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Mara's time is coming soon

joe48 : 11/29/2015 5:53 pm
The lack of a consistent running game has hurt this team for a couple of years. Injuries and lack of talent on the OL is keeping this offense from playing consistent football. I hope we add the talent this offseason. The Redskins are not a good football team but neither are the Giants. Skins are the new favorite to win the division. That will probably change. I had low expectation for our team this season. They have lost a lot of close games but are about what I expected. Not making the playoffs again with this team was a long shot from the get go.

Giants probably end up 7-9.

After this season, Mara gets to decide what to do with the head coach and his $80M investment, Should be interesting.

Sixty years a fan.
there is no decision  
MookGiants : 11/29/2015 5:57 pm : link
on Eli, he's our quarterback and we're damn lucky to have him.

The other decisions should be easy, it was time to let the staff and front office go last year, should be a no brainer this year.

Doesn't mean he will do it, but thats what should happen
So they're going to possibly part way with Eli?  
RC02XX : 11/29/2015 5:58 pm : link
Those 60 years didn't teach you the importance of a franchise QB?
but macadoos kids need to attend  
sundayatone : 11/29/2015 6:00 pm : link
good schools.so jonny/freddo mara will not make any changes due to the fact they think the team plays hard for tommy.
RE: there is no decision  
micky : 11/29/2015 6:01 pm : link
In comment 12650958 MookGiants said:
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on Eli, he's our quarterback and we're damn lucky to have him.

The other decisions should be easy, it was time to let the staff and front office go last year, should be a no brainer this year.

Doesn't mean he will do it, but thats what should happen



agree mook
The main problem with a staff/coaching turnover  
GiantSteps : 11/29/2015 6:01 pm : link
as said before, is maintaining the system. I like our offensive system. I like our defensive system. I like both coaches there. Those need to stay, and MacAdoo and Spags would be crushing it with better talent to work with.

We're looking at at least two more years of rebuilding if we have to start ALL over again next year.

I love TC, and don't wanna see him go out like a chump, but somehow major changes need to occur without destroying the things that could work better with better talent.
The Giants made their decision on Eli already this past offseason.  
Devon : 11/29/2015 6:01 pm : link
There's no "interest" there unless you think the team is going to eat $50M in dead money.

Even though he didn't play that well today, the only problem with Eli is that the team likely may not be good enough soon enough for him to be the solution/part of the solution, given his age vs their issues that don't seem to be getting remedied.
The age..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/29/2015 6:02 pm : link
of senility seems to be upon us.
Mara made his decision  
fkap : 11/29/2015 6:04 pm : link
when he extended Eli prior to this year. a decision I didn't agree with (thought he should have waited to see what he did this year).

Eli is the QB next year, and unless he shits the bed, the year after.

the decision is what to do with TC, the assistants, Reese, and whatever the braintrust is that is drafting/making personnel decisions. that includes his brother.
There will be no changes  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 6:08 pm : link
Nor should there be
60 years a fan  
Ajd0452 : 11/29/2015 6:09 pm : link
Do you watch the nfl?? If you think ELI is the problem you should switch your allegiance to one of the 17 other teams that have NO QB. How do the teams that have been searching for qb for years do? Why do you worry about the 80million? There are a handful of people in this world that posess a certain skill set to be a franchise QB. ELI IS ONE OF THEM SO he's gonna get paid. Deal with it.
Moron Alert  
PaulN : 11/29/2015 6:09 pm : link
Team extends QB for a long time and he wants to know what Mara is going to do with him. He is going to put him on his knee and tell him a good night story. LOL! Unfuckingreal!
RE: There will be no changes  
Essex : 11/29/2015 6:14 pm : link
In comment 12650998 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Nor should there be

Are you TC's agent or a Giants fan?
Eli is far from being our problem...  
EricJ : 11/29/2015 6:14 pm : link
and when you look around the league and see these other QBs with less talent than Eli throwing 3-4 TDs per game then something should tell you that this team has bigger problems.
RE: RE: There will be no changes  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 6:19 pm : link
In comment 12651013 Essex said:
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Nor should there be


Are you TC's agent or a Giants fan?


Huge fan who knows coaching changes rarely work out
RE: There will be no changes  
Mike Graves : 11/29/2015 6:19 pm : link
In comment 12650998 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Nor should there be


State your reasons why their should be no changes. Ready 3 2 1 go!!!!
RE: RE: RE: There will be no changes  
Vanzetti : 11/29/2015 6:28 pm : link
In comment 12651028 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Huge fan who knows coaching changes rarely work out


So hiring Belichek, Walsh, and Carroll did not work out?
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yankees78 : 11/29/2015 6:31 pm : link
lawd
Walsh was hired 40 years ago  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 6:32 pm : link
Belichick 15? For every Walsh there are about 100 failures. Change to appease fans is a recipe for failure
RE: Walsh was hired 40 years ago  
RDJR : 11/29/2015 6:53 pm : link
In comment 12651071 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Belichick 15? For every Walsh there are about 100 failures. Change to appease fans is a recipe for failure


How would it be to appease fans? When is change appropriate in professional sports? Enlighten us.

