Irvin: 'Everybody' taunts Beckham Jr. with 'gay slurs'

The dears have suffered so much at the hands of the monstrous Odell Beckham.

it will continue and grow. If you ignore it and beat it with your play , it will likely fade away.

if they say "not that there's anything wrong with that" then it's not really a slur.

can we confirm if this is the case?

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In comment 12708724 pjcas18 said:

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if they say "not that there's anything wrong with that" then it's not really a slur. can we confirm if this is the case?

LOL

In comment 12708732 BrettNYG10 said:

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Haha

Catch the ball and act like a professional.

So has Aaron Rodgers

And on and on an on...

Odell learns to channel that emotion better in the future. Until he can stop letting them in his head they are going to keep taunting him. It seems to be the only way to stop him. (or at least slow him down)

Mike Piazza had to go so far as to marry and impregnate a Playboy playmate before people stopped hounding him about being gay.

sad really.

if I were Beckham I'd do the same thing just to show these people the truth.

nttawwt

it's just that guys from worse parts of the country who grew up poor, in bad areas, etc, just will call someone like Beckham a fag or gay, etc. Just how it goes.

been a pretty prevalent twitter theory for some time.

Grain of salt of course.

is threatening to end his career while holding a baseball bat followed by dirty shots to start the game. That it was an irrelevant practice squad player doing it makes it even more persuasive as if there is an agenda set by the team or by a group of guys on the team. I don't think anything would happen with the bat, but it's about the message, and given the NFL's long history of bounties, I don't know why Odell shouldn't take the threat seriously. It's not like Noman hasn't admitted to attempting to blind a WR.

It doesn't make what Beckham did okay, but I don't sympathize with the instigator either. We as a country understand adequate provocation so much that we are willing to mitigate murder. I don't see why football fans can't harbor two separate opinions with a shot in the middle of the game.

When you have to go to the likes of Irvin, Lewis, and Carter for advice. When is this shit show going to end? We're turning into the Cowboy's folks.

i think it DOES make what Beckham did OK Paul. they waved a f#cking baseball bat in his face. all bets are off at that point and anything u get u deserve.
theres things in life u just dont do and the bat in the face is one of them. f#ck football at that point

In comment 12708779 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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is threatening to end his career while holding a baseball bat followed by dirty shots to start the game. That it was an irrelevant practice squad player doing it makes it even more persuasive as if there is an agenda set by the team or by a group of guys on the team. I don't think anything would happen with the bat, but it's about the message, and given the NFL's long history of bounties, I don't know why Odell shouldn't take the threat seriously. It's not like Noman hasn't admitted to attempting to blind a WR. It doesn't make what Beckham did okay, but I don't sympathize with the instigator either. We as a country understand adequate provocation so much that we are willing to mitigate murder. I don't see why football fans can't harbor two separate opinions with a shot in the middle of the game.

This makes soooooo much sense, I'm struggling with the fact that people don't understand it. Nobody's giving OBJ a pass - but he was driven to that point, repeatedly. Whether it fits the narrative or not, his provocation does count for something.

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i think it DOES make what Beckham did OK Paul. they waved a f#cking baseball bat in his face. all bets are off at that point and anything u get u deserve. theres things in life u just dont do and the bat in the face is one of them. f#ck football at that point

Do you really think anyone was going to hit him with that bat? If that happened, you would be talking about a lifetime suspension from the NFL and a visit from law enforcement. The Panthers had that bat for a motivational prop and went overboard with their stupidity by pointing it at him. Sometimes you have to realize that NFL players are young, emotional and dumb.

letting the league turn into a WWF game for 12 year olds is not the way you protect the value of the product

but the progression of 21st century thought in developed countries has been to equalize and otherwise legislate against sexual-preference discrimination and the NFL has been making a clear effort to appeal to a much broader base in the past few years, such as women, etc. In that regard, I'm surprised that the NFL would allow this type of continued activity to continue. After all, if Beckham was being taunted for being black or called a n****r, then presumably the NFL would come down hard on the offender. Why are other slurs any different?

In comment 12708786 Tittle 9 20 64 said:

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When you have to go to the likes of Irvin, Lewis, and Carter for advice. When is this shit show going to end? We're turning into the Cowboy's folks.

Yes because the Giants have never had bad characters on their team...dear lord stop with the hlier than thou crap, the Giants have been hiring criminals and drug addicts for a long long time...


You forget Michael Boley signed with the Giants after beating his wife?

The gay slurs and taunting, swearing will eventually leave the sport as it cleans up its image perpetually.

