The INT in the end zone, down 17-0

the blame more strongly belongs to Randle, he didn't finish his route and got lazy as he often does, and he allowed the DB to undercut his route, just as Moose said on-air.

but WRs can do things to help their QB randle never does any of that. if im eli i wouldnt throw to him unless wide the fuck open. even the broadcaster said hey eli is a nice but if it were me i would be throwing to other people on the team. randle does nothing to help his QB. you always see beckham come back for the ball cruz was the same way. its the nfl many throws are going to be in traffic or contested a good WR helps those tight throw a slow ass like randle gives up leverage and allows and under cut

There by running the proper route instead of fading away from the pass would have been TD and an incomplete pass at worst, right?

It was a pass that R2 should have caught by running the route properly.

instead of staying on a straight line, which would have not allowed the defender to cut him off, he drifted towards the back of the endzone allowing an opening for the defender.

Clear as day on the replay.

If he runs the route correctly, barring him tipping it up in the air in bizarre fashion, worst case, it's probably an incomplete.

Eli missed some plays today, but that wasn't one of them, looking back at it.

than a subject being talked about, and a poster starting a new thread on it and being 110% wrong.

But I think it's a pick even if he runs a sharper route. The ball shouldn't have been thrown

For those bad plays there are more from Eli where I'm like I can't believe he made that completion. I think it was the San Fran game where the game winning TD was thrown to Donnell in the end zone between two defenders. I'll take Eli and his recent couple of interceptions along with his last minute game saving passes.

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the blame more strongly belongs to Randle, he didn't finish his route and got lazy as he often does, and he allowed the DB to undercut his route, just as Moose said on-air.

no, that was on Eli. Who run's perfect routes with guys standing in front of you come on now.

In comment 12651345 AP in Halfmoon said:

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But I think it's a pick even if he runs a sharper route. The ball shouldn't have been thrown

It's really hard to say that though. Eli let the ball go because Randle had beaten his man. He was open. The problem was he faded away at the end of the route, giving the defender space to cut underneath him. If he runs his route properly , that ball hits him in the chest.

which he did, slightly.

BUT: If Randle had run square or even slightly back towards the goal line and the ball was thrown at or behind him, then the defender would have to go THROUGH RR to get the ball. It would have been interference, incomplete, or RR would have good position in a fight for the ball.

I wonder how Nicks would have run that route...

In comment 12651357 gogiants said:

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For those bad plays there are more from Eli where I'm like I can't believe he made that completion. I think it was the San Fran game where the game winning TD was thrown to Donnell in the end zone between two defenders. I'll take Eli and his recent couple of interceptions along with his last minute game saving passes.

Well, then I guess you'll take 5-6 because that's all you've got.

In comment 12651361 mdc1 said:

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In comment 12651331 JonC said: Quote: the blame more strongly belongs to Randle, he didn't finish his route and got lazy as he often does, and he allowed the DB to undercut his route, just as Moose said on-air. no, that was on Eli. Who run's perfect routes with guys standing in front of you come on now.

the man undercut the route because Randle faded away to the back of the endzone. Cardinal sin for a WR. That habit is what gives DBs chances at picks.

1) he ran a shit route
2) the ball shouldn't have been thrown

there... discussion over.

that int was on RR and lets not forget the play before where he didn't move to the ball...that should been a TD..

In comment 12651333 Gmen108021 said:

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but WRs can do things to help their QB randle never does any of that.

Randle has missed a total of 2 games in 4 years. All of Eli's best receivers have had short careers. Makes you wonder how many of the injuries come from gamers trying to make something out of an erratic pass.

in the postgame. I guess we can argue in this thread to scapegoat Randle, but Eli said it was on him, and Randle said it was behind him....sometimes simple is enough especially when you see the ball thrown behind him.

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In comment 12651333 Gmen108021 said: Quote: but WRs can do things to help their QB randle never does any of that. Randle has missed a total of 2 games in 4 years. All of Eli's best receivers have had short careers. Makes you wonder how many of the injuries come from gamers trying to make something out of an erratic pass.

HA! Now I've truly seen it all.

In comment 12651385 mdc1 said:

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in the postgame. I guess we can argue in this thread to scapegoat Randle, but Eli said it was on him, and Randle said it was behind him....sometimes simple is enough especially when you see the ball thrown behind him.

When has Eli EVER said the INT was on somebody other than him?

for mistake by teammate.

News at 11.

Funny how Randle was benched the following series, right?

The bottom line is its not black and white

In comment 12651378 GentleGiant said:

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In comment 12651333 Gmen108021 said: Quote: but WRs can do things to help their QB randle never does any of that. Randle has missed a total of 2 games in 4 years. All of Eli's best receivers have had short careers. Makes you wonder how many of the injuries come from gamers trying to make something out of an erratic pass.

Burress shot himself.

Steve Smith got his leg caught while fighting to pick up YAC, well after the ball was easily secured.

Cruz popped his knee cap on an easy catch in weird fashion that had nothing to with a bad throw.

Manningham was fine physically when he left here.

Toomer played until he was well and naturally forked.

Nicks got caught and yanked from behind while running for YAC then stepped on on the plays that most point to leading to his problems.

In comment 12651385 mdc1 said:

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in the postgame. I guess we can argue in this thread to scapegoat Randle, but Eli said it was on him, and Randle said it was behind him....sometimes simple is enough especially when you see the ball thrown behind him.

1. Eli never has thrown a WR under the bus and never will
2. The broadcast crew called it for what it was. They said exactly what I typed. Randle ran a terrible route.
3. After the INT, the coaching staff benched Randle in favor of Nicks for a series. Read into that what you will.
4. You could see Randle standing on the sideline very angry and frustrated.
5. In the 4th quarter after Randle ran a slant route to the improper depth, Moose Johnson commented on it, and said "if I'm Eli, I start to look to my other options."

No one is scapegoating Randle. He is not a precise WR, and it kills you in this type of offense.

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for mistake by teammate. News at 11. Funny how Randle was benched the following series, right?

ding, ding, ding

In comment 12651392 AP in Halfmoon said:

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The bottom line is its not black and white

lol. Randle is a whipping boy? No, Randle sucks ass. And the fact that he continues to play hurts our chances to win games.

He makes more mistakes than plays. drop, faillure to secure a TD pass cause he didnt come back to the ball, and ran a lazy route that led to an INT.

He was facing the other teams 4/5th string corner. He had 1 catch. Whipping boy my ass.

Seems like the DB knew exactly what was going to happen and reacted. Odell set that whole drive up. TD To Odell should have been every play call there. No fade to Randle which almost went for another INT.

We need red zone threats. Have 1. That's not nearly enough.

I thought you agreed to stop stalking me?

been thrown must have missed the fact that Randle was one on one and beat his man across the middle.

Eli can't help it if Randle fades away from the ball after it is thrown.

when you re-watch the play and stop the action, it looks like both Harris and Beckham would have been better targets. Eli had a plenty of time, for a change.

Even on the goal line, he should just throw to Beckham every time ...
INT in the end zone - ( New Window )

In comment 12651394 Devon said:

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In comment 12651378 GentleGiant said: Quote: In comment 12651333 Gmen108021 said: Quote: but WRs can do things to help their QB randle never does any of that. Randle has missed a total of 2 games in 4 years. All of Eli's best receivers have had short careers. Makes you wonder how many of the injuries come from gamers trying to make something out of an erratic pass. Burress shot himself. Steve Smith got his leg caught while fighting to pick up YAC, well after the ball was easily secured. Cruz popped his knee cap on an easy catch in weird fashion that had nothing to with a bad throw. Manningham was fine physically when he left here. Toomer played until he was well and naturally forked. Nicks got caught and yanked from behind while running for YAC then stepped on on the plays that most point to leading to his problems.

I'll add the TEs:

Bennett left here for a bigger contract, in fine physical condition.

Shiancoe didn't play much, left pretty healthy and produced before fizzling for Minnesota.

Shockey's final injury with the Giants (before he forced his way out) had to do with a teammate rolling him and most of his nagging problems before then had to do with his play in the trenches.

Ballard first hurt his knee blocking apparently, aggravated it catching a pass, had it get worse over time because he kept playing on it, and then blew it completely out on the sidelines in the Super Bowl.