I happen to agree that TC is not going anywhere unless he chooses to. Lifetime appointment.
Change is appropriate  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 6:56 pm : link
When a team is poorly coached. The Giants are under manned not poorly coached. You want change as punishment or for changes sake.
RE: RE: there is no decision  
chopperhatch : 11/29/2015 6:56 pm : link
In comment 12650969 micky said:
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on Eli, he's our quarterback and we're damn lucky to have him.

The other decisions should be easy, it was time to let the staff and front office go last year, should be a no brainer this year.

Doesn't mean he will do it, but thats what should happen




agree mook


So yet another OC for Eli and the O?
RE: Change is appropriate  
RDJR : 11/29/2015 6:58 pm : link
In comment 12651155 AP in Halfmoon said:
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When a team is poorly coached. The Giants are under manned not poorly coached. You want change as punishment or for changes sake.


How do you determine that a team is poorly coached?
RE: Walsh was hired 40 years ago  
LAXin : 11/29/2015 7:18 pm : link
In comment 12651071 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Belichick 15? For every Walsh there are about 100 failures. Change to appease fans is a recipe for failure


Are you a member of the "Tom Coughlin has earned the right to coach for as long as he wants, and then he will move to a senior management position" wing of Giants fans?

Ummm  
shabu : 11/29/2015 7:25 pm : link
did i miss where the OP mentioned Eli ?
There will be no coaching change unless Eli wants it or TC retires  
montanagiant : 11/29/2015 7:25 pm : link
On his own. Eli does not want a change and I don't believe TC wants to retire.
When I see 3rd string OL  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 7:26 pm : link
Being manhandled I don't fire the coach. When a solid player like Vareen drops a pass that's picked off and changes the entire game I don't fire the coach.

Do you realize how hard it is to find a coach that can win 2 SBs? Do you know the odds of the next coach being a SB winner? The vast majority of coaches fail.

I'm not debating this, it's a waste of time. I believe the odds of Mara making a change are miniscule so it's a moot anyway.
RE: RE: Walsh was hired 40 years ago  
montanagiant : 11/29/2015 7:29 pm : link
In comment 12651221 LAXin said:
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Belichick 15? For every Walsh there are about 100 failures. Change to appease fans is a recipe for failure



Are you a member of the "Tom Coughlin has earned the right to coach for as long as he wants, and then he will move to a senior management position" wing of Giants fans?

You have a 4-5 year Eli window left, the biggest mistake that could be made would be making a change with that much time left, especially with regards to the OC.
Let's not make changes because they might not work and the team  
Devon : 11/29/2015 7:34 pm : link
might not be any good.

... oh, wait. They're already not any good, haven't been for years, and already are wasting what is supposed to be the window a franchise QB provides.

In comment 12651243 shabu said:
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did i miss where the OP mentioned Eli ?


Eli's the $80M investment.
Wasting another year of Eli  
Sammo85 : 11/29/2015 7:39 pm : link
Would be an even bigger mistake if we're going to see a repeat of the last two or three years. I'm not sure Eli even has a 5 year window left. Maybe 2-3 good years. He's 35 soon.
This is why Coughlin is not going anywhere  
EricJ : 11/29/2015 7:39 pm : link
http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=525756
Coach winning 2 SBs  
bc4life : 11/29/2015 7:44 pm : link
is...was.. great but after repeated years out of the playoffs and you have to wonder when it's time to turn the page

RE: Mara - not so sure I have great confidence in a guy who thought Jernigan was a real football player
RE: RE: RE: Walsh was hired 40 years ago  
LAXin : 11/29/2015 7:47 pm : link
In comment 12651254 montanagiant said:
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Belichick 15? For every Walsh there are about 100 failures. Change to appease fans is a recipe for failure



Are you a member of the "Tom Coughlin has earned the right to coach for as long as he wants, and then he will move to a senior management position" wing of Giants fans?



You have a 4-5 year Eli window left, the biggest mistake that could be made would be making a change with that much time left, especially with regards to the OC.


Quite the contrary, if Eli does have 4-5 years of good playing left in him -- he may not, but let's say he does -- isn't that the very reason you need to make a coaching change right now, so that hopefully we'll have 2-3 years of title run at the end of Eli's career?

