how hard it is to find good players on the cheap. How hard it is to draft good players in round 3-4-5-6-7. It's next to impossible. Every GM hopes and prays that he can step in shit half the times that Reese has here.
Not every team is the Pats or even the Steelers who seem to never lose great players to long term injury until the guy is 35 fucking years old. Isn't James fucking HArrison STILL making plays for that defense? He's ancient. The Giants are lucky to have a guy make 30 before his body breaks in half and really even that's a stretch. Strahan. Eli. That's IT. Everyone else is toast by 28.
Explain to me how that is Reese's fault and how he's supposed to compensate for that kind of attrition in the cap era. I have news for you, if Reese nailed 4-5-6 more picks the last few years we'd still need a lot of work and still probably be coming off another playoff miss. And if he hit on that many picks his batting average would be off the charts good. Instead it's just good.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at FS. Because it sure looks to me that Reese was hoping one of Jackson, Behre, or Thompson was going to start. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at TE. Because it looks to me like Reese threw a bunch of JAGs names in a hat and let Coughlin pick one. Explain to me the plan at LB. Because it looks like Reese hoped the oft-injured Beason would lead the charge and Reese hoped Spags would wave his magic wand at Casillas or JT Thomas, or Unga and make them into players. I could go on. Explain to me how our FB ends up taking meaningful snaps at DT.
The "Fire Reese" folks just have no grip on reality. Â
I guess it's fair to say Reese has performed his job duties competently.
But for the last four years, Eli has been in his prime and injury free. And paid "elite" status money. Yet, what's been the dividend?
To not be able to assemble the right fitting parts around that, on both sides of the ball, is strong indication that Reese has slipped. And slipped dramatically the wrong way. Letting him keep his job is an insult to the customer base.
how hard it is to find good players on the cheap. How hard it is to draft good players in round 3-4-5-6-7. It's next to impossible. Every GM hopes and prays that he can step in shit half the times that Reese has here.
Not every team is the Pats or even the Steelers who seem to never lose great players to long term injury until the guy is 35 fucking years old. Isn't James fucking HArrison STILL making plays for that defense? He's ancient. The Giants are lucky to have a guy make 30 before his body breaks in half and really even that's a stretch. Strahan. Eli. That's IT. Everyone else is toast by 28.
Explain to me how that is Reese's fault and how he's supposed to compensate for that kind of attrition in the cap era. I have news for you, if Reese nailed 4-5-6 more picks the last few years we'd still need a lot of work and still probably be coming off another playoff miss. And if he hit on that many picks his batting average would be off the charts good. Instead it's just good.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at FS. Because it sure looks to me that Reese was hoping one of Jackson, Behre, or Thompson was going to start. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at TE. Because it looks to me like Reese threw a bunch of JAGs names in a hat and let Coughlin pick one. Explain to me the plan at LB. Because it looks like Reese hoped the oft-injured Beason would lead the charge and Reese hoped Spags would wave his magic wand at Casillas or JT Thomas, or Unga and make them into players. I could go on. Explain to me how our FB ends up taking meaningful snaps at DT.
In case you weren't paying attention, we made attempts to get MCourty, but he stayed with the Pats. Then 4 FS were injured in camp. He then brought in Merriwhether.
Donnell was supposed to take the next step at TE. They can get same production out of mulitple TEs...
That may change with McAdoo, who may value TE more.
too isn't on the hot seat and just because the Giants haven't fired a GM before, doesn't mean they won't ever?! That's just a ridiculous notion that keeps surfacing. Who knows what ownership has told him. They could be giving him 2 years with a new coach to fix this mess or else he's next. Ownership knows that there's a talent void on this team and if this GM can't fix it, I'm completely sure they'll find someone else.
to all the people that killed Accorsi around 2003.
You know who you are. I suspect no one will admit it but you know i'm right.
Right here. I hated Ernie. I have to give him credit for Eli (though as I've said, it's not like he was all on his own in thinking Eli was a potential franchise QB) and some excellent FA signings, but his draft record both with the Browns and the Giants was mixed at best. People blast Reese for the recent OL but forget how awful the OLs Accorsi put together in 2003-04 were.
