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The INT in the end zone, down 17-0

BlueManFu : 11/29/2015 7:54 pm
I'm not suggesting that all of their woes are tied to the QB play, but that INT in the end zone down 17-0 in the 3rd just...can't. happen. period.

No offensive momentum whatsoever to that point. Still early enough that any points on that drive would have been a success. On third down, to carelessly stare down the receiver and throw into traffic is just inexcusable. You have 2 INTs already to that point, which the defense more or less overcame. Eli needs to make a better decision there and it's not debateable. That not a mistake that should be happening to someone in their 12th year. Inexusible, and the critical mistake ended up costing them the game. The carelessness will always be a major flaw for #10
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The lb  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 11:14 pm : link
Was in his path. Watch again and get back to me.

He either runs it short at the 1 or goes around him.
RE: Why wouldn't he be there?  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 11:15 pm : link
In comment 12651911 KWALL2 said:
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It was a wide open space.

He cut at ONE yard. At the 3. He ran the want. Adjusted around the lb. what should he have done at that point? Stop?


Why are you adjusting a route like that. If its a slant, there is no adjustments. If its an in-route, you dont need to adjust.

You are telling us RR had no time to adjust to the throw but made this huge adjustment midroute?

Come on now.
I saw what Colin and KWALL saw  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 11:15 pm : link
It doesn't mean Eli sucks buy it wasn't a good throw.
TC's comment on the play  
Colin@gbn : 11/29/2015 11:16 pm : link
Here is the quote from Coughlin on the play in his presser:

"it just looked like Reuben was open coming in across from right to left, the ball was a little bit behind him and the defensive back made a nice play."

RE: Why wouldn't he be there?  
montanagiant : 11/29/2015 11:16 pm : link
In comment 12651911 KWALL2 said:
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It was a wide open space.

He cut at ONE yard. At the 3. He ran the want. Adjusted around the lb. what should he have done at that point? Stop?
THERE IS NO LB IN HIS WAY TO ADJUST TO. Your making shit up now because you can't admit your wrong. He ran a shit route, deal with it and stop trying to fabricate a argument to fit some kind of silly ass agenda you have
The LB was 2 yards in front of hkm  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 11:17 pm : link
What does that mean?

What I saw ( and it's clear as day) is he bent the route around the LB and got wide open. The QB threw it behind him even though there was nothing to the left of the WR.

Overreaction? Absolutely. Check Colin's comments.
And if Eli throws to a wide open  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 11:18 pm : link
Harris we wouldn't be having this debate
RE: TC's comment on the play  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 11:18 pm : link
In comment 12651920 Colin@gbn said:
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Here is the quote from Coughlin on the play in his presser:

"it just looked like Reuben was open coming in across from right to left, the ball was a little bit behind him and the defensive back made a nice play."


Thats true. He was open. What we are saying is when RR came across the middle of the field, he drifted deep towards the back of end zone instead of running it more flat. If it is run more horizontal, the Db cant make a play, and it looks like a better throw. I am sure Coughlin didnt see or dissect the play before his presser.
I'm not making  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 11:20 pm : link
Anything up.

Randle does a jab step. His outside foot hits a 2nd time and he cuts on a slant. This was at the 3 yard line. He needs the route around he LB (maybe a S) and runs the slant around the guy.

Redskin defenders were 2 yards deep in end zone. Nothing behind them. Randle is wide open.

Eli throws it deeper or in front of him we have an easy TD.

The throw comes out flat and behind Randle.

He has no time to adjust to it.

Int.

This is exactly what happened.
And I saw exactly what  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 11:21 pm : link
Coughlin described
Needs  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 11:22 pm : link
Should be "bends"

He bent it around the other defender who was in his path.
RE: RE: TC's comment on the play  
montanagiant : 11/29/2015 11:22 pm : link
In comment 12651927 dep026 said:
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In comment 12651920 Colin@gbn said:


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Here is the quote from Coughlin on the play in his presser:

"it just looked like Reuben was open coming in across from right to left, the ball was a little bit behind him and the defensive back made a nice play."