Boss did have concussion issues that you could partially pin on him getting smacked in traffic on a couple high throws, so there is your one, I guess.

Pascoe generally stayed and left healthy.

Donnell hurt his neck thanks to his tumbling routine that I'm pretty sure Eli didn't teach him.

Brandon Myers sucked and left here the same terrible garbage time compiler with glue on his feet, grease on his fingers, and a nose for coming up short of the sticks he came in as.

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Seems like the DB knew exactly what was going to happen and reacted. Odell set that whole drive up. TD To Odell should have been every play call there. No fade to Randle which almost went for another INT. We need red zone threats. Have 1. That's not nearly enough.

Just to point out, that first pass to Randle in the endzone was also incomplete and almost intercepted because once again he did not work back to the ball. If he does, it's a TD.

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But I think it's a pick even if he runs a sharper route. The ball shouldn't have been thrown

Negative, Randle was passed the defender, thats why eli threw it, defender was beaten, but by moving toward end zone you are lengthening the ball travel distance.. thus giving the defender more time to catch up to the ball.

If randle stays straight does't drift the timing is on where defender is still behind.

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In comment 12651345 AP in Halfmoon said: Quote: But I think it's a pick even if he runs a sharper route. The ball shouldn't have been thrown Negative, Randle was passed the defender, thats why eli threw it, defender was beaten, but by moving toward end zone you are lengthening the ball travel distance.. thus giving the defender more time to catch up to the ball. If randle stays straight does't drift the timing is on where defender is still behind.

(should say back of end zone ).

have been really down this year. He has nine now. But some were the ball being popped out by a hard hit or a strip. The top five quarterbacks for interceptions include Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck and Matt Stafford. When you often thread the needle you are more apt to sometimes get stuck. Eli is not even in the top ten for interceptions. He is good at threading the needle.

WR open, Eli throws it to him. WR runs lazy route, ball is picked.

People, for those of you who think he shouldnt have thrown it? It would have been a TD, if he completed the play. It befuddles why people stick up for RR still. This year 4! Not first year. Not 2nd year. Not the first time, not the 500th time.

He's a negative player. By ridding him of the roster, you have already improved.

In comment 12651407 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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been thrown must have missed the fact that Randle was one on one and beat his man across the middle. Eli can't help it if Randle fades away from the ball after it is thrown.

Thank you! To me, this was as clear as day. It's also why he was benched for the next series.

In comment 12651424 CT Charlie said:

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when you re-watch the play and stop the action, it looks like both Harris and Beckham would have been better targets. Eli had a plenty of time, for a change. Even on the goal line, he should just throw to Beckham every time ... INT in the end zone - ( New Window )

from that angle it looks like Eli threw behind and right in front of the 2 defenders.

and his lazy route running. Me personally I've had enough of Mr. Loopy Route. 5 more games and don't let the door hit'ya where the good lord split'ya...

In comment 12651424 CT Charlie said:

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when you re-watch the play and stop the action, it looks like both Harris and Beckham would have been better targets. Eli had a plenty of time, for a change. Even on the goal line, he should just throw to Beckham every time ... INT in the end zone - ( New Window )

Good point. I was thinking on thE last drive Eli should just chuck it up to Beckham and let him play defense if needed but if nothing else he may draw a PI. Those short passes accomplish nothing.

and they weren't exactly pro-Giants. Randle was also benched for the next few series. Eli has hit that pass many times with different receivers, Randle needs to come to the ball (he never does).

Player 1: It was my fault, should have thrown a better pass.
Player 2: I was open, ball was behind me.

Just the mindset of the 2 shows that one is a champion and the other is a chump.

waiting to happen. He never stops running the routes incorrectly. He has caused this team and Eli most of the INT's.
He's been doing this from day one.
He is an INT machine.
When you need to run the route at 11 yards and you run it at 9 the ball is coming out of the QB's hand on it's way to 11 yards. Randle under runs and over runs the route all the time.
He also doesn't go up for the ball well and fight for the ball. When he was drafted he was supposed to be good at that.
Boy did reese get it wrong on this guy. Another wasted #2 pick. Marvin Austin and Randle two #2 draft pick busts ala reese. Reese sucks in the later rounds but he's had some real fucking head scratchers and busts in rounds 2 and 3. Bromley???? LOL he picks Browmley in the 3rd when he could have been had in a later round. Jury us still out on him but so far I'm just not seeing anything special about Bromley. Da Monster Moore sucks too. DaMonster....ROFLOL...he doesn't scare anyone. Just another wasted pick. Roughing the passer penalty waiting to happen. Or some other bone headed penalty. He should be in a 3-4 defense. Reese continues to draft players that don't fit our defense.

put a bit of air on the ball to avoid guys like this jumping routes and making plays...

Out curiousity how does one conclude that Randle improperly ran that route? Because Moose said so?

I will never consider anything you say noteworthy now. Man some people are blind

It's never Eli's fault

In comment 12651467 dep026 said:

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Player 1: It was my fault, should have thrown a better pass. Player 2: I was open, ball was behind me. Just the mindset of the 2 shows that one is a champion and the other is a chump.

You forgot:

Player 3: I saw that one on tape, not gonna happen let's jump it..interception good luck winning the game now chumps 1 and 2 and now we are division leaders...

In comment 12651477 mdc1 said:

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put a bit of air on the ball to avoid guys like this jumping routes and making plays... Out curiousity how does one conclude that Randle improperly ran that route? Because Moose said so?

No, because when a WR breaks in on a route, you break flat to the line. As in perpendicular to the line of scrimmage. This present a large fat target to the QB and allows you to use your body to shield the ball away from the DB who have you hopefully just beaten with you hard cut to the inside. If you fade back, as in downfield (or toward the back of the endzone) you create a smaller target for the QB and give the DB room to undercut the route and make a play on the ball.

It's route running 101.

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It's never Eli's fault

No, the second INT was certainly his fault, Bad decision. Harris almost bailed him out.

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It's never Eli's fault

Reason I do not buy any of this sometimes. In his presser he was quick to parse and point out that the tips did not result in any points that hurt the Giants (nice to know). Point is he is getting paid a great deal of many, so mistakes he makes are fair game for discussion.

is the Holiday Season Gift that keeps on Giving........Giving Eli another INT.

Vereen caused the other INT because he turned up the field before catching the football.

Harris got popped. You can't blame him too much for that he got hit and defenders make plays and create turn overs. It was a tough break for Harris who has been a good player for the most part especially on specials. So that INT also was not ELI's fault.
THe randle INT route all he fucking had to do was box out the defender a little and go after that ball a little harder.
He over ran that route and needed to come back to the ball.
I don't see any of the INT's on ELI.
Eli and OBJ have no help out there. You need your #2 WR to contribute and make plays. Just look at randle,,,,,he brings nothing to the team. Get Geremy Davis out there. Davis was supposed to be the sleeper pick by reese. Reese could of had him in udrafted FA but used a 6th on him,,,,,,so let's see it. He can't suck any worse than randle.

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It's never Eli's fault

It wasn't ELI's fault.
None of the INT's today were ELI's fault.
Vereeen and Harris certainly weren't.
Face it...randle botched another route. He fucking does it all the time. All the time.
He cuts in just a little he boxes out the receiver. Randle didn't play smart there if anything. But Coughlin benched him so that shows it was him screwing up once again.

In comment 12651477 mdc1 said:

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put a bit of air on the ball to avoid guys like this jumping routes and making plays... Out curiousity how does one conclude that Randle improperly ran that route? Because Moose said so?

A blind person could see he ran a shitty route. As soon as it was picked I jumped up screaming that I didn't need Moose to tell me that. The play was a quick route across the middle and he looped it instead of cutting it hard like he's done on just about every one of those for 4 godamn years. Doesn't even care to try an out-muscle the DB and establish position. I'll blame Eli for this- why in the hell would you try and fit one in in a tight spot to that loser when you've seen what he is for 4 seasons now. The 2nd INT was on Eli, poor decision and throw.

The lengths that some of these apologists is downright comical. They're bending over backwards to explain the science behind the route and how it was run incorrectly.

Every other non-biased football fan in America says 'Wow, another end zone interception from Eli Manning. How backbreaking for that team."

