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It's 1000% a talent problem.

Britt in VA : 12/20/2015 2:20 pm
Beckham drops a TD.

DRC Drops another Pick 6.

Jennings fumbles away a promising drive.

If they fire Coughlin, it's a BIG FUCKING MISTAKE.
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Beckham's having a great game.  
Britt in VA : 12/20/2015 3:23 pm : link
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RE: I've said a million times that if Coughlin gets fired....  
Wuphat : 12/20/2015 3:24 pm : link
In comment 12698314 Britt in VA said:
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I won't argue it.

I'm just saying that this season is not on him. Period.


It is. Period.

Now what do we do? Neither post backs up the statement with any facts (you know, because fuck statistics and shit). I guess just declarative statements and caps locks rule the day, right? Is it all about the feels and what your eye tells you?

Cause, that's a shitty way to evaluate things that aren't art.
TC really has control of Beckham today Britt  
Sean : 12/20/2015 3:25 pm : link
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RE: TC really has control of Beckham today Britt  
Britt in VA : 12/20/2015 3:26 pm : link
In comment 12698428 Sean said:
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HA! That's on TC??????
Beckham is on coaching  
Patrick77 : 12/20/2015 3:26 pm : link
He needs to be pulled
Here's how you know it's coaching  
Wuphat : 12/20/2015 3:27 pm : link
OBJ is still in the game.

TC should have sat him after the half for this bullshit. Not for the drops, but for being a cunt.
RE: RE: I've said a million times that if Coughlin gets fired....  
David in LA : 12/20/2015 3:28 pm : link
In comment 12698402 Wuphat said:
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In comment 12698314 Britt in VA said:


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I won't argue it.

I'm just saying that this season is not on him. Period.



It is. Period.

Now what do we do? Neither post backs up the statement with any facts (you know, because fuck statistics and shit). I guess just declarative statements and caps locks rule the day, right? Is it all about the feels and what your eye tells you?

Cause, that's a shitty way to evaluate things that aren't art.


Being a big picture guy absolves Britt from using logic, and facts to hold him to the premise of the point he's trying to prove. It's a convenient safespace for people who offer nothing but blanket statements. It's a neat little title that is actually a mental crutch for people who lack the eloquence to reason their way out of a jam.
You fucks would have been all over Coughlin if he sat Beckham at half.  
Britt in VA : 12/20/2015 3:28 pm : link
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RE: RE: TC really has control of Beckham today Britt  
David in LA : 12/20/2015 3:29 pm : link
In comment 12698445 Britt in VA said:
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HA! That's on TC??????


You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
I called Beckham out to start this thread...  
Britt in VA : 12/20/2015 3:29 pm : link
and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".

Funny how this thread has morphed.
RE: You fucks would have been all over Coughlin if he sat Beckham at half.  
Wuphat : 12/20/2015 3:29 pm : link
In comment 12698483 Britt in VA said:
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Nope.

He should have sat him down for his behavior. That's the thing a coach should do.

Not for the drops, for the behavior.
Britt..  
Sean : 12/20/2015 3:29 pm : link
Coughlin teams are known for discipline. This game is completely unhinged.
RE: You fucks would have been all over Coughlin if he sat Beckham at half.  
David in LA : 12/20/2015 3:30 pm : link
In comment 12698483 Britt in VA said:
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…and there's the classic strawman.
RE: RE: You fucks would have been all over Coughlin if he sat Beckham at half.  
Britt in VA : 12/20/2015 3:32 pm : link
In comment 12698523 David in LA said:
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…and there's the classic strawman.


He's been doing this the whole game! I called him out and you and others defended him.
If he wasn't fired before I believe Odell has sealed TC's fate  
steve in ky : 12/20/2015 3:32 pm : link
Lost complete control of his star player
RE: I called Beckham out to start this thread...  
chris r : 12/20/2015 3:32 pm : link
In comment 12698498 Britt in VA said:
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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".

Funny how this thread has morphed.


You called out one of the most talented players in the league as evidence the Giants lack talent.

