I'm not suggesting that all of their woes are tied to the QB play, but that INT in the end zone down 17-0 in the 3rd just...can't. happen. period.
No offensive momentum whatsoever to that point. Still early enough that any points on that drive would have been a success. On third down, to carelessly stare down the receiver and throw into traffic is just inexcusable. You have 2 INTs already to that point, which the defense more or less overcame. Eli needs to make a better decision there and it's not debateable. That not a mistake that should be happening to someone in their 12th year. Inexusible, and the critical mistake ended up costing them the game. The carelessness will always be a major flaw for #10
Vereen caused the other INT because he turned up the field before catching the football.
Harris got popped. You can't blame him too much for that he got hit and defenders make plays and create turn overs. It was a tough break for Harris who has been a good player for the most part especially on specials. So that INT also was not ELI's fault.
THe randle INT route all he fucking had to do was box out the defender a little and go after that ball a little harder.
He over ran that route and needed to come back to the ball.
I don't see any of the INT's on ELI.
Eli and OBJ have no help out there. You need your #2 WR to contribute and make plays. Just look at randle,,,,,he brings nothing to the team. Get Geremy Davis out there. Davis was supposed to be the sleeper pick by reese. Reese could of had him in udrafted FA but used a 6th on him,,,,,,so let's see it. He can't suck any worse than randle.
It wasn't ELI's fault.
None of the INT's today were ELI's fault.
Vereeen and Harris certainly weren't.
Face it...randle botched another route. He fucking does it all the time. All the time.
He cuts in just a little he boxes out the receiver. Randle didn't play smart there if anything. But Coughlin benched him so that shows it was him screwing up once again.
Out curiousity how does one conclude that Randle improperly ran that route? Because Moose said so?
A blind person could see he ran a shitty route. As soon as it was picked I jumped up screaming that I didn't need Moose to tell me that. The play was a quick route across the middle and he looped it instead of cutting it hard like he's done on just about every one of those for 4 godamn years. Doesn't even care to try an out-muscle the DB and establish position. I'll blame Eli for this- why in the hell would you try and fit one in in a tight spot to that loser when you've seen what he is for 4 seasons now. The 2nd INT was on Eli, poor decision and throw.
Every other non-biased football fan in America says 'Wow, another end zone interception from Eli Manning. How backbreaking for that team."
Are the Giant WRs the only ones that have route running trouble, because I never hear that from others teams but on this board from Gilbride now through the McAdoo years it's a common theme and rationale for mind numbing dumb interceptions.
It's not taking away from the Chnampionships and MVPs. But the careless mistakes at a higher rate than typical are reality that must be acknowledged.
Every other non-biased football fan in America says 'Wow, another end zone interception from Eli Manning. How backbreaking for that team."
You are referring to the unbiased announcing crew, who immediately said Randle ran the wrong route and went into explanation why he did so? Those non-biased people?
BBI is a fucking joke with these shitstains with agendas.
Every other non-biased football fan in America says 'Wow, another end zone interception from Eli Manning. How backbreaking for that team."
Are the Giant WRs the only ones that have route running trouble, because I never hear that from others teams but on this board from Gilbride now through the McAdoo years it's a common theme and rationale for mind numbing dumb interceptions.
It's not taking away from the Chnampionships and MVPs. But the careless mistakes at a higher rate than typical are reality that must be acknowledged.
So you are saying the route was correctly run then...
Wouldnt have pissed poor if the route was ran correctly. Kind of the point of the whole thread. He shortens his route, the ball doesnt travel as far...
agreed. the first down pass was late... would have been 6 if led.
the INT just should not have been thrown. RR needs to battle more, but anyone saying "if he runs flat its a TD"... is just full of crap. the DB was right there and DBs have been jumping routes all year in the red zone for all teams.
News at 11.
Its like clockwork.
What does that tell you?
It tells me he screwed up once again. Just like he always does.
Even IF he did run the route correctly all he fucking had to do was cut in a little and box out the defender and make an effort for the ball. the least wrong then is he didn't play smart there. PLus He sucks at going after the ball and beating out the defender, out jumping the defender and ripping the ball down. He should have made a play there and caught the ball not the defender. He let the defender win that one. But I believe moose and others that say he botched the route. Or was not on the same page as ELI. Eli squeezed that one in as best he can. WR needs to make a play there and reel one in.
False. RR was open. He didnt finish the route.
News at 11.
Its like clockwork.
i just sat and watched the play 4 times... their is no absolving. the decision to throw there was not ideal. the route was not crisp but he also was not very open. he was more open on first down. DBs all year on MANY teams have been coached up in the red zone to jump routes. randle needed less depth but at the same time the ball was either late or should not have been directed there.
first down is the play we should have scored on.
please try to discuss football instead of discussing posters... you might find you will post less and the times you do will maybe add value.
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absolves WR from plays, blames both on Eli.
News at 11.
Its like clockwork.
i just sat and watched the play 4 times... their is no absolving. the decision to throw there was not ideal. the route was not crisp but he also was not very open. he was more open on first down. DBs all year on MANY teams have been coached up in the red zone to jump routes. randle needed less depth but at the same time the ball was either late or should not have been directed there.
first down is the play we should have scored on.
please try to discuss football instead of discussing posters... you might find you will post less and the times you do will maybe add value.
You can watch it 100 times. RR had an opportunity to score twice. The first play was not a perfect throw. No argument, but it was good enough considered he was pressured for him to just come back on the ball and catch it. but he waited on it. And the DB made a play. At 6'4 over 200 pounds, he got outmuscled by a smaller player.
