Sullivan: "Change is coming."

there is no way the Mara's can not sit back and just fire a coordinator or a scout, it is time to clean house...

Even if the Giants come out and blow out the Eagles, nothing can save Coughlin or Reese's job for that matter at least in my opinion..

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Good article.

Can you imagine being the one who has to look Tom Coughlin in the eye and tell him its over? A guy like that? I don't envy that person.

fall on your sword, and go out gracefully talk seems to be centred on Tom Coughlin. What about Reese and Ross doing the right thing and handing in their notice? It's very off that TC takes all the blame.

they go about this with a scalpel and a sledgehammer as it would be a shame to waste the last two years of rebuilding/transitioning.

You've been drafting and developing players around this new offensive system. Now you clean house, new system, now you have to acquire players with that fit the new system. By the time that's some what complete, your QB is 37 at best.

In that it was all TC and not the true villain, JR.

The Teflon Bum will remain as the GM.

In comment 12721243 adcliff said:

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fall on your sword, and go out gracefully talk seems to be centred on Tom Coughlin. What about Reese and Ross doing the right thing and handing in their notice? It's very off that TC takes all the blame.

100% right

TC is hardly blameless this season, but the Front office is about 75-80% responsible for the mess, and they need to go...Too many blown drafts

too many fans, going into this season, drank the Kool-aid, this is not a talented roster, and that falls on the front office

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You've been drafting and developing players around this new offensive system. Now you clean house, new system, now you have to acquire players with that fit the new system. By the time that's some what complete, your QB is 37 at best.

That 's the problem. The QB is going to be 35. He was just resigned and it's not like his replacement is sitting there for the taking.

In comment 12721249 Gutless Puke said:

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The Teflon Bum will remain as the GM.

Reese reminds me of someone else in a very high position, going a shitty job, and he gets a pass far too many times also.. plays a lot of Golf, this guy...

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In comment 12721246 TomTom said: Quote: You've been drafting and developing players around this new offensive system. Now you clean house, new system, now you have to acquire players with that fit the new system. By the time that's some what complete, your QB is 37 at best. That 's the problem. The QB is going to be 35. He was just resigned and it's not like his replacement is sitting there for the taking.

a new coach might also elect to keep Mc Adoo, if thats what ownership wants and also your HOF QB wants... there are no set rules here amymore

In comment 12721249 Gutless Puke said:

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The Teflon Bum will remain as the GM.

Youuu soooound familiarrrrrr

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In comment 12721249 Gutless Puke said: Quote: The Teflon Bum will remain as the GM. Reese reminds me of someone else in a very high position, going a shitty job, and he gets a pass far too many times also.. plays a lot of Golf, this guy...

Very clever political post

and that head coach may keep Mcadoo...

OR they hire a defensive minded coach and that coach elects to keep Mcadoo and let him have full control of the offense..

How often does a HC not pick his coordinators? Well, lol, besides Tom lately lol?

if Mara announced Tom was getting a three year extension...

The Front Office should have been the ones sweating. Back in 2014, Mara gave them the green light to spend $133 million!

What did we get?

DRC, Geoff Schwartz, John Jerry,J.D. Walton, Mario Manningham, Walter Thurmond, O’Brian Schofield, Quintin Demps, and Jameel McCain.

Other than DRC, that's pretty much a list of JAG's, and the major reason why Tom is going to be fired.

$133 million...and now we're all salivating about having $50 (before JPP and Prince). Sigh...

I'm curious about your board name. What is the inspiration?

