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jtgiants : 11/29/2015 8:56 pm
Today was as frustrating as it gets but we still have a division and relevant football to look forward too despite all our flaws.

The first thing I want to address is the false narrative of tiebreaker that was discussed on broadcast today. The skins have it now as they are 2 and 1 in Division while we are 2 and 3 in division. Skins have tiebreaker now. Not necessarily true going forward.

If skins and giants both finish 3 and 3 in division giants win tiebreaker. Now gits true the Cowboys have no romo and the Eagles are a mess but so are the skins on the road where they haven't won this season. Also it's difficult to see the skins beating the boys twice in five weeks. Below is a scenario where giants win division at 8 and 8.

Skins schedule puts them 8 and 8

Boys win
@Bears win
Bills win
@eagles loss
@Boys loss

Giants schedule puts them 8 and 8
Jets win
@Dolphins win
Panthers loss
@vikings loss
Eagles win

Giants win division. I actually think we could do better and they could do worse well see. I just really wanted to illustrate how we could still very well win a tiebreaker w skins. Comment away


I thought today's  
Gman11 : 11/29/2015 8:58 pm : link
game was supposed to be a win. Hmmmm.
I have spent most of my Giants "career" allowing things to play  
Big Blue '56 : 11/29/2015 9:00 pm : link
out..My Dad taught me that, whether it ends up being a positive or not..

The key moving forward is obvious. How successful we are will depend on who is coming back on the OL..
jmo, with ol injuries, jets is a loss  
micky : 11/29/2015 9:00 pm : link
Vs that dl. 2-3 to close season. Too many issues
I love these.  
The Dude : 11/29/2015 9:10 pm : link
It's hard enough to pick one game yet posters on here play out scenarios where they pick 10.
I don't know how any of this will work out  
Stu11 : 11/29/2015 9:16 pm : link
but no way in hell do I give thema a "win" @ the Bears. The Bears have played spirited football for a month now and just ruined the Packer's thanksgiving. In fact I don't give Washington a sure win in any stadium but their own. They have been horrific on the road all year.
RE: I love these.  
Big Blue '56 : 11/29/2015 9:21 pm : link
In comment 12651525 The Dude said:
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It's hard enough to pick one game yet posters on here play out scenarios where they pick 10.


It was what we need more of around here..Most of what we discuss is speculative or predictive..It's laid out nicely for discussion..

Would you prefer to read the same idiotic Reese Sucks or TC must go threads?
RE: RE: I love these.  
oldutican : 11/29/2015 9:24 pm : link
In comment 12651562 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 12651525 The Dude said:


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It's hard enough to pick one game yet posters on here play out scenarios where they pick 10.



It was what we need more of around here..Most of what we discuss is speculative or predictive..It's laid out nicely for discussion..

Would you prefer to read the same idiotic Reese Sucks or TC must go threads?


You really think that anyone who believes either or both should be replaced is an idiot? It's that clear cut to you?
The Giants  
JoshB : 11/29/2015 9:24 pm : link
Current OL against the Jets DL? Things could get ugly real quick
OP looks inaccurate to me  
ray in arlington : 11/29/2015 9:25 pm : link
if giants and skins finish with 3-3 record in division, there are scenarios where skins win tiebreak and a scenario where it goes to strength of victory.
thanks ray  
jtgiants : 11/29/2015 9:32 pm : link
My point is that it's not a given we lose tiebreaker to skins as was portrayed on TV today
RE: RE: RE: I love these.  
Big Blue '56 : 11/29/2015 9:32 pm : link
In comment 12651570 oldutican said:
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In comment 12651562 Big Blue '56 said:


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In comment 12651525 The Dude said:


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It's hard enough to pick one game yet posters on here play out scenarios where they pick 10.



It was what we need more of around here..Most of what we discuss is speculative or predictive..It's laid out nicely for discussion..

Would you prefer to read the same idiotic Reese Sucks or TC must go threads?



You really think that anyone who believes either or both should be replaced is an idiot? It's that clear cut to you?


You miss the point....They can say whatever they want, but give fucking reasons why they should go or why a player sucks..Making the same repeated statements over and over with little to know rationale is lazy and stupid..And please don't use the oft repeated cop out of "isn't it obvious?" People who make statements with reasons are mothing more than board clutter
fyi....  
jtgiants : 11/29/2015 9:33 pm : link
I put this scenario in yahoo and it had us winning the division
without reasons, are nothing more than board clutter  
Big Blue '56 : 11/29/2015 9:33 pm : link
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bb56  
jtgiants : 11/29/2015 9:35 pm : link
How are you? He misses the point I wasn't predicting all ten games per se. Just merely pointing out we could win tiebreaker vs skins
ray  
jtgiants : 11/29/2015 9:38 pm : link
If you feel yahoo's inaccurate do u want me to send u link to doublecheck?
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2015 9:42 pm : link
Giants and Skins are both 3-5 against common opponents. Your scenario places us at 6-6 and the Skins at 5-7.

Tie breakers are:

1. Head to head (a tie here)
2. Division record (tie under this scenario)
3. Common opponents record (applicable here, gives the Giants the edge)
4. Conference record

So Yahoo looks correct to me.
Bears and Bills are both a game back of a playoff spot  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2015 9:48 pm : link
Giving them something to play for. I'm hoping the Cowboys can get up for the Skins. I think 8-8 will get us in. Really need Richburg healthy.
RE: ray  
ray in arlington : 11/29/2015 9:48 pm : link
In comment 12651613 jtgiants said:
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If you feel yahoo's inaccurate do u want me to send u link to doublecheck?


The specific scenario you give goes to NYG. So Yahoo is right about that. What the OP has is a general statement that if both teams finish 3-3 in division then tiebreak will go to NYG. I'm just pointing out that there are scenarios where that is not the case.






thx brett  
jtgiants : 11/29/2015 9:49 pm : link
I appreciate the confirmation
ray  
jtgiants : 11/29/2015 9:51 pm : link
Thx for your clarification
After this game,  
Doomster : 11/29/2015 10:23 pm : link
how does anyone predict what the Giants will and won't do?
BBIers know I am a fan of both NY teams  
Bob in Newburgh : 11/30/2015 10:58 am : link
At this point in time the Jets can put a much better squad on the field, and statistical probability favors a Jets win.

However, if the Giants literally sell-out to stop the run and force Fitzpatrick to beat them over the top, Giants can win, perhaps even handily.

Use the non-NFL-starter arm which Fitzpatrick possesses against the Jets.

That means a lot of 8 in the box, no soft coverage short, and keep pushing the pocket so that RF cannot look like a javelin thrower making long passes.

The wildcard in this is the progress of the 2 physically very talented but raw Jet WRs - Smith and Eunwa. If DRC and Prince are healthy, they match up pretty well with Marshall and Decker, but then the Giants start to run out of NFL CBs who belong on the field.
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