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The INT in the end zone, down 17-0

BlueManFu : 11/29/2015 7:54 pm
I'm not suggesting that all of their woes are tied to the QB play, but that INT in the end zone down 17-0 in the 3rd just...can't. happen. period.

No offensive momentum whatsoever to that point. Still early enough that any points on that drive would have been a success. On third down, to carelessly stare down the receiver and throw into traffic is just inexcusable. You have 2 INTs already to that point, which the defense more or less overcame. Eli needs to make a better decision there and it's not debateable. That not a mistake that should be happening to someone in their 12th year. Inexusible, and the critical mistake ended up costing them the game. The carelessness will always be a major flaw for #10
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"Seems like he's heading to the goal post"  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 10:26 pm : link
It's time to stop.
RE: Look at the tape, frame by frame.  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 10:28 pm : link
In comment 12651763 CT Charlie said:
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You can't watch the replay and say that Eli made a good throw or that he made the best decision. Both Harris and Beckham beat their one-on-one coverage, whereas RR was in a crowd.

When Eli watches the tape, I don't think he'll say, "Rueben screwed up" as much as he'll say, "I should have seen those other guys." Link - ( New Window )


But you're not a 1%er either. I will agree he missed Harris who was wide open. I'm sure a near constant lack of a clean pocket is part of that.
RE:  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 10:29 pm : link
In comment 12651792 KWALL2 said:
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It's time to stop.


he wasnt running toward the goal post? You sure about that? Have you watched a single replay? I doubt it.

You do realize most slants dont go further than 10 yards downfield, right? Care to explain why he was benched then? With your expertise of the play?
i love the people  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 10:31 pm : link
defending RR, yet cant give a single credible reason why he was benched.
He didn't go 10 yards  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 10:33 pm : link
But carry on

RE: He didn't go 10 yards  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 10:34 pm : link
In comment 12651811 KWALL2 said:
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But carry on


You're right. It closer to 12-13 yards. Carry on though.

No answer on why he was benched yet?
Look at the link..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/29/2015 10:35 pm : link
posted at 10:19. It is clearly not a slant route. You don't run slants by going forward for 5 yards and then fading towards the back oft he end zone.

The LOS was the 4 yard line and Randle doesn't cut in until he gets a yard into the end zone.

That isn't a slant. I'll be damned, but it does look like a post because he ran the route poorly.

And I dont know why people are telling me its not a post  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 10:37 pm : link
well no kidding, Eli didnt throw it like one. But RR sure as hell didnt run it as a slant either. Thats the problem. Thats why the corner cut underneath it. He made the route longer than it was suppose too.

Thats why the ball is behind him because he ran a deeper pattern than expected. If he runs it crisp and more across the middle, theres a good chance it hits him in stride or more catchable.
Pretty obvious to me that the people  
Giants in 07 : 11/29/2015 10:38 pm : link
that always blame Eli are going to blame Eli on that play. The people that could be subjective in what they watch, break down the play and realize that Randle is brain dead are going to correctly understand that Randle constantly puts Eli in positions such as this one.

Whether it's running the wrong routes or being lazy, such as drifting to the back of the end zone when you have your man beat and the ball is thrown already, are just some of the reasons that I can't wait to not have to watch and root for Randle come next year. Hopefully.
Ive already looked at the entire 2016 FA class  
F-18WARVET : 11/29/2015 10:40 pm : link
WR depth is pretty good ... highly doubt RR get an extension next year
RE: Ive already looked at the entire 2016 FA class  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 10:41 pm : link
In comment 12651828 F-18WARVET said:
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WR depth is pretty good ... highly doubt RR get an extension next year


marvin Jones or Rishard Matthews please.
Fmic  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 10:44 pm : link
He cut after 1 yards and adjusted his route around the lb.

He did a jab step. The 2nd time his outside foot hit he cut to the slant. Adjusted the route around the LB.

RE: Fmic  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 10:46 pm : link
In comment 12651837 KWALL2 said:
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He cut after 1 yards and adjusted his route around the lb.

He did a jab step. The 2nd time his outside foot hit he cut to the slant. Adjusted the route around the LB.


lol. He just wont stop. everyone else in the world is wrong by KWALL. He still cant answer why he was benched.

He ran the route wrong, lazily, bad, horrible, imprecise.... use whatever adjective you want. He was benched for a reason. Its not the first time he has been benched, and it probably wont be his last time either.

