and I agree that we are talent deficient, but then you cite a Beckham drop and a DRC drop... Are you suggesting those 2 players are talent deficient? Beckham is among the most talent receivers in the league.
Two good players playing sloppy football like the rest Â
so sick of this team. Reese has been awful. Britt- you are suggesting hiring a new GM and forcing him to keep a 70 year old coach who hasn't made the playoffs in 4 straight seasons?
than a lack of talent. Beckham and DRC are a couple of the more talented guys in the league. They're just fucking things up.
But I can name bad coaching decisions in this game. Not going for it on 4th and 1, running stupid plays on third down that are far short of the marker, not taking Dahl out when he's involved in every TD the Panthers get. It's a talent and a coaching issue. Stop trying to pick sides. It takes both to be this bad.
Are you guys happy that we blew leads? I mean, the fact that we had leads is a testament to how well Coughlin is doing with such little talent, right? Seems like the fact that we've blown leads instead of being blown out means that Tom Coughlin is doing an excellent job given the lack of talent on this team.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: unless we make the playoffs AND get past the first round, Coach Coughlin and General Manager Reese should not be brought back.
A drop is a mistake. What's your argument? That Beckham and DRC aren't talented enough? This team probably has 3 wins without Beckham. All teams have drops.
Again, the coaching staff has made plenty of blunders this season and this game. I'm not sure why some people choose to ignore that. It can be both a talent and a coaching issue.
It's not the refs, it's not the play calling..... Â
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
easily find a coach that will be a better HC than he is. However I don't really have a problem with those that believe that it is time for a change. What I don't get is those that wants to fire TC yet keep Reese.
If they fire TC then please bring in a new GM as well and lets get a fresh set of eyes looking at the entire organization. I true fresh start.
and left the half down an additional 7 pts and had all 3 timeouts in their pocket.
That's coaching.
I don't follow. Do you think Coughlin should always use timeouts since you can't carry them over?
Since the Jennings fumble the panthers have skull fucked the Giants without mercy. So how do the timeouts change that?
There was no reason to rush that 3rd and 1. They had the option to use a TO there and get a much higher percentage play called. They chose not to. That's a poor coaching decision.
Get that first down and it's likely still a 7 pt game at worst.
This has been a weakass gameplan, yet again. And terrible coaching decisions.They've yet to even try to attack guys like Tillman or Finnegan in coverage. Despite the OL doing a great job. They keep trying to dink and donk to the strength of the Panthers defense.
And more dumb coaching decisions. Punting from the 40 on 4th and 1?
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Beckham dropped the potential game winner against the Patriots. He dropped a TD at the end of the first half against the Jets.
DRC droppped a pick 6 against the Redskins.
3 of our last four losses, those two failed to make plays.
They HAVE to make plays. Yes, THEY are talented, but we need our BEST players to make plays when the rest of our team sucks.
so you are another poster (seems there are many) who think Reese tells Coughlin, "these are your players, deal with it."
If you think they don't work as a team when it comes to choosing talent, or think that Coughlin doesn't have any say around here then I don't know what to tell you.
You can't guarantee things happen they way you want them to if you call a timeout just because things didn't work out in reality.
What did happen so the Giants have folded since the Jennings fumble. At this point they need to regroup and find where Panthers stomped their dicks into the ground, pick them up and play football.
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Beckham dropped the potential game winner against the Patriots. He dropped a TD at the end of the first half against the Jets.
DRC droppped a pick 6 against the Redskins.
3 of our last four losses, those two failed to make plays.
They HAVE to make plays. Yes, THEY are talented, but we need our BEST players to make plays when the rest of our team sucks.
I'm not disagreeing with you there, but what's the solution? Seems like you're blaming the star players for making dumb mistakes, which is fine, but then what's the solution?
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It's not clock management. It's a failure of the players to execute and that is on them and Jerry Reese
That is actually not Reese's job at all. I guess it is his job to pick the right coaches who are supposed to make these players execute though.
He is the general manager. His primary responsibility is to over see talent acquisition. Talent means being able to execute. This teams has failed to execute this year on a routine basis. When the plays are there, and they are not made, it's not a coaching problem
so you are another poster (seems there are many) who think Reese tells Coughlin, "these are your players, deal with it."
If you think they don't work as a team when it comes to choosing talent, or think that Coughlin doesn't have any say around here then I don't know what to tell you.