Ernie's best gifts, as they always have been, lie in his first position in the NFL - PR. Few people are better self-promoters than Ernie Accorsi.
means making sure the people under you are performing their jobs as well.
Marc Ross has not. Chris Mara has not.
In the case of the latter, if the last name is preventing the GM from doing his job, that's a different issue.
Otherwise...
And that's perfectly legitimate. However, I'd say the same thing goes for Coughlin's assistant coaches. His defenders like to gripe about his coordinators as if he weren't the guy who hired them.
bring in a new strength/conditioning staff with an emphasis on preventing injuries. If they do that, and the team still leads the league in injuries in 2016, I'll be shocked.
Bingo, Rob! I would like to see changes to the medical/conditioning staff. Top 3 in the league in injured reserve year after year means something has to change. This killed Coughlin and makes Reese look worse than he is.
As for Reese...he has had bad moments and I think he picks too many "projects" or takes fliers on early round injury prone players but he DID win two trophies and the Beckham/Flowers picks have given him new life. Here's to hoping he hits on some in the coming years as it seems he is here to stay. To clean house that drastically (fire HC and GM) is not the Giants way.
RE: Just because Reese is safe now doesn't mean he Â
too isn't on the hot seat and just because the Giants haven't fired a GM before, doesn't mean they won't ever?! That's just a ridiculous notion that keeps surfacing. Who knows what ownership has told him. They could be giving him 2 years with a new coach to fix this mess or else he's next. Ownership knows that there's a talent void on this team and if this GM can't fix it, I'm completely sure they'll find someone else.
one more thing to think about is, just because the owners didn't fire Reese today doesn't mean it won't happen soon.
how hard it is to find good players on the cheap. How hard it is to draft good players in round 3-4-5-6-7. It's next to impossible. Every GM hopes and prays that he can step in shit half the times that Reese has here.
Not every team is the Pats or even the Steelers who seem to never lose great players to long term injury until the guy is 35 fucking years old. Isn't James fucking HArrison STILL making plays for that defense? He's ancient. The Giants are lucky to have a guy make 30 before his body breaks in half and really even that's a stretch. Strahan. Eli. That's IT. Everyone else is toast by 28.
Explain to me how that is Reese's fault and how he's supposed to compensate for that kind of attrition in the cap era. I have news for you, if Reese nailed 4-5-6 more picks the last few years we'd still need a lot of work and still probably be coming off another playoff miss. And if he hit on that many picks his batting average would be off the charts good. Instead it's just good.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at FS. Because it sure looks to me that Reese was hoping one of Jackson, Behre, or Thompson was going to start. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at TE. Because it looks to me like Reese threw a bunch of JAGs names in a hat and let Coughlin pick one. Explain to me the plan at LB. Because it looks like Reese hoped the oft-injured Beason would lead the charge and Reese hoped Spags would wave his magic wand at Casillas or JT Thomas, or Unga and make them into players. I could go on. Explain to me how our FB ends up taking meaningful snaps at DT.
In case you weren't paying attention, we made attempts to get MCourty, but he stayed with the Pats. Then 4 FS were injured in camp. He then brought in Merriwhether.
Donnell was supposed to take the next step at TE. They can get same production out of mulitple TEs...
That may change with McAdoo, who may value TE more.
I get that we had a ton of injuries at FS. But the backup plan to McCourty seemed to be, "I hope one of these guys works out." That all of them got injured doesn't change the fact that the Giants had no idea how good they were going to be at FS in game 1. Same thing with Donnell. "I hope he takes the next step." That may be fine, but this year, "I hope" seemed to be the backup plan for an awful lot of positions.
too isn't on the hot seat and just because the Giants haven't fired a GM before, doesn't mean they won't ever?! That's just a ridiculous notion that keeps surfacing. Who knows what ownership has told him. They could be giving him 2 years with a new coach to fix this mess or else he's next. Ownership knows that there's a talent void on this team and if this GM can't fix it, I'm completely sure they'll find someone else.
one more thing to think about is, just because the owners didn't fire Reese today doesn't mean it won't happen soon.
The Mara's would never fire an African American GM it would be against every thing they stand for Left Wing Liberal and Catholic. Never, Reese has a job for life. I'm sure Tisch would fire his ass though.
example:
Use any other business for your reference...