Otherwise, it can only mean that there shall be no change of coaching staff for the next 4-5 years, no matter the results on the field, because your reasoning of not disrupting Eli's career will always remain valid.

Good grief. I hope not.
RE: RE: RE: Walsh was hired 40 years ago  
SethFromAstoria : 11/29/2015 7:53 pm : link
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Belichick 15? For every Walsh there are about 100 failures. Change to appease fans is a recipe for failure



Are you a member of the "Tom Coughlin has earned the right to coach for as long as he wants, and then he will move to a senior management position" wing of Giants fans?



You have a 4-5 year Eli window left, the biggest mistake that could be made would be making a change with that much time left, especially with regards to the OC.


well this and also he is a great player and likely Hall of Famer who will play his whole career with one franchise. ANd when I say play his whole career I mean literally take every snap in every game for over a decade for one team, including playoff games and 2 Super Bowls.

You can lump me in with Dep or whoever else you guys think is off his rocker when it comes to Eli Manning. He is the single consistently good reason to watch this team and hope they can win any game he plays in. He's so far and away the best player over the last 10 years its ridiculous, and also the best player we had since Lawrence Taylor. Gets the nod over Strahan. Sorry.

Thank goodness we have the guy on our team. One say soon we will surround him with smart, ferocious, focused and dedicated players all around him on offense. And secure a line that can provide a running game to at least suggest the Giants MIGHT run the ball, and one that will protect him to ensure his health and ability to pick apart defenses when given any time whatsoever.
John Mara is taking this team...  
EricJ : 11/29/2015 7:53 pm : link
back to the 70s. We have Chris Mara involved with player selection too. I know he put his time in as a scout for years, but what are the chances that a Mara gets fired?
My fear (if Reese was fired) that Chris Mara would get the job.

I really do not see any major changes. Like I said earlier, John Mara prefers no change. Any changes will be insignificant (ie firing an assistant or two)
RE: Wasting another year of Eli  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 7:53 pm : link
In comment 12651285 Sammo85 said:
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Would be an even bigger mistake if we're going to see a repeat of the last two or three years. I'm not sure Eli even has a 5 year window left. Maybe 2-3 good years. He's 35 soon.


So a new coach is going to fix the issues with injuries and personnel? Or will that coach be like most new coaches and be fired in 3 years?
RE: Change is appropriate  
oldutican : 11/29/2015 8:05 pm : link
In comment 12651155 AP in Halfmoon said:
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When a team is poorly coached. The Giants are under manned not poorly coached. You want change as punishment or for changes sake.


So tired of this way of thinking. What have you seen in last 4 years that makes you think Giants are well-coached? Is it repeated inability to finish games? Is it development of young players? In-game adjustments? Time management? Please tell me.
Where is the indicator  
SethFromAstoria : 11/29/2015 8:05 pm : link
that Eli can't play more than 2-3 years at the level he is at now?
RE: The main problem with a staff/coaching turnover  
Simms11 : 11/29/2015 8:22 pm : link
In comment 12650970 GiantSteps said:
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as said before, is maintaining the system. I like our offensive system. I like our defensive system. I like both coaches there. Those need to stay, and MacAdoo and Spags would be crushing it with better talent to work with.

We're looking at at least two more years of rebuilding if we have to start ALL over again next year.

I love TC, and don't wanna see him go out like a chump, but somehow major changes need to occur without destroying the things that could work better with better talent.


There's always a possibility, if McAdoo is not offered the job that he gets asked to stay on too. There are also other coaches that could use many if the same aspects of this offense too. I wouldn't be that concerned. Peyton stepped into a new offense in Denver and took off.
RE: Change is appropriate  
The_Boss : 11/29/2015 8:33 pm : link
In comment 12651155 AP in Halfmoon said:
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When a team is poorly coached. The Giants are under manned not poorly coached. You want change as punishment or for changes sake.


You can argue that teams that come out flat and/or unprepared and flat out dumb as these Giants have been for the bulk of TC's tenure is the definition of "poorly coached". Just saying....
RE: RE: The main problem with a staff/coaching turnover  
Emil : 11/29/2015 8:42 pm : link
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as said before, is maintaining the system. I like our offensive system. I like our defensive system. I like both coaches there. Those need to stay, and MacAdoo and Spags would be crushing it with better talent to work with.

We're looking at at least two more years of rebuilding if we have to start ALL over again next year.

I love TC, and don't wanna see him go out like a chump, but somehow major changes need to occur without destroying the things that could work better with better talent.



There's always a possibility, if McAdoo is not offered the job that he gets asked to stay on too. There are also other coaches that could use many if the same aspects of this offense too. I wouldn't be that concerned. Peyton stepped into a new offense in Denver and took off.


