The guy's been here two years. Last year at this time, Mara basically laughed in the face of anyone that suggested that McAdoo is the next coach. Nothing happened this year to make anyone think the franchise will operate on McAdoo's schedule to prevent him from leaving the building.
Was just gonna say they can have him.
He doesn't impress me as a personnel manager. Unless he has the playcard someone else will run (his) O and he gets a disjointed D.
Hope the Giants don't overreactions and hire him their HC...presuming....
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no matter where he goes. The HC has far too many responsibilities to have time to coordinate the offense and develop offensive game plans. The Giants may worry that they will lose McAdoo's offense if he leaves, and that I can understand, but if McAdoo stays, the Giants will retain his offense only if he remains OC.
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no matter where he goes. The HC has far too many responsibilities to have time to coordinate the offense and develop offensive game plans. The Giants may worry that they will lose McAdoo's offense if he leaves, and that I can understand, but if McAdoo stays, the Giants will retain his offense only if he remains OC.
Why is that? Or do you mean he won't be the playcaller?
Gilbride and Hufnagel were both OCs for Coughlin, but it was Coughlin's offense the entire time. In fact, if you look at what we run now, there's still quite a bit of TC's offense in there.
no matter where he goes. The HC has far too many responsibilities to have time to coordinate the offense and develop offensive game plans. The Giants may worry that they will lose McAdoo's offense if he leaves, and that I can understand, but if McAdoo stays, the Giants will retain his offense only if he remains OC.
Why is that? Or do you mean he won't be the playcaller?
Gilbride and Hufnagel were both OCs for Coughlin, but it was Coughlin's offense the entire time. In fact, if you look at what we run now, there's still quite a bit of TC's offense in there.
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no matter where he goes. The HC has far too many responsibilities to have time to coordinate the offense and develop offensive game plans. The Giants may worry that they will lose McAdoo's offense if he leaves, and that I can understand, but if McAdoo stays, the Giants will retain his offense only if he remains OC.
Why is that? Or do you mean he won't be the playcaller?
Gilbride and Hufnagel were both OCs for Coughlin, but it was Coughlin's offense the entire time. In fact, if you look at what we run now, there's still quite a bit of TC's offense in there.
Coughlin couldn't have been intimately involved in the offense. Hufnagel's offense was predictable and used little play action. Gilbride's offense threw deep often, often on 1st down, required a 5 step drop, an offensive line that could hold for 3-4 seconds, and receivers and quarterback to read the defense as the receivers were running routes. McAdoo's offense was quick hitting, requiring only a 3 step drop. I don't think Coughlin changed coordinators because he changed his philosophy.
no matter where he goes. The HC has far too many responsibilities to have time to coordinate the offense and develop offensive game plans. The Giants may worry that they will lose McAdoo's offense if he leaves, and that I can understand, but if McAdoo stays, the Giants will retain his offense only if he remains OC.
Why is that? Or do you mean he won't be the playcaller?
Gilbride and Hufnagel were both OCs for Coughlin, but it was Coughlin's offense the entire time. In fact, if you look at what we run now, there's still quite a bit of TC's offense in there.
gilbride ran the same shit with houston
Gilbride ran a run n shoot offense. The offense he ran in New York was very much Coughlin's offense. Hufnagel was a shit play caller, the issue wasn't necessarily the play design.
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no matter where he goes. The HC has far too many responsibilities to have time to coordinate the offense and develop offensive game plans. The Giants may worry that they will lose McAdoo's offense if he leaves, and that I can understand, but if McAdoo stays, the Giants will retain his offense only if he remains OC.
Why is that? Or do you mean he won't be the playcaller?
Gilbride and Hufnagel were both OCs for Coughlin, but it was Coughlin's offense the entire time. In fact, if you look at what we run now, there's still quite a bit of TC's offense in there.
Coughlin couldn't have been intimately involved in the offense. Hufnagel's offense was predictable and used little play action. Gilbride's offense threw deep often, often on 1st down, required a 5 step drop, an offensive line that could hold for 3-4 seconds, and receivers and quarterback to read the defense as the receivers were running routes. McAdoo's offense was quick hitting, requiring only a 3 step drop. I don't think Coughlin changed coordinators because he changed his philosophy.