Retail manager,
Office manager,
General contractor,
You name it.
Your hiring manager/HR Personel manager continues to hire unqualified employees and you as the Manager are constantly turning over your staff and results are poor. Are there no repercussions for the personel manager?
I hope TC during his meeting name his defensive players...And if he did I hope Mara said Jasper who?
It appears that my dream that I can draft better than Reese, and would be brought in in the TC shuffle, is dashed. But, 10th is not such a bad position, and I will start with the #2WR, who is Odell's twin, after that, Reese and I are not in full agreement. Of course, the new coach need not be consulted.
Reese has done a poor job. Giants have the worst defense in the NFL. Â
Now that TC is gone Reese is on the hot seat and he better deliver. Lombardi could not have gotten any more out of this roster of practice squad players. Take away Eli and Beckham and this teams has a bunch of injured FA and draft busts.
In comment 12737605 BigBlueCane said:
[quote] means making sure the people under you are performing their jobs as well.
Marc Ross has not. Chris Mara has not.
In the case of the latter, if the last name is preventing the GM from doing his job, that's a different issue.
Charles: This was a comment someone made to you quite awhile back. Remember? "These people would screw up a 2-car funeral if left to their own devices." Do you now believe? As I recall, you didn't then."
how hard it is to find good players on the cheap. How hard it is to draft good players in round 3-4-5-6-7. It's next to impossible. Every GM hopes and prays that he can step in shit half the times that Reese has here.
Not every team is the Pats or even the Steelers who seem to never lose great players to long term injury until the guy is 35 fucking years old. Isn't James fucking HArrison STILL making plays for that defense? He's ancient. The Giants are lucky to have a guy make 30 before his body breaks in half and really even that's a stretch. Strahan. Eli. That's IT. Everyone else is toast by 28.
Explain to me how that is Reese's fault and how he's supposed to compensate for that kind of attrition in the cap era. I have news for you, if Reese nailed 4-5-6 more picks the last few years we'd still need a lot of work and still probably be coming off another playoff miss. And if he hit on that many picks his batting average would be off the charts good. Instead it's just good.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at FS. Because it sure looks to me that Reese was hoping one of Jackson, Behre, or Thompson was going to start. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at TE. Because it looks to me like Reese threw a bunch of JAGs names in a hat and let Coughlin pick one. Explain to me the plan at LB. Because it looks like Reese hoped the oft-injured Beason would lead the charge and Reese hoped Spags would wave his magic wand at Casillas or JT Thomas, or Unga and make them into players. I could go on. Explain to me how our FB ends up taking meaningful snaps at DT.
about the OL....Pugh has been average....a first rounder playing like a mid round guy. Flowers has been up and down...Richburg has been very good.....By my math that leaves three spots that could be upgraded.
RE: Imo, I think Reese is gone after 2016 season Â
As I have posted many times, it is not the injuries, but catastrophic career ending/altering injuries that he has dealt with
K. Phillips, S. Smith, J. Alford, T. Thomas, J. Goff, H. Nicks, T. Beckum, C. Sintum, C. Jones, JPP, D. Wilson.
All of these players were 25 & under before suffering career ending/altering injuries.
There is not another NFL franchise that is remotely close to having this happen to them.
It has a cumulative effect - you lose top talent and young depth and then you have to re-draft that or allocate FA resources. Your Plan-A got all F'd up and now Plan B & C are in place but your Plan A elsewhere is messed up.
His FA are generally good when they play. He got snake bit again with Canty & Baas who never missed time until they were with the Giants. Boley was a good player. Harris & Vereen have been good. I think Casillas has value
He has faults - Sintim was a bad pick due to fit. Austin was a huge gamble. Giving Beason money was not good.
He does not miss in rd 1 and generally is very good in round 2. His issue, until recently was his missing on most 3rd rd picks.
This now is the year - he has money and a say in the new coach.
