and left the half down an additional 7 pts and had all 3 timeouts in their pocket.
That's coaching.
I don't follow. Do you think Coughlin should always use timeouts since you can't carry them over?
Since the Jennings fumble the panthers have skull fucked the Giants without mercy. So how do the timeouts change that?
There was no reason to rush that 3rd and 1. They had the option to use a TO there and get a much higher percentage play called. They chose not to. That's a poor coaching decision.
Get that first down and it's likely still a 7 pt game at worst.
This has been a weakass gameplan, yet again. And terrible coaching decisions.They've yet to even try to attack guys like Tillman or Finnegan in coverage. Despite the OL doing a great job. They keep trying to dink and donk to the strength of the Panthers defense.
And more dumb coaching decisions. Punting from the 40 on 4th and 1?
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Beckham dropped the potential game winner against the Patriots. He dropped a TD at the end of the first half against the Jets.
DRC droppped a pick 6 against the Redskins.
3 of our last four losses, those two failed to make plays.
They HAVE to make plays. Yes, THEY are talented, but we need our BEST players to make plays when the rest of our team sucks.
so you are another poster (seems there are many) who think Reese tells Coughlin, "these are your players, deal with it."
If you think they don't work as a team when it comes to choosing talent, or think that Coughlin doesn't have any say around here then I don't know what to tell you.
You can't guarantee things happen they way you want them to if you call a timeout just because things didn't work out in reality.
What did happen so the Giants have folded since the Jennings fumble. At this point they need to regroup and find where Panthers stomped their dicks into the ground, pick them up and play football.
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Beckham dropped the potential game winner against the Patriots. He dropped a TD at the end of the first half against the Jets.
DRC droppped a pick 6 against the Redskins.
3 of our last four losses, those two failed to make plays.
They HAVE to make plays. Yes, THEY are talented, but we need our BEST players to make plays when the rest of our team sucks.
I'm not disagreeing with you there, but what's the solution? Seems like you're blaming the star players for making dumb mistakes, which is fine, but then what's the solution?
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It's not clock management. It's a failure of the players to execute and that is on them and Jerry Reese
That is actually not Reese's job at all. I guess it is his job to pick the right coaches who are supposed to make these players execute though.
He is the general manager. His primary responsibility is to over see talent acquisition. Talent means being able to execute. This teams has failed to execute this year on a routine basis. When the plays are there, and they are not made, it's not a coaching problem
so you are another poster (seems there are many) who think Reese tells Coughlin, "these are your players, deal with it."
If you think they don't work as a team when it comes to choosing talent, or think that Coughlin doesn't have any say around here then I don't know what to tell you.
Yep. Do we really have people here who didn't think Spags had a hand in getting Dahl here? There's a reason the team won't take him out even though he sucks. Literally anything would be an improvement over Dahl in this game.
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Beckham dropped the potential game winner against the Patriots. He dropped a TD at the end of the first half against the Jets.
DRC droppped a pick 6 against the Redskins.
3 of our last four losses, those two failed to make plays.
They HAVE to make plays. Yes, THEY are talented, but we need our BEST players to make plays when the rest of our team sucks.
I'm not disagreeing with you there, but what's the solution? Seems like you're blaming the star players for making dumb mistakes, which is fine, but then what's the solution?
I don't have the solution, but I can't blame Coughlin when our best players fail to execute and the rest of our team sucks.
Talent is the problem. If they fire the coach who's job it is to help pick the talent on this team it's a mistake.
- Britt
Haha, Tom Coughlin picks that talent? Then what is Jerry Reese? A puppet?
He has input on who plays. The curious decisions to play Kuhn until the decision is taken out of his hands (injuries). It's actually a pattern that was a big reason why our OL deteriorated. A new guy was likely never going to supplant O'Hara, Diehl, or Snee.
You can't guarantee things happen they way you want them to if you call a timeout just because things didn't work out in reality.
What did happen so the Giants have folded since the Jennings fumble. At this point they need to regroup and find where Panthers stomped their dicks into the ground, pick them up and play football.
I'm not saying that they definitely would have gotten the first down. But, they had the ability, and chose not to, take a timeout and make sure they called the best possible play to make the first down.
Not doing so is a poor coaching decision whether or not the play was executed.
where he is stuck with a coach. Yay! A high profile job with limited ability to make major decisions.
Apparently Reese does... I keep hearing how Coughlin has a control and Reese isn't allowed to fire him. So I guess we already have a stooge, can't be hard to find another one.
I am looking at this team and other than OBJ and Eli, we may have the worst roster in the league. If not the worst, very close to it.
If anything, I think Coughlin has gotten a lot out of this shit pile collection of players. Has Coughlin made some mistakes? Absolutely and I have been right there with those on the Coughlin firing squad at times. However, when you step back and look at it, the talent simply is not there.
We are also not going to be able to fix this in one season. I also do not have any faith that Reese and his team know what they are doing at this point.
where he is stuck with a coach. Yay! A high profile job with limited ability to make major decisions.