Coughlin himself has called it "his offense' numerous times over the years. In fact, there was a pretty significant article about how much of a change it was when he moved to McAdoo's offense.
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Every successful coach is known for something, rises through the ranks on the strength of a particular area of expertise. Every step of the way, it’s been offense for Coughlin. Working with backs, receivers, quarterbacks, serving as coordinator, he’s done it all. As a head coach, he ran HIS offense. It’s his background, his acquired knowledge, his beliefs, his football philosophy. His offense is his baby.
no matter where he goes. The HC has far too many responsibilities to have time to coordinate the offense and develop offensive game plans. The Giants may worry that they will lose McAdoo's offense if he leaves, and that I can understand, but if McAdoo stays, the Giants will retain his offense only if he remains OC.
Why is that? Or do you mean he won't be the playcaller?
Gilbride and Hufnagel were both OCs for Coughlin, but it was Coughlin's offense the entire time. In fact, if you look at what we run now, there's still quite a bit of TC's offense in there.
gilbride ran the same shit with houston
Gilbride ran a run n shoot offense. The offense he ran in New York was very much Coughlin's offense. Hufnagel was a shit play caller, the issue wasn't necessarily the play design.
Hey David. I thought that the Giants offense under TC-Gilbride was very closely related to the Run and SHoot.
In football, the narrative is never as simple as it seems. Do the Giants run the run-and-shoot? No, of course not. But they use pieces of it, just as every other NFL team does.
In football, the narrative is never as simple as it seems. Do the Giants run the run-and-shoot? No, of course not. But they use pieces of it, just as every other NFL team does.
You really cherry picked that comment, point was the fundamentals of that TC-KG had a ton of Run and shoot in it. According to wikipedia Giants were in that category as well. Seems some truth to it no ? If you read about what run and shoot is/was, alot of that happened under TC-Gilbride.
Splitting hairs here. My original point was, KG ran alot of the same plays in Houston and the offense influenced ours. KG and TC were together in jacksonville also and merged their styles... but again run and shoot heavy influence.
I read something else as KG moved around as OC, he added more Tight end ( not really run and shoot ) for blocking and routes and more running game... which sounds a hell of a lot like TC's offense to me.
pretty sure fans (of all teams) view their team in a bubble and don't think other teams experience the things that they hate about the teams they root for. Other QB's throw perfect passes and never make bad throws or bad decisions. other teams' coaches are on the money with play calls and decision making while we have a buffoon losing us games. Etc. etc...
give a fuck if the Eagles hired Coughlin???? I sure wouldn't.
so you'd not care or even be happy watching Tom Coughlin coach the Philadelphia Eagles. correct?
Probably shouldve worded it more gently. Honestly, at this point, aside from nostalgia of winning two SBS with him, I couldn't care less about them hiring Coughlin.
He was a great coach, but I also think he may not understand admitting that you no longer have "it". The IT being the internal desire to give it your all and your best. He may think he is, but there is a point where you just don't process nor think things through clearly enough. Its sad but also the case many times.
This coach can do good in terms of building a teams character, but outside of that, I think he's no longer a threat to any team which is why he needs to go.
It's almost like watching Jeter's farewell season all over again.
especially the Eagles. I look at it the same as seeing Parcells coach the Cowboys or seeing Bavaro in an Eagles uniform, etc...
I guess it would be upsetting a little. But I get the feeling that Coughlin is maybe clinging a little too hard to glory days. I think once he saw himself wearing that Eagles logo, he would be exhausted of any desire to coach that team. I also dont think he would take that job. He has no reason to stick it to an incomplete Giants team where he resurrected his career through their patience. I don't think that the current culture in Philly is one that would agree with him. Hearing "We hate Chip!" constantly in bars and after games was disturbing to me and would be even worse for a 70 year old man. Having a situation where he really doesn't have to live up to anything and can establish a culture like Miami, Cleveland or even Tennessee is something I think would be much more appealing to him
I'll bet it's in Florida. If I'm the owner of the Dolphins, I have him on speed dial. Think about it...who has a better record against Belichick than Tom? And there is certainly talent there. He might even bring back Gilbride, to spice up that offense.