Thats true. He was open. What we are saying is when RR came across the middle of the field, he drifted deep towards the back of end zone instead of running it more flat. If it is run more horizontal, the Db cant make a play, and it looks like a better throw. I am sure Coughlin didnt see or dissect the play before his presser.

Exactly, if the route was run like it should have been he blocks the DB from getting to the ball. By drifting away from the ball he allows an opening for the defender to cut in front of Randle
RE: I'm not making  
AP in Halfmoon : 11/29/2015 11:22 pm : link
In comment 12651928 KWALL2 said:
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Anything up.

Randle does a jab step. His outside foot hits a 2nd time and he cuts on a slant. This was at the 3 yard line. He needs the route around he LB (maybe a S) and runs the slant around the guy.

Redskin defenders were 2 yards deep in end zone. Nothing behind them. Randle is wide open.

Eli throws it deeper or in front of him we have an easy TD.

The throw comes out flat and behind Randle.

He has no time to adjust to it.

Int.

This is exactly what happened.


And if Randle flattens the route it's even further behind him
Alright  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 11:23 pm : link
no one is going to agree with each other. So let this die. He most likely wont be on the team next year or if he is it will be in a minmal role where he isnt our number 2.

"No adjustments on a slant"  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 11:24 pm : link
That's horseshit.

He should run right at the guy and let him rock him 3 yards off the LOS?

He adjusted and it worked. He was wide open.

You guys realize Coughlin likely saw the play once, only live,  
Giants in 07 : 11/29/2015 11:25 pm : link
when he said that..

How anyone can watch a replay and not see Randle drift towards the back of the endzone is beyond me. Of course the pass was behind him, he ran past the ball!
"He ran past the ball"  
KWALL2 : 11/29/2015 11:34 pm : link
Wtf are you talking about. Do you realize how long the ball was in the air?

Nobody ran past anything. Comments like this make Dep look sharp and that ain't easy.


RE: RE: I'm not making  
montanagiant : 11/29/2015 11:37 pm : link
In comment 12651933 AP in Halfmoon said:
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In comment 12651928 KWALL2 said:


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Anything up.

Randle does a jab step. His outside foot hits a 2nd time and he cuts on a slant. This was at the 3 yard line. He needs the route around he LB (maybe a S) and runs the slant around the guy.

Redskin defenders were 2 yards deep in end zone. Nothing behind them. Randle is wide open.

Eli throws it deeper or in front of him we have an easy TD.

The throw comes out flat and behind Randle.

He has no time to adjust to it.

Int.

This is exactly what happened.



And if Randle flattens the route it's even further behind him
but the defender can't get to it either
if he flattens it  
dep026 : 11/29/2015 11:39 pm : link
the ball gets to him quicker too, so it might not get behind him.

Who knows. Its done and over with. No need to fight anymore.
RE: An NFL WR..  
shabu : 11/29/2015 11:47 pm : link
In comment 12651637 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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who has a step on the DB and who made his cut inside is considered open, especially in the end zone.

How many slants are gimme TD's just because of body position?

Randle was open - and he faded away from the ball AFTER it was thrown.

That appears to be the point a lot of people are missing. When Eli threw the ball, Randle is open by at least a step.


Yep. Eli throws it and when he did RR already beat his man , if RR cuts toward the goal line rather than the back he can make the catch and the DB can't the position the DB was in is where randle should have been and kept him out... but he didn't.

Ppl don't understand that timing is a big part of this.

1. RR beats man
2. Eli sees RR
3. Eli throws to place.
4. RR drifts toward back leaving opening for DB to jump.

Key is the timing of the spot where the catch was made and who was there (DB) and who was supposed to be there RR.
Randle benched for a series or 2 tells you who's fault it is...  
GloryDayz : 11/30/2015 1:58 am : link
Hard to tell unless you know the play/player resposibilty on the play, but I think Moose's comment were confirmed by Randle's benching.