Its ok to admit RR fucked up and move on.
I don't understand the argument  
Giants in 07 : 11/29/2015 10:47 pm : link
Randle was benched after the play.

If it wasn't for costing his team points, then why was he benched?
RE: I don't understand the argument  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 10:50 pm : link
In comment 12651841 Giants in 07 said:
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Randle was benched after the play.

If it wasn't for costing his team points, then why was he benched?


We don't know. You can speculate why Nicks played a series. Perhaps to give Nicks some live reps? Why did he come back after a series? We don't know the answer.
Yup  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 10:50 pm : link
1 yard. He cut at the 3. Slant. Adjusts around LB. Wide open. No time to adjust after the throw.

It's on Eli. He had plenty of space to make the throw.
RE: I don't understand the argument  
BlueClaw : 11/29/2015 10:51 pm : link
In comment 12651841 Giants in 07 said:
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Randle was benched after the play.

If it wasn't for costing his team points, then why was he benched?


^^^^^^^^Exactly right. He screwed up.....coughlin had him sit a few.
of course its on Eli  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 10:52 pm : link
its always on Eli after the play. Everyone is wrong but KWALL.

If he is running a slant, and is running around to get around a LB, he is running the route wrong anwyays. But KWALL knows all. Everyone else is wrong. Pat Traina is wrong. Moose Johnston is wrong. Carl Banks is wrong.
RE: RE: I don't understand the argument  
Giants in 07 : 11/29/2015 10:53 pm : link
In comment 12651848 AP in Halfmoon said:
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In comment 12651841 Giants in 07 said:


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Randle was benched after the play.

If it wasn't for costing his team points, then why was he benched?



We don't know. You can speculate why Nicks played a series. Perhaps to give Nicks some live reps? Why did he come back after a series? We don't know the answer.


I mean,..you can speculate if you want.

It's kinda right in front of you in black and white though.
Hold on  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 10:55 pm : link
Everybody here agree with you? Is that how you see it?
RE: RE: RE: I don't understand the argument  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 10:56 pm : link
In comment 12651858 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 12651848 AP in Halfmoon said:


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In comment 12651841 Giants in 07 said:


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Randle was benched after the play.

If it wasn't for costing his team points, then why was he benched?



We don't know. You can speculate why Nicks played a series. Perhaps to give Nicks some live reps? Why did he come back after a series? We don't know the answer.



I mean,..you can speculate if you want.

It's kinda right in front of you in black and white though.


As I said above, it's hardly black and white. Both the route and pass could have been better. Keep speculating if you want.
RE: Hold on  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 10:57 pm : link
In comment 12651866 KWALL2 said:
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Everybody here agree with you? Is that how you see it?


A fair amount of people here do. Some expert analysts do. Beat writers do. I think its safe to say your on your limb with a few RR supporters.

its ok to be wrong KWALL. I know you like putting up the good fight and never admit when you are wrong.
Cant say the pass has to be better  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 10:58 pm : link
if the route was run correctly. What if the pass hit him in the chest if he ran where Eli thought he was going to be?
So, NONE of the int's were Eli's fault?  
Doomster : 11/29/2015 10:58 pm : link
The one to Vereen? Absolutely not on Eli...

The second one to Harris? How did Harris get the ball? Blackmon should have intercepted it...it went off his hands to Harris....

Everyone is talking about the route by Randle...if he broke it sharper towards the middle, wouldn't the ball have been farther behind him? If Eli leads him, does it get intercepted? My knock on Randle is his lack of effort to catch it....bad pass....
INT in the end zone  
Colin@gbn : 11/29/2015 10:59 pm : link
Just so KWALL doesn't feel totally alone; I watched the play at least 10 times and it appears pretty clear that RR runs a great plant and slant route and is about as open as an NFL receiver is ever going to be; indeed, it shouldn't have been much more than pitch-and-catch with Eli but the pass is behind him and the rest is history. And the Giants may have in fact 'benched' RR after the play but in his post game presser when he was asked about the play Coughlin simply said 'the receiver was running open in the end zone and the pass was behind him' You can look that up!
Some is not soak asshole  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 10:59 pm : link
Don't pull BS out of your ass.

Who are these expert analysts? I missed all of them ripping the WR and give the QB a pass on the throw.
I think everyone agrees  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 10:59 pm : link
that the first one was Vereens fault and the 2nd was Eli's fault.

