Raanan: Most realistic scenarios for TC and the Giants

but it sounds like the job is a lifetime appointment the way Raanan references Giants ownership.

I read they have never fired a GM.

And get a defense oriented HC who will work on the defense.

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The thinking inside the organization is that they could've won at least a few more games if he was on top of his game.

Tom wasn't on top of his game this season. The playoffs were an attainable goal given the state of the division. It wasn't going to be easy but it was achievable. Furthermore the areas he struggled in could be a result of the ravages of time in which case you don't expect they will improve in the future.

Who are the top DCs and/or defensive-minded HCs or former HCs available?

lived through the 60 and 70's , dont want that again
this sucks

1 year too late but it's time.

I believe this is very much like Drafting a Player---get the Best Available...forget the specific Offense/Defense thing.

The HC runs the program...Coaches the Coaches.... sets standards and makes the big calls. Get a guy who will do that...forget the Offensive Genius/Defensive Genius thing. Hiring a HC is a "Long Game"

There are not too many huge stars there aside from Luke, davis, charles johnson and norman who is getting credit while having good safety help. Though how funny would it be if Norman came here in FA?

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but it sounds like the job is a lifetime appointment the way Raanan references Giants ownership. I read they have never fired a GM.

Actually they have, albeit reluctantly..Wellington fired himself, fired Robustelli(or whatever the semantics were), McVay(?)...

and Raanan to move on

McAdoo has been an utter disaster when OBJ has not been on the field. People act like this guy has achieved something by improving Eli's completion percentage. So fucking what? Eli won two Super Bowls with Gilbride and now all of the sudden Eli's been "fixed" by McAdoo?

The only person who "fixed" Eli is OBJ.

Get rid of TC? Fine with me, but perpetuate this shit show by hiring a HC based on the ridiculous notion that McAdoo is some kind of Bill Belichick is waiting.

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In comment 12723880 pjcas18 said: Quote: but it sounds like the job is a lifetime appointment the way Raanan references Giants ownership. I read they have never fired a GM. Actually they have, albeit reluctantly..Wellington fired himself, fired Robustelli(or whatever the semantics were), McVay(?)...

yeah, you're right, Robustelli was fired after the fumble.

I'll need to find that tweet, and see who wrote it, it's clearly wrong.

or maybe it was just the Giants haven't fired a GM in over 30 years.

this tells me this organization is in deep trouble. To keep Reese and his incompetent ways just reminds me of the 1970s.

If this happens, we are in deep trouble.

In comment 12723898 Paulie Walnuts said:

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lived through the 60 and 70's , dont want that again this sucks

Agree 100%

In comment 12723919 trueblueinpw said:

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McAdoo has been an utter disaster when OBJ has not been on the field. People act like this guy has achieved something by improving Eli's completion percentage. So fucking what? Eli won two Super Bowls with Gilbride and now all of the sudden Eli's been "fixed" by McAdoo? The only person who "fixed" Eli is OBJ. Get rid of TC? Fine with me, but perpetuate this shit show by hiring a HC based on the ridiculous notion that McAdoo is some kind of Bill Belichick is waiting.

What did you expect without Beckham? the greatest show on turf?

a busted OL, Rueben Randle, an injured (and really a STer) Dwayne Harris, Myles White, Will Tye, Ben Edwards and a collection of JAG or worse running backs.

You put that on McAdoo?

I'm not saying he's anything special, but I also don't blame him for the lack of production without the teams best two WR's, best two TE's two highest priced OL, and the RBBC they have.

as I did with Wellington Mara running things weather or not he had the title back in the 60s and 70s. The Giants will not have a championship quality roster until Reese is gone.

At the start of the season, I thought Coughlin's message to the team was very telling, "This is it". I think he knew ownership could not protect him from another losing season.
Coach Coughlin’s message to team: "This is it." - ( New Window )

Yes, he looks as though he lost a step or two, but to say Reese is safe is disgraceful. The entire roster is littered with garbage he selected. How there is not at least a debate about this stooge is almost unbelievable.

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In comment 12723898 Paulie Walnuts said: Quote: lived through the 60 and 70's , dont want that again this sucks Agree 100%

So missing the playoffs 4 straight years and three straight losing seasons and missing the playoffs 6 out of the last 8 years isnt enough?

Change has to come. Keeping Coughlin only has delayed the process a whole year already..

...I like his comment in the last scenario in that getting rid of Ross isn't a cure all.