Easy to blame Eli, but sometime if the defense is in the "right" formation, the QB throws the ball to a spot, and its up to the receiver to make sure he gets there, or at least doesnt allow the defender to get there
you'd be better off trying to get an admission of fault  
chris r : 11/30/2015 2:22 am : link
about Eli from Abby than Dep.
Nicks ran a similar "lazy" route his last full year with us  
SHO'NUFF : 11/30/2015 5:29 am : link
I think vs Atlanta...same result: INT. Everybody agreed he ran a bad route and "drifted" and killed him for it. I recognized the same pattern instantly with Randle.
I may need to not post here much after this  
Randy in CT : 11/30/2015 6:13 am : link
but Eli made some bad throws. Did it happen on a day where he was under more pressure than all the other games combined? And was that on a day missing two (of the remaining starters) on the line? With Cruz done and RR adding nails to his coffin with his lackluster effort?

There are reasons for things happening.
4 pages of arguing over one goddamn play  
EJV79 : 11/30/2015 7:33 am : link
Unreal. Yes, it came at a bad time. Yes, randle AND eli could've executed better. The culprit in the game was the O-line, it was absolutely fucking pathetic and with 4 minutes to go and down by 6 the pathetic defense needed to make a stop on 3rd and 6 and the immortal jordan reed runs wide open across the middle for an easy first down completion and essentially ices the game. What a fucking joke.
RE: you'd be better off trying to get an admission of fault  
dep026 : 11/30/2015 8:14 am : link
In comment 12652128 chris r said:
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about Eli from Abby than Dep.


seriously, what's your point in life? I never saw a more pathetic, insecure, lowlife asshole in my life. you bring absolutely nothing to this board. you bring nothing to any discussion other than to be an asshole.

you shit on posters constantly who are obviously much smarter than you, and when they call you out.... you ran like a total bitch.

do you work? or do you rely on your mother to get through life?
I doubt you are married or have kids because there isn't a woman in this world that insecure to lower their standards that much to have physical contact with you.
do you have any social life, because I can see you getting the shit kicked out of you on a constant basis from people who think your act is fucking annoying.


you sit her lurking, waiting for people to post and then bring your worn out act that not one person on the board likes to read. at some point are you ever going to do a self evaluation on yourself and realize that you are a scumbag and a low life loser? maybe you should.

go out. make some friends. try to be friendly. sitting home, eating mommy's meatloaf, and mooching off of her is no way to live life. I am sure you get most excited in life is when the giants lose so you can purposely be an asshole. but here's a tip. I bet you jerk yourself while eating cheetos as players on giants fail so you can post here. tell your mom thst all of BBI feels sorry for her.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 8:18 am : link
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sitting home, eating mommy's meatloaf, and mooching off of her is no way to live life.


Speak for yourself.
RE: RE: I think you'll find  
Section331 : 11/30/2015 8:38 am : link
In comment 12651361 mdc1 said:
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no, that was on Eli. Who run's perfect routes with guys standing in front of you come on now.


No, the DB wasn't standing in front of Randle, he was on RR's hip. That is why you run a route that takes you back towards the QB. The QB has to release the ball as the WR enters his break, and has to count on the WR to run his route correctly. If Randle does that, it's likely a TD, at worst, incomplete.
RE: They were at the 4 yard line  
Section331 : 11/30/2015 8:41 am : link
In comment 12651789 KWALL2 said:
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It was 3 steps and a slant. It was not a "post" or a any kind of in route.

On his cut on the slant he had PLENTY of separation. Eli missed the throw. That should be the end of he story here.

The announcer was out of line ripping Randle for it. Which is probably why some of you here think Randle played it like a chump.

