I'm not suggesting that all of their woes are tied to the QB play, but that INT in the end zone down 17-0 in the 3rd just...can't. happen. period.
No offensive momentum whatsoever to that point. Still early enough that any points on that drive would have been a success. On third down, to carelessly stare down the receiver and throw into traffic is just inexcusable. You have 2 INTs already to that point, which the defense more or less overcame. Eli needs to make a better decision there and it's not debateable. That not a mistake that should be happening to someone in their 12th year. Inexusible, and the critical mistake ended up costing them the game. The carelessness will always be a major flaw for #10
He either runs it short at the 1 or goes around him.
He cut at ONE yard. At the 3. He ran the want. Adjusted around the lb. what should he have done at that point? Stop?
Why are you adjusting a route like that. If its a slant, there is no adjustments. If its an in-route, you dont need to adjust.
You are telling us RR had no time to adjust to the throw but made this huge adjustment midroute?
Come on now.
"it just looked like Reuben was open coming in across from right to left, the ball was a little bit behind him and the defensive back made a nice play."
He cut at ONE yard. At the 3. He ran the want. Adjusted around the lb. what should he have done at that point? Stop?
What I saw ( and it's clear as day) is he bent the route around the LB and got wide open. The QB threw it behind him even though there was nothing to the left of the WR.
Overreaction? Absolutely. Check Colin's comments.
"it just looked like Reuben was open coming in across from right to left, the ball was a little bit behind him and the defensive back made a nice play."
Thats true. He was open. What we are saying is when RR came across the middle of the field, he drifted deep towards the back of end zone instead of running it more flat. If it is run more horizontal, the Db cant make a play, and it looks like a better throw. I am sure Coughlin didnt see or dissect the play before his presser.
Randle does a jab step. His outside foot hits a 2nd time and he cuts on a slant. This was at the 3 yard line. He needs the route around he LB (maybe a S) and runs the slant around the guy.
Redskin defenders were 2 yards deep in end zone. Nothing behind them. Randle is wide open.
Eli throws it deeper or in front of him we have an easy TD.
The throw comes out flat and behind Randle.
He has no time to adjust to it.
Int.
This is exactly what happened.
He bent it around the other defender who was in his path.
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Here is the quote from Coughlin on the play in his presser:
"it just looked like Reuben was open coming in across from right to left, the ball was a little bit behind him and the defensive back made a nice play."
Thats true. He was open. What we are saying is when RR came across the middle of the field, he drifted deep towards the back of end zone instead of running it more flat. If it is run more horizontal, the Db cant make a play, and it looks like a better throw. I am sure Coughlin didnt see or dissect the play before his presser.
Exactly, if the route was run like it should have been he blocks the DB from getting to the ball. By drifting away from the ball he allows an opening for the defender to cut in front of Randle
Randle does a jab step. His outside foot hits a 2nd time and he cuts on a slant. This was at the 3 yard line. He needs the route around he LB (maybe a S) and runs the slant around the guy.
Redskin defenders were 2 yards deep in end zone. Nothing behind them. Randle is wide open.
Eli throws it deeper or in front of him we have an easy TD.
The throw comes out flat and behind Randle.
He has no time to adjust to it.
Int.
This is exactly what happened.
And if Randle flattens the route it's even further behind him
He should run right at the guy and let him rock him 3 yards off the LOS?
He adjusted and it worked. He was wide open.
How anyone can watch a replay and not see Randle drift towards the back of the endzone is beyond me. Of course the pass was behind him, he ran past the ball!
Nobody ran past anything. Comments like this make Dep look sharp and that ain't easy.
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Randle does a jab step. His outside foot hits a 2nd time and he cuts on a slant. This was at the 3 yard line. He needs the route around he LB (maybe a S) and runs the slant around the guy.
Redskin defenders were 2 yards deep in end zone. Nothing behind them. Randle is wide open.
Eli throws it deeper or in front of him we have an easy TD.
The throw comes out flat and behind Randle.
He has no time to adjust to it.
Int.
This is exactly what happened.
And if Randle flattens the route it's even further behind him
Who knows. Its done and over with. No need to fight anymore.
How many slants are gimme TD's just because of body position?
Randle was open - and he faded away from the ball AFTER it was thrown.
That appears to be the point a lot of people are missing. When Eli threw the ball, Randle is open by at least a step.
Yep. Eli throws it and when he did RR already beat his man , if RR cuts toward the goal line rather than the back he can make the catch and the DB can't the position the DB was in is where randle should have been and kept him out... but he didn't.
Ppl don't understand that timing is a big part of this.
1. RR beats man
2. Eli sees RR
3. Eli throws to place.
4. RR drifts toward back leaving opening for DB to jump.
Key is the timing of the spot where the catch was made and who was there (DB) and who was supposed to be there RR.
Easy to blame Eli, but sometime if the defense is in the "right" formation, the QB throws the ball to a spot, and its up to the receiver to make sure he gets there, or at least doesnt allow the defender to get there
There are reasons for things happening.
seriously, what's your point in life? I never saw a more pathetic, insecure, lowlife asshole in my life. you bring absolutely nothing to this board. you bring nothing to any discussion other than to be an asshole.
you shit on posters constantly who are obviously much smarter than you, and when they call you out.... you ran like a total bitch.
do you work? or do you rely on your mother to get through life?