Yep. Do we really have people here who didn't think Spags had a hand in getting Dahl here? There's a reason the team won't take him out even though he sucks. Literally anything would be an improvement over Dahl in this game.
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Beckham dropped the potential game winner against the Patriots. He dropped a TD at the end of the first half against the Jets.
DRC droppped a pick 6 against the Redskins.
3 of our last four losses, those two failed to make plays.
They HAVE to make plays. Yes, THEY are talented, but we need our BEST players to make plays when the rest of our team sucks.
I'm not disagreeing with you there, but what's the solution? Seems like you're blaming the star players for making dumb mistakes, which is fine, but then what's the solution?
I don't have the solution, but I can't blame Coughlin when our best players fail to execute and the rest of our team sucks.
Talent is the problem. If they fire the coach who's job it is to help pick the talent on this team it's a mistake.
- Britt
Haha, Tom Coughlin picks that talent? Then what is Jerry Reese? A puppet?
He has input on who plays. The curious decisions to play Kuhn until the decision is taken out of his hands (injuries). It's actually a pattern that was a big reason why our OL deteriorated. A new guy was likely never going to supplant O'Hara, Diehl, or Snee.
You can't guarantee things happen they way you want them to if you call a timeout just because things didn't work out in reality.
What did happen so the Giants have folded since the Jennings fumble. At this point they need to regroup and find where Panthers stomped their dicks into the ground, pick them up and play football.
I'm not saying that they definitely would have gotten the first down. But, they had the ability, and chose not to, take a timeout and make sure they called the best possible play to make the first down.
Not doing so is a poor coaching decision whether or not the play was executed.
where he is stuck with a coach. Yay! A high profile job with limited ability to make major decisions.
Apparently Reese does... I keep hearing how Coughlin has a control and Reese isn't allowed to fire him. So I guess we already have a stooge, can't be hard to find another one.
I am looking at this team and other than OBJ and Eli, we may have the worst roster in the league. If not the worst, very close to it.
If anything, I think Coughlin has gotten a lot out of this shit pile collection of players. Has Coughlin made some mistakes? Absolutely and I have been right there with those on the Coughlin firing squad at times. However, when you step back and look at it, the talent simply is not there.
We are also not going to be able to fix this in one season. I also do not have any faith that Reese and his team know what they are doing at this point.
where he is stuck with a coach. Yay! A high profile job with limited ability to make major decisions.
Apparently Reese does... I keep hearing how Coughlin has a control and Reese isn't allowed to fire him. So I guess we already have a stooge, can't be hard to find another one.
Coughlin was almost fired. Reese will get the chance to hire his own guy.
I've struggled to see evidence of a well coached team this year - today or most of the season. There's a repeated lack of discipline. And TC, late in the half and game, has repeatedly made decisions that tilt probabilities against us.
RE: But David, you'll see us winning the game as some victory over me.... Â
in some fucked up way, but that's because we all know you're too stupid to see the big picture.
That's your M.O. here.
Trust me, I'm much more of a big picture guy than you are. This is not about a personal victory over you, the fact that you think that reflects on yourself, pal. I'll stick to logic, since that pisses you off so much. What's so "big picture" about bringing back a 70 year old coach whose track record involves missed the playoffs every single season after 2011, who has made curious decisions about the depth chart and not hiring the correct coordinators?
It is mind-blowing to me that we as fans think we know these things. If that is true and the common fan knows Coughlin was almost fired and Reese has no real authority no wonder shits like Moore would do whatever the fuck they want.
I can't imagine any organization working where everyone inside and outside knows the top dog has no real power and the second in charge was almost fired recently but the general manager wasn't allowed to.
And a new coach is going to do what with this talent, exactly? Â
likely will get a chance to hire his own guy but that will be a big mistake. Reese has done an absolutely horrific job the last 3 years. He doesn't deserve to keep his job.
RE: And a new coach is going to do what with this talent, exactly? Â
And Jets? They went three quarters without scoring against a shit Redskin team and the offense could only generate 13 points against the Jets.
Well, the Jets won last night and are in the playoffs as of now, and the Redskins are beating the brakes off the Bills right now in a must win game, including beating us in a must win game.
And Jets? They went three quarters without scoring against a shit Redskin team and the offense could only generate 13 points against the Jets.
Well, the Jets won last night and are in the playoffs as of now, and the Redskins are beating the brakes off the Bills right now in a must win game, including beating us in a must win game.
So...
