...great, gutty performance once again by one of the best receivers in the NFL.
But it says here that one day the Giants will be a better team when we see his numbers go down in terms of total yardage and catches.
Why?
Because the key to getting better is putting together some semblance of a running attack and taking away some of the throws that Eli has to make to this guy!
It would be wrong to take away from today's game that our 32 yards in the run game was due to a 3rd and 4th string offensive line.
The truth of that statement only obscures the fact that -- even when healthy -- there has been essentially zero consistency in the running attack and opponents have never needed to game plan or worry about the run game.
We can't control the clock. We can't control the tempo of the game. And all the catches and yardage from our great second year WR can't mask or compensate for that simple fact.
We need more talent of the offensive line. And that means more that the return of Richburg, Pugh and Beatty. We need to draft more talent and / or get more talent in free agency.
The sky is the limit for OBJ. But it says here that he will probably rise even higher with lower overall numbers.
Something is wrong.
Something is wrong.
Why is it baffling? We don't have a decent RB amongst the group. Vereen is a quality third down back, but otherwise we don't have good RB on the roster. Darkwa could possibly be a player, but I'm not sure we'll ever find out.
Something is wrong.
Inexperienced FB that is not playing many snaps at all, inexperienced blocking from TEs - Cunningham missed a huge block on the edge today, and RBs not breaking tackles or finding the seam to exploit. Williams has been a total bust this year and I thought he was coming on last year. Jennings gives good effort, but looks like he is running in mud and Vereen is nothing more then an occasional carry. They need a true bell-cow type of back next year too.
I feel like we don't know who we want to be. Do we want to be a power running team? Well, we don't have the OL to do that. Andre Williams fits that power running style but not our OL. Should we go to a more zone blocking scheme? I think this would really fit our team much better but then we have to commit to that and get backs that fit that. Flowers, Pugh, Richburg can all move really well. Watching Richburg in college reminded me of Kevin Mawae on the Jets the way he was able to pull from the C position. That is rare and a great tool to have but we don't utilize that.
We have to have a plan and go with that. Schwartz doesn't fit the lineman we have but he fits the style we want to play by running a power run game. But he is just godawful in pass protection.
NE does a great job of drafting players for their system. We just seem to have a general evaluation on a player and then try to fit them into our system which I don't think works.
I'm not sure that's true if that's what you're saying.
Some of the best WR seasons of all time (some of Marvin Harrison's good years (not his best), some of Randy Moss's great seasons, their teams were middle of the pack at worst (the 2003 Vikings were 4th in the NFL in rushing while Moss put up 111 catches, 1600+ yards, and 17 TD's).
I don't think the premise is true, even in this era of the NFL.
Something is wrong.
What is so baffling? They only have 2 running plays, one to the right of the center and one to the left. They run those plays with RB's that take forever to get to the line of scrimmage. The other thing is, when the RB is being tackled the Giant linemen seem to give up on the play instead of continuing to push. I see other teams push until the player is down, maybe getting 2 or 3 more yards. It all comes down to coaching and the Giants O-Line coach has got to be useless.
Something is wrong.
Something is wrong.
Eric, I think the problem is that the run scheme seems to be primarily based out of the shotgun and is not executed all that well. I love the MacAdoo passing offense, but the running game leaves a lot to be desired. I also think Williams needs to sit down and the carries should go to Darkwa.
Average # NFL games played at current position: 10 ?
And it even extends to defense - how would Beckham's numbers look if we were 31st in takeaway/giveaway differential instead of 2nd?
I'm not sure that's true if that's what you're saying.
Some of the best WR seasons of all time (some of Marvin Harrison's good years (not his best), some of Randy Moss's great seasons, their teams were middle of the pack at worst (the 2003 Vikings were 4th in the NFL in rushing while Moss put up 111 catches, 1600+ yards, and 17 TD's).
I don't think the premise is true, even in this era of the NFL.
its the type of Beckham numbers we are talking about here. Optimizing the YPC and PPC. More downfield game since defenses will be required to respect run. Right now it's dink and dunk city via that Green Bay style...was probably necessary giving the 3 and out feast and famine nature of the previous seasons.
Our running game is also predictable. Everybody knows Williams is getting the ball when he's in the game. We don't play action with him at RB. We also run a lot of shotgun draws.
We have no blocking TE.
We don't have a dangerous set of WRs. Beckham is the only one who draws double coverage. Teams can therefore edge closer to the LOS to help on the run.
This is why we have trouble running the ball. The RBs are fine.
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if the Giants were a better rushing team than Beckham's numbers should go down?
I'm not sure that's true if that's what you're saying.
Some of the best WR seasons of all time (some of Marvin Harrison's good years (not his best), some of Randy Moss's great seasons, their teams were middle of the pack at worst (the 2003 Vikings were 4th in the NFL in rushing while Moss put up 111 catches, 1600+ yards, and 17 TD's).
I don't think the premise is true, even in this era of the NFL.
its the type of Beckham numbers we are talking about here. Optimizing the YPC and PPC. More downfield game since defenses will be required to respect run. Right now it's dink and dunk city via that Green Bay style...was probably necessary giving the 3 and out feast and famine nature of the previous seasons.
Beckham's ypc is slightly less than Antonio Browns. the players are similar (Beckham is higher than Demaryius Thomas, Julio Jones, etc.).
I don't agree with this premise in any way. Beckham is the only option and I agree that's a problem, exacerbated by the fact the running game is ineffective, but I do not agree if the Giants running game gets successful then Beckham's numbers should go down.
I don't think there is a correlation there, if anything a Giants successful running game will help them run more plays and have a net zero effect on Beckham's stats, but it could also have a plus effect. I don't think there is any guarantee about the correlation between running game and Beckham's numbers.
So if more run plays were called you think this OL would block well enough for a soliid running game? They haven't blown open a hole in years.
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with mcadoo. dude has no clue how to use a run game. it's clearly not a big part of the scheme and it shows on the field.
So if more run plays were called you think this OL would block well enough for a soliid running game? They haven't blown open a hole in years.
Or run game looks like the Packers before Lacy showed up, nothing to talk about.
Darkwa is the best of the group.
not including Vereen in that group...
Vereen should have seen more snaps today,
and only 12 sacks.
Think the LOS still needs help?
Schwartz is just trash.
2. Coughlin never runs the RBs wide. It's always the boring off tackle play
3. The problem isn't Flowers. Pugh. Richburgh. Need misdirection plays to mix it up and keep defense thinking
2. No quick hitter, power sweeps from this unit
3. Flowers is only big bodied mauler. Rich burg good but smallish. Schwartz overrated. Pugh overrated too and not a very quality first round pick.
4. Reese Lost out on his home run hitter with Wilson and has not replaced him with a comparable player.
Reese not getting a lot from major investments on o line.