On that type of route he had very little time to make an adjustment.


Wow, you need to turn in your football card. There is no way in hell that was a slant. If it was, it was an even worse route than I thought. Your dislike of Eli has gone to ludicrous levels.
It can't happen  
giantsfan227B : 11/30/2015 8:54 am : link
Not a great throw. But Moose was dead on accurate that Eli is a better man than he is continuing to throw to Randle. Was it the best throw? No. But how about running a sharp route and fighting for the ball. I know OBJ is exceptional but he fights for the ball. That ball is in the air. He believes it is his and goes for it. Randle puts his hands out and hopes no one deflects it. The only reason Randle scored later was they didn't think Eli was going to him and pulled off of him. There was no great move or great catch. It was blown coverage.

I am at the point where if Randle can't practice, he is better watching from the sideline. It seems like his timing is off. Eli shouldn't have to throw a perfect pass to expect a TD. Randle let the DB undercut with no push back. How about interfering with the DB. Take the penalty and kick the FG. I am not an apologist for Eli but that was on Randle and you knew it was the case when he was benched on the subsequent series.
RE: RE: RE: I think you'll find  
montanagiant : 11/30/2015 9:15 am : link
In comment 12652242 Section331 said:
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In comment 12651361 mdc1 said:


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no, that was on Eli. Who run's perfect routes with guys standing in front of you come on now.



No, the DB wasn't standing in front of Randle, he was on RR's hip. That is why you run a route that takes you back towards the QB. The QB has to release the ball as the WR enters his break, and has to count on the WR to run his route correctly. If Randle does that, it's likely a TD, at worst, incomplete.

100% correct
Section  
KWALL2 : 11/30/2015 9:48 am : link
"No way it's a slant.....but if it was...."

Good stuff.

Even funnier is the idea that Wrs don't run routes like that. All routes from that spot should be flat? Sure they are. And your asking for football cards from people?

The interesting thing is if he ran it flat the ball is even further behind him.

It was a bad throw to an open WR. End of story.

I really wish people..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/30/2015 9:51 am : link
would look at the replay.

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It was a bad throw to an open WR. End of story.


It wasn't a great throw and it was a shitty route. But look at the replay. Even if el;i throws teh ball ahead of Randle, it is not a TD. Randle made it nearly impossible to fit the ball in because of fading to the back of the end zone.

Also, looking at the replay, it is apparent that there were better options for Eli - as pointed out above by AP and a few others.
When  
KWALL2 : 11/30/2015 9:52 am : link
Running a slant the DB is often on your hip. Is he supposed to run back to the QB?

That is not "100% correct." That is BS.

He's running free. No defender to the back of the end zone. Several at 2/3 yards deep. He shouldn't run to the open area because the DB is trailing? Ridiculous take and 100% incorrect.
Fmic  
KWALL2 : 11/30/2015 9:54 am : link
I watched the replay 10+ times.
The throw travelled about 10 yards on a line. He had no time to adjust to a poorly thrown ball.

With nobody to Randles left Eli had a lot of space to make an easy throw. He stepped up in the pocket and had a great view. It was a bad throw. Lead the WR and it's an easy TD.
How is it not a TD  
KWALL2 : 11/30/2015 9:56 am : link
There was nobody there. All the help was at the end zone and 1-2 yards deep. Nobody was near Randle. A lot of open space righ in front of Eli. Lead the WR and it's an easy TD.
You have two players..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/30/2015 9:59 am : link
that are coming in from the left that would have probably made a play if he leads him.

In rewatching the play, it was actually not a good decision to target Randle there because it needed to be a perfect throw and Randle needed to not fade back - by doing so he allowed the trailing CB to pick off the pass and the DB from the left to come into the mix.

Frankly, it is a shitty route by Randle and a poor decision by Eli to throw it to him instead of Harris, especially since the pocket was still good.
The moment that pick happened, I just knew this was  
Jimmy Googs : 11/30/2015 10:00 am : link
going to be the longest debate thread of the day.