But honestly, these guys can often be heard dropping N bombs at each other and saying a lot of trash to each other constantly. The gay slurs shouldn't bother beckham whether he is gay or not.

If beckham really wanted to turn the tables and to get into their heads he would start hitting on players between plays... Now that would be hilarious.

that shit with racial slurs in the '50s and '60s to try and get the good black players to retaliate and get themselves thrown out.

In comment 12708770 ryanmkeane said:

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it's just that guys from worse parts of the country who grew up poor, in bad areas, etc, just will call someone like Beckham a fag or gay, etc. Just how it goes.

I'm sure only the poor, downtrodden players (who are most likely millionaires if not 100-thousanaires) are the only ones taunt poor upper-middle/upper-class beckham. I bet my house on it.

In comment 12708756 Matt in SGS said:

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So has Aaron Rodgers And on and on an on...

On the field? During a game? I never remember hearing of another player having to deal with anything like what OBJ is dealing with.

it wasn't that anything would be done WITH the bat. But when an irrelevant practice squad guy who means nothing to the organization is in street clothes in Beckham's face with the bat, it sends a message that comes from more than just Norman. It wasn't that anything would be done with the bat, but I could see how it would lead to Beckham to think a little bit more on the idea that the Panthers were intent on trying to injure him-- especially with Norman's history and the history of bounties in the league.

Was it all talk? Perhaps. But I understand how it could get to Odell. Odell has to be better than what he was on Sunday, but everyone has a breaking point.

The homophobic slurs are a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

of football long before I started following the game, only then it was "Homo"

In comment 12708769 pjcas18 said:

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Mike Piazza had to go so far as to marry and impregnate a Playboy playmate before people stopped hounding him about being gay. sad really. if I were Beckham I'd do the same thing just to show these people the truth. nttawwt

Even for some it wouldn't be enough. They'd point to Bruce Jenner.

In comment 12708732 BrettNYG10 said:

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So, BBI is intolerant when it comes to shit like using gay slurs, racism, etc., except when it's directed at one our own? Then it should be not only tolerated but handled with thicker skin? Ok, got it. It's Beckhams fault. I hope all you fools remember this when the trolls come out on this site and litter it with their filth. It's all good, after all. Just deal with it and have some thick skin!

stones....

have been called a gay slur during their careers when tempers flare. That wasn't the reason he blew up on Norman, IMO it was the bullshit with the bat coupled with not getting any calls when Norman went the dirty route to start the game.

Doesn't make it ok, but I understand it. This wasn't unprovoked like Suh stomping on someone's head.

bother O'Dell is proof that he's not gay, I would think. Doesn't really matter and shouldn't. This is the NFL, players smell bad, say nasty things about your mom and make fun of your haircut. You retaliate by being the best WR in the league. That didn't happen Sunday. Maybe it will next time.

Panthers came in targeting OBJ and walked out undefeated. Brilliant strategy. Point Rivera. Let's hope Beckham grows up in a hurry because he's gonna see the same thing every week until he proves it doesn't affect his play anymore.

Me most is he dropped that pass.

Let it go folks you re over analyzing. He had a bad moment it s over.

anyone been penalized for using the N-word? Wasn't that rule passed?

In comment 12708941 DanMetroMan said:

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anyone been penalized for using the N-word? Wasn't that rule passed?

Kaepernick got penatlies for it, IIRC.

A black man using "nigga" is absolutely not the same thing as straight men throwing around gay slurs to insult and trash talk though,

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In comment 12708941 DanMetroMan said: Quote: anyone been penalized for using the N-word? Wasn't that rule passed? Kaepernick got penatlies for it, IIRC. A black man using "nigga" is absolutely not the same thing as straight men throwing around gay slurs to insult and trash talk though,

My point was more, if they make using the N-word a penalty why can't "faggot" be included in that? Why is the N-word so powerful but calling Patrick Chung a "Chink" or a suspected gay player "faggot" any different? I mean yeah I guess you need to draw a line somewhere but not sure why the N-Word is the only "really bad" word.

In comment 12708888 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 12708732 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: . So, BBI is intolerant when it comes to shit like using gay slurs, racism, etc., except when it's directed at one our own? Then it should be not only tolerated but handled with thicker skin? Ok, got it. It's Beckhams fault. I hope all you fools remember this when the trolls come out on this site and litter it with their filth. It's all good, after all. Just deal with it and have some thick skin!

Haha Good point.

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Just bc Mike Piazza knocked up a playboy model doesn't mean we all don't think he's still gay. Now, with that mess cleaned up.

