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BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 7:45 am
Fuck off Jints.

Fancy stats on how good Lundqvist has been:



#lgr
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While we were not playing great when we were winning  
Essex : 11/30/2015 7:56 am : link
I feel like this team deserves the benefit of the doubt during this losing streak. The losing streak is concerning, but I have the utmost confidence in the players and coaches. A resilient bunch. LGR.
I will go ahead and apologize in advance  
GiantFilthy : 11/30/2015 8:28 am : link
about the skullfuckery the Canes are about to hand you chumps.

Don't watch.
RE: I will go ahead and apologize in advance  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 8:33 am : link
In comment 12652226 GiantFilthy said:
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about the skullfuckery the Canes are about to hand you chumps.

Don't watch.


thx

Apology accepted.
Well  
NYerInMA : 11/30/2015 8:45 am : link
the Flyers suck and hadn't won at MSG since Feb. 2011, so I fully expect the Canes to come out flying since they've lost 17 of their last 18 to the Rangers.
RE: I will go ahead and apologize in advance  
Jints in Carolina : 11/30/2015 8:49 am : link
In comment 12652226 GiantFilthy said:
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about the skullfuckery the Canes are about to hand you chumps.

Don't watch.


Pass the chronic!
Yeah, Just what my already depressed  
Run with 81 : 11/30/2015 9:06 am : link
Sports mind, body & soul needs is a loss tonight. Unfortunately, I feel this will be the cherry on top of what has been a solid week of (my) NY teams losing. Rangers & Giants both shitting the bed since last Wed (+ NYR losing to Tampa the week B4) I'm desperate to see them get back on the winning track, but just don't feel it, that it starts tonight! Hopefully I'm wrong... PLEASE LORD lemme be wrong!!

LGR.. Fuck this streak!!!
RE: Yeah, Just what my already depressed  
MetsAreBack : 11/30/2015 9:09 am : link
In comment 12652323 Run with 81 said:
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Sports mind, body & soul needs is a loss tonight. Unfortunately, I feel this will be the cherry on top of what has been a solid week of (my) NY teams losing. Rangers & Giants both shitting the bed since last Wed (+ NYR losing to Tampa the week B4) I'm desperate to see them get back on the winning track, but just don't feel it, that it starts tonight! Hopefully I'm wrong... PLEASE LORD lemme be wrong!!

LGR.. Fuck this streak!!!



I'll up you Notre Dame losing on a last second field goal because Brian Kelly went to the NYG school of inept clock management skill... and my fantasy team dropping both this sunday. Oh and we're also less than a month removed from the Mets losing in 5.

sports suck
This is what some of us were talking about at the risk of  
Victor in CT : 11/30/2015 9:27 am : link
cyber beheadings. Yes, it's great to pile up wins early, it pays off later. But it's delusional to think they were playing great. Lundqvist stole a good number of those game. There have been too many games with long stretches of play in the Rangers zone, not enough continued offense by the Rangers. They are still in good position if they can clean up there act this month.
The problem is Stepan is one of those key players  
MetsAreBack : 11/30/2015 9:31 am : link
with Nash and maybe Brassard (since the gaps between these players and their replacements is so enormous) -- that's difficult to overcome ... and we're also in an absolutely ridiculous stretch of 7 games in 11 days (and 6 games in 9 days) on top of it.

It's time to start holding Kreider, Brassard and others accountable. Yeah our defense has struggled but these guys have to get it going. Enough already.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 9:54 am : link
I recall our record being really shitty without Stepan but couldn't find it.

Kreider's been awful - for a guy with his size and strength to be losing board battles as consistently as he does is pathetic. He's #1 on my shit-list at forward.
New lines/pairs  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 11:08 am : link
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Andrew Gross
‏@AGrossRecord
D-pairs: McDonagh-Klein Staal-Boyle Yandle-Girardi/McIlrath




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New lines: Nash- Brass-Zucc Kreider-Lindberg-Fast Miller-Hayes-Stalberg Moore-Stoll-Etem
Not sure why Etem is on the 4th line  
NYerInMA : 11/30/2015 11:11 am : link
That's not really his game.
RE: New lines/pairs  
Victor in CT : 11/30/2015 11:13 am : link
In comment 12652785 BrettNYG10 said:
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Andrew Gross
‏@AGrossRecord
D-pairs: McDonagh-Klein Staal-Boyle Yandle-Girardi/McIlrath







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New lines: Nash- Brass-Zucc Kreider-Lindberg-Fast Miller-Hayes-Stalberg Moore-Stoll-Etem



It would be a shame if that's the only ride he gets down Broadway, but many greats have played valiantly for the Rangers and won dick. Andy Bathgate, Rod Gilbert, Chuck Raynor, Ron Greschner to name a few.
RE: ....  
Greg from LI : 11/30/2015 11:14 am : link
In comment 12652481 BrettNYG10 said:
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Kreider's been awful - for a guy with his size and strength to be losing board battles as consistently as he does is pathetic. He's #1 on my shit-list at forward.