And the Giants had the talent to beat both the Bills and Redskins earlier in the year.
It's over. It's time to move on. Many of us are not happy that it's over as we hold Tom Coughlin in very high regard, but it's time to move on. There are no excuses anymore.
Thanks for the two Super Bowls, Tom and Jerry. It's been a fun run.
And a new coach is going to do what with this talent, exactly?
Britt in VA : 3:02 pm : link : reply
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1. Coaching changes has done wonders for players plenty of times in sports.
2. A change in coaches doesn't mean there will be zero changes in talent on the team.
A change also includes a fresh set of eyes and emphasis on different positions. There will be a ripple effect in scouting. The gm/hc relationship involves a lot of feedback from one another.
a few of them due to coaching mistakes, and you cherry pick a game against a 13-0 team to show that we are overmatched. Big picture thinking.
A lot of people here get what I'm saying.
No surprise that you whiff yet again.
A couple people is not the consensus. Your validation seeking is painfully obvious, if that's what you hang your hat on in proving your point. The fact that the counterintuitive logic of the premise of this thread is lost on you is surprising, especially when it's coming from a self professed 'big picture' thinker.
I'm just saying that this season is not on him. Period.
So going back to my original post:
You're content with the leads being blown because the fact that we weren't blown out is a testament to how well Coughlin has coached this team given its lack of talent.
I'm just saying that this season is not on him. Period.
It is. Period.
Now what do we do? Neither post backs up the statement with any facts (you know, because fuck statistics and shit). I guess just declarative statements and caps locks rule the day, right? Is it all about the feels and what your eye tells you?
Cause, that's a shitty way to evaluate things that aren't art.
I'm just saying that this season is not on him. Period.
It is. Period.
Now what do we do? Neither post backs up the statement with any facts (you know, because fuck statistics and shit). I guess just declarative statements and caps locks rule the day, right? Is it all about the feels and what your eye tells you?
Cause, that's a shitty way to evaluate things that aren't art.
Being a big picture guy absolves Britt from using logic, and facts to hold him to the premise of the point he's trying to prove. It's a convenient safespace for people who offer nothing but blanket statements. It's a neat little title that is actually a mental crutch for people who lack the eloquence to reason their way out of a jam.
You fucks would have been all over Coughlin if he sat Beckham at half. Â
and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".
Funny how this thread has morphed.
You called him out for lack of talent.
We're calling him out for his behavior.
If you don't understand that, I feel sorry for our future crayon eaters.
Why do you keep trying to bait me by insulting my profession?
Because as a teacher, which you rarely turn down an opportunity to remind us of, I'd expect you'd understand the difference between chastising someone's performance and ability and their behavior. You've demonstrated neither.
You also have consistently disregarded things like facts and evidence in favor of feelings and what your eye tells you.
That may serve you well as an artist, but it's dogshit for analysis of a game which is predicated on facts and evidence.
Maybe the skills you have as an art teacher don't translate well to a football analyst. Though, your position as a teacher should mean that you recognize the difference between lack of talent and shitty behavior.
and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".
Funny how this thread has morphed.
You called him out for lack of talent.
We're calling him out for his behavior.
If you don't understand that, I feel sorry for our future crayon eaters.
Why do you keep trying to bait me by insulting my profession?
Because as a teacher, which you rarely turn down an opportunity to remind us of, I'd expect you'd understand the difference between chastising someone's performance and ability and their behavior. You've demonstrated neither.
You also have consistently disregarded things like facts and evidence in favor of feelings and what your eye tells you.
That may serve you well as an artist, but it's dogshit for analysis of a game which is predicated on facts and evidence.
Maybe the skills you have as an art teacher don't translate well to a football analyst. Though, your position as a teacher should mean that you recognize the difference between lack of talent and shitty behavior.
I've struggled to see evidence of a well coached team this year - today or most of the season. There's a repeated lack of discipline. And TC, late in the half and game, has repeatedly made decisions that tilt probabilities against us.
100% agreed with this. I don't doubt that talent issues made TCs job more difficult, but the job his staff has done has been questionable at times, in particular during late game situations.
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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".
Funny how this thread has morphed.
You called him out for lack of talent.
We're calling him out for his behavior.
If you don't understand that, I feel sorry for our future crayon eaters.
Why do you keep trying to bait me by insulting my profession?
Because as a teacher, which you rarely turn down an opportunity to remind us of, I'd expect you'd understand the difference between chastising someone's performance and ability and their behavior. You've demonstrated neither.
