In summary I feel frustrated in the outcome of the year, and at the same time I think the talent level is on the rise and the nucleus of the team is building up. We just need a defense.
Once JPP blew up his hand, we all had to feel *bad* about chances this year. Then when Behre, Jackson and Thompson ALL went down and we had no free safety the feeling worsened. And with Beason being Beason and unable to play I think we knew defense was going to be awful.
As a side effect, The team will have a lot more $ to spend in Free Agency then in recent years and I think they're going to make a serious run for a few star players this year - keep in mind they only have 6 draft picks.
I think the giants have 3 good young OL, Manning, Vereen, and OBJ on Offense as a nucleus. Harris on specials and offense is a real find, and was a great free agent signing. He really earned his contract this year. I'm actually hopeful about Hart as well. Kid didn't embarrass himself, and i think he can start in the league next year if he had to. I'm worried the giant will stay a year to long with a player like Schwartz / Beatty who at this stage of their careers the injuries may be to much.
Defense, other then DRC, I'm not really sure what we have there. I'll be optimistic about Hankins, Collins, Bromley. I also see JPP back on an incentive laden contract for at least 1 year. I'll choose to be hopeful about Owa and Kenard and somehow they are healthy next year. I'm also going to give Behre a shot. I'm worried about Prince. He's played poorly since his injury. His play has been to sporadic to award him a big $ contract.
Coaching wise I think it's a miracle this team plays this hard and has been this competitive, and at the same time, unless Coughlin really feels it's a year away I think he should retire. I would not support him being fired.
So how do you feel?
His FA are even worse, outside of DRC who is excellent (but then again we paid him to be). Accorsi used to regularly pickup players who exceed their expectations and contributes for years, like O'Hara, McKenzie, Plaxico, Kerry Collins, etc., you see none of that with Reese.
That speaks for itself i think.
Agreed.
Fuck JPP and anyone that wants to keep that asshole at some reduced price.
Fuck the strength conditioning staff for allowing Beatty to tear his pect in the off season. I have to blame someone for that. That shit doesnt just HAPPEN.
Fuck Coughlin for throwing when they shoulda run and running when they shoulda thrown. And there were many times that was the case. Absolute mental meltdown in the first 2 games, then can't get a first down that would all but end a couple other games, 3 and out.
And fuck our best player Eli for delay of game penalties, and throwing the ball out of bounds in the first game.
Merry X Mas.
I do lean towards a coaching change as play on field has shown decent effort but lesser so on production. Can't lose that many games in the end, for so many different reasons, and still not hold coaching ultimately accountable. The lack of discipline on the field (and not just Beckham) still is a head-scratcher too.
With a new coaching staff, and plenty of new starters to boot, the quick view is not a good outlook for 2016, but the NFL is a week to week marathon so you never know...
1 Pro Bowler (s/b 2 with Eli added) isn't a record to be proud of.
Reese shouldn't be able to live off 2007 forever.
Accorsi essentially built the 2007 Giants and much of the 2011 Giants' rosters.
Coughlin has done as well as he can (minus the game management) with the talent Reese has "assembled."
The teams that are consistently in the hunt seem to do a better job in FA than the G-men (Steelers, Ravens (other than this season), Patriots, Packers..
It is unusual imo for a team with the QB with the skills of Eli to be so talent-deficient elsewhere. Generally, teams with top 10 QBs contend unless the GM is not doing his job.
If the Giants are truly run like a business, Reese should not be here next season.
They are sort of plodding. I turn on other games and am impressed by the explosiveness of NFL players. I turn on the Giants and other then Beckham, I rarely see that speed, quickness and explosiveness. Or instinctiveness. They don't seem fiery, either. Sort of placid. When they're winning, that looks like cool professionalism. When they're losing, it looks like they're flat and uninspired.