Yup. Far too often, he's just invisible out there. Loses battles for the puck, hangs out on the perimeter, does nothing but try to cherry-pick breakaways. I was so hopeful that he would bust out this season, but he's just been a bust.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 11:14 am : link
Heard a rumor that Girardi has a hand injury.

I like Etem's a game lot. Was winning puck battles, etc. I'm not in love with Stoll and much prefer Moore at C.
Stoll seems to be doing a good job at PKs  
MetsAreBack : 11/30/2015 11:19 am : link
and we know he's excellent at draws, but he reminds me of #15 on offense at this point. Father time (and blow) seems to have taken that part of his game away so he's a very replaceable player at this point.
Sounds like McIlrath is the healthy scratch tonight  
NYerInMA : 11/30/2015 11:22 am : link
Which confuses me, but I don't get paid to make the calls.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 11:23 am : link
Kreider doesn't really flash high hockey IQ and doesn't have good hands. I suspect he dominated HS and college hockey (I only saw him like three times at BC, so can't say anything definitive) on sheer physical ability and he never had to really learn the nuances of the game the way a Zucc did. I'd almost equate it to the way running QBs don't learn how to read defenses. Someone like pjcas or Davisian could support/shit on that theory.

He also seems like a guy that lacks intensity for long periods.
Kreider needs to get his head out of his ass and finish  
Torrag : 11/30/2015 11:24 am : link
He's been terrible. We're beyond 'a slow start' with him now. With his physical ability and the experience he's accumulated he should be at the stage of contributing consistently on the scoreboard. Wake the fuck up.

AV going back to the D pairings he never should've went away from. Girardi isn't a top pair guy and hasn't been for some time. Yandle needs a partner that can bring some grit and as a 3rd pair guy Girardi does that.

I don't like FGast on the '2nd' line. he doesn't bring enough offensive potential imo. I'd go with these pairings.

Nash/Brass/Zucc
Miller/Hayes/Etem
Kreider/Lindberg/Fast
Stalberg/Stoll/Moore

......  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 11:26 am : link
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Spent the day with him today at a signing and noticed his left hand and thumb are heavily taped and thumb is immobilize and he wasn't moving it at all.. When i asked whats wrong he said. "I can't say but it hurts"

looks very swollen and might explain the issues handling the puck as his top hand is his control hand on the stick, Dan is a great guy always smiling and great with the fans. Signing went great and he was amazing with the kids as most of the guys are.


AV should be sitting him for a couple of weeks if this is the case. We have the depth for this.
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yep toughness counts but it's stupid to play a guy ...  
Torrag : 11/30/2015 11:29 am : link
...well below 100% healthy when you have solid options. This is where the coach has to say we know you're a warrior but we need you to get healthy. If you accept this as an factual account.
RE: ......  
MetsAreBack : 11/30/2015 11:52 am : link
In comment 12652874 BrettNYG10 said:
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Spent the day with him today at a signing and noticed his left hand and thumb are heavily taped and thumb is immobilize and he wasn't moving it at all.. When i asked whats wrong he said. "I can't say but it hurts"

looks very swollen and might explain the issues handling the puck as his top hand is his control hand on the stick, Dan is a great guy always smiling and great with the fans. Signing went great and he was amazing with the kids as most of the guys are.



AV should be sitting him for a couple of weeks if this is the case. We have the depth for this. HFBoards - ( New Window )



Agree. So what's Staal's excuse?
Stepan gone 4-6 weeks  
Kyle in NY : 11/30/2015 11:56 am : link
Fuck...

Thought McIlrath was one of the few that acquitted himself nicely this past weekend. He brings something to the lineup we don't have much of, and his skating and puck movement looks much improved. He should be playing much more often, and not just in place of Boyle. But it looks like he's out tonight
Stepan gone 4-6 weeks, and crickets from the league  
Greg from LI : 11/30/2015 11:59 am : link
I'm still really, really pissed about that entire sequence of events. Stepan gets hit VERY late yet it's the Bruins that end up getting the power play, and now Stepan's out for over a month while Beleskey doesn't even get a slap on the wrist. Fuck this league.
Duby gets a hearing for a run of the mill penalty to crosby...  
Torrag : 11/30/2015 12:05 pm : link
...we lose our #1 C to an obvious late hit and nada from the NHL. They're a fucking joke at this point.
RE: Stepan gone 4-6 weeks  
MetsAreBack : 11/30/2015 12:09 pm : link
In comment 12652974 Kyle in NY said:
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Fuck...

Thought McIlrath was one of the few that acquitted himself nicely this past weekend. He brings something to the lineup we don't have much of, and his skating and puck movement looks much improved. He should be playing much more often, and not just in place of Boyle. But it looks like he's out tonight


Really like #6. That hit on Schenn saturday was (sadly, but still awesome) the highlight of the day. Agree he should be playing every night but AV's love affair with injured or fork in back veterans is starting to wear on me.

This is an important game - Islanders will be tough Wednesday, and you have yet another back to back with COL thursday where we wont have much in the tank as its 5th game in 7 days. The losing streak could get a little nasty if we're not careful.
RE: Stepan gone 4-6 weeks, and crickets from the league  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/30/2015 12:54 pm : link
In comment 12652983 Greg from LI said:
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I'm still really, really pissed about that entire sequence of events. Stepan gets hit VERY late yet it's the Bruins that end up getting the power play, and now Stepan's out for over a month while Beleskey doesn't even get a slap on the wrist. Fuck this league.


