Kobe's hubris in taking a big contract maybe cost them LeBron. Or maybe they could have traded their no assets for Harden. Or Melo would have gone to play in LA, which could have afforded him, but he didnt want to go because of how much Kobe got paid. Or because Kobe is a dick, even though Melo said of whether he passed up LA because of Kobe:
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"Hell no. Of course not," Anthony said. "If I thought that [playing for the Lakers] was the right situation for me from an overall perspective as far as having a team there, then I would have looked at that situation more in-depth. I just felt more comfortable staying here in New York. But as far as playing with him ... I'm here now but I would always love to play with Kobe."
We're going to disagree here. You seem to think that most players didnt want to play with Kobe because Kobe is a dick. But as far as I can tell, lots of players viewed Kobe as a draw, not a detriment, re his attitude and pedigree. You say if Kobe had taken less then they could/would have signed a bunch of guys. Except they've had money for a second max player forever. They absolutely could have afforded Melo (and sought to max him). The could have maxed Aldridge too, and offered. (Love resigned before shopping himself, but maybe that is Kobe's fault too?). And that's a huge hole in your Kobe is hurting the Lakers theory. Your theory would have to be that Melo/LeBron/Love refused to sign in LA over money, even though they could be maxed out, but because they though Kobe should make a lot less and the money should be invested elsewhere. Strikes me as fantasy. There is certainly no evidence of anyone suggesting it.
It's funny, I just re-read this thread and you've gotten almost no one to agree with you on anything. I dont know why it is so hard for you to concede that maybe the Lakers were screwed either way, or that the Kobe is hurting the kids theory (which I dont 100% disagree with!) is at best more of a "Scott is giving 120+ minutes to Kobe, Hibbert, Swaggy, Williams, and MWP even though the team sucks and they have no future" theory. Because it seems really clear that you put out your opinion and then refuse to listen to any competing point of view. Maybe you should start a blog instead of posting on a message board.
Really, that's interesting. David in la agreed Kobe hamstrung their rebuild. After a clarification giant filthy not only agreed with me about my point with Kobe circa 2015. He agreed about my general point about rebuild philosophy. And regarding the stupid Jordan comparison, osi oy cited stats regarding Jordan's wizard campaign. So implicit and explicit agreement.
Regarding my implied stubbornness, In fact, you must have missed my post where I credit you for pointing out that a free agency signing(s) may have been counterproductive. I don't hold my views sancrosant. You made good points.
But in fact your latest post is your most ridiculous one. I'll break it down for you when I get done. Blog? I'm full of concessions to other opinions here. Must be a case of projection. I actually asked questions of two folks on the thread. Must be that selective reading.
the Lakers should have two superstars that joined the team in free agent classes in recent years. Thats a gross oversimplifcation.
my umbrage is not even with the content of the points (you make some very legitimate points about free agency classes, acknowledged earlier, although my base argument is more than Kobe's inhibiting free agents). Its taking swipes like my opinion on Kobe has no basis because Im not criticizing Lou Williams or aware of Lou Williams stat line on a Kobe thread (actually, my guess is none of us watch every Laker game so these are all casual opinions).
And the selective reading where 'no one has agreed with a point Ive made' and 'I should start a blog' because I cant concede when people make good points . Your clearly smart, but you also have a bone to pick which is coloring your perception of my posts and thats where I take issue.
I enjoy a good debate but I also like to come here and learn and read different perspectives. For example, GiantFilthy made a great point about Henry Abbott I would not have known about and does put the article a posted in a great context. Acknowledged above. As did you. Broken down in detail, Lakers probably did not do too badly avoiding free agents. They have drafted high, and now they have to rebuild this team by acquiring a few more high draft picks.
I have made plenty of concessions to good points you've made and others have made here. I wont bother with the agreement posts but they are up there.
So your latest posts are just petty.
The spirit of my original post was a farewell tour for Kobe is going to be bittersweet. Part of it was a ridiculous last few years here. Put some of that on ownership too.
The logo is part villian and part hero for god sakes.
Cheers, and boos. Had he left three years ago, in spite of his perception/reputation, he probably would have been cheered more than he will be today.
As David in LA said, its a sad way for him to go out. Fortunately, he had a good reception in Philly last night, which is his hometown. If that carries on (though I doubt he gets such treatment in San Antonio, Dallas, Sacramento, Detroit, Oakland and other destinations), I'll be the first to admit Im wrong.
Actually he has generally been booed relentlessly when he came to Philly. But he's been talking about how much he loved growing up here and how he wanted to be a Sixer and blah blah blah. So they gave him a going away solid.
RE: RE: He was always received pretty well in Philly.