Apparently Reese does... I keep hearing how Coughlin has a control and Reese isn't allowed to fire him. So I guess we already have a stooge, can't be hard to find another one.
Coughlin was almost fired. Reese will get the chance to hire his own guy.
I've struggled to see evidence of a well coached team this year - today or most of the season. There's a repeated lack of discipline. And TC, late in the half and game, has repeatedly made decisions that tilt probabilities against us.
RE: But David, you'll see us winning the game as some victory over me....
in some fucked up way, but that's because we all know you're too stupid to see the big picture.
That's your M.O. here.
Trust me, I'm much more of a big picture guy than you are. This is not about a personal victory over you, the fact that you think that reflects on yourself, pal. I'll stick to logic, since that pisses you off so much. What's so "big picture" about bringing back a 70 year old coach whose track record involves missed the playoffs every single season after 2011, who has made curious decisions about the depth chart and not hiring the correct coordinators?
It is mind-blowing to me that we as fans think we know these things. If that is true and the common fan knows Coughlin was almost fired and Reese has no real authority no wonder shits like Moore would do whatever the fuck they want.
I can't imagine any organization working where everyone inside and outside knows the top dog has no real power and the second in charge was almost fired recently but the general manager wasn't allowed to.
And a new coach is going to do what with this talent, exactly?
likely will get a chance to hire his own guy but that will be a big mistake. Reese has done an absolutely horrific job the last 3 years. He doesn't deserve to keep his job.
RE: And a new coach is going to do what with this talent, exactly?
And Jets? They went three quarters without scoring against a shit Redskin team and the offense could only generate 13 points against the Jets.
Well, the Jets won last night and are in the playoffs as of now, and the Redskins are beating the brakes off the Bills right now in a must win game, including beating us in a must win game.
And Jets? They went three quarters without scoring against a shit Redskin team and the offense could only generate 13 points against the Jets.
Well, the Jets won last night and are in the playoffs as of now, and the Redskins are beating the brakes off the Bills right now in a must win game, including beating us in a must win game.
So...
And the Giants had the talent to beat both the Bills and Redskins earlier in the year.
It's over. It's time to move on. Many of us are not happy that it's over as we hold Tom Coughlin in very high regard, but it's time to move on. There are no excuses anymore.
Thanks for the two Super Bowls, Tom and Jerry. It's been a fun run.
It's not clock management. It's a failure of the players to execute and that is on them and Jerry Reese
That is actually not Reese's job at all. I guess it is his job to pick the right coaches who are supposed to make these players execute though.
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and left the half down an additional 7 pts and had all 3 timeouts in their pocket.
That's coaching.
I don't follow. Do you think Coughlin should always use timeouts since you can't carry them over?
Since the Jennings fumble the panthers have skull fucked the Giants without mercy. So how do the timeouts change that?
There was no reason to rush that 3rd and 1. They had the option to use a TO there and get a much higher percentage play called. They chose not to. That's a poor coaching decision.
Get that first down and it's likely still a 7 pt game at worst.
And more dumb coaching decisions. Punting from the 40 on 4th and 1?
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Call it what you want.
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Beckham dropped the potential game winner against the Patriots. He dropped a TD at the end of the first half against the Jets.
DRC droppped a pick 6 against the Redskins.
3 of our last four losses, those two failed to make plays.
They HAVE to make plays. Yes, THEY are talented, but we need our BEST players to make plays when the rest of our team sucks.
If you think they don't work as a team when it comes to choosing talent, or think that Coughlin doesn't have any say around here then I don't know what to tell you.
What did happen so the Giants have folded since the Jennings fumble. At this point they need to regroup and find where Panthers stomped their dicks into the ground, pick them up and play football.
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ARE
NOT
MAKING
PLAYS.
Call it what you want.
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Beckham dropped the potential game winner against the Patriots. He dropped a TD at the end of the first half against the Jets.
DRC droppped a pick 6 against the Redskins.
3 of our last four losses, those two failed to make plays.
They HAVE to make plays. Yes, THEY are talented, but we need our BEST players to make plays when the rest of our team sucks.
I'm not disagreeing with you there, but what's the solution? Seems like you're blaming the star players for making dumb mistakes, which is fine, but then what's the solution?
But just like I won't blame Jerry Reese for coaching decisions, I won't blame Coughlin for personnel decisions.
Coaches coach, and GM's stock the team. Put the blame where it belongs.
Injuries play a part, too.
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It's not clock management. It's a failure of the players to execute and that is on them and Jerry Reese
That is actually not Reese's job at all. I guess it is his job to pick the right coaches who are supposed to make these players execute though.
He is the general manager. His primary responsibility is to over see talent acquisition. Talent means being able to execute. This teams has failed to execute this year on a routine basis. When the plays are there, and they are not made, it's not a coaching problem
But just like I won't blame Jerry Reese for coaching decisions, I won't blame Coughlin for personnel decisions.
Coaches coach, and GM's stock the team. Put the blame where it belongs.
Injuries play a part, too.
Clean house.