Similar to how their isn't one area on the roster that needs to be fixed, there isn't one person from a management perspective that is at fault. TC has had his challenges, JR's FA moves have bombed, as well as Ross's player evaluation and draft decisions.

In comment 12723880 pjcas18 said:

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but it sounds like the job is a lifetime appointment the way Raanan references Giants ownership. I read they have never fired a GM.

Sad. I am for firing Reese. I think that the overall talent level on this team is in the bottom third of the league. That's on the GM. Coughlin can only coach what he is given.

needs to have a vision to architect a team identity. The Giants identity when TC started was to be disciplined and well coached. I haven't seen those traits in a while so a new coach needs to have a vision of what the Giants will be good at. Just because someone was a good OC or DC may not satisfy this requirement. I can't think of anyone who does.

Giants have reached a crossroads like this with solely the 2nd generation in charge. How much input, and what does he truly think? Will he make a stink, or will he defer to John Mara completely as Bob Tisch did Wellington re football decisions?

Clean house. Start fresh, top to bottom.

is just foolish, IMO. One, he's a top-rated quarterback. He simply needs and should be expected to adjust if he's worth his salt. Two, he has 4 years on his contract. It's highly unlikely he continues on after that (though considering his ability to avoid injury, he just might). The point is, he has a finite time left. His window is very short.

I don't think McAdoo is ready. He's given no indication he is ready. Don't hire McAdoo simply because Eli wants him or because Eli would have to learn another playbook.

appointment? They haven't fired a GM post Andy Robustelli because they have been successful for the most part. They have not been in a situation where the roster was in shambles or had a long stretch of playoff-less, losing seasons since the late '70s.

Remember when he couldn't get the red challenge flag out of his sock? There were signs....

Has made it clear that he will get a big say in the matter and the process. John Mara doesn't have unilateral decision making authority.

Reese has been Mara's first GM since He took over from his Dad(EA was his dad's appt.).If you think John is the carbon copy of his dad, then yes, it could be a long while before we see the next GM..

I think there are differences between the two, so do we really know what JM will do? 2 SBs are 2 SBs..Not easy to predict. At least for me

The Franchise is really at a crossroads, and a difficult one at that. McAdoo might be HC material with another year. I'd like to see if he can handle more responsibility....perhaps Asst HC ?? Give Tom one more year as a transition period ??

Reese is most likely not going anywhere. But how 'bout a major shakeup of the Scouting Dept.
Ross -- out. Chris Mara -- reduced role. I think the Fanbase would understand where the root cause of the problem lies.

In comment 12723919 trueblueinpw said:

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McAdoo has been an utter disaster when OBJ has not been on the field. People act like this guy has achieved something by improving Eli's completion percentage. So fucking what? Eli won two Super Bowls with Gilbride and now all of the sudden Eli's been "fixed" by McAdoo? The only person who "fixed" Eli is OBJ. Get rid of TC? Fine with me, but perpetuate this shit show by hiring a HC based on the ridiculous notion that McAdoo is some kind of Bill Belichick is waiting.

I agree. Eli's "improvement" is a function of Odell Beckham Jr, a (slowly improving but not nearly good enough) offensive line, and the nature of the WCO being a stat-compiling offense. I don't see anything special in McAdoo, certainly not enough to be a "HC in waiting". He's easily replaceable.

does not belong in the front office. I hope Tisch pushes to have his role be outside of any personnel related decisions.

In identifying prospects up close as the head of scouting. He has no business constructing a roster, and our pro personnel decisions have been abysmal since Gettleman left. Don't fire Reese, fire Ross and put Reese back in as the head of scouting. If Reese isn't in the weeds on prospects, his judgement is reliant on Ross and his team's reports and grades. We drafted 2 super bowl winning rosters with JR as the head of scouting with a real GM in place, and we chunked that system. It doesn't work, change it.

If you won't demote Reese, get Jeremiah Davis promoted as the head of scouting and chuck Ross. It's Ross' grades that guide the draft and he has been awful at it in his time here. When Reese moved upstairs and Ross took his spot, it all started going down hill, yet Tom COughlin gets his head lopped off for winning 6 games with a shit roster.

