from yesterday afternoon:
* thinks he will be a good player
* asked to play out of position, do things he is ill suited for
* not only has he been forced into an unfamiliar role, that role "changes week to week" because of the "transient nature" of the Ss on the roster
* thinks he will be fine as a SS covering TEs off the line one on one
What's wrong with that? Oh you're just Bitching just to bitch. Thanks...
I saw some posts from yesterday where people were wondering if Banks would be on and when, what he had to say. There was confusion due to J&E filling in for Francesa
Regardless of the position, he was the best player on the board at the time. Even now with his struggles, so far he's played more and has shown more of being a viable NFL player (especially if he is put into his natural SS position) than most players chosen after him.
Not sure why you are bitching other than to bitch like you normally do.
I like him and Brinkley as hard-nosed, solid players.
Get a good FS and maybe a few linebackers and the back 7 may resemble something.
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I think it's pretty much the consensus that he's playing out of position.
I saw some posts from yesterday where people were wondering if Banks would be on and when, what he had to say. There was confusion due to J&E filling in for Francesa
Oh, gotcha. More about what Banks had to say.
Meanwhile, here's a freakin crazy idea... how about play your highly drafted players in their position.
Hmm. Interesting -- didn't know that. How is the musical??
Yeah it is Coughlin's fault.
Meanwhile, here's a freakin crazy idea... how about play your highly drafted players in their position.
yeah, I was sort of thinking the same thing.
But you know, its the Giants own fault for not going into the season with a true free safety to begin with. They decided to take a chance with guys who are untested and inexperienced it backfired on them.
Sounds like de ja vu.
Yeah it is Coughlin's fault.
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Another draft choice being asked to play out of position due to poor drafting, FA acquisitions and injuries.
Yeah it is Coughlin's fault.
actually it is. Reese does not tell coughlin how to use the talent they acquire. That is the job of the head coach. Just like Reese signs Vereen for big dough and is effective when he plays yet coughlin gives his bc pal 44 about 15 wasted snaps per game.
Yup
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...as well as Richberg did this year.
Meanwhile, here's a freakin crazy idea... how about play your highly drafted players in their position.
yeah, I was sort of thinking the same thing.
But you know, its the Giants own fault for not going into the season with a true free safety to begin with. They decided to take a chance with guys who are untested and inexperienced it backfired on them.
Sounds like de ja vu.
That would be a very fair assessment if those untested players ever had a chance to get out there and perform poorly. Instead, one by one a body part fell off.
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Another draft choice being asked to play out of position due to poor drafting, FA acquisitions and injuries.
Yeah it is Coughlin's fault.
actually it is. Reese does not tell coughlin how to use the talent they acquire. That is the job of the head coach. Just like Reese signs Vereen for big dough and is effective when he plays yet coughlin gives his bc pal 44 about 15 wasted snaps per game.
plus you have cooper taylor as well
and the giants with these injuries before the season started did not have any other choice but to play collins out of position since they only could find ss as free agents in meriweather and dahl
just an opinion
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Another draft choice being asked to play out of position due to poor drafting, FA acquisitions and injuries.
Yeah it is Coughlin's fault.
actually it is. Reese does not tell coughlin how to use the talent they acquire. That is the job of the head coach.
Com'on, they're out of bodies. What's the alternative option? Play with with no FS? Look at the choices since the injuries. Can't blame the HC or even the DC when the roster doesn't have a FS on it.
Like Banks said, he can cover the TE. Collins is a down in the box safety. Look at his size. He's not going to have great COD against receivers at approx. 230lbs. Fact is, the Giants need a FS and likely another SS with Collins down in the box for the three safety set. The team needs more bodies.
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What's wrong with that? Oh you're just Bitching just to bitch. Thanks...
Its a passing league and therefore the SS is devalued.
And bitching just to bitch? Have you missed the past 3 seasons of shit football?
good point
I suppose you would defend a first round fullback too.
Too bad Carl can't line up over the TE again. He took them out at the LOS.
The choices are Dahl, Cooper and Meriweather.
TC was left with no one...
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before the 74th pick according to the "Book of Morons"
I suppose you would defend a first round fullback too.
I don't know. Normally, no, but what if I'm picking 25th and John Riggins is there?
But whatever fits the narrative. Gotta blame someone.
Improve the talent on the defense and Collins will thrive. You can see the guy can clearly play. He covers a lot of ground out there and hits like a truck.
+1
Like last offseason, safety first. They have a lot of kids trying for the spot yet they got injured. Not one can be trusted b/c have proven anything.
Safety and MLB are must upgrades IMO. Of course, we have depth issue on the DL. What a mess
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If the Giants had a good SS and no good FS, I could see playing that guy and putting Collins at FS to strengthen 2 positions. But they didn't have a good SS. They should have put Collins at SS and stuck some JAG in a FS, to at least strengthen SS. Instead, they weaken both spots and slow down Collins' development by a year.
The choices are Dahl, Cooper and Meriweather.
Dahl and Meriweather weren't on the team at the start of the year. If Collins was at SS, the Giants could have picked up a couple of mediocre FSs midyear instead of those guys.