For all we know, McAdoo could be another Ray Handley? Â
"His" offense is the WCO. The Giants brought him in to install an offense run all over the NFL. There were other guys who could have done the same
No idea if it's him or TC totally that's still shit in he red zone but I just don't get the facintion. OBJ has has much to done his success as the scheme IMO. He's going to go somewhere. I really don't care where if a chance is made
but there is only one likely scenario where he remains OC for the Giants and that's if TC stays at HC. Any new HC will bring in their own staff and system.
Plus I don't see the Giants giving the HC job to Mcadoo if TC goes.
In my view, no TC no McAdoo for the Giants next year.
the Giant offense was pretty damn effective this year Â
despite having (1) a suspect offensive line that struggled in the run game, short yardage and protecting the QB for more than the second read; (2) the best TE being an undrafted rookie from Stoney Brook; (3) limited WR depth after the star WR. Given the limitations of this offense, the QB would have gotten killed in the old offense that the Giants ran. Despite these issues, the Giants were 6th in points and 8th in yards in 2015.
Over the last two years Eli Manning threw for 8800+ yards, 65 TDs vs 28 INTs, 62.5% completion percentage and around a 93 passer rating. Contrast that to 7,700 yards, 44 TDs vs 42 INTs, 58.7% completion percentage and around a 78 passer rating.
I think McAdoo looks pretty attractive from that vantage point. His body of work in installing a new offense and changing how the QB plays is impressive. Its not like the Giants offense out-talents many others - OBJ and Eli to some extent - excepted. I think you have to give McAdoo a lot more credit than he has gotten around here. I could easily see him being an attractive candidate for another team despite his relative youth.
be MAC unless Eli say's Different. Very highly regarded around league and in house. The only other scenario is Tom stay's one more year tutoring Mac then passes the baton.
no one is eyeing our garbage FO executives. That's not most damning criticism of our FO, at least our coaching staff is well regarded by others in the league.
It will be an absolute joke if Clawfin goes and Reese/Ross stays.
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they can have him. If TC is going, they need to let the new coach come in and hire his own coordinators. McAdoo is not good enough that you make him an unremovable part. If the Giants believe they can't lose him, then they have to promote him to HC. I am hoping that does not happen.
Eli can learn and run any system in the game today, save the read-option. We don't need to retain McAdoo to have Eli play well.
Plan B may be walking out the door,
He could go to philly and be the next huge thorn in this teams back.
History repeats itself Giants love to let great coaches slip through their fingers.
My sources tell me Duce Staley already got the job Â
I don't see McAdoo leaving for another job while giving the Giants a chance to promote him. Unless, of course, it was his dream to coach in Philadelphia.
Not in the sense that they need to fire Coughlin now to keep him, but if you let him go the Giants are free to move on from TC and start over. The idea that TC is a placeholder for a guy that runs on 3rd and 10 but not on 1st and goal from the 2 doesn't thrill me.
I think McAdoo can become a good HC but he isn't ready now and I wouldn't promote him just to keep him from the Eagles. I would rather surrender a draft pick for Payton than be rushed to promote McAdoo.
As a potential HC for the Giants is that he now knows the players and the staff and has his own views as to who is any good and who isn't. No outsider can have so informed a view of the Giants' personnel and the organization as a whole, within which, needless to say, the HC has to operate. This, of course, is meaningless in the context of the Eagles' situation and that organization.
I have no idea where how McAdoo got crowned as the next Vince Lombardi. His offensive scheming, play-calling, and player-coaching are not remarkable. Red zone offense--the most critical component of winning--is terrible. If he becomes the HC of the Eagles, and goes for FGs, the Giants might be able to beat them for the first time in 3 decades.
He's hardly perfect, but I think he's done an excellent job with Â
I have no idea where how McAdoo got crowned as the next Vince Lombardi. His offensive scheming, play-calling, and player-coaching are not remarkable. Red zone offense--the most critical component of winning--is terrible. If he becomes the HC of the Eagles, and goes for FGs, the Giants might be able to beat them for the first time in 3 decades.
YES. It's as if nobody saw any of those goal line sequences early in the game yesterday, and during the season.
an offensive unit with 2 above average starters (maybe 3, if we include Richburg).