In comment 12724053 Joey in VA said:

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In identifying prospects up close as the head of scouting. He has no business constructing a roster, and our pro personnel decisions have been abysmal since Gettleman left. Don't fire Reese, fire Ross and put Reese back in as the head of scouting. If Reese isn't in the weeds on prospects, his judgement is reliant on Ross and his team's reports and grades. We drafted 2 super bowl winning rosters with JR as the head of scouting with a real GM in place, and we chunked that system. It doesn't work, change it. If you won't demote Reese, get Jeremiah Davis promoted as the head of scouting and chuck Ross. It's Ross' grades that guide the draft and he has been awful at it in his time here. When Reese moved upstairs and Ross took his spot, it all started going down hill, yet Tom COughlin gets his head lopped off for winning 6 games with a shit roster.

Question is, would Reese accept a demotion? I'd guess there would be some teams looking for a reasonably young, two-time winning GM to head their roster, no?

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Joey in VA : 12:13 pm- Reese has talent in identifying prospects up close as the head of scouting. Our pro personnel decisions have been abysmal since Gettleman left. Don't fire Reese, fire Ross and put Reese back in as the head of scouting.

This is the ideal solution then hire someone with a knack for building the roster. It's not always about individual pieces but how they fit together. IMO Reese struggles with this aspect of his current job.

I do not want McAdoo to be gone, mostly due to Eli's age.

In comment 12723898 Paulie Walnuts said:

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lived through the 60 and 70's , dont want that again this sucks

A sentiment widely shared by those of us old enough to remember -- and it does have that feel to it. A repeat of Wellington's blundering around at that time would be simply horrible. Reese et al have to go!

If that's the case,why not just make Chris Mara GM.You're telling me he can't do a better job than Reese.

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Quote: Joey in VA : 12:13 pm- Reese has talent in identifying prospects up close as the head of scouting. Our pro personnel decisions have been abysmal since Gettleman left. Don't fire Reese, fire Ross and put Reese back in as the head of scouting. This is the ideal solution then hire someone with a knack for building the roster. It's not always about individual pieces but how they fit together. IMO Reese struggles with this aspect of his current job.

Believe it or not, I think in the way the Giants do things, they rely on the head coach (Coughlin) to make that call. Coughlin tells Reese what he values and Reese/Ross/Mara attempt to get those pieces.

In comment 12724053 Joey in VA said:

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In identifying prospects up close as the head of scouting. He has no business constructing a roster, and our pro personnel decisions have been abysmal since Gettleman left. Don't fire Reese, fire Ross and put Reese back in as the head of scouting. If Reese isn't in the weeds on prospects, his judgement is reliant on Ross and his team's reports and grades. We drafted 2 super bowl winning rosters with JR as the head of scouting with a real GM in place, and we chunked that system. It doesn't work, change it. If you won't demote Reese, get Jeremiah Davis promoted as the head of scouting and chuck Ross. It's Ross' grades that guide the draft and he has been awful at it in his time here. When Reese moved upstairs and Ross took his spot, it all started going down hill, yet Tom COughlin gets his head lopped off for winning 6 games with a shit roster.

If not now for a new HC, then when?

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If that's the case,why not just make Chris Mara GM.You're telling me he can't do a better job than Reese.

You want a one way ticket to Snyder/Jerrahville? It's bad enough he's in the front office making any personnel decisions.

Mara gave Reese and Couglin one more year to get it together with another year under McAdoo. While, he has definitely helped to improve Eli's numbers, he is not some innovative genius.

This team will still have a top 10 QB and the best receiver in the NFL (for cheap) for the next few years. There is no reason to fear change. It can turn around quickly in the NFL and Eli has more than enough football IQ and saavy to adapt.

Reese has done a piss poor job of providing this team with sufficient talent and depth and Coughlin has failed to adapt to the current landscape of the NFL. He has stubbornly forced balance in a passing league and has aside from 2007-2008 (and late 2011) failed to produce results on defense.

to be considered a head coach?

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In comment 12723919 trueblueinpw said:

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McAdoo has been an utter disaster when OBJ has not been on the field. People act like this guy has achieved something by improving Eli's completion percentage. So fucking what? Eli won two Super Bowls with Gilbride and now all of the sudden Eli's been "fixed" by McAdoo? The only person who "fixed" Eli is OBJ. Get rid of TC? Fine with me, but perpetuate this shit show by hiring a HC based on the ridiculous notion that McAdoo is some kind of Bill Belichick is waiting.

