I'm not suggesting that all of their woes are tied to the QB play, but that INT in the end zone down 17-0 in the 3rd just...can't. happen. period.
No offensive momentum whatsoever to that point. Still early enough that any points on that drive would have been a success. On third down, to carelessly stare down the receiver and throw into traffic is just inexcusable. You have 2 INTs already to that point, which the defense more or less overcame. Eli needs to make a better decision there and it's not debateable. That not a mistake that should be happening to someone in their 12th year. Inexusible, and the critical mistake ended up costing them the game. The carelessness will always be a major flaw for #10
It was a pass that R2 should have caught by running the route properly.
Clear as day on the replay.
Eli missed some plays today, but that wasn't one of them, looking back at it.
no, that was on Eli. Who run's perfect routes with guys standing in front of you come on now.
It's really hard to say that though. Eli let the ball go because Randle had beaten his man. He was open. The problem was he faded away at the end of the route, giving the defender space to cut underneath him. If he runs his route properly , that ball hits him in the chest.
BUT: If Randle had run square or even slightly back towards the goal line and the ball was thrown at or behind him, then the defender would have to go THROUGH RR to get the ball. It would have been interference, incomplete, or RR would have good position in a fight for the ball.
I wonder how Nicks would have run that route...
Well, then I guess you'll take 5-6 because that's all you've got.
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the blame more strongly belongs to Randle, he didn't finish his route and got lazy as he often does, and he allowed the DB to undercut his route, just as Moose said on-air.
no, that was on Eli. Who run's perfect routes with guys standing in front of you come on now.
the man undercut the route because Randle faded away to the back of the endzone. Cardinal sin for a WR. That habit is what gives DBs chances at picks.
2) the ball shouldn't have been thrown
there... discussion over.
Randle has missed a total of 2 games in 4 years. All of Eli's best receivers have had short careers. Makes you wonder how many of the injuries come from gamers trying to make something out of an erratic pass.
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but WRs can do things to help their QB randle never does any of that.
Randle has missed a total of 2 games in 4 years. All of Eli's best receivers have had short careers. Makes you wonder how many of the injuries come from gamers trying to make something out of an erratic pass.
HA! Now I've truly seen it all.
When has Eli EVER said the INT was on somebody other than him?
News at 11.
Funny how Randle was benched the following series, right?
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but WRs can do things to help their QB randle never does any of that.
Randle has missed a total of 2 games in 4 years. All of Eli's best receivers have had short careers. Makes you wonder how many of the injuries come from gamers trying to make something out of an erratic pass.
Burress shot himself.
Steve Smith got his leg caught while fighting to pick up YAC, well after the ball was easily secured.
Cruz popped his knee cap on an easy catch in weird fashion that had nothing to with a bad throw.
Manningham was fine physically when he left here.
Toomer played until he was well and naturally forked.
Nicks got caught and yanked from behind while running for YAC then stepped on on the plays that most point to leading to his problems.
1. Eli never has thrown a WR under the bus and never will
2. The broadcast crew called it for what it was. They said exactly what I typed. Randle ran a terrible route.
3. After the INT, the coaching staff benched Randle in favor of Nicks for a series. Read into that what you will.
4. You could see Randle standing on the sideline very angry and frustrated.
5. In the 4th quarter after Randle ran a slant route to the improper depth, Moose Johnson commented on it, and said "if I'm Eli, I start to look to my other options."
No one is scapegoating Randle. He is not a precise WR, and it kills you in this type of offense.
News at 11.
Funny how Randle was benched the following series, right?
ding, ding, ding
lol. Randle is a whipping boy? No, Randle sucks ass. And the fact that he continues to play hurts our chances to win games.
He makes more mistakes than plays. drop, faillure to secure a TD pass cause he didnt come back to the ball, and ran a lazy route that led to an INT.
He was facing the other teams 4/5th string corner. He had 1 catch. Whipping boy my ass.
We need red zone threats. Have 1. That's not nearly enough.
Eli can't help it if Randle fades away from the ball after it is thrown.
Even on the goal line, he should just throw to Beckham every time ...
INT in the end zone - ( New Window )
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but WRs can do things to help their QB randle never does any of that.
Randle has missed a total of 2 games in 4 years. All of Eli's best receivers have had short careers. Makes you wonder how many of the injuries come from gamers trying to make something out of an erratic pass.
Burress shot himself.
Steve Smith got his leg caught while fighting to pick up YAC, well after the ball was easily secured.
Cruz popped his knee cap on an easy catch in weird fashion that had nothing to with a bad throw.
Manningham was fine physically when he left here.
Toomer played until he was well and naturally forked.
Nicks got caught and yanked from behind while running for YAC then stepped on on the plays that most point to leading to his problems.
I'll add the TEs:
Bennett left here for a bigger contract, in fine physical condition.
Shiancoe didn't play much, left pretty healthy and produced before fizzling for Minnesota.
Shockey's final injury with the Giants (before he forced his way out) had to do with a teammate rolling him and most of his nagging problems before then had to do with his play in the trenches.
Ballard first hurt his knee blocking apparently, aggravated it catching a pass, had it get worse over time because he kept playing on it, and then blew it completely out on the sidelines in the Super Bowl.