Very few offenses have more than a couple of those. I think some of you don't watch other teams play or evaluate their talent levels.
The execution on this team was missing.
The defense lacked talent. The offense maybe lacked depth but it had enough talent. The execution was occasionally poor and there were issues late in games in terms of playcalling.
I completely disagree. They have less depth at skill position Â
talent than anyone in their own division, let alone outside their division. They have Eli, Odell, and a bunch of backup/rotation players masquerading as starters. The Dolphins have more depth of non-QB skill position talent. Decker is infinitely better than the Giants second best receiver. The Packers' WRs stink without Nelson, but they still have Lacy, Starks, and Richard Rodgers (plus Cobb, when he's healthy).
I have no idea where how McAdoo got crowned as the next Vince Lombardi. His offensive scheming, play-calling, and player-coaching are not remarkable. Red zone offense--the most critical component of winning--is terrible. If he becomes the HC of the Eagles, and goes for FGs, the Giants might be able to beat them for the first time in 3 decades.
YES. It's as if nobody saw any of those goal line sequences early in the game yesterday, and during the season.
This team has had issues in "The Green Zone" prior to McAdoo arriving.
This team has had issues in "The Green Zone" prior to McAdoo arriving. Â
but I do think that people overlook the infusion of talent into the O at the same time that seems to coincide with his hiring.
You revamp the OL, sign a RB, pick up a dynamic WR - and not surprisingly, your franchise QB starts to do a lot better.
Revamp the online ? With Newhouse,Schwarts,Jerry and a Rookie and 2nd year player?
The running back rotation screamed Coughlin. Earth wind fire anyone?
One WR one Qb who would start on other teams, he brings you
A top ten offense in this defense from hell. How many games did we score over 30 points?
Keep thinking it guys Mac will be deadly with more moving parts and a fair defense. He would win 10 games with the Eagleseven with Sanchez.
But hey let's just suck again next year and screw the best QB we have ever had. Losing mentality and the shiny coach concept. So many fall for it.
I live out by Philly and the fans and town would never go for it (I think they have more influence on Lori than they should). Would be more of meltdown than the Kelly fiasco. McAdoo just does not have the credibility. They swept us the 2 years he was our OC and they are going to hire him! They are "eyeing" everyone, but I think they will hire Mcdermott (DC of Carolina) if they can wait till he is available.
John Harbaugh was a special teams coordinator for almost 10 years Â
thats what a WCO gets you.
but did anyone actually watch this offense and come away with the impression that it's "good" beyond simply having Eli Manning and Odell Beckham?
This offense, in any real evaluation, is pretty f#cking far from being "good". Bad run game. Unreliable contributions from the other receivers. Failure to incorporate Vereen in critical times. Horrible red zone. Ordinary (at best) play calling and game strategy.
thats what a WCO gets you.
but did anyone actually watch this offense and come away with the impression that it's "good" beyond simply having Eli Manning and Odell Beckham?
This offense, in any real evaluation, is pretty f#cking far from being "good". Bad run game. Unreliable contributions from the other receivers. Failure to incorporate Vereen in critical times. Horrible red zone. Ordinary (at best) play calling and game strategy.
This is a great post. DO you ever feel like they can score when they need to? Or just get a few first downs at a crucial juncture?
no one is eyeing our garbage FO executives. That's not most damning criticism of our FO, at least our coaching staff is well regarded by others in the league.
It will be an absolute joke if Clawfin goes and Reese/Ross stays.
Can you, perhaps expand your vocabulary a little bit? Players, coaches, GMs, scouts, owners, etc., are not "garbage." They're men, some of whom are about to lose their jobs. Maybe they've performed poorly and replacement is warranted but repeatedly calling them "garbage" is immature, asinine, and is more a reflection in you than your targets.
thats what a WCO gets you.
but did anyone actually watch this offense and come away with the impression that it's "good" beyond simply having Eli Manning and Odell Beckham?
This offense, in any real evaluation, is pretty f#cking far from being "good". Bad run game. Unreliable contributions from the other receivers. Failure to incorporate Vereen in critical times. Horrible red zone. Ordinary (at best) play calling and game strategy.