Agree McAdoo is nothing special. Nice guy who seems to put together a decent game plan, but doesn't adjust well in games and is not a very good play caller IMO either. His WCO that gets the ball out quickly, plus OBJ, is what has revitalized Eli. In fact, there's been games where defenses know exactly where the ball is going and sit on those plays. No creativity or adjustments to game planning.

In comment 12724053 Joey in VA said:

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In identifying prospects up close as the head of scouting. He has no business constructing a roster, and our pro personnel decisions have been abysmal since Gettleman left. Don't fire Reese, fire Ross and put Reese back in as the head of scouting. If Reese isn't in the weeds on prospects, his judgement is reliant on Ross and his team's reports and grades. We drafted 2 super bowl winning rosters with JR as the head of scouting with a real GM in place, and we chunked that system. It doesn't work, change it. If you won't demote Reese, get Jeremiah Davis promoted as the head of scouting and chuck Ross. It's Ross' grades that guide the draft and he has been awful at it in his time here. When Reese moved upstairs and Ross took his spot, it all started going down hill, yet Tom COughlin gets his head lopped off for winning 6 games with a shit roster.

I'm with Joey on this.

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And get a defense oriented HC who will work on the defense.

And if you are a prospective candidate coming to interview and you are told during the interview you must keep McAdoo in order to be hired and his philosophy of offense is different from yours, why would you accept the job under those terms?

So right off the bat, you are limiting the candidate pool.

Like a half dozen other posters in this thread who remember the horror show of the late 60s & 70s, I fear the worst if Reese is not fired. Recalling how badly Wellington managed things then also fills me with worry about the roles of the current generation of Maras. This team is wretched, and to my eye the record is better than the talent level. Yes, it's possible, as some here argue, that TC cost us a few wins. But it is equally possible--and this is my supposition--that except for TC's ability to get the most of players these squads the past three seasons have had the talent level for 3-13.

In comment 12724125 NYG07 said:

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Mara gave Reese and Couglin one more year to get it together with another year under McAdoo. While, he has definitely helped to improve Eli's numbers, he is not some innovative genius. This team will still have a top 10 QB and the best receiver in the NFL (for cheap) for the next few years. There is no reason to fear change. It can turn around quickly in the NFL and Eli has more than enough football IQ and saavy to adapt. Reese has done a piss poor job of providing this team with sufficient talent and depth and Coughlin has failed to adapt to the current landscape of the NFL. He has stubbornly forced balance in a passing league and has aside from 2007-2008 (and late 2011) failed to produce results on defense.

The problem with that is you spend the money you will have available this off season and we are back here 365 days from now with a 7-9 record and fourth straight losing season, then not only will everyone be gone, but then the next coach is going to be saddled with players and contracts that you won't be able to get rid of because you invested all this money into a "last stand" push for 2016.

That then makes the job of the next coach almost impossible because the team will have little cap flexibility and players who likely don't fit what he wants to do. You can't cut them all, so what are you left with.

By making the change now, you give the new coach a clean slate (for the most part)

- Top 11 pick
-$50 cap room
-Eli Manning and Beckham on offense with an o-line

The rest of the roster is then up to the new coach to construct anyway he wants and they can hit the ground running.

But if you do it your way by keeping everyone for another year and it fails, then you have set the team back from a money/cap standpoint a few years and you still end up firing everyone.

correction on that.

as the Giants source said, "a bright young coach" but maybe just a position coach.

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In comment 12724125 NYG07 said: Quote: Mara gave Reese and Couglin one more year to get it together with another year under McAdoo. While, he has definitely helped to improve Eli's numbers, he is not some innovative genius. This team will still have a top 10 QB and the best receiver in the NFL (for cheap) for the next few years. There is no reason to fear change. It can turn around quickly in the NFL and Eli has more than enough football IQ and saavy to adapt. Reese has done a piss poor job of providing this team with sufficient talent and depth and Coughlin has failed to adapt to the current landscape of the NFL. He has stubbornly forced balance in a passing league and has aside from 2007-2008 (and late 2011) failed to produce results on defense. The problem with that is you spend the money you will have available this off season and we are back here 365 days from now with a 7-9 record and fourth straight losing season, then not only will everyone be gone, but then the next coach is going to be saddled with players and contracts that you won't be able to get rid of because you invested all this money into a "last stand" push for 2016. That then makes the job of the next coach almost impossible because the team will have little cap flexibility and players who likely don't fit what he wants to do. You can't cut them all, so what are you left with. By making the change now, you give the new coach a clean slate (for the most part) - Top 11 pick -$50 cap room -Eli Manning and Beckham on offense with an o-line The rest of the roster is then up to the new coach to construct anyway he wants and they can hit the ground running. But if you do it your way by keeping everyone for another year and it fails, then you have set the team back from a money/cap standpoint a few years and you still end up firing everyone.