Boss did have concussion issues that you could partially pin on him getting smacked in traffic on a couple high throws, so there is your one, I guess.
Pascoe generally stayed and left healthy.
Donnell hurt his neck thanks to his tumbling routine that I'm pretty sure Eli didn't teach him.
Brandon Myers sucked and left here the same terrible garbage time compiler with glue on his feet, grease on his fingers, and a nose for coming up short of the sticks he came in as.
We need red zone threats. Have 1. That's not nearly enough.
Just to point out, that first pass to Randle in the endzone was also incomplete and almost intercepted because once again he did not work back to the ball. If he does, it's a TD.
Negative, Randle was passed the defender, thats why eli threw it, defender was beaten, but by moving toward end zone you are lengthening the ball travel distance.. thus giving the defender more time to catch up to the ball.
If randle stays straight does't drift the timing is on where defender is still behind.
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But I think it's a pick even if he runs a sharper route. The ball shouldn't have been thrown
Negative, Randle was passed the defender, thats why eli threw it, defender was beaten, but by moving toward end zone you are lengthening the ball travel distance.. thus giving the defender more time to catch up to the ball.
If randle stays straight does't drift the timing is on where defender is still behind.
(should say back of end zone ).
People, for those of you who think he shouldnt have thrown it? It would have been a TD, if he completed the play. It befuddles why people stick up for RR still. This year 4! Not first year. Not 2nd year. Not the first time, not the 500th time.
He's a negative player. By ridding him of the roster, you have already improved.
Eli can't help it if Randle fades away from the ball after it is thrown.
Thank you! To me, this was as clear as day. It's also why he was benched for the next series.
Even on the goal line, he should just throw to Beckham every time ... INT in the end zone - ( New Window )
from that angle it looks like Eli threw behind and right in front of the 2 defenders.
Even on the goal line, he should just throw to Beckham every time ... INT in the end zone - ( New Window )
Good point. I was thinking on thE last drive Eli should just chuck it up to Beckham and let him play defense if needed but if nothing else he may draw a PI. Those short passes accomplish nothing.
“I mean it’s just special to be in this moment, period,” Dunbar said. “I grew up wanting to play in the NFL, now I’m here. I grew up watching Eli Manning, so and I made a play on him, so that’s special to me.”
On 3rd-and-goal from the Redskins’ four-yard line, Manning tried to hit Rueben Randle – who scored in the first matchup of division foes in Week 3 -- on a slant route.
Instead of connecting for a touchdown, Dunbar jumped in front of the pass.
“He ran a snap and I knew he wasn't coming back outside,” Dunbar said of Randle’s route. “So I just undercut it and made a play on the ball.”
In his weekly preparations for the Giants, Dunbar saw certain tendencies on situations like the third down play. They did it again on Sunday, leading to his first career interception.
“Like I said, he ran a breaking route and I knocked the ball down,” Dunbar said. “That’s all. It’s film study all through the week.”
Player 2: I was open, ball was behind me.
Just the mindset of the 2 shows that one is a champion and the other is a chump.
He's been doing this from day one.
He is an INT machine.
When you need to run the route at 11 yards and you run it at 9 the ball is coming out of the QB's hand on it's way to 11 yards. Randle under runs and over runs the route all the time.
He also doesn't go up for the ball well and fight for the ball. When he was drafted he was supposed to be good at that.
Boy did reese get it wrong on this guy. Another wasted #2 pick. Marvin Austin and Randle two #2 draft pick busts ala reese. Reese sucks in the later rounds but he's had some real fucking head scratchers and busts in rounds 2 and 3. Bromley???? LOL he picks Browmley in the 3rd when he could have been had in a later round. Jury us still out on him but so far I'm just not seeing anything special about Bromley. Da Monster Moore sucks too. DaMonster....ROFLOL...he doesn't scare anyone. Just another wasted pick. Roughing the passer penalty waiting to happen. Or some other bone headed penalty. He should be in a 3-4 defense. Reese continues to draft players that don't fit our defense.
Out curiousity how does one conclude that Randle improperly ran that route? Because Moose said so?
Player 2: I was open, ball was behind me.
Just the mindset of the 2 shows that one is a champion and the other is a chump.
You forgot:
Player 3: I saw that one on tape, not gonna happen let's jump it..interception good luck winning the game now chumps 1 and 2 and now we are division leaders...
Out curiousity how does one conclude that Randle improperly ran that route? Because Moose said so?
No, because when a WR breaks in on a route, you break flat to the line. As in perpendicular to the line of scrimmage. This present a large fat target to the QB and allows you to use your body to shield the ball away from the DB who have you hopefully just beaten with you hard cut to the inside. If you fade back, as in downfield (or toward the back of the endzone) you create a smaller target for the QB and give the DB room to undercut the route and make a play on the ball.
It's route running 101.
No, the second INT was certainly his fault, Bad decision. Harris almost bailed him out.
Reason I do not buy any of this sometimes. In his presser he was quick to parse and point out that the tips did not result in any points that hurt the Giants (nice to know). Point is he is getting paid a great deal of many, so mistakes he makes are fair game for discussion.