So if Rueben Randle, Dwayne Harris, Preston Parker, Larry Donnell, and Will Tye leave the Giants, are they going to be more successful (or even in the NFL)? I seriously doubt it... you can't scheme away suck and in some cases, lack of effort.
Also, I think people are seriously underestimating how much a bad o-line hurts your ability to do different things with Vereen. If you want to tell me Andre Williams' usage is related to Ben McAdoo, then he deserves criticism for that. I seriously doubt that's true though.
If they interview MacAdoo...
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...it's with an eye to making him their OC if the Giants cut him loose in a coaching regime change.
During his tenure, he's never had a viable #2 WR, and has always had at LEAST one extremely suspect side of the line with fringe NFL starters, not to mention journeymen RBs.
I'd like to see this offense with 2 of these 3 elements fixed. We all saw the difference between Gilbride's O when the personnel was stocked vs depleted... let's see what McAdoo has.
If the Eagles are considering McAdoo for HC, I'd hope the Giants would at least do their due diligence and interview him.
If they interview MacAdoo...
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...it's with an eye to making him their OC if the Giants cut him loose in a coaching regime change.
There is nothing in the organization's DNA to suggest that what other teams do will force them to do anything.
There's a very good chance the TC situation isn't even resolved tomorrow.
As for McAdoo, we'll see what happens, I suppose.
He doesn't impress me as a personnel manager. Unless he has the playcard someone else will run (his) O and he gets a disjointed D.
Hope the Giants don't overreactions and hire him their HC...presuming....
Why is that? Or do you mean he won't be the playcaller?
Gilbride and Hufnagel were both OCs for Coughlin, but it was Coughlin's offense the entire time. In fact, if you look at what we run now, there's still quite a bit of TC's offense in there.
This is going to be like red sox yankees level crazy....
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no matter where he goes. The HC has far too many responsibilities to have time to coordinate the offense and develop offensive game plans. The Giants may worry that they will lose McAdoo's offense if he leaves, and that I can understand, but if McAdoo stays, the Giants will retain his offense only if he remains OC.
Why is that? Or do you mean he won't be the playcaller?
Gilbride and Hufnagel were both OCs for Coughlin, but it was Coughlin's offense the entire time. In fact, if you look at what we run now, there's still quite a bit of TC's offense in there.
gilbride ran the same shit with houston
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no matter where he goes. The HC has far too many responsibilities to have time to coordinate the offense and develop offensive game plans. The Giants may worry that they will lose McAdoo's offense if he leaves, and that I can understand, but if McAdoo stays, the Giants will retain his offense only if he remains OC.
Why is that? Or do you mean he won't be the playcaller?
Gilbride and Hufnagel were both OCs for Coughlin, but it was Coughlin's offense the entire time. In fact, if you look at what we run now, there's still quite a bit of TC's offense in there.
Coughlin couldn't have been intimately involved in the offense. Hufnagel's offense was predictable and used little play action. Gilbride's offense threw deep often, often on 1st down, required a 5 step drop, an offensive line that could hold for 3-4 seconds, and receivers and quarterback to read the defense as the receivers were running routes. McAdoo's offense was quick hitting, requiring only a 3 step drop. I don't think Coughlin changed coordinators because he changed his philosophy.
Just kidding, I say BS to this. Not to interviewing him but them actually serious in hiring him.
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no matter where he goes. The HC has far too many responsibilities to have time to coordinate the offense and develop offensive game plans. The Giants may worry that they will lose McAdoo's offense if he leaves, and that I can understand, but if McAdoo stays, the Giants will retain his offense only if he remains OC.
Why is that? Or do you mean he won't be the playcaller?
Gilbride and Hufnagel were both OCs for Coughlin, but it was Coughlin's offense the entire time. In fact, if you look at what we run now, there's still quite a bit of TC's offense in there.
gilbride ran the same shit with houston
Gilbride ran a run n shoot offense. The offense he ran in New York was very much Coughlin's offense. Hufnagel was a shit play caller, the issue wasn't necessarily the play design.
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no matter where he goes. The HC has far too many responsibilities to have time to coordinate the offense and develop offensive game plans. The Giants may worry that they will lose McAdoo's offense if he leaves, and that I can understand, but if McAdoo stays, the Giants will retain his offense only if he remains OC.