You also have consistently disregarded things like facts and evidence in favor of feelings and what your eye tells you.
That may serve you well as an artist, but it's dogshit for analysis of a game which is predicated on facts and evidence.
Maybe the skills you have as an art teacher don't translate well to a football analyst. Though, your position as a teacher should mean that you recognize the difference between lack of talent and shitty behavior.
It shouldn't be part of the discussion, period.
That's you showing your ass, not me.
Hell, half the time you mention that you're a teacher, it's not relevant to the discussion. Doesn't stop you. Does that mean in those cases it's you showing your ass?
I guess it's OK when it suits your agenda, but not relevant when it opposes your agenda.
It's very frustrating. So frustrating it temporarily log jams other skills. I think we all can understand and relate.
but could be time to chalk it up to that and just delete until you have had 24 hours to analyze?
It's like posting during a game. It's just rooting and dealing. It's not fair to hold it up as analysis. And on this thread the standards being used is thoughtful analysis.
now its turned to your/anyone's hot button sensitivities.
Not fair all around on a bad day and bad time for any Giants fan. Let's let it go?
Anakim, with all due respect you're an idiot when it comes to football and hockey. I can tell you have never put on pads in your life. You've probably never played touch. What's makes your opinion valid and me a troll? I believe the players have responsibility to make plays. You're like a little who wants a new toy.
again, what makes me a troll and your opinion valid? It should be an easy question, you made an accusation, back it up. BTW, I've been reading your posts for a while but that hardly makes me a troll.
again, what makes me a troll and your opinion valid? It should be an easy question, you made an accusation, back it up. BTW, I've been reading your posts for a while but that hardly makes me a troll.
You deflected the question. What's your previous handle?
It's clear to see there's talent issues on this team. It's also clear to see that this team is scared to death in the 4th quarter. Please don't even try to argue this. Since mid 2012 this team cannot win close games especially when the opponent is quality.
Something is very very wrong here. You don't lose 5-6 games the day we have just because of talent issues. The defense always looks pretty good early on and then completely falls apart late. The offense, as good as it's been always seems to save its worst for the end.
No one has defended coughlin more than I have lately. But something is rotten here. This season has gone way past disturbing. It's downright terrifying. We have the most steely eyed clutch qb of this era and this team can't close. Usually it's on the D but not always.
Haven't read through the whole thread yet, but... Â
Yay stats. Glad they made the pro bowl.
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You can't make this shit up.
Yay stats. Glad they made the pro bowl.
Stats have nothing to do with how talented Beckham or DRC are.
They lack talent and the talent they do have is fucking up, players are poorly coached and dumb as fuck all on their own.
No one deserves a pass.
What game are you watching?
The mistakes highlight the fact that our talent is overmatched.
All in a critical past four game stretch.
Yes, they are talented, but my point is, if that's the best we've got, they have to make those plays.
We lack talent everywhere, and if they are the best we've got, they have to capitalize. They didn't/haven't. And continue not to.
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Its the mistakes that are killing us, and that isn't talent.
What game are you watching?
The mistakes highlight the fact that our talent is overmatched.
What's overmatched about dropping a wide open TD and pick 6?
They lack talent and the talent they do have is fucking up, players are poorly coached and dumb as fuck all on their own.
No one deserves a pass.
Thank you. I couldn't have said it any better myself.
Clean house.
You talk about sucking dick? You're sucking pro bowl dick.
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Its the mistakes that are killing us, and that isn't talent.
What game are you watching?
The mistakes highlight the fact that our talent is overmatched.
What's overmatched about dropping a wide open TD and pick 6?
So those two are mental screw ups....
This team is overmatched. 21-7 before half. On pace for a blowout. And the panthers get the ball back to start the first.
I'm not saying that. I'm saying how can you pin this on the coach?
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Its the mistakes that are killing us, and that isn't talent.
What game are you watching?
The mistakes highlight the fact that our talent is overmatched.
What's overmatched about dropping a wide open TD and pick 6?
So those two are mental screw ups....
This team is overmatched. 21-7 before half. On pace for a blowout. And the panthers get the ball back to start the first.
And if those three plays are made, it's a WAY different story.
You putting that on coaching?
But I can name bad coaching decisions in this game. Not going for it on 4th and 1, running stupid plays on third down that are far short of the marker, not taking Dahl out when he's involved in every TD the Panthers get. It's a talent and a coaching issue. Stop trying to pick sides. It takes both to be this bad.