Are the Giant WRs the only ones that have route running trouble, because I never hear that from others teams but on this board from Gilbride now through the McAdoo years it's a common theme and rationale for mind numbing dumb interceptions.

It's not taking away from the Chnampionships and MVPs. But the careless mistakes at a higher rate than typical are reality that must be acknowledged.

In comment 12651539 BlueManFu said:

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Every other non-biased football fan in America says 'Wow, another end zone interception from Eli Manning. How backbreaking for that team."

You are referring to the unbiased announcing crew, who immediately said Randle ran the wrong route and went into explanation why he did so? Those non-biased people?

BBI is a fucking joke with these shitstains with agendas.

The Sanchize does that 80 percent of the time

In comment 12651539 BlueManFu said:

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The lengths that some of these apologists is downright comical. They're bending over backwards to explain the science behind the route and how it was run incorrectly. Every other non-biased football fan in America says 'Wow, another end zone interception from Eli Manning. How backbreaking for that team." Are the Giant WRs the only ones that have route running trouble, because I never hear that from others teams but on this board from Gilbride now through the McAdoo years it's a common theme and rationale for mind numbing dumb interceptions. It's not taking away from the Chnampionships and MVPs. But the careless mistakes at a higher rate than typical are reality that must be acknowledged.

So you are saying the route was correctly run then...

But the throw was piss poor and behind him. Eli doesn't get a pass on that throw.

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But the throw was piss poor and behind him. Eli doesn't get a pass on that throw.

Wouldnt have pissed poor if the route was ran correctly. Kind of the point of the whole thread. He shortens his route, the ball doesnt travel as far...

and right in Eli's sight line. RR ran a terrible route, but Eli made a poor decision based on what was in front of him. Just cause RR screwed up doesn't mean Eli is off the hook.

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But the throw was piss poor and behind him. Eli doesn't get a pass on that throw.

agreed. the first down pass was late... would have been 6 if led.
the INT just should not have been thrown. RR needs to battle more, but anyone saying "if he runs flat its a TD"... is just full of crap. the DB was right there and DBs have been jumping routes all year in the red zone for all teams.

absolves WR from plays, blames both on Eli.

News at 11.

Its like clockwork.

randle for a few series following the INT.
What does that tell you?
It tells me he screwed up once again. Just like he always does.

Even IF he did run the route correctly all he fucking had to do was cut in a little and box out the defender and make an effort for the ball. the least wrong then is he didn't play smart there. PLus He sucks at going after the ball and beating out the defender, out jumping the defender and ripping the ball down. He should have made a play there and caught the ball not the defender. He let the defender win that one. But I believe moose and others that say he botched the route. Or was not on the same page as ELI. Eli squeezed that one in as best he can. WR needs to make a play there and reel one in.

Right in front of him, but went to another option. Whatever you want to say about RR may be true, but he should have thrown it to Harris. That is on Eli.

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Right in front of him, but went to another option. Whatever you want to say about RR may be true, but he should have thrown it to Harris. That is on Eli.

False. RR was open. He didnt finish the route.

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absolves WR from plays, blames both on Eli. News at 11. Its like clockwork.

i just sat and watched the play 4 times... their is no absolving. the decision to throw there was not ideal. the route was not crisp but he also was not very open. he was more open on first down. DBs all year on MANY teams have been coached up in the red zone to jump routes. randle needed less depth but at the same time the ball was either late or should not have been directed there.
first down is the play we should have scored on.

please try to discuss football instead of discussing posters... you might find you will post less and the times you do will maybe add value.

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lol

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In comment 12651588 dep026 said: Quote: absolves WR from plays, blames both on Eli. News at 11. Its like clockwork. i just sat and watched the play 4 times... their is no absolving. the decision to throw there was not ideal. the route was not crisp but he also was not very open. he was more open on first down. DBs all year on MANY teams have been coached up in the red zone to jump routes. randle needed less depth but at the same time the ball was either late or should not have been directed there. first down is the play we should have scored on. please try to discuss football instead of discussing posters... you might find you will post less and the times you do will maybe add value.

You can watch it 100 times. RR had an opportunity to score twice. The first play was not a perfect throw. No argument, but it was good enough considered he was pressured for him to just come back on the ball and catch it. but he waited on it. And the DB made a play. At 6'4 over 200 pounds, he got outmuscled by a smaller player.

On the INT, he and Eli admitted he was open. So regardless if you think he should have thrown it is irrelevant now. He broke free. But instead of shortening his route, he runs to the post instead of a slant. If he runs the slant, its a shorter throw for Eli. Is it a guaranteed completiin? No, nothing is. But the chance of it being caught by Randle than the defender is much, much higher. '

Both illustrates the problem with RR. Not tough, and a lazy route. But you keep absolving him time after time. Its ok to blame Randle when he fucks up game after game.

who has a step on the DB and who made his cut inside is considered open, especially in the end zone.

How many slants are gimme TD's just because of body position?

Randle was open - and he faded away from the ball AFTER it was thrown.

That appears to be the point a lot of people are missing. When Eli threw the ball, Randle is open by at least a step.

was that yes... randle got a step... BUT... their was a LB in the site line when he was REALLY open.... and so the ball could not be thrown until he came into the "window"... but at that time the DB had closed the gap and jumped the route... and no it was not the best route but that WAS the issue...
he was not as open when the ball was thrown... thus the comment ... it was a poor route... and it should not have been thrown.
FMIC you are saying "he had a step"... yes... and the ball wasnt thrown when he had a step... because the LB/safety was there.

Did Randle have to adjust?

Watch his head. When did he see the ball? And how much time to adjust after seeing he ball? He had one step. That's it.

The announcer went overboard blaming Randle. It was a quick slant with very little time to adjust. If his right foot isn't in position to plant and come back he had no chance. They didn't show that on the replay.

Eli had a guy open on the slant and threw it behind him. If the QB puts a stronger throw on the WR it's a TD

Not run the route correctly?

WTF does that mean.

That's a BS comment.

He ran a slant. He was open. The only beef you can possibly have about Randle was not adjusting to the throw and being more aggressive. This is a questionable beef because of the amount of time he actually had to make any adjustment.

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Did Randle have to adjust? Watch his head. When did he see the ball? And how much time to adjust after seeing he ball? He had one step. That's it. The announcer went overboard blaming Randle. It was a quick slant with very little time to adjust. If his right foot isn't in position to plant and come back he had no chance. They didn't show that on the replay. Eli had a guy open on the slant and threw it behind him. If the QB puts a stronger throw on the WR it's a TD

he didnt run a slant. He ran to the post. Which caused a longer throw.

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Did Randle have to adjust? Watch his head. When did he see the ball? And how much time to adjust after seeing he ball? He had one step. That's it. The announcer went overboard blaming Randle. It was a quick slant with very little time to adjust. If his right foot isn't in position to plant and come back he had no chance. They didn't show that on the replay. Eli had a guy open on the slant and threw it behind him. If the QB puts a stronger throw on the WR it's a TD

I agree with this. It's not black and white and all one person's fault. It could have been a better throw and route. Randle could have shortened the route but he has about 1 second to adjust to the throw. If he adjusts sooner it might have been a TD. If Eli gets the ball in front of him it could have been a TD. It's football

you wanted him to run a crossing route.
if a slant isnt thrown at the right time it will continue up field a bit.

You're reaching. After his cut he was open. Eli missed the throw.

It's possible the WR could have been more aggressive but he had very little time to make any type of adjustment.

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you wanted him to run a crossing route. if a slant isnt thrown at the right time it will continue up field a bit.

Slants are not suppose to be run that deep. Hes close to 8 yards deep in the end zone. Slants are not suppose to be 12-13 yards deep. Hence why he ran it wrong.

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been thrown must have missed the fact that Randle was one on one and beat his man across the middle. Eli can't help it if Randle fades away from the ball after it is thrown.

also, the type of pass it is requires timing and the route to be run correctly. There isn;t debate going on in ELi'S head. That's the play, thats where the pass is going. The receiver needs to have position and he didnt

run a slant. I made a comment about a slant, regarding body position. He ran an in route and was open at his cut.

Your take on this is laughable. Nothing but an excuse for the QB.

