I'm not suggesting that all of their woes are tied to the QB play, but that INT in the end zone down 17-0 in the 3rd just...can't. happen. period.
No offensive momentum whatsoever to that point. Still early enough that any points on that drive would have been a success. On third down, to carelessly stare down the receiver and throw into traffic is just inexcusable. You have 2 INTs already to that point, which the defense more or less overcame. Eli needs to make a better decision there and it's not debateable. That not a mistake that should be happening to someone in their 12th year. Inexusible, and the critical mistake ended up costing them the game. The carelessness will always be a major flaw for #10
I like how you moved the "little bit" part from his comment about the route to the throw.
After saying it was the throw yesterday. Here is the comment from today:
"Route could've been run a little bit cleaner but throw was behind."
After saying it was the throw yesterday. Here is the comment from today:
"Route could've been run a little bit cleaner but throw was behind."
which is what I just said. RR didnt run a clean route and the ball was behind him. Take it as you will.
You said it was "behind him a bit"
You distorted the quote to try and meet your agenda.
Plenty of space to make the throw.
If Eli had it again he throws it to the yellow circle towards the back of the end zone for an easy TD
You said it was "behind him a bit"
You distorted the quote to try and meet your agenda.
sorry. when I use the word "bit", I'll be more accurate.
the fact is it was a bad route and a bad throw. time to move on.
he should have been working back in toward the goal line instead of drifting across.
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The bottom line is its not black and white
lol. Randle is a whipping boy? No, Randle sucks ass. And the fact that he continues to play hurts our chances to win games.
He makes more mistakes than plays. drop, faillure to secure a TD pass cause he didnt come back to the ball, and ran a lazy route that led to an INT.
He was facing the other teams 4/5th string corner. He had 1 catch. Whipping boy my ass.
Now I will give Eli the benefit of the doubt because there was a Redskin player on the goal line between Randle and Eli and either Eli didn't see Randle, which seems unlikely since Eli was looking at him the whole time, or he was waiting for Randle to clear that defender. At any rate, the pass was late and behind and the defender was able to undercut.
Not the end of the world, but people blaming Randle for running the wrong route and dumping on the usual scapegoat.
and if he is a whipping boy, it's because of his play. beat writers today have either called him out for lack of production or he should have less reps.
Plenty of space to make the throw.
If Eli had it again he throws it to the yellow circle towards the back of the end zone for an easy TD
There is absolutely no need to drift to the back when he had his man beat. None.
Eli probably should have gone to Harris there, but you can have two people making errors on the same play.
and if he is a whipping boy, it's because of his play. beat writers today have either called him out for lack of production or he should have less reps.
There is absolutely no need to drift to the back when he had his man beat. None.
Eli probably should have gone to Harris there, but you can have two people making errors on the same play.
Now if you are saying he should have cut the route off and squared it in the end zone, none of us know what his instructions are in that situation.
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said the route should have been cleaner.
and if he is a whipping boy, it's because of his play. beat writers today have either called him out for lack of production or he should have less reps.
I don't give a shit what beat riders say. They have their agendas and whipping boys too; that's where most posters here get their ideas and memes.
He's been benched. he's been called out by coaches. he's been called out by ex-players, analysts, and beat writers. he's been unproductive and has had a lot of games where he was a net negative.
but yeah... he's a whipping boy. poor rueben.
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Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan 2m2 minutes ago
TC on the red-zone INT: "Route could've been run a little bit cleaner but throw was behind." #giants
Nice work fu.
Nice work fu.
hope yoh and your family had had a wonderful holiday. I hope your wine was the hit of every dinner involved.
The WR was wide open. The beef is he could have brought the defender up the field a little more? Is that it now? The defender said he knew the route and Randle was not going to go outside. He was going to undercut the route.
A different route does not mean he would have been open more.
Work back to the goal line? Why would he move from a wide open space to an area with defenders. There were 2 of them short in the end zone.
The WR did his job and gave the QB an easy play. He put his foot in the ground and got separation. The QB didn't make the play.
One of the biggest beefs we had was people saying he didn't adjust or come back to the ball. You don't see any coaches talking about that do you?
He was running free in the end zone. Ball was off. There was no time to adjust. It's on the QB.
I also didn't here anybody talking about benching the WR after the play. Was that more BS from some on BBI?
The WR was wide open. The beef is he could have brought the defender up the field a little more? Is that it now? The defender said he knew the route and Randle was not going to go outside. He was going to undercut the route.
A different route does not mean he would have been open more.
Work back to the goal line? Why would he move from a wide open space to an area with defenders. There were 2 of them short in the end zone.
The WR did his job and gave the QB an easy play. He put his foot in the ground and got separation. The QB didn't make the play.
One of the biggest beefs we had was people saying he didn't adjust or come back to the ball. You don't see any coaches talking about that do you?
He was running free in the end zone. Ball was off. There was no time to adjust. It's on the QB.
I also didn't here anybody talking about benching the WR after the play. Was that more BS from some on BBI?
That BS came right from Moose. Not only that, a series or two later Eli threw to RR and Moose said that Eli was a better man than him by continuing to have faith in RR.
Good stuff.
Even funnier is the idea that Wrs don't run routes like that. All routes from that spot should be flat? Sure they are. And your asking for football cards from people?
The interesting thing is if he ran it flat the ball is even further behind him.
It was a bad throw to an open WR. End of story.
You don't run it flat, you run it back towards the QB.
2015: 28th
2014: 28th
2013: 31st
2012: 19th
2011: 23rd
2010: 28th
The careless QB play in scoring position is not a new phenomenon. Even in some of his best seasons he is a below average performer in the red zone.
Different OL combos, Rushers, Receivers, Offensive Coordinators with offensive systems. Same QB. I love the guy but he's not a consistent producer in the red zone and its cost the team several games. These stats are empirical evidence of that fact.
2015: 28th
2014: 28th
2013: 31st
2012: 19th
2011: 23rd
2010: 28th
The careless QB play in scoring position is not a new phenomenon. Even in some of his best seasons he is a below average performer in the red zone.
Different OL combos, Rushers, Receivers, Offensive Coordinators with offensive systems. Same QB. I love the guy but he's not a consistent producer in the red zone and its cost the team several games. These stats are empirical evidence of that fact.
BOOM! -
crickets
Boom!!!!
Instead, efficient passing in the red zone is heavily influenced by certain factors, notably:
- a strong running game that prevents long downs and more importantly, sets up play action passes for easy touchdowns
- A good tight end. Tight ends are the biggest receiving bodies on the field and don't not need to beat defenders deep. Instead, they can use their big target and their body to box out defenders in the end zone. They are a great safety valve and a best friend for boosting passer rating.
- running backs who catch out of the backfield. Whether to beat a blitz or just great coverage, great receiving running backs are another safety valve for quarterbacks. Throws to them are the easiest to catch, and the nature of their skillset allow them to be elusive in smaller spaces and run in for touchdowns.
Since 2010, there was only one season when the Giants had ANY of those three factors and it was 2012 when they had Martellus Bennett. They still lacked a stout o-line, run-game, or dual-threat running back, but at least they had a very good tight end. Unsurprisingly, that was the highest rank of their sample.
simple. for as much as of an agenda I have of defending eli.... you have posters who have a bigger hard on for ripping him. and posters who contribute nothing to this board but to further an agenda.