I doubt you are married or have kids because there isn't a woman in this world that insecure to lower their standards that much to have physical contact with you.
do you have any social life, because I can see you getting the shit kicked out of you on a constant basis from people who think your act is fucking annoying.
you sit her lurking, waiting for people to post and then bring your worn out act that not one person on the board likes to read. at some point are you ever going to do a self evaluation on yourself and realize that you are a scumbag and a low life loser? maybe you should.
go out. make some friends. try to be friendly. sitting home, eating mommy's meatloaf, and mooching off of her is no way to live life. I am sure you get most excited in life is when the giants lose so you can purposely be an asshole. but here's a tip. I bet you jerk yourself while eating cheetos as players on giants fail so you can post here. tell your mom thst all of BBI feels sorry for her.
Speak for yourself.
no, that was on Eli. Who run's perfect routes with guys standing in front of you come on now.
No, the DB wasn't standing in front of Randle, he was on RR's hip. That is why you run a route that takes you back towards the QB. The QB has to release the ball as the WR enters his break, and has to count on the WR to run his route correctly. If Randle does that, it's likely a TD, at worst, incomplete.
On his cut on the slant he had PLENTY of separation. Eli missed the throw. That should be the end of he story here.
The announcer was out of line ripping Randle for it. Which is probably why some of you here think Randle played it like a chump.
On that type of route he had very little time to make an adjustment.
Wow, you need to turn in your football card. There is no way in hell that was a slant. If it was, it was an even worse route than I thought. Your dislike of Eli has gone to ludicrous levels.
I am at the point where if Randle can't practice, he is better watching from the sideline. It seems like his timing is off. Eli shouldn't have to throw a perfect pass to expect a TD. Randle let the DB undercut with no push back. How about interfering with the DB. Take the penalty and kick the FG. I am not an apologist for Eli but that was on Randle and you knew it was the case when he was benched on the subsequent series.
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no, that was on Eli. Who run's perfect routes with guys standing in front of you come on now.
No, the DB wasn't standing in front of Randle, he was on RR's hip. That is why you run a route that takes you back towards the QB. The QB has to release the ball as the WR enters his break, and has to count on the WR to run his route correctly. If Randle does that, it's likely a TD, at worst, incomplete.
100% correct
Good stuff.
Even funnier is the idea that Wrs don't run routes like that. All routes from that spot should be flat? Sure they are. And your asking for football cards from people?
The interesting thing is if he ran it flat the ball is even further behind him.
It was a bad throw to an open WR. End of story.
It wasn't a great throw and it was a shitty route. But look at the replay. Even if el;i throws teh ball ahead of Randle, it is not a TD. Randle made it nearly impossible to fit the ball in because of fading to the back of the end zone.
Also, looking at the replay, it is apparent that there were better options for Eli - as pointed out above by AP and a few others.
That is not "100% correct." That is BS.
He's running free. No defender to the back of the end zone. Several at 2/3 yards deep. He shouldn't run to the open area because the DB is trailing? Ridiculous take and 100% incorrect.
The throw travelled about 10 yards on a line. He had no time to adjust to a poorly thrown ball.
With nobody to Randles left Eli had a lot of space to make an easy throw. He stepped up in the pocket and had a great view. It was a bad throw. Lead the WR and it's an easy TD.
In rewatching the play, it was actually not a good decision to target Randle there because it needed to be a perfect throw and Randle needed to not fade back - by doing so he allowed the trailing CB to pick off the pass and the DB from the left to come into the mix.
Frankly, it is a shitty route by Randle and a poor decision by Eli to throw it to him instead of Harris, especially since the pocket was still good.
Fatman's comment seems true to me as well.
A little shame on Eli making that particular throw his choice, but nonetheless Randle's non-chalant behavior (as we have said numerous times before) makes this play a disaster.
In my mind, the biggest play of the game since we had a little mo' stopping them on 4th down and charging down the field and getting even 3 points would have been a turn of the tide with plenty of time left.
They are several yards away and Randle is behind them. If he floats ia ball to back of end zone they have no shot.
If he simply throws the ball in front of Randle they aren't writhin several yards.
It was a 10 yard throw and QB had excellent view. It should have been an easy throw and TD.
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about Eli from Abby than Dep.
seriously, what's your point in life? I never saw a more pathetic, insecure, lowlife asshole in my life. you bring absolutely nothing to this board. you bring nothing to any discussion other than to be an asshole.
you shit on posters constantly who are obviously much smarter than you, and when they call you out.... you ran like a total bitch.
do you work? or do you rely on your mother to get through life?
I doubt you are married or have kids because there isn't a woman in this world that insecure to lower their standards that much to have physical contact with you.
do you have any social life, because I can see you getting the shit kicked out of you on a constant basis from people who think your act is fucking annoying.
you sit her lurking, waiting for people to post and then bring your worn out act that not one person on the board likes to read. at some point are you ever going to do a self evaluation on yourself and realize that you are a scumbag and a low life loser? maybe you should.
go out. make some friends. try to be friendly. sitting home, eating mommy's meatloaf, and mooching off of her is no way to live life. I am sure you get most excited in life is when the giants lose so you can purposely be an asshole. but here's a tip. I bet you jerk yourself while eating cheetos as players on giants fail so you can post here. tell your mom thst all of BBI feels sorry for her.
Sorry, but this is fucking hilarious coming from dep. Is there anyone who spends more time posting here than you do? And you are going to tell another poster they need to get a life? LOL at the irony.
And eric wonders why donations are down.
And eric wonders why donations are down.
LOL, I love that it took you all of 90 seconds to respond to my post saying you shouldn't be calling out anyone else for being a loser when you spend your whole life here obsessing about Eli and Handle. Even more irony!