.
My fear (if Reese was fired) that Chris Mara would get the job.
I really do not see any major changes. Like I said earlier, John Mara prefers no change. Any changes will be insignificant (ie firing an assistant or two)
So a new coach is going to fix the issues with injuries and personnel? Or will that coach be like most new coaches and be fired in 3 years?
So tired of this way of thinking. What have you seen in last 4 years that makes you think Giants are well-coached? Is it repeated inability to finish games? Is it development of young players? In-game adjustments? Time management? Please tell me.
We're looking at at least two more years of rebuilding if we have to start ALL over again next year.
I love TC, and don't wanna see him go out like a chump, but somehow major changes need to occur without destroying the things that could work better with better talent.
There's always a possibility, if McAdoo is not offered the job that he gets asked to stay on too. There are also other coaches that could use many if the same aspects of this offense too. I wouldn't be that concerned. Peyton stepped into a new offense in Denver and took off.
You can argue that teams that come out flat and/or unprepared and flat out dumb as these Giants have been for the bulk of TC's tenure is the definition of "poorly coached". Just saying....
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as said before, is maintaining the system. I like our offensive system. I like our defensive system. I like both coaches there. Those need to stay, and MacAdoo and Spags would be crushing it with better talent to work with.
We're looking at at least two more years of rebuilding if we have to start ALL over again next year.
I love TC, and don't wanna see him go out like a chump, but somehow major changes need to occur without destroying the things that could work better with better talent.
There's always a possibility, if McAdoo is not offered the job that he gets asked to stay on too. There are also other coaches that could use many if the same aspects of this offense too. I wouldn't be that concerned. Peyton stepped into a new offense in Denver and took off.
I hope you are right. But I think Peyton is a bad example. He pretty much brought his offense to Denver. Now, I'm all for doing the same with Eli. The Giants should just ask Eli want offense he wants to run.
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Belichick 15? For every Walsh there are about 100 failures. Change to appease fans is a recipe for failure
Are you a member of the "Tom Coughlin has earned the right to coach for as long as he wants, and then he will move to a senior management position" wing of Giants fans?
You have a 4-5 year Eli window left, the biggest mistake that could be made would be making a change with that much time left, especially with regards to the OC.
Quite the contrary, if Eli does have 4-5 years of good playing left in him -- he may not, but let's say he does -- isn't that the very reason you need to make a coaching change right now, so that hopefully we'll have 2-3 years of title run at the end of Eli's career?
Otherwise, it can only mean that there shall be no change of coaching staff for the next 4-5 years, no matter the results on the field, because your reasoning of not disrupting Eli's career will always remain valid.
Good grief. I hope not.
If a coaching change has to be made, then it has to be this year. Time is ticking
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Belichick 15? For every Walsh there are about 100 failures. Change to appease fans is a recipe for failure
Are you a member of the "Tom Coughlin has earned the right to coach for as long as he wants, and then he will move to a senior management position" wing of Giants fans?
You have a 4-5 year Eli window left, the biggest mistake that could be made would be making a change with that much time left, especially with regards to the OC.
Quite the contrary, if Eli does have 4-5 years of good playing left in him -- he may not, but let's say he does -- isn't that the very reason you need to make a coaching change right now, so that hopefully we'll have 2-3 years of title run at the end of Eli's career?
Otherwise, it can only mean that there shall be no change of coaching staff for the next 4-5 years, no matter the results on the field, because your reasoning of not disrupting Eli's career will always remain valid.
Good grief. I hope not.
So you want to waste another two years of it for him to learn a new system? It's not happening and that is a good thing even though fickle fans may not realize it
So you want to waste another two years of it for him to learn a new system? It's not happening and that is a good thing even though fickle fans may not realize it
"Waste another two year of Eli to learn a new system..."
For you to make this statement, one of the following two have to true:
(1) Eli did NOT quickly grasp and prosper in a brand new system installed less than 20 months ago, thus "wasting" his prime; or (2) Eli did great, and his great performance was NOT wasted by the terrible talents and coaching around him the last two years. The team has had good results to commensurate with the QB's good performance.
Which of those two statements were true in your world? Neither was in mine.
Eli already did very well very quickly in a very new system, and it's the Giants's inertia to change other parts of the team that already wasted another two years in him!! There is no if about it.
My fear (if Reese was fired) that Chris Mara would get the job.
I really do not see any major changes. Like I said earlier, John Mara prefers no change. Any changes will be insignificant (ie firing an assistant or two)
Chris Mara would never get the job, nor do I think he would want it. I'm sure he collects a nice paycheck as it is, and he has basically no pressure from media or fans on him. They would never put him in a position that they potentially had to fire him from.
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So you want to waste another two years of it for him to learn a new system? It's not happening and that is a good thing even though fickle fans may not realize it
"Waste another two year of Eli to learn a new system..."
For you to make this statement, one of the following two have to true:
(1) Eli did NOT quickly grasp and prosper in a brand new system installed less than 20 months ago, thus "wasting" his prime; or (2) Eli did great, and his great performance was NOT wasted by the terrible talents and coaching around him the last two years. The team has had good results to commensurate with the QB's good performance.
Which of those two statements were true in your world? Neither was in mine.
Eli already did very well very quickly in a very new system, and it's the Giants's inertia to change other parts of the team that already wasted another two years in him!! There is no if about it.
Both of your scenarios are wrong on multiple levels, besides the fact they ignore rational thought.
If the talent is at fault, how do you expect any coach to succeed? Any new system takes time to learn and adjust to by all players. This is not Madden 2015, this is real world and making a complete overhaul will take time to adjust to