Why is that? Or do you mean he won't be the playcaller?
Gilbride and Hufnagel were both OCs for Coughlin, but it was Coughlin's offense the entire time. In fact, if you look at what we run now, there's still quite a bit of TC's offense in there.
Coughlin couldn't have been intimately involved in the offense. Hufnagel's offense was predictable and used little play action. Gilbride's offense threw deep often, often on 1st down, required a 5 step drop, an offensive line that could hold for 3-4 seconds, and receivers and quarterback to read the defense as the receivers were running routes. McAdoo's offense was quick hitting, requiring only a 3 step drop. I don't think Coughlin changed coordinators because he changed his philosophy.
Coughlin himself has called it "his offense' numerous times over the years. In fact, there was a pretty significant article about how much of a change it was when he moved to McAdoo's offense.
“That’s fair to say, yes,’’ Coughlin said.
http://nypost.com/2014/10/07/an-inside-look-at-why-and-how-coughlin-turned-over-the-reins/ - ( New Window )
McAdoo is a young guy with his own ideas. He'd get somebody he could work with but it would be his offense.
You kidding? We have "Giants fans" who like Buddy Ryan for taking a swing at Gilbride.
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no matter where he goes. The HC has far too many responsibilities to have time to coordinate the offense and develop offensive game plans. The Giants may worry that they will lose McAdoo's offense if he leaves, and that I can understand, but if McAdoo stays, the Giants will retain his offense only if he remains OC.
Why is that? Or do you mean he won't be the playcaller?
Gilbride and Hufnagel were both OCs for Coughlin, but it was Coughlin's offense the entire time. In fact, if you look at what we run now, there's still quite a bit of TC's offense in there.
gilbride ran the same shit with houston
Gilbride ran a run n shoot offense. The offense he ran in New York was very much Coughlin's offense. Hufnagel was a shit play caller, the issue wasn't necessarily the play design.
Hey David. I thought that the Giants offense under TC-Gilbride was very closely related to the Run and SHoot.
Check out this article...
Giants run and shoot - ( New Window )
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the '04-'13 offense?
You kidding? We have "Giants fans" who like Buddy Ryan for taking a swing at Gilbride.
You know that is so true and sad all at the same time
so you'd not care or even be happy watching Tom Coughlin coach the Philadelphia Eagles. correct?
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give a fuck if the Eagles hired Coughlin???? I sure wouldn't.
so you'd not care or even be happy watching Tom Coughlin coach the Philadelphia Eagles. correct?
He would probably eat our lunch twice a year. he is a good coach, i wouldnt want to face him in the playoffs.
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In football, the narrative is never as simple as it seems. Do the Giants run the run-and-shoot? No, of course not. But they use pieces of it, just as every other NFL team does.
You really cherry picked that comment, point was the fundamentals of that TC-KG had a ton of Run and shoot in it. According to wikipedia Giants were in that category as well. Seems some truth to it no ? If you read about what run and shoot is/was, alot of that happened under TC-Gilbride.
Splitting hairs here. My original point was, KG ran alot of the same plays in Houston and the offense influenced ours. KG and TC were together in jacksonville also and merged their styles... but again run and shoot heavy influence.
I read something else as KG moved around as OC, he added more Tight end ( not really run and shoot ) for blocking and routes and more running game... which sounds a hell of a lot like TC's offense to me.
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give a fuck if the Eagles hired Coughlin???? I sure wouldn't.
so you'd not care or even be happy watching Tom Coughlin coach the Philadelphia Eagles. correct?
Probably shouldve worded it more gently. Honestly, at this point, aside from nostalgia of winning two SBS with him, I couldn't care less about them hiring Coughlin.
He was a great coach, but I also think he may not understand admitting that you no longer have "it". The IT being the internal desire to give it your all and your best. He may think he is, but there is a point where you just don't process nor think things through clearly enough. Its sad but also the case many times.
This coach can do good in terms of building a teams character, but outside of that, I think he's no longer a threat to any team which is why he needs to go.
It's almost like watching Jeter's farewell season all over again.