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run a slant. I made a comment about a slant, regarding body position. He ran an in route and was open at his cut.

he was open and the ball wasnt thrown (because there was a LB/safety in the way... when the ball was thrown... he was no longer open.

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Your take on this is laughable. Nothing but an excuse for the QB.

So I guess FMiC take is laughable too since he literally just said the same thing as me.

Theres a reason why Randle was benched the next series. It wasnt because he ran the right route.

Good try though. Your attempt of knowledge is whats laughable.

It was a route where he cut to the post oafter his outside foot hit the ground the 2nd time. That's not a slant?

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In comment 12651710 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: run a slant. I made a comment about a slant, regarding body position. He ran an in route and was open at his cut. he was open and the ball wasnt thrown (because there was a LB/safety in the way... when the ball was thrown... he was no longer open.

Wrong. He beat his man, which is clear as day. But instead of running a slant, he ran a longer route. If he ran the route he was suppose to, there would have been a window for him to be hit. But since he ran deeper into the end zone than he was suppose to, thats why the ball was behind him. He ran a longer route.

Hence why he sat on the sidelines next drive.

To be run that deep?

That's a comment full of knowledge.

If he had led him enough, regardless of his 2yd drift toward the back of the endzone it wouldn't have been in play to be intercepted

In comment 12651728 KWALL2 said:

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It was a route where he cut to the post oafter his outside foot hit the ground the 2nd time. That's not a slant?

no, to me it looked like he ran a post. FMiC says in route. whatever it was, it was not a slant.

How do we know the route, the call, etc? Lots of guess work and assumptions here.

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A post is a route that breaks off at about a 45degree angle where the receiver is running more of a vertical component than a horizontal component.

That was absolutely a slant - because of the ball position a post would have been impossible to run (no room to run it).

Regardless, the ball was thrown a few feet behind RR. That error, in addition to his drifting toward the back of the endzone created that INT.

is there is zero chance of a post being run from the 5 yard line... so at least we can clear that up.... by definition it is factually not possible... even for Rueben Randle.

We are guessing Randle was benched for doing some thing wrong. Ill take it that he fucked up two plays and most likely will be right.

Look at my thread above. That is what I just said

You can't watch the replay and say that Eli made a good throw or that he made the best decision. Both Harris and Beckham beat their one-on-one coverage, whereas RR was in a crowd.

When Eli watches the tape, I don't think he'll say, "Rueben screwed up" as much as he'll say, "I should have seen those other guys."
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ran it like a post:)

Watch the replay. Eli throws the ball as soon as Randle makes his cut. He can't envision him fading when he should run straight across.

By the way, a slant is a diagonal route that should never flatten out - in fact a flattened out slant would be a terrible route and would get a QB in trouble as well.

In comment 12651755 hitdog42 said:

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is there is zero chance of a post being run from the 5 yard line... so at least we can clear that up.... by definition it is factually not possible... even for Rueben Randle.

I think we can all agree that a post route wouldnt be run from the 5, which make it more mystifying why Randle was there!!!!

Watch the replay, he is at the back of the K in "REDSKINS" when the pick happens. Seems like he is heading to the goal post to me.

In comment 12651754 F-18WARVET said:

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A post is a route that breaks off at about a 45degree angle where the receiver is running more of a vertical component than a horizontal component. That was absolutely a slant - because of the ball position a post would have been impossible to run (no room to run it). Regardless, the ball was thrown a few feet behind RR. That error, in addition to his drifting toward the back of the endzone created that INT.

But you're not a 1%er in football knowledge.

In comment 12651754 F-18WARVET said:

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A post is a route that breaks off at about a 45degree angle where the receiver is running more of a vertical component than a horizontal component. That was absolutely a slant - because of the ball position a post would have been impossible to run (no room to run it). Regardless, the ball was thrown a few feet behind RR. That error, in addition to his drifting toward the back of the endzone created that INT.

I think the point that needs to be made is that the route was probably suppose to be a slant, but he didnt run one as that. He drifted way to deep to the point where he drifted to the goal posts. That is not how slants are run.

Hence why he was benched.

It was 3 steps and a slant. It was not a "post" or a any kind of in route.

On his cut on the slant he had PLENTY of separation. Eli missed the throw. That should be the end of he story here.

The announcer was out of line ripping Randle for it. Which is probably why some of you here think Randle played it like a chump.

On that type of route he had very little time to make an adjustment.

It's time to stop.

In comment 12651763 CT Charlie said:

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You can't watch the replay and say that Eli made a good throw or that he made the best decision. Both Harris and Beckham beat their one-on-one coverage, whereas RR was in a crowd. When Eli watches the tape, I don't think he'll say, "Rueben screwed up" as much as he'll say, "I should have seen those other guys." Link - ( New Window )

But you're not a 1%er either. I will agree he missed Harris who was wide open. I'm sure a near constant lack of a clean pocket is part of that.

In comment 12651792 KWALL2 said:

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It's time to stop.

he wasnt running toward the goal post? You sure about that? Have you watched a single replay? I doubt it.

You do realize most slants dont go further than 10 yards downfield, right? Care to explain why he was benched then? With your expertise of the play?

defending RR, yet cant give a single credible reason why he was benched.

But carry on

In comment 12651811 KWALL2 said:

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But carry on

You're right. It closer to 12-13 yards. Carry on though.

No answer on why he was benched yet?

posted at 10:19. It is clearly not a slant route. You don't run slants by going forward for 5 yards and then fading towards the back oft he end zone.

The LOS was the 4 yard line and Randle doesn't cut in until he gets a yard into the end zone.

That isn't a slant. I'll be damned, but it does look like a post because he ran the route poorly.

well no kidding, Eli didnt throw it like one. But RR sure as hell didnt run it as a slant either. Thats the problem. Thats why the corner cut underneath it. He made the route longer than it was suppose too.

Thats why the ball is behind him because he ran a deeper pattern than expected. If he runs it crisp and more across the middle, theres a good chance it hits him in stride or more catchable.

that always blame Eli are going to blame Eli on that play. The people that could be subjective in what they watch, break down the play and realize that Randle is brain dead are going to correctly understand that Randle constantly puts Eli in positions such as this one.

Whether it's running the wrong routes or being lazy, such as drifting to the back of the end zone when you have your man beat and the ball is thrown already, are just some of the reasons that I can't wait to not have to watch and root for Randle come next year. Hopefully.

WR depth is pretty good ... highly doubt RR get an extension next year

In comment 12651828 F-18WARVET said:

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WR depth is pretty good ... highly doubt RR get an extension next year

marvin Jones or Rishard Matthews please.

He cut after 1 yards and adjusted his route around the lb.

He did a jab step. The 2nd time his outside foot hit he cut to the slant. Adjusted the route around the LB.

In comment 12651837 KWALL2 said:

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He cut after 1 yards and adjusted his route around the lb. He did a jab step. The 2nd time his outside foot hit he cut to the slant. Adjusted the route around the LB.

lol. He just wont stop. everyone else in the world is wrong by KWALL. He still cant answer why he was benched.

He ran the route wrong, lazily, bad, horrible, imprecise.... use whatever adjective you want. He was benched for a reason. Its not the first time he has been benched, and it probably wont be his last time either.

Its ok to admit RR fucked up and move on.

Randle was benched after the play.

If it wasn't for costing his team points, then why was he benched?

In comment 12651841 Giants in 07 said:

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Randle was benched after the play. If it wasn't for costing his team points, then why was he benched?

We don't know. You can speculate why Nicks played a series. Perhaps to give Nicks some live reps? Why did he come back after a series? We don't know the answer.

1 yard. He cut at the 3. Slant. Adjusts around LB. Wide open. No time to adjust after the throw.

It's on Eli. He had plenty of space to make the throw.

In comment 12651841 Giants in 07 said:

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Randle was benched after the play. If it wasn't for costing his team points, then why was he benched?

^^^^^^^^Exactly right. He screwed up.....coughlin had him sit a few.

its always on Eli after the play. Everyone is wrong but KWALL.

If he is running a slant, and is running around to get around a LB, he is running the route wrong anwyays. But KWALL knows all. Everyone else is wrong. Pat Traina is wrong. Moose Johnston is wrong. Carl Banks is wrong.