In comment 12721273 AP in Halfmoon said:

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In comment 12721258 Paulie Walnuts said: Quote: In comment 12721249 Gutless Puke said: Quote: The Teflon Bum will remain as the GM. Reese reminds me of someone else in a very high position, going a shitty job, and he gets a pass far too many times also.. plays a lot of Golf, this guy... Very clever political post

also very true

In comment 12721273 AP in Halfmoon said:

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In comment 12721258 Paulie Walnuts said: Quote: In comment 12721249 Gutless Puke said: Quote: The Teflon Bum will remain as the GM. Reese reminds me of someone else in a very high position, going a shitty job, and he gets a pass far too many times also.. plays a lot of Golf, this guy... Very clever political post

Yeah, but i think the Giants have better choices for a replacement :)

as I posted elsewhere, I remain bothered by the lack of effort and passion after a bye week and a key divisional game against Washington. That's on the the coach with cumulative affects from other coaching mis-steps this season making the decision easy.

Maybe Jacksonville will take him back which would be a good thing. A Dallas friend of mine said he hoped Jerrah would retain Tom as a NFCE consultant to focus exclusively on how to beat the division. That would be bad. Regardless, Tom must go and the bulls-eye is squarely on Reese.

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In comment 12721249 Gutless Puke said: Quote: The Teflon Bum will remain as the GM. Reese reminds me of someone else in a very high position, going a shitty job, and he gets a pass far too many times also.. plays a lot of Golf, this guy...

You are gonna blow his cover :p

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and that head coach may keep Mcadoo... OR they hire a defensive minded coach and that coach elects to keep Mcadoo and let him have full control of the offense..

Or McAdoo can bail and head back to Green Bay (although I'm not sure of his contract situation in that scenario). There is definite risk here that people just gloss over like it's nothing...they're already in a rebuilding process that hasn't been completed.

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if Mara announced Tom was getting a three year extension... The Front Office should have been the ones sweating. Back in 2014, Mara gave them the green light to spend $133 million! What did we get? DRC, Geoff Schwartz, John Jerry,J.D. Walton, Mario Manningham, Walter Thurmond, O’Brian Schofield, Quintin Demps, and Jameel McCain. Other than DRC, that's pretty much a list of JAG's, and the major reason why Tom is going to be fired. $133 million...and now we're all salivating about having $50 (before JPP and Prince). Sigh...

They spent $133 million on this pile of hot steaming shit??!!

Now Tara Sullivan has got sources?

organizational enema that Eric so eloquently put it

We're frequently on conference calls, evaluating personnel, results, etc.

The source was probably the mail boy.

Great clues on the 'like.....'.
Sad to see it end this way for TC.
Yes, he's made blunders,even a lot for you haters, but, as I have said before and say again, I think JR has NOT given TC the type or skill set player for what TC wanted to do for Several Years: Giants football(TCs own words, and we know what that means).
TC wants em big, strong, and tough; JR gives him small(Hosley!), weak(long list), and chipped glass(longer list).
If JR gives his HC the player he's given TC, and the injuries dont subside, his guy will go 4-12 2 years in a row, OBJ will be gone, and people will be begging for TC.
For the greater good I hope I'm extremely wrong on the negativism in my 4-12 point.

not cap space. Don't get that confused. I wonder what the percentage of those contracts actually go paid.

candy lovin chief scout who is about 90yrs old should be out too.

I thank Tom and Jerry for the two Super Bowl wins but its time. One bad play and team confidence is destroyed, too many no shows in big games the last few years and those I put on the coaching staff.

The teams overall speed and skill is lacking and that is on the front office. Anyone watching CIN vs DEN game last night, could see the gap between the Giants defense and those defenses is massive.

but given the likelihood it is correct anyway, THAT was a well written article.

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Great clues on the 'like.....'. Sad to see it end this way for TC. Yes, he's made blunders,even a lot for you haters, but, as I have said before and say again, I think JR has NOT given TC the type or skill set player for what TC wanted to do for Several Years: Giants football(TCs own words, and we know what that means). TC wants em big, strong, and tough; JR gives him small(Hosley!), weak(long list), and chipped glass(longer list). If JR gives his HC the player he's given TC, and the injuries dont subside, his guy will go 4-12 2 years in a row, OBJ will be gone, and people will be begging for TC. For the greater good I hope I'm extremely wrong on the negativism in my 4-12 point.