On the INT, he and Eli admitted he was open. So regardless if you think he should have thrown it is irrelevant now. He broke free. But instead of shortening his route, he runs to the post instead of a slant. If he runs the slant, its a shorter throw for Eli. Is it a guaranteed completiin? No, nothing is. But the chance of it being caught by Randle than the defender is much, much higher. '
Both illustrates the problem with RR. Not tough, and a lazy route. But you keep absolving him time after time. Its ok to blame Randle when he fucks up game after game.
How many slants are gimme TD's just because of body position?
Randle was open - and he faded away from the ball AFTER it was thrown.
That appears to be the point a lot of people are missing. When Eli threw the ball, Randle is open by at least a step.
he was not as open when the ball was thrown... thus the comment ... it was a poor route... and it should not have been thrown.
FMIC you are saying "he had a step"... yes... and the ball wasnt thrown when he had a step... because the LB/safety was there.
Watch his head. When did he see the ball? And how much time to adjust after seeing he ball? He had one step. That's it.
The announcer went overboard blaming Randle. It was a quick slant with very little time to adjust. If his right foot isn't in position to plant and come back he had no chance. They didn't show that on the replay.
Eli had a guy open on the slant and threw it behind him. If the QB puts a stronger throw on the WR it's a TD
WTF does that mean.
That's a BS comment.
He ran a slant. He was open. The only beef you can possibly have about Randle was not adjusting to the throw and being more aggressive. This is a questionable beef because of the amount of time he actually had to make any adjustment.
Watch his head. When did he see the ball? And how much time to adjust after seeing he ball? He had one step. That's it.
The announcer went overboard blaming Randle. It was a quick slant with very little time to adjust. If his right foot isn't in position to plant and come back he had no chance. They didn't show that on the replay.
Eli had a guy open on the slant and threw it behind him. If the QB puts a stronger throw on the WR it's a TD
he didnt run a slant. He ran to the post. Which caused a longer throw.
Watch his head. When did he see the ball? And how much time to adjust after seeing he ball? He had one step. That's it.
The announcer went overboard blaming Randle. It was a quick slant with very little time to adjust. If his right foot isn't in position to plant and come back he had no chance. They didn't show that on the replay.
Eli had a guy open on the slant and threw it behind him. If the QB puts a stronger throw on the WR it's a TD
I agree with this. It's not black and white and all one person's fault. It could have been a better throw and route. Randle could have shortened the route but he has about 1 second to adjust to the throw. If he adjusts sooner it might have been a TD. If Eli gets the ball in front of him it could have been a TD. It's football
if a slant isnt thrown at the right time it will continue up field a bit.
It's possible the WR could have been more aggressive but he had very little time to make any type of adjustment.
if a slant isnt thrown at the right time it will continue up field a bit.
Slants are not suppose to be run that deep. Hes close to 8 yards deep in the end zone. Slants are not suppose to be 12-13 yards deep. Hence why he ran it wrong.
Eli can't help it if Randle fades away from the ball after it is thrown.
also, the type of pass it is requires timing and the route to be run correctly. There isn;t debate going on in ELi'S head. That's the play, thats where the pass is going. The receiver needs to have position and he didnt
he was open and the ball wasnt thrown (because there was a LB/safety in the way... when the ball was thrown... he was no longer open.
So I guess FMiC take is laughable too since he literally just said the same thing as me.
Theres a reason why Randle was benched the next series. It wasnt because he ran the right route.
Good try though. Your attempt of knowledge is whats laughable.
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run a slant. I made a comment about a slant, regarding body position. He ran an in route and was open at his cut.
he was open and the ball wasnt thrown (because there was a LB/safety in the way... when the ball was thrown... he was no longer open.
Wrong. He beat his man, which is clear as day. But instead of running a slant, he ran a longer route. If he ran the route he was suppose to, there would have been a window for him to be hit. But since he ran deeper into the end zone than he was suppose to, thats why the ball was behind him. He ran a longer route.
Hence why he sat on the sidelines next drive.
That's a comment full of knowledge.
no, to me it looked like he ran a post. FMiC says in route. whatever it was, it was not a slant.
That was absolutely a slant - because of the ball position a post would have been impossible to run (no room to run it).
Regardless, the ball was thrown a few feet behind RR. That error, in addition to his drifting toward the back of the endzone created that INT.
When Eli watches the tape, I don't think he'll say, "Rueben screwed up" as much as he'll say, "I should have seen those other guys."
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Watch the replay. Eli throws the ball as soon as Randle makes his cut. He can't envision him fading when he should run straight across.
By the way, a slant is a diagonal route that should never flatten out - in fact a flattened out slant would be a terrible route and would get a QB in trouble as well.
I think we can all agree that a post route wouldnt be run from the 5, which make it more mystifying why Randle was there!!!!
Watch the replay, he is at the back of the K in "REDSKINS" when the pick happens. Seems like he is heading to the goal post to me.
That was absolutely a slant - because of the ball position a post would have been impossible to run (no room to run it).
Regardless, the ball was thrown a few feet behind RR. That error, in addition to his drifting toward the back of the endzone created that INT.
But you're not a 1%er in football knowledge.
That was absolutely a slant - because of the ball position a post would have been impossible to run (no room to run it).
Regardless, the ball was thrown a few feet behind RR. That error, in addition to his drifting toward the back of the endzone created that INT.
I think the point that needs to be made is that the route was probably suppose to be a slant, but he didnt run one as that. He drifted way to deep to the point where he drifted to the goal posts. That is not how slants are run.
Hence why he was benched.
On his cut on the slant he had PLENTY of separation. Eli missed the throw. That should be the end of he story here.
The announcer was out of line ripping Randle for it. Which is probably why some of you here think Randle played it like a chump.
On that type of route he had very little time to make an adjustment.