In comment 12651848 AP in Halfmoon said:

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In comment 12651841 Giants in 07 said: Quote: Randle was benched after the play. If it wasn't for costing his team points, then why was he benched? We don't know. You can speculate why Nicks played a series. Perhaps to give Nicks some live reps? Why did he come back after a series? We don't know the answer.

I mean,..you can speculate if you want.

It's kinda right in front of you in black and white though.

Everybody here agree with you? Is that how you see it?

In comment 12651858 Giants in 07 said:

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In comment 12651848 AP in Halfmoon said: Quote: In comment 12651841 Giants in 07 said: Quote: Randle was benched after the play. If it wasn't for costing his team points, then why was he benched? We don't know. You can speculate why Nicks played a series. Perhaps to give Nicks some live reps? Why did he come back after a series? We don't know the answer. I mean,..you can speculate if you want. It's kinda right in front of you in black and white though.

As I said above, it's hardly black and white. Both the route and pass could have been better. Keep speculating if you want.

In comment 12651866 KWALL2 said:

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Everybody here agree with you? Is that how you see it?

A fair amount of people here do. Some expert analysts do. Beat writers do. I think its safe to say your on your limb with a few RR supporters.

its ok to be wrong KWALL. I know you like putting up the good fight and never admit when you are wrong.

if the route was run correctly. What if the pass hit him in the chest if he ran where Eli thought he was going to be?

The one to Vereen? Absolutely not on Eli...

The second one to Harris? How did Harris get the ball? Blackmon should have intercepted it...it went off his hands to Harris....

Everyone is talking about the route by Randle...if he broke it sharper towards the middle, wouldn't the ball have been farther behind him? If Eli leads him, does it get intercepted? My knock on Randle is his lack of effort to catch it....bad pass....

Just so KWALL doesn't feel totally alone; I watched the play at least 10 times and it appears pretty clear that RR runs a great plant and slant route and is about as open as an NFL receiver is ever going to be; indeed, it shouldn't have been much more than pitch-and-catch with Eli but the pass is behind him and the rest is history. And the Giants may have in fact 'benched' RR after the play but in his post game presser when he was asked about the play Coughlin simply said 'the receiver was running open in the end zone and the pass was behind him' You can look that up!

Don't pull BS out of your ass.

Who are these expert analysts? I missed all of them ripping the WR and give the QB a pass on the throw.

that the first one was Vereens fault and the 2nd was Eli's fault.

The third one, people who always absolve RR continue to do so for reasons unknown to man.

Asshole.

That is to the joker known as Dep

has a new friend. I dont agree with him. I have watched the play many times now. There is no way you can call that slant as how he finished the route.

I am sorry. Ill take that to my grave. He was open. No one is denying that. What we are saying is that he lets the defender become a factor in the play due to a lazy route at the end.

how the hell does anyone know what Randle's route was SUPPOSED to be? It is possible that he ran it exactly how it was drawn up...OR that he didn't.

The shit that is being thrown around here is just ridiculous.

In comment 12651870 AP in Halfmoon said:

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In comment 12651858 Giants in 07 said: Quote: In comment 12651848 AP in Halfmoon said: Quote: In comment 12651841 Giants in 07 said: Quote: Randle was benched after the play. If it wasn't for costing his team points, then why was he benched? We don't know. You can speculate why Nicks played a series. Perhaps to give Nicks some live reps? Why did he come back after a series? We don't know the answer. I mean,..you can speculate if you want. It's kinda right in front of you in black and white though. As I said above, it's hardly black and white. Both the route and pass could have been better. Keep speculating if you want.

When the commentators, both Tv and Radio, and beat writers all point to it being Randle's fault..and then add the fact that he was benched directly afterwards, it seems pretty obvious.

Could the throw have been better? Maybe.. Looked like the ball was right where it needed to be to me. Randle overran and drifted on his route.

In comment 12651877 Colin@gbn said:

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Just so KWALL doesn't feel totally alone; I watched the play at least 10 times and it appears pretty clear that RR runs a great plant and slant route and is about as open as an NFL receiver is ever going to be; indeed, it shouldn't have been much more than pitch-and-catch with Eli but the pass is behind him and the rest is history. And the Giants may have in fact 'benched' RR after the play but in his post game presser when he was asked about the play Coughlin simply said 'the receiver was running open in the end zone and the pass was behind him' You can look that up!

Are you a 1%er?

In comment 12651877 Colin@gbn said:

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Just so KWALL doesn't feel totally alone; I watched the play at least 10 times and it appears pretty clear that RR runs a great plant and slant route and is about as open as an NFL receiver is ever going to be; indeed, it shouldn't have been much more than pitch-and-catch with Eli but the pass is behind him and the rest is history. And the Giants may have in fact 'benched' RR after the play but in his post game presser when he was asked about the play Coughlin simply said 'the receiver was running open in the end zone and the pass was behind him' You can look that up!

Colin, it's clear as day that Randle drifts to the back of the endzone on the play.

In comment 12651728 KWALL2 said:

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It was a route where he cut to the post oafter his outside foot hit the ground the 2nd time. That's not a slant?

That was not supposed to be a slant. He ran an in-route and rounded his cut and then drifted away from the ball. It was a shitty run route and if he ran it like he should have it was never in a position to be intercepted. Claiming he ran a slant is ridiculous because that would have been a worse run route then the crappy in route he did run

In comment 12651889 Giants in 07 said:

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In comment 12651877 Colin@gbn said: Quote: Just so KWALL doesn't feel totally alone; I watched the play at least 10 times and it appears pretty clear that RR runs a great plant and slant route and is about as open as an NFL receiver is ever going to be; indeed, it shouldn't have been much more than pitch-and-catch with Eli but the pass is behind him and the rest is history. And the Giants may have in fact 'benched' RR after the play but in his post game presser when he was asked about the play Coughlin simply said 'the receiver was running open in the end zone and the pass was behind him' You can look that up! Colin, it's clear as day that Randle drifts to the back of the endzone on the play.

Absolutely, that is a shitteir run slant then his crappy in route

In comment 12651884 EricJ said:

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how the hell does anyone know what Randle's route was SUPPOSED to be? It is possible that he ran it exactly how it was drawn up...OR that he didn't. The shit that is being thrown around here is just ridiculous.

Someone here knows more about football than 99% of the posters, that's how

deep in the end zone when the INT happens. I dont understand how anyone thinks that is where he is suppose to be.

if that was a slant. It didn't seem like it was supposed to be slant.

In comment 12651884 EricJ said:

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how the hell does anyone know what Randle's route was SUPPOSED to be? It is possible that he ran it exactly how it was drawn up...OR that he didn't. The shit that is being thrown around here is just ridiculous.

If that is the case why was he benched for a series then?

On theroute from the cut at the 3 yard line. Outside foot plants he cuts as a slant. Lb is in the path and he adjusts around him. And runs to the "post". (Wait that's a post)

He's wide open. QB throws it behind him.

I'm not a Randle fan but he had no time to make any adjustment after ball is thrown. None.

The announce Johnson talked about him coming back to the ball. I say once that ball left Eli's hand he had no time to adjust.

Throw was off target. And no need for it because there was nobody on the other side of Randle.

In comment 12651899 Matt M. said:

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if that was a slant. It didn't seem like it was supposed to be slant.

Thats the thing. No one knows what he ran. He gets open, and then just drifts to no mans land.

In comment 12651884 EricJ said:

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how the hell does anyone know what Randle's route was SUPPOSED to be? It is possible that he ran it exactly how it was drawn up...OR that he didn't. The shit that is being thrown around here is just ridiculous.

Eric, by looking at the timing of when Eli threw the pass, right out of Randle's break, you could tell what kind of route Randle was supposed to be running.

You lose all credibility with this"

Looked like the ball was right where it needed to be to me.

"Moops!" "Moores"

In comment 12651898 dep026 said:

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deep in the end zone when the INT happens. I dont understand how anyone thinks that is where he is suppose to be.

On top of that why would he run a slant when the safety had vacated the middle? An in-route Without drifting away from the ball is the best choice.

We don't know why. An overreaction maybe. What did the coaches say after reviewing the play? That's all that matters.