It's a dumb thread. Not because because the giants don't lack talent but because you used their two most talented players as evidence.
RE: I called Beckham out to start this thread...  
Wuphat : 12/20/2015 3:33 pm : link
In comment 12698498 Britt in VA said:
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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".

Funny how this thread has morphed.


You called him out for lack of talent.

We're calling him out for his behavior.

If you don't understand that, I feel sorry for our future crayon eaters.
3 personal fouls  
Patrick77 : 12/20/2015 3:33 pm : link
And those are just the ones that he got called on...

Dez Bryant doesn't even pull this shit. Any other player on the Giants gets benched.
RE: RE: I called Beckham out to start this thread...  
Britt in VA : 12/20/2015 3:33 pm : link
In comment 12698563 chris r said:
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In comment 12698498 Britt in VA said:


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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".

Funny how this thread has morphed.



You called out one of the most talented players in the league as evidence the Giants lack talent.

It's a dumb thread. Not because because the giants don't lack talent but because you used their two most talented players as evidence.


Yeah, he's really showing his talent off today, isn't he?
RE: RE: I called Beckham out to start this thread...  
Britt in VA : 12/20/2015 3:34 pm : link
In comment 12698567 Wuphat said:
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In comment 12698498 Britt in VA said:


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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".

Funny how this thread has morphed.



You called him out for lack of talent.

We're calling him out for his behavior.

If you don't understand that, I feel sorry for our future crayon eaters.


Why do you keep trying to bait me by insulting my profession?
RE: I called Beckham out to start this thread...  
David in LA : 12/20/2015 3:36 pm : link
In comment 12698498 Britt in VA said:
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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".

Funny how this thread has morphed.


No, you said this is about talent and used the worst example available and us lemmings called out the big picture guy.
RE: RE: RE: I called Beckham out to start this thread...  
Wuphat : 12/20/2015 3:39 pm : link
In comment 12698594 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 12698567 Wuphat said:


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In comment 12698498 Britt in VA said:


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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".

Funny how this thread has morphed.



You called him out for lack of talent.

We're calling him out for his behavior.

If you don't understand that, I feel sorry for our future crayon eaters.



Why do you keep trying to bait me by insulting my profession?


Because as a teacher, which you rarely turn down an opportunity to remind us of, I'd expect you'd understand the difference between chastising someone's performance and ability and their behavior. You've demonstrated neither.

You also have consistently disregarded things like facts and evidence in favor of feelings and what your eye tells you.

That may serve you well as an artist, but it's dogshit for analysis of a game which is predicated on facts and evidence.

Maybe the skills you have as an art teacher don't translate well to a football analyst. Though, your position as a teacher should mean that you recognize the difference between lack of talent and shitty behavior.
Eh, let him vent  
Cruzin : 12/20/2015 3:40 pm : link

Obviously he's delusional saying OBJ has no talent.

That Jennings TD has to be the Panthers giving up, Jennings has no talent.

Come back tomorrow when you're not as emotional.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I called Beckham out to start this thread...  
Britt in VA : 12/20/2015 3:42 pm : link
In comment 12698657 Wuphat said:
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In comment 12698594 Britt in VA said:


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In comment 12698567 Wuphat said:


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In comment 12698498 Britt in VA said:


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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".

Funny how this thread has morphed.



You called him out for lack of talent.

We're calling him out for his behavior.

If you don't understand that, I feel sorry for our future crayon eaters.



Why do you keep trying to bait me by insulting my profession?



Because as a teacher, which you rarely turn down an opportunity to remind us of, I'd expect you'd understand the difference between chastising someone's performance and ability and their behavior. You've demonstrated neither.

You also have consistently disregarded things like facts and evidence in favor of feelings and what your eye tells you.

That may serve you well as an artist, but it's dogshit for analysis of a game which is predicated on facts and evidence.

Maybe the skills you have as an art teacher don't translate well to a football analyst. Though, your position as a teacher should mean that you recognize the difference between lack of talent and shitty behavior.


It shouldn't be part of the discussion, period.

That's you showing your ass, not me.
RE: As a big TC fan.  
jcn56 : 12/20/2015 3:45 pm : link
In comment 12698004 BrettNYG10 said:
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I've struggled to see evidence of a well coached team this year - today or most of the season. There's a repeated lack of discipline. And TC, late in the half and game, has repeatedly made decisions that tilt probabilities against us.