All three.
Having OBJ running around like a punk retard throwing punches shows you that TC Isn't controlling this team like he should be.
That's coaching.
NOT
MAKING
PLAYS.
Call it what you want.
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: unless we make the playoffs AND get past the first round, Coach Coughlin and General Manager Reese should not be brought back.
New regime. New everything.
That's coaching.
I don't follow. Do you think Coughlin should always use timeouts since you can't carry them over?
Since the Jennings fumble the panthers have skull fucked the Giants without mercy. So how do the timeouts change that?
All three.
A drop is a mistake. What's your argument? That Beckham and DRC aren't talented enough? This team probably has 3 wins without Beckham. All teams have drops.
Again, the coaching staff has made plenty of blunders this season and this game. I'm not sure why some people choose to ignore that. It can be both a talent and a coaching issue.
- Britt
NOT
MAKING
PLAYS.
Call it what you want.
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
- Britt
Haha, Tom Coughlin picks that talent? Then what is Jerry Reese? A puppet?
If they fire TC then please bring in a new GM as well and lets get a fresh set of eyes looking at the entire organization. I true fresh start.
It's not clock management. It's a failure of the players to execute and that is on them and Jerry Reese
That is actually not Reese's job at all. I guess it is his job to pick the right coaches who are supposed to make these players execute though.
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and left the half down an additional 7 pts and had all 3 timeouts in their pocket.
That's coaching.
I don't follow. Do you think Coughlin should always use timeouts since you can't carry them over?
Since the Jennings fumble the panthers have skull fucked the Giants without mercy. So how do the timeouts change that?
There was no reason to rush that 3rd and 1. They had the option to use a TO there and get a much higher percentage play called. They chose not to. That's a poor coaching decision.
Get that first down and it's likely still a 7 pt game at worst.
And more dumb coaching decisions. Punting from the 40 on 4th and 1?
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Call it what you want.
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Beckham dropped the potential game winner against the Patriots. He dropped a TD at the end of the first half against the Jets.
DRC droppped a pick 6 against the Redskins.
3 of our last four losses, those two failed to make plays.
They HAVE to make plays. Yes, THEY are talented, but we need our BEST players to make plays when the rest of our team sucks.
If you think they don't work as a team when it comes to choosing talent, or think that Coughlin doesn't have any say around here then I don't know what to tell you.
What did happen so the Giants have folded since the Jennings fumble. At this point they need to regroup and find where Panthers stomped their dicks into the ground, pick them up and play football.
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PLAYS.
Call it what you want.
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Beckham dropped the potential game winner against the Patriots. He dropped a TD at the end of the first half against the Jets.
DRC droppped a pick 6 against the Redskins.
3 of our last four losses, those two failed to make plays.
They HAVE to make plays. Yes, THEY are talented, but we need our BEST players to make plays when the rest of our team sucks.
I'm not disagreeing with you there, but what's the solution? Seems like you're blaming the star players for making dumb mistakes, which is fine, but then what's the solution?
But just like I won't blame Jerry Reese for coaching decisions, I won't blame Coughlin for personnel decisions.
Coaches coach, and GM's stock the team. Put the blame where it belongs.
Injuries play a part, too.
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It's not clock management. It's a failure of the players to execute and that is on them and Jerry Reese
That is actually not Reese's job at all. I guess it is his job to pick the right coaches who are supposed to make these players execute though.
He is the general manager. His primary responsibility is to over see talent acquisition. Talent means being able to execute. This teams has failed to execute this year on a routine basis. When the plays are there, and they are not made, it's not a coaching problem
But just like I won't blame Jerry Reese for coaching decisions, I won't blame Coughlin for personnel decisions.
Coaches coach, and GM's stock the team. Put the blame where it belongs.
Injuries play a part, too.
Clean house.
If you think they don't work as a team when it comes to choosing talent, or think that Coughlin doesn't have any say around here then I don't know what to tell you.
Yep. Do we really have people here who didn't think Spags had a hand in getting Dahl here? There's a reason the team won't take him out even though he sucks. Literally anything would be an improvement over Dahl in this game.
Lol
Good one.
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PLAYS.
Call it what you want.
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Beckham dropped the potential game winner against the Patriots. He dropped a TD at the end of the first half against the Jets.
DRC droppped a pick 6 against the Redskins.