I'm also an old guy, and its true

is not HC material. I would like Cowher, and keep McAdoo.

He hasn't coached in a decade

Or fire neither. No half-measures, please.

Was going to say the same thing re:Cin-Den game.
We have OBJ, and maybe DRC, for 'speed'.
Both those teams, especially Denver, have 1/2 dozen guys on O and 1/2 dozen guys on D that are their OBJ, speedwise.
When we played Carolina, KEUCHLY was stride for stride with OBJ on one moderate deep pass, and I yelled at the tv what I have for about 20 years: Our guys are so slow, we can't compete in todays NFL.
Especially todays NFL.

You might be bothered by the lack of effort against Washington- I don't see it that way. I see a Redskin team that is perhaps better than NY- better defense anyways...an offense that is playing well enough to win- a team that didn't execute early- dropped INT, richochet INT's...has nothing to do with not preparing a team to play.

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is not HC material. I would like Cowher, and keep McAdoo.

Based on what?

who tf is Tara Sullivan that we should all know who tf "Sullivan" is??

I couldn't care less what some dingy broad thinks.

"We try like heck not to put these young men in a position where they feel badly about the circumstances that the head coach finds himself in.”

The end is near and nothing will prevent it from taking place.

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My god- now it's the cowher for HC.
Earlier Pioli for GM.
Get Pioli & cowher - SB book it...SMDH...

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They can't have everyone go. First of all, it would mean both Tisch and Mara agreeing to sell their separate shares, which I don't see happening. Second of all, it would kill the cap to let Eli go after they just signed him to a big deal. Third of all, it's too soon to give up on OBJ.

I think they need to pick and choose who should stay and who should go.

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who tf is Tara Sullivan that we should all know who tf "Sullivan" is?? I couldn't care less what some dingy broad thinks.

She's been a beat writer for Bergen Record for years. Pipe down. Why would Mike Sullivan, who hasn't worked here for years, know anything?

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Reese reminds me of someone else in a very high position, going a shitty job, and he gets a pass far too many times also.. plays a lot of Golf, this guy...

I didn't realize John Mara played a lot of golf.

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who tf is Tara Sullivan that we should all know who tf "Sullivan" is?? I couldn't care less what some dingy broad thinks.

Lol you must be new

TC and his staff, Reese and his staff, Barnes and his staff must go.

Of course, a lot of players must go too but the list is too long to type.

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You've been drafting and developing players around this new offensive system. Now you clean house, new system, now you have to acquire players with that fit the new system. By the time that's some what complete, your QB is 37 at best.

Nonsense. A lot of teams have made immediate successful changes. Good coaches have a core philosophy but must always adjust their systemic preferences to what they have.

This team doesn't even have enough talent to portend what you indicate as a real stumbling block. It needs another solid OL, a number 2 WR and a TE. It's not like we are tossing aside Mark Bavaro and Jumbo Elliot on offense. Beckham and Eli can excel with any new coordinator.

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"We try like heck not to put these young men in a position where they feel badly about the circumstances that the head coach finds himself in.” The end is near and nothing will prevent it from taking place.

He knows it's over.

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In comment 12721457 GeorgeAdams33 said: Quote: who tf is Tara Sullivan that we should all know who tf "Sullivan" is?? I couldn't care less what some dingy broad thinks. She's been a beat writer for Bergen Record for years. Pipe down. Why would Mike Sullivan, who hasn't worked here for years, know anything?

Mike Sullivan is the current QB coach...

Team went 11-5 in 2005. TC's own record undermines the argument for retaining McAdoo due to system familiarity.

system simple enough for Randle to understand. Move on

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who tf is Tara Sullivan that we should all know who tf "Sullivan" is?? I couldn't care less what some dingy broad thinks.