They haven't discovered enough good players. Their drafting has been below-average to bad. They have made some finds in free agency, notably but not exclusively at TE (Cruz, Donnell, Tye) but not enough to outweigh the unproductive drafts. They have a very thoughtful plan to draft prospects and develop them, but most of the prospects don't develop, so their roster has been loaded with unproductive players. Their roster also seems to have a lot of admirable young men who aren't particularly good football players.
Eli (though he's still underrated, even on BBI) makes the team watchable. He wills them back into game after game after the D and his own teammates on offense fail. Four quick TDs last week. Career game against Miami. Receiver drops, fumbles, whiffs on blocks? He just keeps on coming. I don't think Giants fans will fully appreciate Eli until he's gone, and we see what the team looks like without him. He's underrated because he's not Rodgers or Brees or Brady, and he was a #1 overall pick, but he's a fierce competitor, and relentless.
Not fun watching this team.
That said, I posted a few days ago that a bad Giants football team over the past 3-4 years has seemingly fixed an intractable problem with 3 plus offensive linemen: Flowers, Pugh and Richburg.
The defense is an unmitigated disaster with serious help required at all three levels. Draft early and often for this defense; pick up one expensive FA for the defense and hope this unit heals up.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all!
Return game 100% better
Was almost enough to get us the division. You guys would be singing a different tune had we caught a couple of breaks and were 9-5 instead of 6-8 and that's all it would have taken.
Defense is next.
Return game 100% better
Was almost enough to get us the division. You guys would be singing a different tune had we caught a couple of breaks and were 9-5 instead of 6-8 and that's all it would have taken.
Defense is next.
Nah..The usual suspects who really should be bannished, will never sing a different tune..If we were 14-0 the complaint would be, "who have we beaten? Have you seen the state of the NFL East? Nothing to write home about, it's a very misleading 14-0." I wish I had MOD power..
Return game 100% better
Was almost enough to get us the division. You guys would be singing a different tune had we caught a couple of breaks and were 9-5 instead of 6-8 and that's all it would have taken.
Defense is next.
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And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
2. Prince- so, do you feel he can't fully recover from his injury during the offseason and be the Prince we all have come to love before his injury?
I said last year before the draft, that the biggest bang for the buck was to build an unstoppable offense around Beckham - because the defense was too broken to fix in one year. The Giants didn't get the WR they should have and I think they need two - plus a running game.
Now - that's where the quandry comes in. Beckham's talent gets wasted if the Giants don't invest in their offense. But how can that be justified with a defense that is last in the league? With a defense that is probably the worst Giants defense I've seen in the last half a century? A defense that has constantly amazed me throughout this season by actually keeping the scores of most games close during the first half - when talent wise there is no way most teams shouldn't score 28 points in the first half against this team.
It is my opinion that the Giants need 3 great linebackers (I've been calling for just ONE first round LB pick for 20 years now) - and 1 (preferably 2) defensive tackles. Five players with the ability to control the center of the field against both the run and pass.
But getting those five players in place likely takes 3 years during which none of the offensive support for Beckham can be filled. A real quandry.
One thing I've been through. And don't wish to see again. And that is three coaching regimes over the next 8 years. Each regime starting "fresh". Have that happen and you waste Beckham and Eli. The only "good" thing about a coaching change - and the serial changes that likely follow - is that the "quandry" I described becomes moot during a period of serial coaching changes likely the Giants of the 90's - serial coaching changes = ignoring personnel while the 6-8 year long search for the next long term coach takes precedence.
That receiver is going to the pro bowl as an alternate. Of course I speak of James Jones who would have given us the TDs and victories we needed to control our division.
It grates on me because I see the Packers from where I live and they are going to the playoffs.
I don't care that it's old news. But that one move by Coughlin cost us the playoffs before the clock mismanagement and bone head play calling and the OBJ drops and meltdown.
How could no one have started a thread or mentioned this before on BBI until just now?
You can say it until you're blue in the face. He's not going anywhere