I hope you are right. But I think Peyton is a bad example. He pretty much brought his offense to Denver. Now, I'm all for doing the same with Eli. The Giants should just ask Eli want offense he wants to run.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Walsh was hired 40 years ago  
Emil : 11/29/2015 8:45 pm : link
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Belichick 15? For every Walsh there are about 100 failures. Change to appease fans is a recipe for failure



Are you a member of the "Tom Coughlin has earned the right to coach for as long as he wants, and then he will move to a senior management position" wing of Giants fans?



You have a 4-5 year Eli window left, the biggest mistake that could be made would be making a change with that much time left, especially with regards to the OC.



Quite the contrary, if Eli does have 4-5 years of good playing left in him -- he may not, but let's say he does -- isn't that the very reason you need to make a coaching change right now, so that hopefully we'll have 2-3 years of title run at the end of Eli's career?

Otherwise, it can only mean that there shall be no change of coaching staff for the next 4-5 years, no matter the results on the field, because your reasoning of not disrupting Eli's career will always remain valid.

Good grief. I hope not.


If a coaching change has to be made, then it has to be this year. Time is ticking
RE: RE: RE: RE: Walsh was hired 40 years ago  
montanagiant : 11/29/2015 10:58 pm : link
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Belichick 15? For every Walsh there are about 100 failures. Change to appease fans is a recipe for failure



Are you a member of the "Tom Coughlin has earned the right to coach for as long as he wants, and then he will move to a senior management position" wing of Giants fans?



You have a 4-5 year Eli window left, the biggest mistake that could be made would be making a change with that much time left, especially with regards to the OC.



Quite the contrary, if Eli does have 4-5 years of good playing left in him -- he may not, but let's say he does -- isn't that the very reason you need to make a coaching change right now, so that hopefully we'll have 2-3 years of title run at the end of Eli's career?

Otherwise, it can only mean that there shall be no change of coaching staff for the next 4-5 years, no matter the results on the field, because your reasoning of not disrupting Eli's career will always remain valid.

Good grief. I hope not.

So you want to waste another two years of it for him to learn a new system? It's not happening and that is a good thing even though fickle fans may not realize it
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Walsh was hired 40 years ago  
LAXin : 11/30/2015 12:09 am : link
In comment 12651876 montanagiant said:
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So you want to waste another two years of it for him to learn a new system? It's not happening and that is a good thing even though fickle fans may not realize it


"Waste another two year of Eli to learn a new system..."

For you to make this statement, one of the following two have to true:
(1) Eli did NOT quickly grasp and prosper in a brand new system installed less than 20 months ago, thus "wasting" his prime; or (2) Eli did great, and his great performance was NOT wasted by the terrible talents and coaching around him the last two years. The team has had good results to commensurate with the QB's good performance.

Which of those two statements were true in your world? Neither was in mine.

Eli already did very well very quickly in a very new system, and it's the Giants's inertia to change other parts of the team that already wasted another two years in him!! There is no if about it.
RE: John Mara is taking this team...  
MookGiants : 11/30/2015 12:41 am : link
In comment 12651323 EricJ said:
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back to the 70s. We have Chris Mara involved with player selection too. I know he put his time in as a scout for years, but what are the chances that a Mara gets fired?
My fear (if Reese was fired) that Chris Mara would get the job.

I really do not see any major changes. Like I said earlier, John Mara prefers no change. Any changes will be insignificant (ie firing an assistant or two)


Chris Mara would never get the job, nor do I think he would want it. I'm sure he collects a nice paycheck as it is, and he has basically no pressure from media or fans on him. They would never put him in a position that they potentially had to fire him from.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Walsh was hired 40 years ago  
montanagiant : 11/30/2015 12:50 am : link
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So you want to waste another two years of it for him to learn a new system? It's not happening and that is a good thing even though fickle fans may not realize it



"Waste another two year of Eli to learn a new system..."

For you to make this statement, one of the following two have to true:
(1) Eli did NOT quickly grasp and prosper in a brand new system installed less than 20 months ago, thus "wasting" his prime; or (2) Eli did great, and his great performance was NOT wasted by the terrible talents and coaching around him the last two years. The team has had good results to commensurate with the QB's good performance.

Which of those two statements were true in your world? Neither was in mine.

Eli already did very well very quickly in a very new system, and it's the Giants's inertia to change other parts of the team that already wasted another two years in him!! There is no if about it.

Both of your scenarios are wrong on multiple levels, besides the fact they ignore rational thought.
If the talent is at fault, how do you expect any coach to succeed? Any new system takes time to learn and adjust to by all players. This is not Madden 2015, this is real world and making a complete overhaul will take time to adjust to
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