100% agreed with this. I don't doubt that talent issues made TCs job more difficult, but the job his staff has done has been questionable at times, in particular during late game situations.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I called Beckham out to start this thread...  
Wuphat : 12/20/2015 3:46 pm : link
In comment 12698700 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 12698657 Wuphat said:


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In comment 12698594 Britt in VA said:


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In comment 12698567 Wuphat said:


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In comment 12698498 Britt in VA said:


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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".

Funny how this thread has morphed.



You called him out for lack of talent.

We're calling him out for his behavior.

If you don't understand that, I feel sorry for our future crayon eaters.



Why do you keep trying to bait me by insulting my profession?



Because as a teacher, which you rarely turn down an opportunity to remind us of, I'd expect you'd understand the difference between chastising someone's performance and ability and their behavior. You've demonstrated neither.

You also have consistently disregarded things like facts and evidence in favor of feelings and what your eye tells you.

That may serve you well as an artist, but it's dogshit for analysis of a game which is predicated on facts and evidence.

Maybe the skills you have as an art teacher don't translate well to a football analyst. Though, your position as a teacher should mean that you recognize the difference between lack of talent and shitty behavior.



It shouldn't be part of the discussion, period.

That's you showing your ass, not me.


Hell, half the time you mention that you're a teacher, it's not relevant to the discussion. Doesn't stop you. Does that mean in those cases it's you showing your ass?

I guess it's OK when it suits your agenda, but not relevant when it opposes your agenda.

Neat trick.
This is like a football IQ test  
AP in Halfmoon : 12/20/2015 3:47 pm : link
And those who blame Coughlin are failing.
Yeah, it's a football thread....  
Britt in VA : 12/20/2015 3:48 pm : link
And you're insulting my profession with no provocation whatsoever.

I'm out.
Wuphat is a cutthroat vulcan  
David in LA : 12/20/2015 3:48 pm : link
lol
RE: Yeah, it's a football thread....  
Wuphat : 12/20/2015 3:48 pm : link
In comment 12698779 Britt in VA said:
[quote] And you're insulting my profession with no provocation whatsoever.

I'm out. [/quote

Your smartest post of the day
RE: This is like a football IQ test  
chris r : 12/20/2015 3:51 pm : link
In comment 12698778 AP in Halfmoon said:
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And those who blame Coughlin are failing.


You're right. He's been blameless all year.

Are you by any chamcw Mrs coughlin?
RE: RE: This is like a football IQ test  
Anakim : 12/20/2015 3:53 pm : link
In comment 12698812 chris r said:
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In comment 12698778 AP in Halfmoon said:


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And those who blame Coughlin are failing.



You're right. He's been blameless all year.

Are you by any chamcw Mrs coughlin?


He's a troll
Britt  
Bill2 : 12/20/2015 3:53 pm : link
It's very frustrating. So frustrating it temporarily log jams other skills. I think we all can understand and relate.

but could be time to chalk it up to that and just delete until you have had 24 hours to analyze?

It's like posting during a game. It's just rooting and dealing. It's not fair to hold it up as analysis. And on this thread the standards being used is thoughtful analysis.

now its turned to your/anyone's hot button sensitivities.

Not fair all around on a bad day and bad time for any Giants fan. Let's let it go?
RE: RE: RE: This is like a football IQ test  
AP in Halfmoon : 12/20/2015 4:00 pm : link
In comment 12698831 Anakim said:
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In comment 12698812 chris r said:


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In comment 12698778 AP in Halfmoon said:


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And those who blame Coughlin are failing.



You're right. He's been blameless all year.

Are you by any chamcw Mrs coughlin?



He's a troll


Anakim, with all due respect you're an idiot when it comes to football and hockey. I can tell you have never put on pads in your life. You've probably never played touch. What's makes your opinion valid and me a troll? I believe the players have responsibility to make plays. You're like a little who wants a new toy.
Like I said, a troll  
Anakim : 12/20/2015 4:10 pm : link
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You're the one acting like the troll  
AP in Halfmoon : 12/20/2015 4:14 pm : link
Throwing out insults and making stupid and uninformed posts.