The third one, people who always absolve RR continue to do so for reasons unknown to man.
Some is not ALL  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 11:00 pm : link
Asshole.

That is to the joker known as Dep
hey KWALL  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 11:02 pm : link
has a new friend. I dont agree with him. I have watched the play many times now. There is no way you can call that slant as how he finished the route.

I am sorry. Ill take that to my grave. He was open. No one is denying that. What we are saying is that he lets the defender become a factor in the play due to a lazy route at the end.
the comments in this thread are funny...  
EricJ : 11/29/2015 11:02 pm : link
how the hell does anyone know what Randle's route was SUPPOSED to be? It is possible that he ran it exactly how it was drawn up...OR that he didn't.

The shit that is being thrown around here is just ridiculous.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't understand the argument  
Giants in 07 : 11/29/2015 11:02 pm : link
In comment 12651870 AP in Halfmoon said:
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In comment 12651858 Giants in 07 said:


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In comment 12651848 AP in Halfmoon said:


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In comment 12651841 Giants in 07 said:


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Randle was benched after the play.

If it wasn't for costing his team points, then why was he benched?



We don't know. You can speculate why Nicks played a series. Perhaps to give Nicks some live reps? Why did he come back after a series? We don't know the answer.



I mean,..you can speculate if you want.

It's kinda right in front of you in black and white though.



As I said above, it's hardly black and white. Both the route and pass could have been better. Keep speculating if you want.


When the commentators, both Tv and Radio, and beat writers all point to it being Randle's fault..and then add the fact that he was benched directly afterwards, it seems pretty obvious.

Could the throw have been better? Maybe.. Looked like the ball was right where it needed to be to me. Randle overran and drifted on his route.
RE: INT in the end zone  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 11:02 pm : link
In comment 12651877 Colin@gbn said:
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Just so KWALL doesn't feel totally alone; I watched the play at least 10 times and it appears pretty clear that RR runs a great plant and slant route and is about as open as an NFL receiver is ever going to be; indeed, it shouldn't have been much more than pitch-and-catch with Eli but the pass is behind him and the rest is history. And the Giants may have in fact 'benched' RR after the play but in his post game presser when he was asked about the play Coughlin simply said 'the receiver was running open in the end zone and the pass was behind him' You can look that up!


Are you a 1%er?
RE: INT in the end zone  
Giants in 07 : 11/29/2015 11:04 pm : link
In comment 12651877 Colin@gbn said:
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Just so KWALL doesn't feel totally alone; I watched the play at least 10 times and it appears pretty clear that RR runs a great plant and slant route and is about as open as an NFL receiver is ever going to be; indeed, it shouldn't have been much more than pitch-and-catch with Eli but the pass is behind him and the rest is history. And the Giants may have in fact 'benched' RR after the play but in his post game presser when he was asked about the play Coughlin simply said 'the receiver was running open in the end zone and the pass was behind him' You can look that up!


Colin, it's clear as day that Randle drifts to the back of the endzone on the play.
RE: He didn't run a slant?  
montanagiant : 11/29/2015 11:05 pm : link
In comment 12651728 KWALL2 said:
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It was a route where he cut to the post oafter his outside foot hit the ground the 2nd time. That's not a slant?

That was not supposed to be a slant. He ran an in-route and rounded his cut and then drifted away from the ball. It was a shitty run route and if he ran it like he should have it was never in a position to be intercepted. Claiming he ran a slant is ridiculous because that would have been a worse run route then the crappy in route he did run
RE: RE: INT in the end zone  
montanagiant : 11/29/2015 11:06 pm : link
In comment 12651889 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 12651877 Colin@gbn said:


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Just so KWALL doesn't feel totally alone; I watched the play at least 10 times and it appears pretty clear that RR runs a great plant and slant route and is about as open as an NFL receiver is ever going to be; indeed, it shouldn't have been much more than pitch-and-catch with Eli but the pass is behind him and the rest is history. And the Giants may have in fact 'benched' RR after the play but in his post game presser when he was asked about the play Coughlin simply said 'the receiver was running open in the end zone and the pass was behind him' You can look that up!



Colin, it's clear as day that Randle drifts to the back of the endzone on the play.

Absolutely, that is a shitteir run slant then his crappy in route
RE: the comments in this thread are funny...  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 11:06 pm : link
In comment 12651884 EricJ said:
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how the hell does anyone know what Randle's route was SUPPOSED to be? It is possible that he ran it exactly how it was drawn up...OR that he didn't.