RE: The same people that are bending over backwards Â
Proven coach and a GM that got lucky when Acorsi stepped down. Reese is responsible for the roster and to be honest even the best coach in the league right now or last couple of seasons would of failed.I have a hard time with Coughlin leaving. A depleted roster year after year falls on Reese not Coughlin. Coughlin is the scapegoat but the realing problem falls with the GM
Proven coach and a GM that got lucky when Acorsi stepped down. Reese is responsible for the roster and to be honest even the best coach in the league right now or last couple of seasons would of failed.I have a hard time with Coughlin leaving. A depleted roster year after year falls on Reese not Coughlin. Coughlin is the scapegoat but the realing problem falls with the GM
Ok I am the first to say that Reese definitely has some blame to share in the lack of talent on the roster. But this mindset around here that Reese is some clueless boob who just got lucky is ridiculous..
A GM that got lucky when Accorsi stepped down..
Somehow you ignore the fact that it was Reese who was the director of pro personnel from 2004-2007 and it was Reese who coordinated the Giants’ college scouting, and was in charge of the team’s draft preparation and ran the draft room as the players were selected.
That means Reese was very much a part of the selection of Chris Snee, Reggie Torbor amd Gibril Wilson all players who started on a Superbowl team. I believe it was also reported somewhere that it was Reese who convinced Accorsi that Osi should not be included in any trade for Eli.
This means Reese was also part of the team that selected Corey Webster, Justin Tuck and Brandon Jacobs.
Reese also ran the 2007 draft which produced Aaron Ross, Steve Smith, Jay Alford, Kevin Boss, Michael Johnson, Ahmad Bradshaw, and Zak DeOssie. All players who contributed to a Superbowl.
Also directly responsible for the drafting of JPP, Prince, Nicks, Manningham.
Reese has also found some gems who helped the Giants get to and win Superbowls like Chase Blackburn. Victor Cruz. Jake Ballard. Domenick Hixon, Madison Hedgecock.
Reese has even hit a few times in Free Agency with players like Kavika Mitchell, Rolle, Boley, Deon Grant who all helped win a title and lately DRC who has been the best corner the Giants have had in a while.
You also have to give Reese credit for OBJ and Richburg who look like solid players for years to come.
NOW that being said.. Reese has had some HUGE reaches and some awful bad signings and mistakes.. and is very much responsible for the roster we have now.
However the portrayal of him as some clueless moron is WAY off base..
Reese will get a "honeymoon" year in 2016 with the new coach. Playoffs or not, he'll be back for 2017. If we are still out of the playoffs by then with a QB turning 37, everything gets blown up.
As bad as the injuries have been for TC every year, Reese has been hit with the GM equivalent of it, with young promising careers ending too early. David Wilson, Chad Jones, Kenny Phillips, Steve Smith, Victor Cruz possibly, JPP, etc.
They both deserved to stay.
On the very day the Giants won the Super Bowl in 2012, Â
too isn't on the hot seat and just because the Giants haven't fired a GM before, doesn't mean they won't ever?! That's just a ridiculous notion that keeps surfacing. Who knows what ownership has told him. They could be giving him 2 years with a new coach to fix this mess or else he's next. Ownership knows that there's a talent void on this team and if this GM can't fix it, I'm completely sure they'll find someone else.
one more thing to think about is, just because the owners didn't fire Reese today doesn't mean it won't happen soon.
The Mara's would never fire an African American GM it would be against every thing they stand for Left Wing Liberal and Catholic. Never, Reese has a job for life. I'm sure Tisch would fire his ass though.
This post is my favorite - on a day with plenty of stupid, this went above and beyond the call of duty to impress.
Because you know those crazy Irish Catholic billionaire liberals, they'll do anything for an African American.
The average career length in the NFL is 3.3 years. The average for wide receivers is 2.81 years.
Let's look at the top 15 players in receiving yards in 2011, of whom Cruz and Nicks are a part of. Do you know who the 2 least productive players during 2014/2015 are among that group of 15? Cruz and Nicks. Do you know who're the 2 least productive players on the list of 15 in terms of career receptions? Cruz and Nicks. Here's the crazy part... Nicks is the 3rd youngest in that group of 15 and Cruz is the 5th youngest.
The "average career length" doesn't appear to have affected anyone else in that group of 15 except for Cruz and Nicks. That's bad luck.
not 1 single comment from the Reese defenders about the Giants Â
being ranked 23rd in drafting for the 5 years 2010-2014? The main job of the department he heads has failed in my opinion and that of many others, someone asked for some kind of independent analysis, which I posted on 2 threads, but all you guys can do is make wisecracks and insult those who think Reese is getting a free pass after TC fell on his sword? Brilliant minds.