Hey...the 50's called and said that you may want to move on.

like others have said, the Giants draft and sign FA as an organization, one which TC is very much a part of. Ultimately JR is responsible. Don't most here think that the last three drafts have been solid??? It seems to me they have been drafting well the last few years. Can we really say that the coaching has been on the uptick the last 3-4 years? I think the OC change worked - was that TCs doing or was he forced into making that change? Reese is as much responsible for the coaching as he is for the players. And again, if TC gets fired, it's not just Reese who will be making that call exclusively, right, wrong or indifferent.

IMO, coaching has been the bigger issue this year. Blowing 2 or 3 games late might be understandable, but 5 or 6? Also, this team has been at the top of the IR list since TC has been coach. It's time for a change!

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like others have said, the Giants draft and sign FA as an organization, one which TC is very much a part of. Ultimately JR is responsible. Don't most here think that the last three drafts have been solid??? It seems to me they have been drafting well the last few years. Can we really say that the coaching has been on the uptick the last 3-4 years? I think the OC change worked - was that TCs doing or was he forced into making that change? Reese is as much responsible for the coaching as he is for the players. And again, if TC gets fired, it's not just Reese who will be making that call exclusively, right, wrong or indifferent. IMO, coaching has been the bigger issue this year. Blowing 2 or 3 games late might be understandable, but 5 or 6? Also, this team has been at the top of the IR list since TC has been coach. It's time for a change!

"Ultimately JR is responsible."

So it appears to me you do get it.

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like others have said, the Giants draft and sign FA as an organization, one which TC is very much a part of. Ultimately JR is responsible. Don't most here think that the last three drafts have been solid??? It seems to me they have been drafting well the last few years. Can we really say that the coaching has been on the uptick the last 3-4 years? I think the OC change worked - was that TCs doing or was he forced into making that change? Reese is as much responsible for the coaching as he is for the players. And again, if TC gets fired, it's not just Reese who will be making that call exclusively, right, wrong or indifferent. IMO, coaching has been the bigger issue this year. Blowing 2 or 3 games late might be understandable, but 5 or 6? Also, this team has been at the top of the IR list since TC has been coach. It's time for a change!

actually the drafts have been typical. Good 1st round, hit or miss 2nd round, nothing from the 3rd round down. Maybe, just Maybe Hart changes that somewhat

Mara said he felt like firing everyone. Let's hope he feels that way after the Vikes game.

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if Mara announced Tom was getting a three year extension... The Front Office should have been the ones sweating. Back in 2014, Mara gave them the green light to spend $133 million! What did we get? DRC, Geoff Schwartz, John Jerry,J.D. Walton, Mario Manningham, Walter Thurmond, O’Brian Schofield, Quintin Demps, and Jameel McCain. Other than DRC, that's pretty much a list of JAG's, and the major reason why Tom is going to be fired. $133 million...and now we're all salivating about having $50 (before JPP and Prince). Sigh...

You do realize that amount is for the players entire contract? And it is not guaranteed? And that the list above is not complete? You omitted Jennings and I believe Schofied's contract was voided after he failed a physical.You also, left out that not all the $133 million was spent.

Not defending the choices. You make a valid point but not all your fact are present or complete.
The article clearly states "With $108.6 million spent so far" and that includes the voided contract of Schofield.

did Reese hire TC? And what, exactly, is TC responsible for??? Again, go look at what Dallas, Washington and Philly have done in there drafts over the last 10 years - ya think they have missed on half??? How about trade ups for QBs? Look at what Washington gave up for Griffen. If the expectation is that the new GM hits on 4 or 5 out of every seven picks each year, he WILL fail. This team needs better coaching.

"Fall guy" in this. Reese should be as well. I'm not the person to say fire everyone everything, but two changes start at the head positions hc and gm. New voices, new ears, new view. It's a shame that they started the process of going after the assistants, which makes it more of mess.

they are getting to work on whatever changes they plan to make, now.

In the past it seemed they'd say that they didn't want to make a decision right after the end of a disappointing season.

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In comment 12721249 Gutless Puke said: Quote: The Teflon Bum will remain as the GM. Reese reminds me of someone else in a very high position, going a shitty job, and he gets a pass far too many times also.. plays a lot of Golf, this guy...