The shit that is being thrown around here is just ridiculous.


Someone here knows more about football than 99% of the posters, that's how
He's 7-8 yards  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 11:07 pm : link
deep in the end zone when the INT happens. I dont understand how anyone thinks that is where he is suppose to be.
The throw was only behind Randle  
Matt M. : 11/29/2015 11:07 pm : link
if that was a slant. It didn't seem like it was supposed to be slant.
RE: the comments in this thread are funny...  
montanagiant : 11/29/2015 11:08 pm : link
In comment 12651884 EricJ said:
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how the hell does anyone know what Randle's route was SUPPOSED to be? It is possible that he ran it exactly how it was drawn up...OR that he didn't.

The shit that is being thrown around here is just ridiculous.

If that is the case why was he benched for a series then?
You can get a clue  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 11:08 pm : link
On theroute from the cut at the 3 yard line. Outside foot plants he cuts as a slant. Lb is in the path and he adjusts around him. And runs to the "post". (Wait that's a post)

He's wide open. QB throws it behind him.

I'm not a Randle fan but he had no time to make any adjustment after ball is thrown. None.

The announce Johnson talked about him coming back to the ball. I say once that ball left Eli's hand he had no time to adjust.

Throw was off target. And no need for it because there was nobody on the other side of Randle.

RE: The throw was only behind Randle  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 11:08 pm : link
In comment 12651899 Matt M. said:
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if that was a slant. It didn't seem like it was supposed to be slant.


Thats the thing. No one knows what he ran. He gets open, and then just drifts to no mans land.
RE: the comments in this thread are funny...  
Giants in 07 : 11/29/2015 11:09 pm : link
In comment 12651884 EricJ said:
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how the hell does anyone know what Randle's route was SUPPOSED to be? It is possible that he ran it exactly how it was drawn up...OR that he didn't.

The shit that is being thrown around here is just ridiculous.


Eric, by looking at the timing of when Eli threw the pass, right out of Randle's break, you could tell what kind of route Randle was supposed to be running.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't understand the argument  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 11:09 pm : link
You lose all credibility with this"

Looked like the ball was right where it needed to be to me.
this argument is like "moops!" ... "Moores!"  
micky : 11/29/2015 11:10 pm : link
"Moops!" "Moores"
RE: He's 7-8 yards  
montanagiant : 11/29/2015 11:11 pm : link
In comment 12651898 dep026 said:
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deep in the end zone when the INT happens. I dont understand how anyone thinks that is where he is suppose to be.

On top of that why would he run a slant when the safety had vacated the middle? An in-route Without drifting away from the ball is the best choice.
Why was he benched?  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 11:11 pm : link
We don't know why. An overreaction maybe. What did the coaches say after reviewing the play? That's all that matters.

Maybe the coach didn't have he chance to see that replay which pretty clearly shows he was wide open and had no chance to adjust.
its amazing  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 11:13 pm : link
in a career of lazy route running, miscommunications, wrong routes, bad practice habits, and inconsistent play...

people will still defend RR.
RE: You can get a clue  
montanagiant : 11/29/2015 11:13 pm : link
In comment 12651901 KWALL2 said:
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On theroute from the cut at the 3 yard line. Outside foot plants he cuts as a slant. Lb is in the path and he adjusts around him. And runs to the "post". (Wait that's a post)

He's wide open. QB throws it behind him.

I'm not a Randle fan but he had no time to make any adjustment after ball is thrown. None.

The announce Johnson talked about him coming back to the ball. I say once that ball left Eli's hand he had no time to adjust.

Throw was off target. And no need for it because there was nobody on the other side of Randle.

Lol..the LB was 2 yards in front of him on the cut. There was no player he had to adjust to, Your imagining things at this point
Why wouldn't he be there?  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 11:13 pm : link
It was a wide open space.

He cut at ONE yard. At the 3. He ran the want. Adjusted around the lb. what should he have done at that point? Stop?
RE: Why was he benched?  
montanagiant : 11/29/2015 11:14 pm : link
In comment 12651908 KWALL2 said:
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We don't know why. An overreaction maybe. What did the coaches say after reviewing the play? That's all that matters.

Maybe the coach didn't have he chance to see that replay which pretty clearly shows he was wide open and had no chance to adjust.

Do you honestly think an "overreaction" is more likely then a lazy run route? Come on that is absurd
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