I guess it would be upsetting a little. But I get the feeling that Coughlin is maybe clinging a little too hard to glory days. I think once he saw himself wearing that Eagles logo, he would be exhausted of any desire to coach that team. I also dont think he would take that job. He has no reason to stick it to an incomplete Giants team where he resurrected his career through their patience. I don't think that the current culture in Philly is one that would agree with him. Hearing "We hate Chip!" constantly in bars and after games was disturbing to me and would be even worse for a 70 year old man. Having a situation where he really doesn't have to live up to anything and can establish a culture like Miami, Cleveland or even Tennessee is something I think would be much more appealing to him
"His" offense is the WCO. The Giants brought him in to install an offense run all over the NFL. There were other guys who could have done the same
No idea if it's him or TC totally that's still shit in he red zone but I just don't get the facintion. OBJ has has much to done his success as the scheme IMO. He's going to go somewhere. I really don't care where if a chance is made
Plus I don't see the Giants giving the HC job to Mcadoo if TC goes.
In my view, no TC no McAdoo for the Giants next year.
Over the last two years Eli Manning threw for 8800+ yards, 65 TDs vs 28 INTs, 62.5% completion percentage and around a 93 passer rating. Contrast that to 7,700 yards, 44 TDs vs 42 INTs, 58.7% completion percentage and around a 78 passer rating.
I think McAdoo looks pretty attractive from that vantage point. His body of work in installing a new offense and changing how the QB plays is impressive. Its not like the Giants offense out-talents many others - OBJ and Eli to some extent - excepted. I think you have to give McAdoo a lot more credit than he has gotten around here. I could easily see him being an attractive candidate for another team despite his relative youth.
Bongo!
I'd take TC over Mac any day but I doubt Tom would coach for the another team in the division. He's too loyal to do that.
MacAdoo is not ready to be a HC. He hasn't even proven himself as a OC. His use of Vereen was pathetic and he really should have used him a lot more.
It will be an absolute joke if Clawfin goes and Reese/Ross stays.
WTF are Eric and the mods doing lately, taking a nap?
WTF are Eric and the mods doing lately, taking a nap?
What? Are you talking about the report?
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would ask why we don't run a wildcat more often?
WTF are Eric and the mods doing lately, taking a nap?
What? Are you talking about the report?
I'm talking about some of the trolls you guys are excusing for posters these days...
Eli can learn and run any system in the game today, save the read-option. We don't need to retain McAdoo to have Eli play well.
Agreed. Why wait? Get it done now if that's your selection.
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would ask why we don't run a wildcat more often?
WTF are Eric and the mods doing lately, taking a nap?
What? Are you talking about the report?
I'm talking about some of the trolls you guys are excusing for posters these days...
If you see something obvious then email us. Stop bitching in threads and alert us.
He could go to philly and be the next huge thorn in this teams back.
History repeats itself Giants love to let great coaches slip through their fingers.
Lol
I think McAdoo can become a good HC but he isn't ready now and I wouldn't promote him just to keep him from the Eagles. I would rather surrender a draft pick for Payton than be rushed to promote McAdoo.
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Not a fan? What are you hearing?
me too. let him go
JonC : 9:50 am
I'm bewildered at suggestions he's ready to be a HC.
I don't think he even has a complete handle on his own offense yet. Possibly due to incorporating running elements TC insists on as core principles.
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He's an almost green as grass OC in the NFL
JonC : 9:50 am
I'm bewildered at suggestions he's ready to be a HC.
I don't think he even has a complete handle on his own offense yet. Possibly due to incorporating running elements TC insists on as core principles.
Agreed, and at times he displays little feel for actual gameflow when calling plays. It feels like they're still running a rudimentary system to me.
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JonC : 9:50 am
I'm bewildered at suggestions he's ready to be a HC.
I don't think he even has a complete handle on his own offense yet. Possibly due to incorporating running elements TC insists on as core principles.
Agreed, and at times he displays little feel for actual gameflow when calling plays. It feels like they're still running a rudimentary system to me.
Co-signed. This team needs an experienced coach.
YES. It's as if nobody saw any of those goal line sequences early in the game yesterday, and during the season.
You revamp the OL, sign a RB, pick up a dynamic WR - and not surprisingly, your franchise QB starts to do a lot better.
Very few offenses have more than a couple of those. I think some of you don't watch other teams play or evaluate their talent levels.