RE: not 1 single comment from the Reese defenders about the Giants Â
being ranked 23rd in drafting for the 5 years 2010-2014? The main job of the department he heads has failed in my opinion and that of many others, someone asked for some kind of independent analysis, which I posted on 2 threads, but all you guys can do is make wisecracks and insult those who think Reese is getting a free pass after TC fell on his sword? Brilliant minds.
I have said over and over that Reese did a bad job mainly in 2011-2012--those two drafts were misses to say the least. But Wilson may have been a good player if not for injury. Not to absolve him completely but there have been mitigating factors that contributed to the bad drafts. There usually is.
Anyone saying the 2010 draft was poor doesn't know wtf they are talking about. JPP and Joseph played integral parts on a super bowl team. That in itself says that draft was successful.
Yes, Reese had a bad stretch. So did Coughlin. So did Eli in 2013 and parts of 2014 and 2015. No one is exempt here. But the last 3 drafts have looked much better and you can't deny that.
Reese is on watch here and he should be. But I don't think it's foolish to keep him as GM and replace the HC. Any move they made here was risky. Cleaning house is never a good thing if it can be avoided and to say that Reese is a terrible GM while looking at his entire body of work here just spits in the face of reality. Some of you are exaggerating.
RE: RE: not 1 single comment from the Reese defenders about the Giants Â
being ranked 23rd in drafting for the 5 years 2010-2014? The main job of the department he heads has failed in my opinion and that of many others, someone asked for some kind of independent analysis, which I posted on 2 threads, but all you guys can do is make wisecracks and insult those who think Reese is getting a free pass after TC fell on his sword? Brilliant minds.
I have said over and over that Reese did a bad job mainly in 2011-2012--those two drafts were misses to say the least. But Wilson may have been a good player if not for injury. Not to absolve him completely but there have been mitigating factors that contributed to the bad drafts. There usually is.
Anyone saying the 2010 draft was poor doesn't know wtf they are talking about. JPP and Joseph played integral parts on a super bowl team. That in itself says that draft was successful.
Yes, Reese had a bad stretch. So did Coughlin. So did Eli in 2013 and parts of 2014 and 2015. No one is exempt here. But the last 3 drafts have looked much better and you can't deny that.
Reese is on watch here and he should be. But I don't think it's foolish to keep him as GM and replace the HC. Any move they made here was risky. Cleaning house is never a good thing if it can be avoided and to say that Reese is a terrible GM while looking at his entire body of work here just spits in the face of reality. Some of you are exaggerating.
1) the rating is based on the totality of the 5 years
2) Look closely, the last 3 drafts have followed the same Reese pattern: hit in the 1st round, 50/50 in the 2nd, zippo from the 3rd on down.
I get that rd 4 down is always dicey. You have to get lucky and hit some there. But you HAVE to do better in Rounds 2 and 3. The 1st 3 rounds are your premium picks.
In three of his drafts,he had the last or 29th pick in each round. He also extended key guys for the second SB run ,limitng space and compensatory picks. Other teams trade back for extra picks so it's unclear if they are better than us.
Not every team is the Pats or even the Steelers who seem to never lose great players to long term injury until the guy is 35 fucking years old. Isn't James fucking HArrison STILL making plays for that defense? He's ancient. The Giants are lucky to have a guy make 30 before his body breaks in half and really even that's a stretch. Strahan. Eli. That's IT. Everyone else is toast by 28.
Explain to me how that is Reese's fault and how he's supposed to compensate for that kind of attrition in the cap era. I have news for you, if Reese nailed 4-5-6 more picks the last few years we'd still need a lot of work and still probably be coming off another playoff miss. And if he hit on that many picks his batting average would be off the charts good. Instead it's just good.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at FS. Because it sure looks to me that Reese was hoping one of Jackson, Behre, or Thompson was going to start. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at TE. Because it looks to me like Reese threw a bunch of JAGs names in a hat and let Coughlin pick one. Explain to me the plan at LB. Because it looks like Reese hoped the oft-injured Beason would lead the charge and Reese hoped Spags would wave his magic wand at Casillas or JT Thomas, or Unga and make them into players. I could go on. Explain to me how our FB ends up taking meaningful snaps at DT.