Actually he has generally been booed relentlessly when he came to Philly. But he's been talking about how much he loved growing up here and how he wanted to be a Sixer and blah blah blah. So they gave him a going away solid.
Being treated the same as Santa is 'well-received'.
RE: RE: RE: He was always received pretty well in Philly.
In comment 12656389 BrettNYG10 said:
[quote] In comment 12656386 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12656380 GiantFilthy said:
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I don't expect it much from anywhere else.
Actually he has generally been booed relentlessly when he came to Philly. But he's been talking about how much he loved growing up here and how he wanted to be a Sixer and blah blah blah. So they gave him a going away solid.
Being treated the same as Santa is 'well-received'. [/quote
We're going to disagree here. You seem to think that most players didnt want to play with Kobe because Kobe is a dick. But as far as I can tell, lots of players viewed Kobe as a draw, not a detriment, re his attitude and pedigree. You say if Kobe had taken less then they could/would have signed a bunch of guys. Except they've had money for a second max player forever. They absolutely could have afforded Melo (and sought to max him). The could have maxed Aldridge too, and offered. (Love resigned before shopping himself, but maybe that is Kobe's fault too?). And that's a huge hole in your Kobe is hurting the Lakers theory. Your theory would have to be that Melo/LeBron/Love refused to sign in LA over money, even though they could be maxed out, but because they though Kobe should make a lot less and the money should be invested elsewhere. Strikes me as fantasy. There is certainly no evidence of anyone suggesting it.
It's funny, I just re-read this thread and you've gotten almost no one to agree with you on anything. I dont know why it is so hard for you to concede that maybe the Lakers were screwed either way, or that the Kobe is hurting the kids theory (which I dont 100% disagree with!) is at best more of a "Scott is giving 120+ minutes to Kobe, Hibbert, Swaggy, Williams, and MWP even though the team sucks and they have no future" theory. Because it seems really clear that you put out your opinion and then refuse to listen to any competing point of view. Maybe you should start a blog instead of posting on a message board.
Regarding my implied stubbornness, In fact, you must have missed my post where I credit you for pointing out that a free agency signing(s) may have been counterproductive. I don't hold my views sancrosant. You made good points.
my umbrage is not even with the content of the points (you make some very legitimate points about free agency classes, acknowledged earlier, although my base argument is more than Kobe's inhibiting free agents). Its taking swipes like my opinion on Kobe has no basis because Im not criticizing Lou Williams or aware of Lou Williams stat line on a Kobe thread (actually, my guess is none of us watch every Laker game so these are all casual opinions).
And the selective reading where 'no one has agreed with a point Ive made' and 'I should start a blog' because I cant concede when people make good points . Your clearly smart, but you also have a bone to pick which is coloring your perception of my posts and thats where I take issue.
I enjoy a good debate but I also like to come here and learn and read different perspectives. For example, GiantFilthy made a great point about Henry Abbott I would not have known about and does put the article a posted in a great context. Acknowledged above. As did you. Broken down in detail, Lakers probably did not do too badly avoiding free agents. They have drafted high, and now they have to rebuild this team by acquiring a few more high draft picks.
I have made plenty of concessions to good points you've made and others have made here. I wont bother with the agreement posts but they are up there.
So your latest posts are just petty.
The spirit of my original post was a farewell tour for Kobe is going to be bittersweet. Part of it was a ridiculous last few years here. Put some of that on ownership too.
The logo is part villian and part hero for god sakes.
Cheers, and boos. Had he left three years ago, in spite of his perception/reputation, he probably would have been cheered more than he will be today.
As David in LA said, its a sad way for him to go out. Fortunately, he had a good reception in Philly last night, which is his hometown. If that carries on (though I doubt he gets such treatment in San Antonio, Dallas, Sacramento, Detroit, Oakland and other destinations), I'll be the first to admit Im wrong.
Actually he has generally been booed relentlessly when he came to Philly. But he's been talking about how much he loved growing up here and how he wanted to be a Sixer and blah blah blah. So they gave him a going away solid.
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I don't expect it much from anywhere else.
Actually he has generally been booed relentlessly when he came to Philly. But he's been talking about how much he loved growing up here and how he wanted to be a Sixer and blah blah blah. So they gave him a going away solid.
Being treated the same as Santa is 'well-received'.
[quote] In comment 12656386 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12656380 GiantFilthy said:
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I don't expect it much from anywhere else.
Actually he has generally been booed relentlessly when he came to Philly. But he's been talking about how much he loved growing up here and how he wanted to be a Sixer and blah blah blah. So they gave him a going away solid.
Being treated the same as Santa is 'well-received'. [/quote
Or San Diego Chargers?