They're changing the responsibilities for all four hoping one of them can cover. It likely why Spags loves Dahl. Dahl is likely the only one who can cover anybody. Collins couldn't cover anybody in college that wasn't in front of him, Meriweather has never had a clue in coverage and no idea what to think of our 6'4, 228lb Cooper Taylor.
It's actually funny it's so sad lol
1. He is learning a very complex system vs what he had in College. So, he is thinking A LOT before he reacts. Therefore, you are seeing slow reactions on pass plays.
2. The system and the communication within our defensive system is not working. When you see veterans playing out of position and also talking about communication, then you know we have a problem. So, I am not surprised that a rookie is also struggling with this.
Remember when Corey Webster was drafted. After his first year, he looked like a complete bust. However, we fired our DC after that season. Then, it all changed and he started to play much better.
Think the biggest need is pass rusher(s) but your right a free safety would be huge and fix two spots.
You have Hankins, Collins and DRC on D, an oft injured Kennard, a decent, if not solid back up in Brinkley (if they resign him) and a nice DT in Bromley. That's your defense in a nutshell, until they sign or re-sign some guys. Many holes to fill!
This times 10
2) He was not drafted to play FS. Necessity forced him to play a lot of different roles. As a SS, with a pure FS next to him, he should be a very good player.
3) Can we please stop with the Coughlin playing guys because they are from BC or Syracuse? First, those calls are more likely made by Spags and McAdoo. Second, Williams was considered a steal of the draft last year by many "experts". He showed some signs late in the season last year, which is why he got so much attention early this season. The rest, I put on McAdoo. I love his system. I hate his gameplans, playcalling, and personnel decisions.
Yes we needed a FS also, but at the time we had Berhe, and Jackson. Collins was clearly the BPA and the selection.
Eric Berry is also a SS.
Phillips and Collins would of been a hell of combo in the secondary..
FS along with MLB and a Defensive End have to be at the top of the needs..
I like him and Brinkley as hard-nosed, solid players.
I agree 100% with Randy
he's excellent in the Box, we needed two safetys, Antrelle was done, Collins attacks the line of scrimmage
he's going to be a pro bowler at SS
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lol - whose board? Mel Kiper and friends? If Collins demonstrated coverage skills in college he would have been a top 10 pick. He wasn't even in television view during Iron Bowl with Auburn throwing every pass down the middle of the field. It was an Auburn receiver and grass with sight of Collins anywhere. Com'on, I like the guy but he slipped for a huge reason.
same thing they did with Antrell Rolle for the last couple years of his tenure
It's like the Giants can't be trusted to draft BPA.
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would change the entire defense.
Eric Berry is also a SS.
and he would stay there with Collins coming down low with a new FS for a 3 safety set is what I'm thinking.
Both had to play a lot as CFs their 1st year. Neither is particularly suited for the role. They will create turnovers, but it will be about separating people from the ball, not ints.
Pryor, now being used properly, has demonstrated conclusively in his 2nd year that he is the player the Jets drafted after being somewhat of a disappointment his rookie year.
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Collins was commonly projected in the first round. It was a gift from the gods that he was on the board at the top of the 2nd. If we didn't pounce he wouldn't have lasted 3 selections.
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lol - whose board? Mel Kiper and friends? If Collins demonstrated coverage skills in college he would have been a top 10 pick. He wasn't even in television view during Iron Bowl with Auburn throwing every pass down the middle of the field. It was an Auburn receiver and grass with sight of Collins anywhere. Com'on, I like the guy but he slipped for a huge reason.
Yes, he slipped from the 15 range to the first pick of the 2nd.
Kiper was far from the only one projecting him in the first. I don't even follow Kiper.
In a draft year almost universally considered to be one of the worst talent pools in the last ten drafts.
And in that draft year we appear to have gotten a potential tremendous OL tackle ( playing out of position, injured and next too guys new to their positions) and a better than average defensive player and a second TE from the undrafted pool and the rest are unproven yet.
With the talent and injury pool available its hard to isolate any defensive player this year and not expect things that look like mistakes but might be breakdowns.
In sum....we dont know yet....but harping on 33rd in the draft as a relevant insight is ???
So as usual, evaluating the draft of 2015 requires:
1) More time to come to a conclusion
2) Context
Meanwhile we can evaluate prior drafts and draftees
Recent drafts appear better. But some of the prior ones which should enable us to field a team with some depth appear to have yielded less than average results.
To me Collins is the among the least of our concerns and might yet even be a good player to have in the future
I think that would be a good set up for many of the quick drop passing attacks we see in the NFL
That and better LBs. and another DT to push the middle may be what gives us a shot against running and the latest wrinkles in three step passing ( which can negate all the money we used to tie up in DE)
Where did he flash exactly? Cause I sure as hell didn't see it. I read about it all day in training camp reports just like I read a bunch of crap in those reports that never translate to game action
Anyway, Collins is hardly the first thing I'd fix on our worst in the NFL defense. There is zero pass rush and zero talent at linebacker. I actually think our defensive backfield would be pretty good but for the injuries and total failure to have any talent at linebacker and mostly role players and subs playing along the d line.
Question for Banks, if Collins can cover TEs than why was this a problem in every game we played this year?