They blame the owner(s)- Who is now an idiot.
They blame McAdoo
They blame Spags.
Reese needs to do better. But to discount Reese's 2 Super Bowl rings, is just silly and childish.
But for the last four years, Eli has been in his prime and injury free. And paid "elite" status money. Yet, what's been the dividend?
To not be able to assemble the right fitting parts around that, on both sides of the ball, is strong indication that Reese has slipped. And slipped dramatically the wrong way. Letting him keep his job is an insult to the customer base.
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how hard it is to find good players on the cheap. How hard it is to draft good players in round 3-4-5-6-7. It's next to impossible. Every GM hopes and prays that he can step in shit half the times that Reese has here.
Not every team is the Pats or even the Steelers who seem to never lose great players to long term injury until the guy is 35 fucking years old. Isn't James fucking HArrison STILL making plays for that defense? He's ancient. The Giants are lucky to have a guy make 30 before his body breaks in half and really even that's a stretch. Strahan. Eli. That's IT. Everyone else is toast by 28.
Explain to me how that is Reese's fault and how he's supposed to compensate for that kind of attrition in the cap era. I have news for you, if Reese nailed 4-5-6 more picks the last few years we'd still need a lot of work and still probably be coming off another playoff miss. And if he hit on that many picks his batting average would be off the charts good. Instead it's just good.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at FS. Because it sure looks to me that Reese was hoping one of Jackson, Behre, or Thompson was going to start. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at TE. Because it looks to me like Reese threw a bunch of JAGs names in a hat and let Coughlin pick one. Explain to me the plan at LB. Because it looks like Reese hoped the oft-injured Beason would lead the charge and Reese hoped Spags would wave his magic wand at Casillas or JT Thomas, or Unga and make them into players. I could go on. Explain to me how our FB ends up taking meaningful snaps at DT.
In case you weren't paying attention, we made attempts to get MCourty, but he stayed with the Pats. Then 4 FS were injured in camp. He then brought in Merriwhether.
Donnell was supposed to take the next step at TE. They can get same production out of mulitple TEs...
That may change with McAdoo, who may value TE more.
Marc Ross has not. Chris Mara has not.
In the case of the latter, if the last name is preventing the GM from doing his job, that's a different issue.
Otherwise...
You know who you are. I suspect no one will admit it but you know i'm right.
Right here. I hated Ernie. I have to give him credit for Eli (though as I've said, it's not like he was all on his own in thinking Eli was a potential franchise QB) and some excellent FA signings, but his draft record both with the Browns and the Giants was mixed at best. People blast Reese for the recent OL but forget how awful the OLs Accorsi put together in 2003-04 were.
Ernie's best gifts, as they always have been, lie in his first position in the NFL - PR. Few people are better self-promoters than Ernie Accorsi.
Marc Ross has not. Chris Mara has not.
In the case of the latter, if the last name is preventing the GM from doing his job, that's a different issue.
Otherwise...
And that's perfectly legitimate. However, I'd say the same thing goes for Coughlin's assistant coaches. His defenders like to gripe about his coordinators as if he weren't the guy who hired them.
Bingo, Rob! I would like to see changes to the medical/conditioning staff. Top 3 in the league in injured reserve year after year means something has to change. This killed Coughlin and makes Reese look worse than he is.
As for Reese...he has had bad moments and I think he picks too many "projects" or takes fliers on early round injury prone players but he DID win two trophies and the Beckham/Flowers picks have given him new life. Here's to hoping he hits on some in the coming years as it seems he is here to stay. To clean house that drastically (fire HC and GM) is not the Giants way.
one more thing to think about is, just because the owners didn't fire Reese today doesn't mean it won't happen soon.
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how hard it is to find good players on the cheap. How hard it is to draft good players in round 3-4-5-6-7. It's next to impossible. Every GM hopes and prays that he can step in shit half the times that Reese has here.