It is NOT Odell's job to suss out the intent of someone threatening him while holding a baseball bat, especially after alleged threats of bodily harm to end his career. I'm having a hard time getting around the fact that the circumstances show a pretty clear textbook case of Assault when the practice squad player gets up on his face with a weapon.

They can go fuck their pre game ritual and the douche bags it's supposed to represent. I remember that punter swinging an axe in the locker room when Jack Del Rio took over. That was a motivational tool / should that be allowed on the field? What exactly is the motivation with a bat? Let's break some kneecaps? Lets fuck ourselves with the fat end? What? I just don't get it.

Next Knicks game I go to I'll be expecting Carmelo to come out of the locker room swinging a hockey skate over his head to LL Cool J's Classic "Mama Said Knock You Put" for good fortune.

In comment 12708971 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 12708954 Devon said: Quote: In comment 12708941 DanMetroMan said: Quote: anyone been penalized for using the N-word? Wasn't that rule passed? Kaepernick got penatlies for it, IIRC. A black man using "nigga" is absolutely not the same thing as straight men throwing around gay slurs to insult and trash talk though, My point was more, if they make using the N-word a penalty why can't "faggot" be included in that? Why is the N-word so powerful but calling Patrick Chung a "Chink" or a suspected gay player "faggot" any different? I mean yeah I guess you need to draw a line somewhere but not sure why the N-Word is the only "really bad" word.

Is using the n-word a penalty?
I haven't heard that before

In comment 12708888 BigBlueShock said:

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In comment 12708732 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: . So, BBI is intolerant when it comes to shit like using gay slurs, racism, etc., except when it's directed at one our own? Then it should be not only tolerated but handled with thicker skin? Ok, got it. It's Beckhams fault. I hope all you fools remember this when the trolls come out on this site and litter it with their filth. It's all good, after all. Just deal with it and have some thick skin!

Yeah, I don't think that's what Brett said exactly...

yes, it's a 15 yard penalty

due to some of his social media activity and his love for his LSU teammates like landry. also, louisana guys are cut from a different cloth. people mocked the waterboy too :)

In high school if the same player does twice they are ejected and it is a major point of emphasis now...

Cursing at the team is now a 15 yard penalty in high school

EEOC and hostile work environment rules, or do they just get a pass because no one complains?

Tell him to block it out and go about dominating this league.

Ignore them. They'll eventually stop.

Pretty sure I have heard it used quite a few times. If it is a penalty I don't see how using gay slurs could be okay.

I've always wondered what the NFL does with the cut out mic'd up bits. You just know some of those guys are saying absolutely putrid shit that we never hear.

Either way letting gay slurs bother him makes him a pussy. Letting a guy with a baseball threatening to end your career bother him, that's quite a bit more reasonable. Still not condoning what beckham did.

that what the NFL did wrt their treatment of Beckham *and* Norman et al, was directly repudiate the NBA and their treatment of Rajon Rondo.

In comment 12709100 Bill L said:

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that what the NFL did wrt their treatment of Beckham *and* Norman et al, was directly repudiate the NBA and their treatment of Rajon Rondo.

I highly doubt they have the NBA in mind in their actions, but I am suprised they havent come out with a statement against using gay slurs

In comment 12708880 Big Blue '56 said:

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of football long before I started following the game, only then it was "Homo"

There's all sorts of BS flying around before games. The bats and what OBJ has been getting went to far, rivera/norman/finnegan/bat guy targeted OBJ.
Hey he did fight back so as messed up as it all was and is I am glad he stuck up for himself. He just could have done it a LOT smarter.

In comment 12708842 Victor in CT said:

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that shit with racial slurs in the '50s and '60s to try and get the good black players to retaliate and get themselves thrown out.

Jackie Robinson.
and others.

OBJ needs to be the Jackie Robinson and work it to his advantage like all the greats do.
I want OBJ to get the CB's to get flagged.
Just play the game and kick ass and just tear it up out there,,,,this is football and it's a rough game, deal with it.
I think OBJ will learn from this. He isn't a stupid kid, emotional yes and he let his emotions get the best of him. Now he needs to turn those emotions into positives and just kick ass.
He's going to be a beast if he gets it all together and gets his game right.

PR shitshow they'd have on their hands if this happened to Michael Sam? I bet they'd be bringing the hammer down if that were the case.

In comment 12708779 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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is threatening to end his career while holding a baseball bat followed by dirty shots to start the game. That it was an irrelevant practice squad player doing it makes it even more persuasive as if there is an agenda set by the team or by a group of guys on the team. I don't think anything would happen with the bat, but it's about the message, and given the NFL's long history of bounties, I don't know why Odell shouldn't take the threat seriously. It's not like Noman hasn't admitted to attempting to blind a WR. It doesn't make what Beckham did okay, but I don't sympathize with the instigator either. We as a country understand adequate provocation so much that we are willing to mitigate murder. I don't see why football fans can't harbor two separate opinions with a shot in the middle of the game.