Maybe the coach didn't have he chance to see that replay which pretty clearly shows he was wide open and had no chance to adjust.

in a career of lazy route running, miscommunications, wrong routes, bad practice habits, and inconsistent play...

people will still defend RR.

In comment 12651901 KWALL2 said:

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On theroute from the cut at the 3 yard line. Outside foot plants he cuts as a slant. Lb is in the path and he adjusts around him. And runs to the "post". (Wait that's a post) He's wide open. QB throws it behind him. I'm not a Randle fan but he had no time to make any adjustment after ball is thrown. None. The announce Johnson talked about him coming back to the ball. I say once that ball left Eli's hand he had no time to adjust. Throw was off target. And no need for it because there was nobody on the other side of Randle.

Lol..the LB was 2 yards in front of him on the cut. There was no player he had to adjust to, Your imagining things at this point

It was a wide open space.

He cut at ONE yard. At the 3. He ran the want. Adjusted around the lb. what should he have done at that point? Stop?

In comment 12651908 KWALL2 said:

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We don't know why. An overreaction maybe. What did the coaches say after reviewing the play? That's all that matters. Maybe the coach didn't have he chance to see that replay which pretty clearly shows he was wide open and had no chance to adjust.

Do you honestly think an "overreaction" is more likely then a lazy run route? Come on that is absurd

Was in his path. Watch again and get back to me.

He either runs it short at the 1 or goes around him.

In comment 12651911 KWALL2 said:

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It was a wide open space. He cut at ONE yard. At the 3. He ran the want. Adjusted around the lb. what should he have done at that point? Stop?

Why are you adjusting a route like that. If its a slant, there is no adjustments. If its an in-route, you dont need to adjust.

You are telling us RR had no time to adjust to the throw but made this huge adjustment midroute?

Come on now.

It doesn't mean Eli sucks buy it wasn't a good throw.

Here is the quote from Coughlin on the play in his presser:

"it just looked like Reuben was open coming in across from right to left, the ball was a little bit behind him and the defensive back made a nice play."

In comment 12651911 KWALL2 said:

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It was a wide open space. He cut at ONE yard. At the 3. He ran the want. Adjusted around the lb. what should he have done at that point? Stop?

THERE IS NO LB IN HIS WAY TO ADJUST TO. Your making shit up now because you can't admit your wrong. He ran a shit route, deal with it and stop trying to fabricate a argument to fit some kind of silly ass agenda you have

What does that mean?

What I saw ( and it's clear as day) is he bent the route around the LB and got wide open. The QB threw it behind him even though there was nothing to the left of the WR.

Overreaction? Absolutely. Check Colin's comments.

Harris we wouldn't be having this debate

In comment 12651920 Colin@gbn said:

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Here is the quote from Coughlin on the play in his presser: "it just looked like Reuben was open coming in across from right to left, the ball was a little bit behind him and the defensive back made a nice play."

Thats true. He was open. What we are saying is when RR came across the middle of the field, he drifted deep towards the back of end zone instead of running it more flat. If it is run more horizontal, the Db cant make a play, and it looks like a better throw. I am sure Coughlin didnt see or dissect the play before his presser.

Anything up.

Randle does a jab step. His outside foot hits a 2nd time and he cuts on a slant. This was at the 3 yard line. He needs the route around he LB (maybe a S) and runs the slant around the guy.

Redskin defenders were 2 yards deep in end zone. Nothing behind them. Randle is wide open.

Eli throws it deeper or in front of him we have an easy TD.

The throw comes out flat and behind Randle.

He has no time to adjust to it.

Int.

This is exactly what happened.

Coughlin described

Should be "bends"

He bent it around the other defender who was in his path.

In comment 12651927 dep026 said:

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In comment 12651920 Colin@gbn said: Quote: Here is the quote from Coughlin on the play in his presser: "it just looked like Reuben was open coming in across from right to left, the ball was a little bit behind him and the defensive back made a nice play." Thats true. He was open. What we are saying is when RR came across the middle of the field, he drifted deep towards the back of end zone instead of running it more flat. If it is run more horizontal, the Db cant make a play, and it looks like a better throw. I am sure Coughlin didnt see or dissect the play before his presser.

Exactly, if the route was run like it should have been he blocks the DB from getting to the ball. By drifting away from the ball he allows an opening for the defender to cut in front of Randle

In comment 12651928 KWALL2 said:

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Anything up. Randle does a jab step. His outside foot hits a 2nd time and he cuts on a slant. This was at the 3 yard line. He needs the route around he LB (maybe a S) and runs the slant around the guy. Redskin defenders were 2 yards deep in end zone. Nothing behind them. Randle is wide open. Eli throws it deeper or in front of him we have an easy TD. The throw comes out flat and behind Randle. He has no time to adjust to it. Int. This is exactly what happened.

And if Randle flattens the route it's even further behind him

no one is going to agree with each other. So let this die. He most likely wont be on the team next year or if he is it will be in a minmal role where he isnt our number 2.

That's horseshit.

He should run right at the guy and let him rock him 3 yards off the LOS?

He adjusted and it worked. He was wide open.

when he said that..

How anyone can watch a replay and not see Randle drift towards the back of the endzone is beyond me. Of course the pass was behind him, he ran past the ball!

Wtf are you talking about. Do you realize how long the ball was in the air?

Nobody ran past anything. Comments like this make Dep look sharp and that ain't easy.

In comment 12651933 AP in Halfmoon said:

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In comment 12651928 KWALL2 said: Quote: Anything up. Randle does a jab step. His outside foot hits a 2nd time and he cuts on a slant. This was at the 3 yard line. He needs the route around he LB (maybe a S) and runs the slant around the guy. Redskin defenders were 2 yards deep in end zone. Nothing behind them. Randle is wide open. Eli throws it deeper or in front of him we have an easy TD. The throw comes out flat and behind Randle. He has no time to adjust to it. Int. This is exactly what happened. And if Randle flattens the route it's even further behind him

but the defender can't get to it either

the ball gets to him quicker too, so it might not get behind him.

Who knows. Its done and over with. No need to fight anymore.

In comment 12651637 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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who has a step on the DB and who made his cut inside is considered open, especially in the end zone. How many slants are gimme TD's just because of body position? Randle was open - and he faded away from the ball AFTER it was thrown. That appears to be the point a lot of people are missing. When Eli threw the ball, Randle is open by at least a step.

Yep. Eli throws it and when he did RR already beat his man , if RR cuts toward the goal line rather than the back he can make the catch and the DB can't the position the DB was in is where randle should have been and kept him out... but he didn't.

Ppl don't understand that timing is a big part of this.

1. RR beats man
2. Eli sees RR
3. Eli throws to place.
4. RR drifts toward back leaving opening for DB to jump.

Key is the timing of the spot where the catch was made and who was there (DB) and who was supposed to be there RR.

Hard to tell unless you know the play/player resposibilty on the play, but I think Moose's comment were confirmed by Randle's benching.

Easy to blame Eli, but sometime if the defense is in the "right" formation, the QB throws the ball to a spot, and its up to the receiver to make sure he gets there, or at least doesnt allow the defender to get there

about Eli from Abby than Dep.

I think vs Atlanta...same result: INT. Everybody agreed he ran a bad route and "drifted" and killed him for it. I recognized the same pattern instantly with Randle.

but Eli made some bad throws. Did it happen on a day where he was under more pressure than all the other games combined? And was that on a day missing two (of the remaining starters) on the line? With Cruz done and RR adding nails to his coffin with his lackluster effort?

There are reasons for things happening.

Unreal. Yes, it came at a bad time. Yes, randle AND eli could've executed better. The culprit in the game was the O-line, it was absolutely fucking pathetic and with 4 minutes to go and down by 6 the pathetic defense needed to make a stop on 3rd and 6 and the immortal jordan reed runs wide open across the middle for an easy first down completion and essentially ices the game. What a fucking joke.