I've seen both the Stepan hit and the play with Hank. It seems like the coaches and Rangers' organization have been very preoccupied with the Hank situation and whether or not it was a dive, and I don't really get why.

If I'm the Rangers, the hit on Stepan was egregiously dirty and I'm throwing a massive fit about it. No offense, but Hank may have dove. He also may have not, but it's not all that cut and dry.

The hit on Stepan was dirty and the Rangers suffered a major consequence for it. Hoping he gets healthy for you guys soon. This is how we felt last year when Okposo went down.
didnt Okposo hurt his eye in practice  
MetsAreBack : 11/30/2015 1:05 pm : link
or off the ice?
RE: didnt Okposo hurt his eye in practice  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/30/2015 1:13 pm : link
In comment 12653189 MetsAreBack said:
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or off the ice?


He actually was punched in the face at Andrew MacDonald's bachelor party I heard (my friend knew one of the bridesmaids). But that's another can of tomatoes.

Yeah, they injuries are nothing alike at a lot. I was just being empathetic in regards to both of us losing our 2nd best forwards for 4-6 weeks.
MAB  
pganut : 11/30/2015 1:14 pm : link
It actually was a degenerative condition that manifested itself at practice. There were some "rumors" of it being the result of horseplay, but they were just that - rumors. Docs mentioned that he was lucky they caught the situation when they did.
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Mike in Long Beach : 11/30/2015 1:14 pm : link
Yeah, they injuries are nothing alike at a lot.

fixed: **Yeah, the injuries are nothing alike at all. **
Hank did not dive. He sold the call.  
Greg from LI : 11/30/2015 1:25 pm : link
PJ and I have discussed this in the past. A dive is creating a phantom penalty, the Syndee Crosby method of suddenly flying to the ice with arms flailing about despite barely being touched. Selling the call is when a guy is being hooked, and falls down to make sure that the refs see the hook.

Marchand's scummy rodent ass absolutely DID knee him in the head. There's no question about it. Now, was Henrik as hurt by it as he appeared to be? Maybe, maybe not. It might have been an act, but if so it doesn't absolve Marchand.

The reason all the talk has been about that and not Stepan is because that ugly turd Julian kept flapping his mouth about it.
Rangers  
jv : 11/30/2015 1:36 pm : link
called up Megna. Apparently 1 of our 12 healthy (non-Stepan) forwards is a game time decision.
well we all knew the early season health was too good to be true  
MetsAreBack : 11/30/2015 1:52 pm : link
hopefully injuries dont start to cluster.

but i would think a team would need to carry a 13th forward regardless considering you know Stepan wont be back for so long. Shit happens, guys get ill or in Stoll's case show up high.
oh...  
MetsAreBack : 11/30/2015 1:53 pm : link
and wasnt Fast carried off the ice after blocking a shot with a few minutes left on the 3-on-5 PK to end Saturday's nightmare?
....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 1:56 pm : link
Fast returned, I thought?

At least MacDonald did something right - $5M a year and in the AHL...
maybe... i didnt stick around for the final 2 minutes Saturday  
MetsAreBack : 11/30/2015 1:58 pm : link
he had to be helped by two linemates and went right to the dressing room when that Flyers PP ended
RE: ....  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/30/2015 2:02 pm : link
In comment 12653334 BrettNYG10 said:
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Fast returned, I thought?

At least MacDonald did something right - $5M a year and in the AHL...


Ha, it was at his party, but probably was just some guy who did it. Not to dispute pganut's info, but I heard this from a pretty reliable source. Probably the only time I've ever had legit asshat insights.
With those lines  
Deej : 11/30/2015 2:32 pm : link
it strikes me that the Lindberg-Kreider-Fast line is the 3rd line, not 2nd line.
Suck it Deej.  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 7:08 pm : link
#lgr
Yay.  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 7:12 pm : link
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This would be as good a place as any to acknowledge how grievously  
Greg from LI : 11/30/2015 7:22 pm : link
wrong I was about Zuccarello 5 years ago.
Boyle for Norris.  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 7:43 pm : link
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Would like to see even more  
Kyle in NY : 11/30/2015 7:59 pm : link
of Boyle and Yandle on the PP
...  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 8:05 pm : link
Girardi losing a battle along the boards leading to a goal? Yup.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 8:08 pm : link
Kreider with an elite goal scorers goal there.
Fuck. That was pretty.  
BrettNYG10 : 11/30/2015 8:31 pm : link
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Rough night for cam ward  
Kyle in NY : 11/30/2015 8:35 pm : link
feels like we light him up pretty routinely.
Down to a one goal lead and getting heavily outshot again  
Greg from LI : 11/30/2015 9:17 pm : link
Who the hell is Chris Terry?? Christ.
Rangers getting worked over a bit  
B in ALB : 11/30/2015 9:17 pm : link
The last 20 or so minutes Carolina has outplayed them, easily.
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