Nicely stated.

In comment 12709069 SwirlingEddie said:

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EEOC and hostile work environment rules, or do they just get a pass because no one complains?

,,,,you don't see two dudes on Wallstreet swinging on each other or the Guy in the neck fart cubicle throwing punches, ....sports get a pass. Fights in baseball, football, basketball and nightly in the NHL.

In comment 12708810 Matt in SGS said:

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In comment 12708789 area junc said: Quote: i think it DOES make what Beckham did OK Paul. they waved a f#cking baseball bat in his face. all bets are off at that point and anything u get u deserve. theres things in life u just dont do and the bat in the face is one of them. f#ck football at that point Do you really think anyone was going to hit him with that bat? If that happened, you would be talking about a lifetime suspension from the NFL and a visit from law enforcement. The Panthers had that bat for a motivational prop and went overboard with their stupidity by pointing it at him. Sometimes you have to realize that NFL players are young, emotional and dumb.

You're still missing the point. No one has ever said the Panthers were going to kneecap him with the bat.

The verbal threat of ending his career with the bat as a prop most likely put him on the defensive since he knows that the Panthers DBs have been known to play it dirty on the field whether its Finnegan taking cheapshots (like last season) or Norman with his admitted attempt at eye gouging. If they want to hurt him, they'll take cheapshots against him on the field, which we saw from the get go with that body slam and several other late hits that some of the posters, who were at the game have mentioned.

He fucked up by taking it way too far, but if you are going to say that he shouldn't have been on the defensive, you are naive as shit.

..can't wait to watch the postseason and teams like Arizona. I can't even stomach the thought of this Giants team anymore. And why do I think they will head into week 17 with a shot at the division? Because this season needs to extract every ounce of flesh from the Giants fan base...

Fuck this team. What a nightmare.

this shit is just noise. Beckham is insane more or less but he's not that bad. HE had a bad moment on the field. No one died. No one was hurt. No one will care 6 mths from now except the people that want to care.

It's Beckham. It's the Giants. It's gonna blow over eventually and then when the time comes we will have something else to worry about with Beckham--be it injury or contract demands or some other bullshit. For now worry not. This will all blow over once the media and talkies get bored with this subject.

Oh I forgot, we have never seen a player lose his shit on the football field due to excessive taunting and ribbing. RIGHT....

In comment 12708901 Reb8thVA said:

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stones....

Until someone body slams you and throws some late elbows and shit...words definitely don't hurt.

Just catch the ball !!!

In comment 12709071 SanFranNowNCGiantsFan said:

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Tell him to block it out and go about dominating this league. Ignore them. They'll eventually stop.

I'm not sure that it'll ever stop. As these guys are all competitors, his opponents will always try to figure out a way or even try old ways to fuck his mind up.

But as you said, it's to Odell's own benefits to learn to ignore it, no matter if it ever stops. Ignore that and dominate them to show them that he just made them his bitches.

I don't even care enough to pass judgement on Beckham or the Panthers here. To me they are both kind of wrong. But some of you are lost. You act like these players don't hear trash talk or don't hear threats or don't face the likely-hood of injury or vendettas. Lol...are you guys really that dense?

These guys face extinction every week! Every game. Every single time these WRs step on to the field the odds are some maniac wants to all but kill them. Most of the shit we don't hear about. Most of time shit stays somewhat calm or quiet but it's just like the dark city streets or back alleys--you might not see it, but it's out there.

BEckham needs to calm the fuck down and focus on two things: Helping his team win games and surviving the NFL battlefield.

Cmon guys...don't act like BEckham is the only WR to receive threats or feel threatened. It's going on all the time. We just don't know about it.

for a veteran WR that can provide some experience and advice in the WR room. It would be nice to get Cruz back in the fold and for him to take OBJ under his wing. I'm just not sure where VC is in all this?! Has he contacted his teammate? They seemed to be fairly close.

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i think it DOES make what Beckham did OK Paul. they waved a f#cking baseball bat in his face. all bets are off at that point and anything u get u deserve. theres things in life u just dont do and the bat in the face is one of them. f#ck football at that point

I agree, what was Beckham supposed to do wait until he gets hit with a bat before he responds

Could it be that stupid freakin' hair? :)

Lots of kids have that hairstyle

but how great would it be for a miracle to happen and for us to beat the Panthers on and Eli to OBJ touchdown against Norman.