3 of our last four losses, those two failed to make plays.
They HAVE to make plays. Yes, THEY are talented, but we need our BEST players to make plays when the rest of our team sucks.
I'm not disagreeing with you there, but what's the solution? Seems like you're blaming the star players for making dumb mistakes, which is fine, but then what's the solution?
I don't have the solution, but I can't blame Coughlin when our best players fail to execute and the rest of our team sucks.
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Talent is the problem. If they fire the coach who's job it is to help pick the talent on this team it's a mistake.
- Britt
Haha, Tom Coughlin picks that talent? Then what is Jerry Reese? A puppet?
He has input on who plays. The curious decisions to play Kuhn until the decision is taken out of his hands (injuries). It's actually a pattern that was a big reason why our OL deteriorated. A new guy was likely never going to supplant O'Hara, Diehl, or Snee.
What did happen so the Giants have folded since the Jennings fumble. At this point they need to regroup and find where Panthers stomped their dicks into the ground, pick them up and play football.
I'm not saying that they definitely would have gotten the first down. But, they had the ability, and chose not to, take a timeout and make sure they called the best possible play to make the first down.
Not doing so is a poor coaching decision whether or not the play was executed.
Well, having awful safeties will make you be very conservative with your corners. So it goes back to the talent on the team
They should either fire them both or keep them both at this point.
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Then you want the new GM to retain Coughlin? How about a general manager who actually picks a head coach?
They should either fire them both or keep them both at this point.
That's fair. In my opinion, we either make the playoffs and get past the first round, or both should be let go.
Apparently Reese does... I keep hearing how Coughlin has a control and Reese isn't allowed to fire him. So I guess we already have a stooge, can't be hard to find another one.
I am looking at this team and other than OBJ and Eli, we may have the worst roster in the league. If not the worst, very close to it.
If anything, I think Coughlin has gotten a lot out of this shit pile collection of players. Has Coughlin made some mistakes? Absolutely and I have been right there with those on the Coughlin firing squad at times. However, when you step back and look at it, the talent simply is not there.
We are also not going to be able to fix this in one season. I also do not have any faith that Reese and his team know what they are doing at this point.
I hope we win the game too. Doesn't change the way we've played to this pointn.
That's your M.O. here.
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where he is stuck with a coach. Yay! A high profile job with limited ability to make major decisions.
Apparently Reese does... I keep hearing how Coughlin has a control and Reese isn't allowed to fire him. So I guess we already have a stooge, can't be hard to find another one.
Coughlin was almost fired. Reese will get the chance to hire his own guy.
That's your M.O. here.
Trust me, I'm much more of a big picture guy than you are. This is not about a personal victory over you, the fact that you think that reflects on yourself, pal. I'll stick to logic, since that pisses you off so much. What's so "big picture" about bringing back a 70 year old coach whose track record involves missed the playoffs every single season after 2011, who has made curious decisions about the depth chart and not hiring the correct coordinators?
I can't imagine any organization working where everyone inside and outside knows the top dog has no real power and the second in charge was almost fired recently but the general manager wasn't allowed to.
it's time to move on Britt.
Funchess is big.
Ginn is fast
Olsen is good.
Our defense is horrid.
At 7-7, DRC drops wide open pick 6.
At 7-7, Jennings fumbles at midfield.
Since? 28-7.
Generate 13 points on offense, that is.
Ernie didn't hire Tom. Mara did.
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1. Coaching changes has done wonders for players plenty of times in sports.
2. A change in coaches doesn't mean there will be zero changes in talent on the team.
Collective as in Reese didn't want him and the owners said suck it up butter cup?
Well, the Jets won last night and are in the playoffs as of now, and the Redskins are beating the brakes off the Bills right now in a must win game, including beating us in a must win game.
So...
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And Jets? They went three quarters without scoring against a shit Redskin team and the offense could only generate 13 points against the Jets.
Well, the Jets won last night and are in the playoffs as of now, and the Redskins are beating the brakes off the Bills right now in a must win game, including beating us in a must win game.
So...
And the Giants had the talent to beat both the Bills and Redskins earlier in the year.
Thanks for the two Super Bowls, Tom and Jerry. It's been a fun run.
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And a new coach is going to do what with this talent, exactly?
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1. Coaching changes has done wonders for players plenty of times in sports.
2. A change in coaches doesn't mean there will be zero changes in talent on the team.
A change also includes a fresh set of eyes and emphasis on different positions. There will be a ripple effect in scouting. The gm/hc relationship involves a lot of feedback from one another.