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about Eli from Abby than Dep.

seriously, what's your point in life? I never saw a more pathetic, insecure, lowlife asshole in my life. you bring absolutely nothing to this board. you bring nothing to any discussion other than to be an asshole.

you shit on posters constantly who are obviously much smarter than you, and when they call you out.... you ran like a total bitch.

do you work? or do you rely on your mother to get through life?
I doubt you are married or have kids because there isn't a woman in this world that insecure to lower their standards that much to have physical contact with you.
do you have any social life, because I can see you getting the shit kicked out of you on a constant basis from people who think your act is fucking annoying.


you sit her lurking, waiting for people to post and then bring your worn out act that not one person on the board likes to read. at some point are you ever going to do a self evaluation on yourself and realize that you are a scumbag and a low life loser? maybe you should.

go out. make some friends. try to be friendly. sitting home, eating mommy's meatloaf, and mooching off of her is no way to live life. I am sure you get most excited in life is when the giants lose so you can purposely be an asshole. but here's a tip. I bet you jerk yourself while eating cheetos as players on giants fail so you can post here. tell your mom thst all of BBI feels sorry for her.

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sitting home, eating mommy's meatloaf, and mooching off of her is no way to live life.

Speak for yourself.

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no, that was on Eli. Who run's perfect routes with guys standing in front of you come on now.

No, the DB wasn't standing in front of Randle, he was on RR's hip. That is why you run a route that takes you back towards the QB. The QB has to release the ball as the WR enters his break, and has to count on the WR to run his route correctly. If Randle does that, it's likely a TD, at worst, incomplete.

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It was 3 steps and a slant. It was not a "post" or a any kind of in route. On his cut on the slant he had PLENTY of separation. Eli missed the throw. That should be the end of he story here. The announcer was out of line ripping Randle for it. Which is probably why some of you here think Randle played it like a chump. On that type of route he had very little time to make an adjustment.

Wow, you need to turn in your football card. There is no way in hell that was a slant. If it was, it was an even worse route than I thought. Your dislike of Eli has gone to ludicrous levels.

Not a great throw. But Moose was dead on accurate that Eli is a better man than he is continuing to throw to Randle. Was it the best throw? No. But how about running a sharp route and fighting for the ball. I know OBJ is exceptional but he fights for the ball. That ball is in the air. He believes it is his and goes for it. Randle puts his hands out and hopes no one deflects it. The only reason Randle scored later was they didn't think Eli was going to him and pulled off of him. There was no great move or great catch. It was blown coverage.

I am at the point where if Randle can't practice, he is better watching from the sideline. It seems like his timing is off. Eli shouldn't have to throw a perfect pass to expect a TD. Randle let the DB undercut with no push back. How about interfering with the DB. Take the penalty and kick the FG. I am not an apologist for Eli but that was on Randle and you knew it was the case when he was benched on the subsequent series.

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In comment 12651361 mdc1 said: Quote: no, that was on Eli. Who run's perfect routes with guys standing in front of you come on now. No, the DB wasn't standing in front of Randle, he was on RR's hip. That is why you run a route that takes you back towards the QB. The QB has to release the ball as the WR enters his break, and has to count on the WR to run his route correctly. If Randle does that, it's likely a TD, at worst, incomplete.

100% correct

"No way it's a slant.....but if it was...."

Good stuff.

Even funnier is the idea that Wrs don't run routes like that. All routes from that spot should be flat? Sure they are. And your asking for football cards from people?

The interesting thing is if he ran it flat the ball is even further behind him.

It was a bad throw to an open WR. End of story.

would look at the replay.

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It was a bad throw to an open WR. End of story.

It wasn't a great throw and it was a shitty route. But look at the replay. Even if el;i throws teh ball ahead of Randle, it is not a TD. Randle made it nearly impossible to fit the ball in because of fading to the back of the end zone.

Also, looking at the replay, it is apparent that there were better options for Eli - as pointed out above by AP and a few others.

Running a slant the DB is often on your hip. Is he supposed to run back to the QB?

That is not "100% correct." That is BS.

He's running free. No defender to the back of the end zone. Several at 2/3 yards deep. He shouldn't run to the open area because the DB is trailing? Ridiculous take and 100% incorrect.

I watched the replay 10+ times.
The throw travelled about 10 yards on a line. He had no time to adjust to a poorly thrown ball.

With nobody to Randles left Eli had a lot of space to make an easy throw. He stepped up in the pocket and had a great view. It was a bad throw. Lead the WR and it's an easy TD.

There was nobody there. All the help was at the end zone and 1-2 yards deep. Nobody was near Randle. A lot of open space righ in front of Eli. Lead the WR and it's an easy TD.

that are coming in from the left that would have probably made a play if he leads him.

In rewatching the play, it was actually not a good decision to target Randle there because it needed to be a perfect throw and Randle needed to not fade back - by doing so he allowed the trailing CB to pick off the pass and the DB from the left to come into the mix.

Frankly, it is a shitty route by Randle and a poor decision by Eli to throw it to him instead of Harris, especially since the pocket was still good.

going to be the longest debate thread of the day.

Fatman's comment seems true to me as well.

A little shame on Eli making that particular throw his choice, but nonetheless Randle's non-chalant behavior (as we have said numerous times before) makes this play a disaster.

In my mind, the biggest play of the game since we had a little mo' stopping them on 4th down and charging down the field and getting even 3 points would have been a turn of the tide with plenty of time left.

Was behind candle why did he drift to the back of the EZ?

Obviously randle

I disagree. Who are these guys coming in from the left?

They are several yards away and Randle is behind them. If he floats ia ball to back of end zone they have no shot.

If he simply throws the ball in front of Randle they aren't writhin several yards.

It was a 10 yard throw and QB had excellent view. It should have been an easy throw and TD.

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In comment 12652128 chris r said: Quote: about Eli from Abby than Dep. seriously, what's your point in life? I never saw a more pathetic, insecure, lowlife asshole in my life. you bring absolutely nothing to this board. you bring nothing to any discussion other than to be an asshole. you shit on posters constantly who are obviously much smarter than you, and when they call you out.... you ran like a total bitch. do you work? or do you rely on your mother to get through life? I doubt you are married or have kids because there isn't a woman in this world that insecure to lower their standards that much to have physical contact with you. do you have any social life, because I can see you getting the shit kicked out of you on a constant basis from people who think your act is fucking annoying. you sit her lurking, waiting for people to post and then bring your worn out act that not one person on the board likes to read. at some point are you ever going to do a self evaluation on yourself and realize that you are a scumbag and a low life loser? maybe you should. go out. make some friends. try to be friendly. sitting home, eating mommy's meatloaf, and mooching off of her is no way to live life. I am sure you get most excited in life is when the giants lose so you can purposely be an asshole. but here's a tip. I bet you jerk yourself while eating cheetos as players on giants fail so you can post here. tell your mom thst all of BBI feels sorry for her.

Sorry, but this is fucking hilarious coming from dep. Is there anyone who spends more time posting here than you do? And you are going to tell another poster they need to get a life? LOL at the irony.

another shitstain poster who contributes nothing to this site.

And eric wonders why donations are down.

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another shitstain poster who contributes nothing to this site. And eric wonders why donations are down.

LOL, I love that it took you all of 90 seconds to respond to my post saying you shouldn't be calling out anyone else for being a loser when you spend your whole life here obsessing about Eli and Handle. Even more irony!

I hope you and your family had a great holiday and upcoming happiness with xmas and new years coming up, Tesla.

RR needed to run a cleaner route. Ball behind him a bit. Take it as you will.

Tom Coughlin: "I think if the ball was placed properly" Rueben Randle would've caught the third-quarter touchdown.

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TC sounds a bit more like kwall then like yourself. and its odd I didn't see any reference of a post route....

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He said many times the throw was the problem.

I like how you moved the "little bit" part from his comment about the route to the throw.

After saying it was the throw yesterday. Here is the comment from today:

"Route could've been run a little bit cleaner but throw was behind."

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After saying it was the throw yesterday. Here is the comment from today: "Route could've been run a little bit cleaner but throw was behind."

which is what I just said. RR didnt run a clean route and the ball was behind him. Take it as you will.

he said a the route "could have been bit cleaner".

You said it was "behind him a bit"

You distorted the quote to try and meet your agenda.

of an open WR. And he is right in front of the QB.

Plenty of space to make the throw.

