currently 5-6 and tied for first place (although the tiebreaker and schedule favors the Redskins).
What the Giants gave away today was the opportunity to win the division at 8-8, that likely won't cut it now. The Redskins have two games against Dallas with no Romo and a game against Philly and who knows how they will play. I see Washington going 4-2 in the division and likely 8-8. The Giants finishing 8-8 would be optimistic, considering they have the Panthers and a trip to Minnesota on the schedule. The Giants are not above losing to the Jets or even Miami on the road. So, finishing 8-8 and missing the playoffs would yield what?
New front office?
New coaching staff?
I don't buy the whole 'the Giants don't fire GM's' argument. That is a lazy argument and John is not Wellington.
I don't buy the whole 'Giants are rebuilding' argument because the NFL is year to year. There is 20-30 percent roster turnover every year regardless, teams don't rebuild with a veteran HC and franchise QB.
I've read a lot of posts today talking about injuries and lack of offensive weapons, but who does that fall on? Injuries happen to every team and good teams rally despite them.
So what does everyone think will happen and want? Could 8-8 yield status quo?
he will also say he thinks we have a talented team and good people in the FO even though the record will not reflect it.
IF the team quits at any point going foward, I can see that changing.
I don't think Mara can keep riding Coughlin year to year like this. The roster issues seem to me to be a bigger problem though with depth and lots of dumb or one dimensional players. Reese and Ross might be the ones walking the plank
I'm not so sure how you fire TC. There's not much talent here, and you can't blame him for the injures.
I like how Spags has coached up the D, again, considering what he has to work with.
And I think McAdoo has the right direction for the offense, but again, there needs to be more talent.
That leaves, obviously, Reese. He's has two pretty good drafts.....I'd let him try to finish and get this team back to 10 wins (along with free agency).
I know people don't want to hear it, but I think the regime gets another year.
It's the depth drafting and roster building that has gone to hell under Reese lately. We've hit big on some talents early but we've continued to ignore or miss on lots of positions. Hes filled some holes in FA with a big name every now or then but his propensity for second tier guys has had to do so because of drafting failures in those areas.
That scares the hell out of me the way you put that, but its spot on.
Just like the last 3 years. This team is in trouble. Reese has been overseeing a roster rebuild or retool or transition. Whatever you want to call it, but we're getting younger but not getting any better. 5 year rebuilds are a thing of the past, but in our case, it looks like reality. We have to either replace or resign roughly 26 players next spring. We play the AFC and NFC North next year. Unless we do something we never do and win 4/5 games in this division, chances are we won't be a playoff team next year either.
Miami and Minny on the road???????
If we cant we don't deserve the playoffs
We could have won today despite lackadaisical play
We always STINK after the BYE.....we would lose to the Little Sisters of the Poor after a Coughlin BYE
I don't disagree with you, I think this is the most likely scenario. Even if the Giants miss the playoffs, they will probably finish 8-8 and (7-9 at worst) and I can see Mara finding a reason to keep TC, MacAdoo and Spags. As I've said before, I'm not opposed to this. If the issues on this team are mostly talent driven I can't hold the coaches more responsible than the GM. And if the GM is here, then Coughlin and company should be here.
I completely understand the pessimism about the ability to upgrade, but 50+ million in unofficially estimated cap space is a heck of a lot to money to spend. Just by shotgun effect alone, the roster should get better. (At least I hope so).
As bad as things seem, I'm just not convinced a dramatic change in direction helps anything, given the talent on the roster.
Miami and Minny on the road???????
If we cant we don't deserve the playoffs
We could have won today despite lackadaisical play
We always STINK after the BYE.....we would lose to the Little Sisters of the Poor after a Coughlin BYE
No. They can't win most of those games and now, it's going to take winning most of those games.
No playoffs for us. Again. And, unless we upgrade the talent in a big way next year, I don't see us qualifying then either, especially considering our known opponents.
Um...what?
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The Jets, Caroina, Philly at home
Miami and Minny on the road???????
If we cant we don't deserve the playoffs
We could have won today despite lackadaisical play
We always STINK after the BYE.....we would lose to the Little Sisters of the Poor after a Coughlin BYE
No. They can't win most of those games and now, it's going to take winning most of those games.
No playoffs for us. Again. And, unless we upgrade the talent in a big way next year, I don't see us qualifying then either, especially considering our known opponents.
we will see about that....don't let today totally cloud your vision
this is the same team that should have beaten NE
We still don't really have an impact LB, and don't seem committed to drafting any. We are killed constantly by TEs and crossing routes. We stuck with Beason too long. Kennard looks pretty good, but not great. Everyone else is basically just a guy in NFL terms. We lack ANY kind of pass rush. Moore is an enigma, able to get some modicum of pass rush, but too many stupid plays. Rashad is a journeyman at best, he makes few plays any back could make. TE is a weakness (why did we not pay for Black Unicorn!).