A lot of people here get what I'm saying.
No surprise that you whiff yet again.
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a few of them due to coaching mistakes, and you cherry pick a game against a 13-0 team to show that we are overmatched. Big picture thinking.
A lot of people here get what I'm saying.
No surprise that you whiff yet again.
A couple people is not the consensus. Your validation seeking is painfully obvious, if that's what you hang your hat on in proving your point. The fact that the counterintuitive logic of the premise of this thread is lost on you is surprising, especially when it's coming from a self professed 'big picture' thinker.
I'm just saying that this season is not on him. Period.
I'm just saying that this season is not on him. Period.
So going back to my original post:
You're content with the leads being blown because the fact that we weren't blown out is a testament to how well Coughlin has coached this team given its lack of talent.
I'm just saying that this season is not on him. Period.
It is. Period.
Now what do we do? Neither post backs up the statement with any facts (you know, because fuck statistics and shit). I guess just declarative statements and caps locks rule the day, right? Is it all about the feels and what your eye tells you?
Cause, that's a shitty way to evaluate things that aren't art.
HA! That's on TC??????
TC should have sat him after the half for this bullshit. Not for the drops, but for being a cunt.
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I won't argue it.
I'm just saying that this season is not on him. Period.
It is. Period.
Now what do we do? Neither post backs up the statement with any facts (you know, because fuck statistics and shit). I guess just declarative statements and caps locks rule the day, right? Is it all about the feels and what your eye tells you?
Cause, that's a shitty way to evaluate things that aren't art.
Being a big picture guy absolves Britt from using logic, and facts to hold him to the premise of the point he's trying to prove. It's a convenient safespace for people who offer nothing but blanket statements. It's a neat little title that is actually a mental crutch for people who lack the eloquence to reason their way out of a jam.
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HA! That's on TC??????
You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
Funny how this thread has morphed.
Nope.
He should have sat him down for his behavior. That's the thing a coach should do.
Not for the drops, for the behavior.
…and there's the classic strawman.
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…and there's the classic strawman.
He's been doing this the whole game! I called him out and you and others defended him.
Funny how this thread has morphed.
You called out one of the most talented players in the league as evidence the Giants lack talent.
It's a dumb thread. Not because because the giants don't lack talent but because you used their two most talented players as evidence.
Funny how this thread has morphed.
You called him out for lack of talent.
We're calling him out for his behavior.
If you don't understand that, I feel sorry for our future crayon eaters.
Dez Bryant doesn't even pull this shit. Any other player on the Giants gets benched.
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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".
Funny how this thread has morphed.
You called out one of the most talented players in the league as evidence the Giants lack talent.
It's a dumb thread. Not because because the giants don't lack talent but because you used their two most talented players as evidence.
Yeah, he's really showing his talent off today, isn't he?
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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".
Funny how this thread has morphed.
You called him out for lack of talent.
We're calling him out for his behavior.
If you don't understand that, I feel sorry for our future crayon eaters.
Why do you keep trying to bait me by insulting my profession?
Funny how this thread has morphed.
No, you said this is about talent and used the worst example available and us lemmings called out the big picture guy.
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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".
Funny how this thread has morphed.
You called him out for lack of talent.
We're calling him out for his behavior.
If you don't understand that, I feel sorry for our future crayon eaters.
Why do you keep trying to bait me by insulting my profession?
Because as a teacher, which you rarely turn down an opportunity to remind us of, I'd expect you'd understand the difference between chastising someone's performance and ability and their behavior. You've demonstrated neither.
You also have consistently disregarded things like facts and evidence in favor of feelings and what your eye tells you.
That may serve you well as an artist, but it's dogshit for analysis of a game which is predicated on facts and evidence.
Maybe the skills you have as an art teacher don't translate well to a football analyst. Though, your position as a teacher should mean that you recognize the difference between lack of talent and shitty behavior.
Obviously he's delusional saying OBJ has no talent.
That Jennings TD has to be the Panthers giving up, Jennings has no talent.
Come back tomorrow when you're not as emotional.
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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".
Funny how this thread has morphed.
You called him out for lack of talent.
We're calling him out for his behavior.
If you don't understand that, I feel sorry for our future crayon eaters.
Why do you keep trying to bait me by insulting my profession?