Not sure if you meant to reply to my post. You are arguing the same point as me. Option 3 is to clean house completely.

to throw to, he is likely less concerned about McAdoo. McAdoo's offense did not look that great until Beckham showed.

don't you think TC has had a major say in the roster? How about all of the coaching blunders going back to the Eagles game in 2011 when he didn't think they would try an on-side kick down 14? How about all off the co-ordinators he has hired who have failed miserably??? Oh, if he only had a better GM, all would be well!!! He and little Bill are the only two coaches who have great QBs who NEVER miss a game - that's a huge advantage TC has not capitalized on - time to retire!

is that we don't know what Reese is responsible for.

I'm a firm believer that TC and his assistants get a lot of say. I wouldn't have any problem with believing Reese runs the day to day operation, and puts everything together so that a group can make the big decisions. I've seen that kind of organization succeed, and I've seen it fail.

I see all the time people blaming the scouting department. So the coaches don't look at the tape, too, and form an opinion? What kind of lazy fucking organization would that be? What kind of dysfunctional organization wouldn't give the coaches a chance to have an opinion? what kind of coach would stay if he didn't get the sense that the company valued his opinion?

ask yourself, why is Reese safe IF he's the guy responsible for the roster decline? why are the coaches on the hotseat? because the Giants don't fire GM's? because it's sexy to fire coaches? maybe the GM isn't the grand dictator y'all think he is in the giant scheme of things.

in 2010, that is.

is hired, you have to let him choose his own coordinators. That said, it would absolutely be known that Eli is familiar with two different pro offenses and it would make sense to bring in a guy who runs one of them.

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is hired, you have to let him choose his own coordinators. That said, it would absolutely be known that Eli is familiar with two different pro offenses and it would make sense to bring in a guy who runs one of them.

So, you're saying the read/option is out for Eli?

In comment 12724194 NYG07 said:

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Not sure if you meant to reply to my post. You are arguing the same point as me. Option 3 is to clean house completely.

Looks like I was. I mistook gave for give in your first sentence. Lol.

Yes, we are on the page on this situation. Agree with you 100%

its tough to accurately evaluate McAdoo. All you can evaluate is the results. How much has he been helped or hurt by the head coach? Is his play calling totally what he wants to do or does he operate within parameters and philosophy that have had an impact?

Can't believe any good coach would go along with it, but someone who into coaches defense like Rex Ryan or a current DC might .

others leaves things muddled and complicated down the line.

However I would be happy with a defensive minded coach who removed spags who is flat out awful. When your sending blitzes and they don't get home It isn't talent. t's called scheme. Constant confusion with the defense. People running free all over. Massive holes in the secondary. It isn't just talent but that's an easy cop out. There's a reason Sean Payton first action when he came back to the saints was removing spags. He made his career having osi tuck strahan Robbins and cofield. Not to mention AP in the middle.

thread and others about Reese and the bad job he has done, I think many of us are missing a few key things about the roster and the talent level.

This team biggest problem has been that they are relying on the return of past key players to return from injury. The result has been they dont return or dont return to form. Players like Cruz, JPP, Beaty have been shown great loyalty by the giants and as a result it affects the composition of the roster. This team has been playing and competing with depth players at key Spots all season. for a team "depleted" of talent, the giants could have easily been 13-3 team with better decisions, play calling, clock management. Credit to the coaches for getting the depth players ready but they didn't get it done in the end.

From everything I have heard about the Giants the org operates on consensus when it comes to personnel. Everyone has a say and the GM makes the choice base on that consensus. If that is the model then the coaches are just as responsible for the roster as the GM. Mara pretty much confirmed that is the model the Giants use.

Even though change is warranted, I hate to see TC go. The one person I think should absolutely get fired is Spags. I had little faith when he came back and did not think he would be a huge improvement over fewell.

I do think that there is a scramble in the org to see how they can keep every one and not make any changes. the problem is Mara drew a red line and now has to either fire the coach/Gm or lose face.

With 2 or 3 additions, this roster can compete and make a serious push for the super bowl.

You're making the argument that it is a talent issue. Compare those names against what he has now.