Again, what makes me the troll and your opinion valid? We all no the answer, let's see if you'll man up and admit it.
RE: You're the one acting like the troll  
Anakim : 12/20/2015 4:15 pm : link
In comment 12699130 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Throwing out insults and making stupid and uninformed posts.

Again, what makes me the troll and your opinion valid? We all no the answer, let's see if you'll man up and admit it.


What was your previous handle? Fess up
Nice job deflecting  
AP in Halfmoon : 12/20/2015 4:24 pm : link
again, what makes me a troll and your opinion valid? It should be an easy question, you made an accusation, back it up. BTW, I've been reading your posts for a while but that hardly makes me a troll.
Ungainly twice on final drive:  
Steve Filipowicz : 12/20/2015 4:27 pm : link
17 yes to Olsen and missed tackle on Cam

Why Unga even on the team let alone playing?
RE: Nice job deflecting  
Anakim : 12/20/2015 4:27 pm : link
In comment 12699295 AP in Halfmoon said:
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again, what makes me a troll and your opinion valid? It should be an easy question, you made an accusation, back it up. BTW, I've been reading your posts for a while but that hardly makes me a troll.


You deflected the question. What's your previous handle?
RE: Ungainly twice on final drive:  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/20/2015 4:29 pm : link
In comment 12699350 Steve Filipowicz said:
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17 yes to Olsen and missed tackle on Cam

Why Unga even on the team let alone playing?


Unga wasn't the problem on that play... he actually had good coverage early. The problem was the lack of pass rush on the play.

The 2 biggest differences between these 2 teams is:

- Luke Keuchly
- Thomas Davis Sr.

It's 1000% is a talent issue, although everyone wearing a Giants' logo made enough mistakes to lose the game in the first half.
Anyone who thinks it's 1000% anything  
jcn56 : 12/20/2015 4:32 pm : link
knows as much about football as they do math.
Any previous I handle is irrelevant to your accusation  
AP in Halfmoon : 12/20/2015 4:47 pm : link
I don't recall my registration.

How is that relevant to you calling me a troll?

You're the troll Anakim. You're posting on a football while being totally clueless about the sport. That's being a troll.

However, I just ignore you. You're the one making the accusation. Now back it up. Be a man, it you're capable.
RE: Any previous I handle is irrelevant to your accusation  
Anakim : 12/20/2015 4:48 pm : link
In comment 12699628 AP in Halfmoon said:
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I don't recall my registration.

How is that relevant to you calling me a troll?

You're the troll Anakim. You're posting on a football while being totally clueless about the sport. That's being a troll.

However, I just ignore you. You're the one making the accusation. Now back it up. Be a man, it you're capable.


Haha, you just proved my point.

G'day to you, dupe
Again nice deflection  
AP in Halfmoon : 12/20/2015 5:14 pm : link
Why won't you answer? You're the one trolling. The evidence is very clear. See above
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David in LA : 12/22/2015 2:23 pm : link
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Both should go.  
Dave in Hoboken : 12/22/2015 2:30 pm : link
Time for a new regime.
Talent can cover up a lot of warts  
djm : 12/22/2015 10:07 pm : link
It's clear to see there's talent issues on this team. It's also clear to see that this team is scared to death in the 4th quarter. Please don't even try to argue this. Since mid 2012 this team cannot win close games especially when the opponent is quality.

Something is very very wrong here. You don't lose 5-6 games the day we have just because of talent issues. The defense always looks pretty good early on and then completely falls apart late. The offense, as good as it's been always seems to save its worst for the end.

No one has defended coughlin more than I have lately. But something is rotten here. This season has gone way past disturbing. It's downright terrifying. We have the most steely eyed clutch qb of this era and this team can't close. Usually it's on the D but not always.

Haven't read through the whole thread yet, but...  
JOrthman : 12/22/2015 10:31 pm : link
I'd say I agree, but you chose poor examples.
It's a talent problem...  
Torrag : 12/22/2015 11:26 pm : link
...compounded by an injury problem.
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