Because as a teacher, which you rarely turn down an opportunity to remind us of, I'd expect you'd understand the difference between chastising someone's performance and ability and their behavior. You've demonstrated neither.
You also have consistently disregarded things like facts and evidence in favor of feelings and what your eye tells you.
That may serve you well as an artist, but it's dogshit for analysis of a game which is predicated on facts and evidence.
Maybe the skills you have as an art teacher don't translate well to a football analyst. Though, your position as a teacher should mean that you recognize the difference between lack of talent and shitty behavior.
It shouldn't be part of the discussion, period.
That's you showing your ass, not me.
100% agreed with this. I don't doubt that talent issues made TCs job more difficult, but the job his staff has done has been questionable at times, in particular during late game situations.
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and you fucking lemmings defended the "pro bowler".
Funny how this thread has morphed.
You called him out for lack of talent.
We're calling him out for his behavior.
If you don't understand that, I feel sorry for our future crayon eaters.
Why do you keep trying to bait me by insulting my profession?
Because as a teacher, which you rarely turn down an opportunity to remind us of, I'd expect you'd understand the difference between chastising someone's performance and ability and their behavior. You've demonstrated neither.
You also have consistently disregarded things like facts and evidence in favor of feelings and what your eye tells you.
That may serve you well as an artist, but it's dogshit for analysis of a game which is predicated on facts and evidence.
Maybe the skills you have as an art teacher don't translate well to a football analyst. Though, your position as a teacher should mean that you recognize the difference between lack of talent and shitty behavior.
It shouldn't be part of the discussion, period.
That's you showing your ass, not me.
Hell, half the time you mention that you're a teacher, it's not relevant to the discussion. Doesn't stop you. Does that mean in those cases it's you showing your ass?
I guess it's OK when it suits your agenda, but not relevant when it opposes your agenda.
Neat trick.
I'm out.
[quote] And you're insulting my profession with no provocation whatsoever.
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Your smartest post of the day
You're right. He's been blameless all year.
Are you by any chamcw Mrs coughlin?
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And those who blame Coughlin are failing.
You're right. He's been blameless all year.
Are you by any chamcw Mrs coughlin?
He's a troll
but could be time to chalk it up to that and just delete until you have had 24 hours to analyze?
It's like posting during a game. It's just rooting and dealing. It's not fair to hold it up as analysis. And on this thread the standards being used is thoughtful analysis.
now its turned to your/anyone's hot button sensitivities.
Not fair all around on a bad day and bad time for any Giants fan. Let's let it go?
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And those who blame Coughlin are failing.
You're right. He's been blameless all year.
Are you by any chamcw Mrs coughlin?
He's a troll
Anakim, with all due respect you're an idiot when it comes to football and hockey. I can tell you have never put on pads in your life. You've probably never played touch. What's makes your opinion valid and me a troll? I believe the players have responsibility to make plays. You're like a little who wants a new toy.
Again, what makes me the troll and your opinion valid? We all no the answer, let's see if you'll man up and admit it.
Again, what makes me the troll and your opinion valid? We all no the answer, let's see if you'll man up and admit it.
What was your previous handle? Fess up
Why Unga even on the team let alone playing?
You deflected the question. What's your previous handle?
Why Unga even on the team let alone playing?
Unga wasn't the problem on that play... he actually had good coverage early. The problem was the lack of pass rush on the play.
The 2 biggest differences between these 2 teams is:
- Luke Keuchly
- Thomas Davis Sr.
It's 1000% is a talent issue, although everyone wearing a Giants' logo made enough mistakes to lose the game in the first half.
How is that relevant to you calling me a troll?
You're the troll Anakim. You're posting on a football while being totally clueless about the sport. That's being a troll.
However, I just ignore you. You're the one making the accusation. Now back it up. Be a man, it you're capable.
How is that relevant to you calling me a troll?
You're the troll Anakim. You're posting on a football while being totally clueless about the sport. That's being a troll.
However, I just ignore you. You're the one making the accusation. Now back it up. Be a man, it you're capable.
Haha, you just proved my point.
G'day to you, dupe
Something is very very wrong here. You don't lose 5-6 games the day we have just because of talent issues. The defense always looks pretty good early on and then completely falls apart late. The offense, as good as it's been always seems to save its worst for the end.
No one has defended coughlin more than I have lately. But something is rotten here. This season has gone way past disturbing. It's downright terrifying. We have the most steely eyed clutch qb of this era and this team can't close. Usually it's on the D but not always.