Yea, they haven't done it, but who's to say they won't?! If he's not doing the job and they feel that he is better replaced, then they'll do it. It's a freaking results based business and its ruthless. If you think the Giants won't pull the plug on Reese you're dead wrong. I'm not so sure they'll do it this year, but I'm sure they've put him on notice too. Ownership has forced TC to make two coordinator changes in three years and now it may just be time to do the same in the front office in getting rid of Ross, Sternfeld or both!

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You're making the argument that it is a talent issue. Compare those names against what he has now.

Spags is part of the problem. What he has now can work as well. who were the probowl safeties under spags? Gibril Wilson?

the current power structure is not working.

Is going to allow McAdoo to be groomed to be his eventual replacement. If the Giants don't feel he's ready, he's gonna be the next Sean Payton or Bill Bellichek that got away.

If they DO feel he's gonna be a guy like that, you give him the reigns NOW, let him grow into it, and pray Reese gives hims some defenders.

The Giants did fire one GM, that being John McVay, during the great purge of 1978. They should do the same with Reese. He stinks as a GM.

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is that we don't know what Reese is responsible for. I'm a firm believer that TC and his assistants get a lot of say. I wouldn't have any problem with believing Reese runs the day to day operation, and puts everything together so that a group can make the big decisions. I've seen that kind of organization succeed, and I've seen it fail. I see all the time people blaming the scouting department. So the coaches don't look at the tape, too, and form an opinion? What kind of lazy fucking organization would that be? What kind of dysfunctional organization wouldn't give the coaches a chance to have an opinion? what kind of coach would stay if he didn't get the sense that the company valued his opinion? ask yourself, why is Reese safe IF he's the guy responsible for the roster decline? why are the coaches on the hotseat? because the Giants don't fire GM's? because it's sexy to fire coaches? maybe the GM isn't the grand dictator y'all think he is in the giant scheme of things.

That last paragraph in particular is a huge reason why I think Coughlin is on the hot seat now. When you see Andre Williams going out there in rotation and falling down after 2 yards, do you really think 'boy, Reese really screwed Coughlin with this one'?

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When you see Andre Williams going out there in rotation and falling down after 2 yards, do you really think 'boy, Reese really screwed Coughlin with this one'?

Yup, and Reese was responsible for the Titanic sinking as well.

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is just foolish, IMO. One, he's a top-rated quarterback. He simply needs and should be expected to adjust if he's worth his salt. Two, he has 4 years on his contract. It's highly unlikely he continues on after that (though considering his ability to avoid injury, he just might). The point is, he has a finite time left. His window is very short. I don't think McAdoo is ready. He's given no indication he is ready. Don't hire McAdoo simply because Eli wants him or because Eli would have to learn another playbook.

I can't even explain how much I disagree with this whole comment. No offense. It just sounds like such a typical fan point of view when it comes to how much a coaching change alters the team. Here read this:

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"I'd say it's really disappointing. I mean, Chip Kelly, to me, is a really good football coach. He does a great job and he's done a great job with that team," Belichick said in an expansive news conference. "Pretty much everyone is on a one-year contract in this league. I don't know how you build a program in one year. ... Chip is a great coach. He'll end up somewhere and will do a great job there." Belichick then said it wasn't until 2003, the fourth year of his Patriots tenure, that he fully installed his program. "Because of everything -- you have to change the culture. Normally one coach is different from the previous coach -- you don't see a lot of whoever the first coach is, the second coach is kind of a carbon copy of the second coach, the third coach is kind of a carbon copy of the second coach. You rarely see that," he said. "So the coach that comes in usually has a different philosophy than the coach that left, so you have to try to implement that philosophy, and that means you're going to turn over a high percentage of the roster because the players the other coach had don't fit the new philosophy. So a lot of the players are going to have to change, in part of the philosophy and in part because of the scheme; those kind of role-type players, now that role is not needed in the new scheme. A different role is needed, so you have different players. Then just getting your team acclimated to doing things the way of the philosophy of the new program. You're going to have to go through a lot of tough situations -- tough games, tough losses, tough stretches in the season, whatever it happens to be. To build that up over time, it doesn't happen in training camp. ... "It takes some time to go through that. I don't think there is any shortcut to it. I know there is a lot of other people in the league that think there is, there's instant; in two weeks everything is going to change. I don't buy into that."

84% want to dump Reese. The other 16% are on BBI
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