The difference with the guy you are talking about, everyone in the building with him where they have their "board meetings" suck as much/worse. Well, actually never mind... I guess there really isn't a difference.

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Team went 11-5 in 2005. TC's own record undermines the argument for retaining McAdoo due to system familiarity.

Is your comparison even close to fair?
In 2004, when TC took over, they drafted Eli and started putting in Gilbride's offensive system.

In 2016, Eli will be 35, having played his best under McAdoo's system in '15 over the course of his entire NFL career.

Surely, you would agree circumstances are different considering a 22 year old rookie vs. a 35 year old QB playing at the top of his career...no?

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who tf is Tara Sullivan that we should all know who tf "Sullivan" is?? I couldn't care less what some dingy broad thinks.

..and what makes you think she is "some dingy broad"?

I mean besides sexism.

The Giants have structured this front office based on 35 years of build up and tutelage. First came George young then came accorsi then came Reese. Young had bad stretches so did accorsi ( how soon we forget, everyone on BBI hated this guy now he's everyone's nostalgic favorite) and Reese has struggled but there were also mitigating circumstances. The team got old and injury decimated all at once. Even if you don't believe that despite plenty of concrete evidence the Giants are not going to fire Reese based on the last few years just like they were gonna shit can accorsi, everyone's darling, based on 1998-2003 which was no picnic.

The Giants will likely remove coughlin and maybe Ross is in trouble but the overall infrastructure will remain as is with maybe some shake up. For those that want house cleaning go check out the franchises that clean house every 3-4 years and get back to me with the end results. Even if you think it's the right move just stop saying the same stupid shit on every thread. It's not going to happen. The Giants and steelers and Ravens don't operate like that. And that's why they usually find their way eventually.

That were imploring the Giants to shit can accorsi after the 1999 season. Then again after the 2001 season. Again after 03 when everyone here convicted themselves that poor old fassel was just the victim of ernie's shortcomings and OL neglect. How'd that turn out?

You know who you are. There are names on this very thread that crucified accorsi on a daily basis. Then coughlin came along in 04 and the fresh voice and style helped things cook again here-- with the same accorsi.

Whether you like it or not Reese isn't getting fired. Hope they nail this HC hire and accept it.

but when they are linked to politics and sexism it just reaches a whole new level of, not stupid, but TOTAL FUCKING ASSHOLE!

Agree with adcliff, Reese and Ross should both resign if not fired for the pathetic job both have done in putting together this roster. They, effectively, doomed Coughlin so if he goes, and it looks like that is pretty much fait de complis, they should both go too.

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That were imploring the Giants to shit can accorsi after the 1999 season. Then again after the 2001 season. Again after 03 when everyone here convicted themselves that poor old fassel was just the victim of ernie's shortcomings and OL neglect. How'd that turn out? You know who you are. There are names on this very thread that crucified accorsi on a daily basis. Then coughlin came along in 04 and the fresh voice and style helped things cook again here-- with the same accorsi. Whether you like it or not Reese isn't getting fired. Hope they nail this HC hire and accept it.

I will raise my hand here and admit that I was not an Acorsi fan. There were two things that I did not like...

1. He basically tried to turn us into an AFC "finesse" style team vs what we as Giants fans were used to.
2. I did not like the way he managed the draft. He traded up to get guys that were shit or that he did not have to trade up to get. I also did not like how he managed the Eli trade. Not that he should not have gone after Eli. I just think he did not have to give up so much and we could have traded down from our 4th spot and still grabbed Eli.

That being said, I would take Acorsi back over Reese in a second.

and leave on his own....

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In comment 12721383 HoustonGiant said: Quote: is not HC material. I would like Cowher, and keep McAdoo. Based on what?

God I hope they don't hire Cowher, he hasn't coached in a very long time and wasn't all that impressive when he did coach, same goes for John Gruden