The execution on this team was missing.
The defense lacked talent. The offense maybe lacked depth but it had enough talent. The execution was occasionally poor and there were issues late in games in terms of playcalling.
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I have no idea where how McAdoo got crowned as the next Vince Lombardi. His offensive scheming, play-calling, and player-coaching are not remarkable. Red zone offense--the most critical component of winning--is terrible. If he becomes the HC of the Eagles, and goes for FGs, the Giants might be able to beat them for the first time in 3 decades.
YES. It's as if nobody saw any of those goal line sequences early in the game yesterday, and during the season.
This team has had issues in "The Green Zone" prior to McAdoo arriving.
You revamp the OL, sign a RB, pick up a dynamic WR - and not surprisingly, your franchise QB starts to do a lot better.
Revamp the online ? With Newhouse,Schwarts,Jerry and a Rookie and 2nd year player?
The running back rotation screamed Coughlin. Earth wind fire anyone?
One WR one Qb who would start on other teams, he brings you
A top ten offense in this defense from hell. How many games did we score over 30 points?
Keep thinking it guys Mac will be deadly with more moving parts and a fair defense. He would win 10 games with the Eagleseven with Sanchez.
But hey let's just suck again next year and screw the best QB we have ever had. Losing mentality and the shiny coach concept. So many fall for it.
Not sure why there's talk of McAdoo becoming a head coach after two years of running an offense.
but did anyone actually watch this offense and come away with the impression that it's "good" beyond simply having Eli Manning and Odell Beckham?
This offense, in any real evaluation, is pretty f#cking far from being "good". Bad run game. Unreliable contributions from the other receivers. Failure to incorporate Vereen in critical times. Horrible red zone. Ordinary (at best) play calling and game strategy.
but did anyone actually watch this offense and come away with the impression that it's "good" beyond simply having Eli Manning and Odell Beckham?
This offense, in any real evaluation, is pretty f#cking far from being "good". Bad run game. Unreliable contributions from the other receivers. Failure to incorporate Vereen in critical times. Horrible red zone. Ordinary (at best) play calling and game strategy.
This is a great post. DO you ever feel like they can score when they need to? Or just get a few first downs at a crucial juncture?
It will be an absolute joke if Clawfin goes and Reese/Ross stays.
Can you, perhaps expand your vocabulary a little bit? Players, coaches, GMs, scouts, owners, etc., are not "garbage." They're men, some of whom are about to lose their jobs. Maybe they've performed poorly and replacement is warranted but repeatedly calling them "garbage" is immature, asinine, and is more a reflection in you than your targets.
but did anyone actually watch this offense and come away with the impression that it's "good" beyond simply having Eli Manning and Odell Beckham?
This offense, in any real evaluation, is pretty f#cking far from being "good". Bad run game. Unreliable contributions from the other receivers. Failure to incorporate Vereen in critical times. Horrible red zone. Ordinary (at best) play calling and game strategy.
So if Rueben Randle, Dwayne Harris, Preston Parker, Larry Donnell, and Will Tye leave the Giants, are they going to be more successful (or even in the NFL)? I seriously doubt it... you can't scheme away suck and in some cases, lack of effort.
Also, I think people are seriously underestimating how much a bad o-line hurts your ability to do different things with Vereen. If you want to tell me Andre Williams' usage is related to Ben McAdoo, then he deserves criticism for that. I seriously doubt that's true though.
Maybe just maybe
Because we lost all our TEs this year????
The 31st and 32nd ranked defenses in the NFL were the Saints and Giants.
Torrag : 10:38 am : link : reply
...it's with an eye to making him their OC if the Giants cut him loose in a coaching regime change.
I don't see them looking at Mc as a HC.....
They can have him.
I'd like to see this offense with 2 of these 3 elements fixed. We all saw the difference between Gilbride's O when the personnel was stocked vs depleted... let's see what McAdoo has.
If the Eagles are considering McAdoo for HC, I'd hope the Giants would at least do their due diligence and interview him.
Torrag : 10:38 am : link : reply
...it's with an eye to making him their OC if the Giants cut him loose in a coaching regime change.
I don't see them looking at Mc as a HC.....
Wouldn't the HC hire his own staff?