Fatman's comment seems true to me as well.

A little shame on Eli making that particular throw his choice, but nonetheless Randle's non-chalant behavior (as we have said numerous times before) makes this play a disaster.

In my mind, the biggest play of the game since we had a little mo' stopping them on 4th down and charging down the field and getting even 3 points would have been a turn of the tide with plenty of time left.

If the ball  
crick n NC : 11/30/2015 10:03 am : link
Was behind candle why did he drift to the back of the EZ?
Candle lol  
crick n NC : 11/30/2015 10:04 am : link
Obviously randle
Fmic  
KWALL2 : 11/30/2015 10:05 am : link
I disagree. Who are these guys coming in from the left?

They are several yards away and Randle is behind them. If he floats ia ball to back of end zone they have no shot.

If he simply throws the ball in front of Randle they aren't writhin several yards.

It was a 10 yard throw and QB had excellent view. It should have been an easy throw and TD.

RE: RE: you'd be better off trying to get an admission of fault  
Tesla : 11/30/2015 10:06 am : link
In comment 12652215 dep026 said:
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In comment 12652128 chris r said:


Quote:


about Eli from Abby than Dep.



seriously, what's your point in life? I never saw a more pathetic, insecure, lowlife asshole in my life. you bring absolutely nothing to this board. you bring nothing to any discussion other than to be an asshole.

you shit on posters constantly who are obviously much smarter than you, and when they call you out.... you ran like a total bitch.

do you work? or do you rely on your mother to get through life?
I doubt you are married or have kids because there isn't a woman in this world that insecure to lower their standards that much to have physical contact with you.
do you have any social life, because I can see you getting the shit kicked out of you on a constant basis from people who think your act is fucking annoying.


you sit her lurking, waiting for people to post and then bring your worn out act that not one person on the board likes to read. at some point are you ever going to do a self evaluation on yourself and realize that you are a scumbag and a low life loser? maybe you should.

go out. make some friends. try to be friendly. sitting home, eating mommy's meatloaf, and mooching off of her is no way to live life. I am sure you get most excited in life is when the giants lose so you can purposely be an asshole. but here's a tip. I bet you jerk yourself while eating cheetos as players on giants fail so you can post here. tell your mom thst all of BBI feels sorry for her.


Sorry, but this is fucking hilarious coming from dep. Is there anyone who spends more time posting here than you do? And you are going to tell another poster they need to get a life? LOL at the irony.
great  
dep026 : 11/30/2015 10:08 am : link
another shitstain poster who contributes nothing to this site.

And eric wonders why donations are down.
RE: great  
Tesla : 11/30/2015 10:13 am : link
In comment 12652525 dep026 said:
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another shitstain poster who contributes nothing to this site.

And eric wonders why donations are down.


LOL, I love that it took you all of 90 seconds to respond to my post saying you shouldn't be calling out anyone else for being a loser when you spend your whole life here obsessing about Eli and Handle. Even more irony!
....  
dep026 : 11/30/2015 10:21 am : link
I hope you and your family had a great holiday and upcoming happiness with xmas and new years coming up, Tesla.
From TC presser  
dep026 : 11/30/2015 2:20 pm : link
RR needed to run a cleaner route. Ball behind him a bit. Take it as you will.
with a bit more emphasis on the throw then the route  
hitdog42 : 11/30/2015 2:32 pm : link
Tom Coughlin: "I think if the ball was placed properly" Rueben Randle would've caught the third-quarter touchdown.

lol  
dep026 : 11/30/2015 2:33 pm : link
...
for all of your rude kicking and screaming  
hitdog42 : 11/30/2015 2:35 pm : link
TC sounds a bit more like kwall then like yourself. and its odd I didn't see any reference of a post route....
lol  
dep026 : 11/30/2015 2:36 pm : link
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