If Eli had it again he throws it to the yellow circle towards the back of the end zone for an easy TD

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he said a the route "could have been bit cleaner". You said it was "behind him a bit" You distorted the quote to try and meet your agenda.

sorry. when I use the word "bit", I'll be more accurate.

the fact is it was a bad route and a bad throw. time to move on.

the ball wouldnt have been behind him

he should have been working back in toward the goal line instead of drifting across.

That gets you open like that from inside the 5.

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In comment 12651392 AP in Halfmoon said: Quote: The bottom line is its not black and white lol. Randle is a whipping boy? No, Randle sucks ass. And the fact that he continues to play hurts our chances to win games. He makes more mistakes than plays. drop, faillure to secure a TD pass cause he didnt come back to the ball, and ran a lazy route that led to an INT. He was facing the other teams 4/5th string corner. He had 1 catch. Whipping boy my ass.

For you, yes- constantly. Eli said he threw it behind the receiver, the Coach said he threw it behind the receiver, and your eyes show you he threw it late and behind the receiver. Randle ran the route he was supposed to run, he didn't drift, because it was a slant and not a square in, (Harris was running the square in) and Randle was open.

Now I will give Eli the benefit of the doubt because there was a Redskin player on the goal line between Randle and Eli and either Eli didn't see Randle, which seems unlikely since Eli was looking at him the whole time, or he was waiting for Randle to clear that defender. At any rate, the pass was late and behind and the defender was able to undercut.

Not the end of the world, but people blaming Randle for running the wrong route and dumping on the usual scapegoat.

said the route should have been cleaner.

and if he is a whipping boy, it's because of his play. beat writers today have either called him out for lack of production or he should have less reps.

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of an open WR. And he is right in front of the QB. Plenty of space to make the throw. If Eli had it again he throws it to the yellow circle towards the back of the end zone for an easy TD

Exactly. Bad pass. It happens. But people blaming Randle for running the wrong route are wrong.

route. Randle ran a sloppy route.

There is absolutely no need to drift to the back when he had his man beat. None.

Eli probably should have gone to Harris there, but you can have two people making errors on the same play.

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said the route should have been cleaner. and if he is a whipping boy, it's because of his play. beat writers today have either called him out for lack of production or he should have less reps.

I don't give a shit what beat riders say. They have their agendas and whipping boys too; that's where most posters here get their ideas and memes.

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route. Randle ran a sloppy route. There is absolutely no need to drift to the back when he had his man beat. None. Eli probably should have gone to Harris there, but you can have two people making errors on the same play.

He doesn't "drift" to the back. He continues on the slant route until he tries reaching behind him for the ball.

Now if you are saying he should have cut the route off and squared it in the end zone, none of us know what his instructions are in that situation.

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In comment 12653558 dep026 said: Quote: said the route should have been cleaner. and if he is a whipping boy, it's because of his play. beat writers today have either called him out for lack of production or he should have less reps. I don't give a shit what beat riders say. They have their agendas and whipping boys too; that's where most posters here get their ideas and memes.

He's been benched. he's been called out by coaches. he's been called out by ex-players, analysts, and beat writers. he's been unproductive and has had a lot of games where he was a net negative.

but yeah... he's a whipping boy. poor rueben.

TC came out and said both the route and throw could have been better. Shared blame, and honestly, that's the way it looked on TV. RR's error or body of work got him benched temporarily.


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TC on the red-zone INT: "Route could've been run a little bit cleaner but throw was behind." #giants

"torture dep" thread. And I don't have to.

Nice work fu.

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"torture dep" thread. And I don't have to. Nice work fu.

hope yoh and your family had had a wonderful holiday. I hope your wine was the hit of every dinner involved.

It's not an even split. Look at the space in the screenshot. Eli stepped up and saw that and made a bad throw. For an NFL QB he should have no problem placing the ball on the WR outside from that distance and with that space.

The WR was wide open. The beef is he could have brought the defender up the field a little more? Is that it now? The defender said he knew the route and Randle was not going to go outside. He was going to undercut the route.

A different route does not mean he would have been open more.

Work back to the goal line? Why would he move from a wide open space to an area with defenders. There were 2 of them short in the end zone.

The WR did his job and gave the QB an easy play. He put his foot in the ground and got separation. The QB didn't make the play.

One of the biggest beefs we had was people saying he didn't adjust or come back to the ball. You don't see any coaches talking about that do you?

He was running free in the end zone. Ball was off. There was no time to adjust. It's on the QB.

I also didn't here anybody talking about benching the WR after the play. Was that more BS from some on BBI?

Moose Johnson was speculating that Coughlin took him out of the game.

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They wanted to gone Nicks a series

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It's not an even split. Look at the space in the screenshot. Eli stepped up and saw that and made a bad throw. For an NFL QB he should have no problem placing the ball on the WR outside from that distance and with that space. The WR was wide open. The beef is he could have brought the defender up the field a little more? Is that it now? The defender said he knew the route and Randle was not going to go outside. He was going to undercut the route. A different route does not mean he would have been open more. Work back to the goal line? Why would he move from a wide open space to an area with defenders. There were 2 of them short in the end zone. The WR did his job and gave the QB an easy play. He put his foot in the ground and got separation. The QB didn't make the play. One of the biggest beefs we had was people saying he didn't adjust or come back to the ball. You don't see any coaches talking about that do you? He was running free in the end zone. Ball was off. There was no time to adjust. It's on the QB. I also didn't here anybody talking about benching the WR after the play. Was that more BS from some on BBI?

That BS came right from Moose. Not only that, a series or two later Eli threw to RR and Moose said that Eli was a better man than him by continuing to have faith in RR.

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"No way it's a slant.....but if it was...." Good stuff. Even funnier is the idea that Wrs don't run routes like that. All routes from that spot should be flat? Sure they are. And your asking for football cards from people? The interesting thing is if he ran it flat the ball is even further behind him. It was a bad throw to an open WR. End of story.

You don't run it flat, you run it back towards the QB.

Year - NFL Rank

2015: 28th
2014: 28th
2013: 31st
2012: 19th
2011: 23rd
2010: 28th

The careless QB play in scoring position is not a new phenomenon. Even in some of his best seasons he is a below average performer in the red zone.

Different OL combos, Rushers, Receivers, Offensive Coordinators with offensive systems. Same QB. I love the guy but he's not a consistent producer in the red zone and its cost the team several games. These stats are empirical evidence of that fact.

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Year - NFL Rank 2015: 28th 2014: 28th 2013: 31st 2012: 19th 2011: 23rd 2010: 28th The careless QB play in scoring position is not a new phenomenon. Even in some of his best seasons he is a below average performer in the red zone. Different OL combos, Rushers, Receivers, Offensive Coordinators with offensive systems. Same QB. I love the guy but he's not a consistent producer in the red zone and its cost the team several games. These stats are empirical evidence of that fact.

BOOM! -

crickets

we were top 11 in TD%

Boom!!!!

link to the other thread you started that has discussion on the red zone QB rating instead of just re-printing it here?

you just don't quit, QB Rating (though I'm hoping you mean passer rating) is a nonsensical formula based on efficiency which double-counts completion percentage. In the red zone, the field shrinks and teams don't have to worry about deep threats.

Instead, efficient passing in the red zone is heavily influenced by certain factors, notably:
- a strong running game that prevents long downs and more importantly, sets up play action passes for easy touchdowns

- A good tight end. Tight ends are the biggest receiving bodies on the field and don't not need to beat defenders deep. Instead, they can use their big target and their body to box out defenders in the end zone. They are a great safety valve and a best friend for boosting passer rating.

- running backs who catch out of the backfield. Whether to beat a blitz or just great coverage, great receiving running backs are another safety valve for quarterbacks. Throws to them are the easiest to catch, and the nature of their skillset allow them to be elusive in smaller spaces and run in for touchdowns.


Since 2010, there was only one season when the Giants had ANY of those three factors and it was 2012 when they had Martellus Bennett. They still lacked a stout o-line, run-game, or dual-threat running back, but at least they had a very good tight end. Unsurprisingly, that was the highest rank of their sample.

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link to the other thread you started that has discussion on the red zone QB rating instead of just re-printing it here?

simple. for as much as of an agenda I have of defending eli.... you have posters who have a bigger hard on for ripping him. and posters who contribute nothing to this board but to further an agenda.