Honestly, if we can get the OL back healthy, we're not that far off from being good. On O, another WR (maybe Cruz if he ever makes it back), A TE too. Eli is (say it with me) fine. A more explosive RB would help to compliment Vereen's pass catching. On D, a pass rusher to compliment JPP (depending on what happens with him).and at least 1 good LB who can cover and rush the passer.
No GM will go 100% on FA, if players were that good, they wouldn't be FAs or we can't afford them with so much cap in Eli.
If we can find some of those pieces, we can be good. Reese has hit a good amount, and missed some. We need an Amandola type WR if Cruz won't be back. We need an impact LB. We need a good TE. If we can get those pieces and get some guys healthy, we can compete. Since Pass rushers are only found in the first round, we will once again probably look to FA for a LB, but that's not been very successful to date. TEs can be found out there. We don't need greatness, just a good solid contributor.
We've been in most games despite all the injuries. We're only in year 1 of the Spags system with a lot of guys hurt. I don't think it's as bad as all that. I'm not sure wholesale change is needed. The big ? is when to replace TC, but are we really being out coached? A new HC will replace Spags probably and that means starting a new system on D again. How many things had to go wrong to lose to the Patriots, yet they all did. It's just one of those years...
Doesn't matter whether you agree or disagree with his thoughts ( I happen to agree), just give reasons, make your points like he just did. No, instead we get who should be fired, who sucks, etc..So friggin' juvenile and a waste of everyone's time..If Daniel, Joey, dorgan, Mike in Wr, SOTI, RAZE, bw in dc, HBart, etc., would post more, we'd have great exchanges of info going on most of the time..A shame..
We still don't really have an impact LB, and don't seem committed to drafting any. We are killed constantly by TEs and crossing routes. We stuck with Beason too long. Kennard looks pretty good, but not great. Everyone else is basically just a guy in NFL terms. We lack ANY kind of pass rush. Moore is an enigma, able to get some modicum of pass rush, but too many stupid plays. Rashad is a journeyman at best, he makes few plays any back could make. TE is a weakness (why did we not pay for Black Unicorn!).
Honestly, if we can get the OL back healthy, we're not that far off from being good. On O, another WR (maybe Cruz if he ever makes it back), A TE too. Eli is (say it with me) fine. A more explosive RB would help to compliment Vereen's pass catching. On D, a pass rusher to compliment JPP (depending on what happens with him).and at least 1 good LB who can cover and rush the passer.
No GM will go 100% on FA, if players were that good, they wouldn't be FAs or we can't afford them with so much cap in Eli.
If we can find some of those pieces, we can be good. Reese has hit a good amount, and missed some. We need an Amandola type WR if Cruz won't be back. We need an impact LB. We need a good TE. If we can get those pieces and get some guys healthy, we can compete. Since Pass rushers are only found in the first round, we will once again probably look to FA for a LB, but that's not been very successful to date. TEs can be found out there. We don't need greatness, just a good solid contributor.
We've been in most games despite all the injuries. We're only in year 1 of the Spags system with a lot of guys hurt. I don't think it's as bad as all that. I'm not sure wholesale change is needed. The big ? is when to replace TC, but are we really being out coached? A new HC will replace Spags probably and that means starting a new system on D again. How many things had to go wrong to lose to the Patriots, yet they all did. It's just one of those years...
Well put
We still don't really have an impact LB, and don't seem committed to drafting any. We are killed constantly by TEs and crossing routes. We stuck with Beason too long. Kennard looks pretty good, but not great. Everyone else is basically just a guy in NFL terms. We lack ANY kind of pass rush. Moore is an enigma, able to get some modicum of pass rush, but too many stupid plays. Rashad is a journeyman at best, he makes few plays any back could make. TE is a weakness (why did we not pay for Black Unicorn!).
Honestly, if we can get the OL back healthy, we're not that far off from being good. On O, another WR (maybe Cruz if he ever makes it back), A TE too. Eli is (say it with me) fine. A more explosive RB would help to compliment Vereen's pass catching. On D, a pass rusher to compliment JPP (depending on what happens with him).and at least 1 good LB who can cover and rush the passer.
No GM will go 100% on FA, if players were that good, they wouldn't be FAs or we can't afford them with so much cap in Eli.
If we can find some of those pieces, we can be good. Reese has hit a good amount, and missed some. We need an Amandola type WR if Cruz won't be back. We need an impact LB. We need a good TE. If we can get those pieces and get some guys healthy, we can compete. Since Pass rushers are only found in the first round, we will once again probably look to FA for a LB, but that's not been very successful to date. TEs can be found out there. We don't need greatness, just a good solid contributor.
We've been in most games despite all the injuries. We're only in year 1 of the Spags system with a lot of guys hurt. I don't think it's as bad as all that. I'm not sure wholesale change is needed. The big ? is when to replace TC, but are we really being out coached? A new HC will replace Spags probably and that means starting a new system on D again. How many things had to go wrong to lose to the Patriots, yet they all did. It's just one of those years...
Pass rushers only found in first round? Strahan, Osi, Tuck?