If you think they don't work as a team when it comes to choosing talent, or think that Coughlin doesn't have any say around here then I don't know what to tell you.
Yep. Do we really have people here who didn't think Spags had a hand in getting Dahl here? There's a reason the team won't take him out even though he sucks. Literally anything would be an improvement over Dahl in this game.
Lol
Good one.
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In comment 12697805 Britt in VA said:
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ARE
NOT
MAKING
PLAYS.
Call it what you want.
The plays are there to be made. They are not being made.
Today, yes, you're right, they're not making plays. However, it's not like the plays not being made are by a scrub WR and a scrub CB. It's Odell Beckham Jr. and Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
Beckham dropped the potential game winner against the Patriots. He dropped a TD at the end of the first half against the Jets.
DRC droppped a pick 6 against the Redskins.
3 of our last four losses, those two failed to make plays.
They HAVE to make plays. Yes, THEY are talented, but we need our BEST players to make plays when the rest of our team sucks.
I'm not disagreeing with you there, but what's the solution? Seems like you're blaming the star players for making dumb mistakes, which is fine, but then what's the solution?
I don't have the solution, but I can't blame Coughlin when our best players fail to execute and the rest of our team sucks.
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Talent is the problem. If they fire the coach who's job it is to help pick the talent on this team it's a mistake.
- Britt
Haha, Tom Coughlin picks that talent? Then what is Jerry Reese? A puppet?
He has input on who plays. The curious decisions to play Kuhn until the decision is taken out of his hands (injuries). It's actually a pattern that was a big reason why our OL deteriorated. A new guy was likely never going to supplant O'Hara, Diehl, or Snee.
What did happen so the Giants have folded since the Jennings fumble. At this point they need to regroup and find where Panthers stomped their dicks into the ground, pick them up and play football.
I'm not saying that they definitely would have gotten the first down. But, they had the ability, and chose not to, take a timeout and make sure they called the best possible play to make the first down.
Not doing so is a poor coaching decision whether or not the play was executed.
Well, having awful safeties will make you be very conservative with your corners. So it goes back to the talent on the team
They should either fire them both or keep them both at this point.
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Then you want the new GM to retain Coughlin? How about a general manager who actually picks a head coach?
They should either fire them both or keep them both at this point.
That's fair. In my opinion, we either make the playoffs and get past the first round, or both should be let go.
Apparently Reese does... I keep hearing how Coughlin has a control and Reese isn't allowed to fire him. So I guess we already have a stooge, can't be hard to find another one.
I am looking at this team and other than OBJ and Eli, we may have the worst roster in the league. If not the worst, very close to it.
If anything, I think Coughlin has gotten a lot out of this shit pile collection of players. Has Coughlin made some mistakes? Absolutely and I have been right there with those on the Coughlin firing squad at times. However, when you step back and look at it, the talent simply is not there.
We are also not going to be able to fix this in one season. I also do not have any faith that Reese and his team know what they are doing at this point.
I hope we win the game too. Doesn't change the way we've played to this pointn.
That's your M.O. here.
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where he is stuck with a coach. Yay! A high profile job with limited ability to make major decisions.
Apparently Reese does... I keep hearing how Coughlin has a control and Reese isn't allowed to fire him. So I guess we already have a stooge, can't be hard to find another one.
Coughlin was almost fired. Reese will get the chance to hire his own guy.
That's your M.O. here.
Trust me, I'm much more of a big picture guy than you are. This is not about a personal victory over you, the fact that you think that reflects on yourself, pal. I'll stick to logic, since that pisses you off so much. What's so "big picture" about bringing back a 70 year old coach whose track record involves missed the playoffs every single season after 2011, who has made curious decisions about the depth chart and not hiring the correct coordinators?
I can't imagine any organization working where everyone inside and outside knows the top dog has no real power and the second in charge was almost fired recently but the general manager wasn't allowed to.
it's time to move on Britt.
Funchess is big.
Ginn is fast
Olsen is good.
Our defense is horrid.
At 7-7, DRC drops wide open pick 6.
At 7-7, Jennings fumbles at midfield.
Since? 28-7.
Generate 13 points on offense, that is.
Ernie didn't hire Tom. Mara did.
Britt in VA : 3:02 pm : link : reply
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1. Coaching changes has done wonders for players plenty of times in sports.
2. A change in coaches doesn't mean there will be zero changes in talent on the team.
Collective as in Reese didn't want him and the owners said suck it up butter cup?
Well, the Jets won last night and are in the playoffs as of now, and the Redskins are beating the brakes off the Bills right now in a must win game, including beating us in a must win game.
So...
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And Jets? They went three quarters without scoring against a shit Redskin team and the offense could only generate 13 points against the Jets.
Well, the Jets won last night and are in the playoffs as of now, and the Redskins are beating the brakes off the Bills right now in a must win game, including beating us in a must win game.
So...
And the Giants had the talent to beat both the Bills and Redskins earlier in the year.
Thanks for the two Super Bowls, Tom and Jerry. It's been a fun run.