Not every team is the Pats or even the Steelers who seem to never lose great players to long term injury until the guy is 35 fucking years old. Isn't James fucking HArrison STILL making plays for that defense? He's ancient. The Giants are lucky to have a guy make 30 before his body breaks in half and really even that's a stretch. Strahan. Eli. That's IT. Everyone else is toast by 28.
Explain to me how that is Reese's fault and how he's supposed to compensate for that kind of attrition in the cap era. I have news for you, if Reese nailed 4-5-6 more picks the last few years we'd still need a lot of work and still probably be coming off another playoff miss. And if he hit on that many picks his batting average would be off the charts good. Instead it's just good.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at FS. Because it sure looks to me that Reese was hoping one of Jackson, Behre, or Thompson was going to start. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at TE. Because it looks to me like Reese threw a bunch of JAGs names in a hat and let Coughlin pick one. Explain to me the plan at LB. Because it looks like Reese hoped the oft-injured Beason would lead the charge and Reese hoped Spags would wave his magic wand at Casillas or JT Thomas, or Unga and make them into players. I could go on. Explain to me how our FB ends up taking meaningful snaps at DT.
In case you weren't paying attention, we made attempts to get MCourty, but he stayed with the Pats. Then 4 FS were injured in camp. He then brought in Merriwhether.
Donnell was supposed to take the next step at TE. They can get same production out of mulitple TEs...
That may change with McAdoo, who may value TE more.
I get that we had a ton of injuries at FS. But the backup plan to McCourty seemed to be, "I hope one of these guys works out." That all of them got injured doesn't change the fact that the Giants had no idea how good they were going to be at FS in game 1. Same thing with Donnell. "I hope he takes the next step." That may be fine, but this year, "I hope" seemed to be the backup plan for an awful lot of positions.
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too isn't on the hot seat and just because the Giants haven't fired a GM before, doesn't mean they won't ever?! That's just a ridiculous notion that keeps surfacing. Who knows what ownership has told him. They could be giving him 2 years with a new coach to fix this mess or else he's next. Ownership knows that there's a talent void on this team and if this GM can't fix it, I'm completely sure they'll find someone else.
one more thing to think about is, just because the owners didn't fire Reese today doesn't mean it won't happen soon.
The Mara's would never fire an African American GM it would be against every thing they stand for Left Wing Liberal and Catholic. Never, Reese has a job for life. I'm sure Tisch would fire his ass though.
Use any other business for your reference...
Retail manager,
Office manager,
General contractor,
You name it.
Your hiring manager/HR Personel manager continues to hire unqualified employees and you as the Manager are constantly turning over your staff and results are poor. Are there no repercussions for the personel manager?
I hope TC during his meeting name his defensive players...And if he did I hope Mara said Jasper who?
[quote] means making sure the people under you are performing their jobs as well.
Marc Ross has not. Chris Mara has not.
In the case of the latter, if the last name is preventing the GM from doing his job, that's a different issue.
Charles: This was a comment someone made to you quite awhile back. Remember? "These people would screw up a 2-car funeral if left to their own devices." Do you now believe? As I recall, you didn't then."
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how hard it is to find good players on the cheap. How hard it is to draft good players in round 3-4-5-6-7. It's next to impossible. Every GM hopes and prays that he can step in shit half the times that Reese has here.
Not every team is the Pats or even the Steelers who seem to never lose great players to long term injury until the guy is 35 fucking years old. Isn't James fucking HArrison STILL making plays for that defense? He's ancient. The Giants are lucky to have a guy make 30 before his body breaks in half and really even that's a stretch. Strahan. Eli. That's IT. Everyone else is toast by 28.
Explain to me how that is Reese's fault and how he's supposed to compensate for that kind of attrition in the cap era. I have news for you, if Reese nailed 4-5-6 more picks the last few years we'd still need a lot of work and still probably be coming off another playoff miss. And if he hit on that many picks his batting average would be off the charts good. Instead it's just good.
I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at FS. Because it sure looks to me that Reese was hoping one of Jackson, Behre, or Thompson was going to start. Explain to me the plan at the beginning of the year at TE. Because it looks to me like Reese threw a bunch of JAGs names in a hat and let Coughlin pick one. Explain to me the plan at LB. Because it looks like Reese hoped the oft-injured Beason would lead the charge and Reese hoped Spags would wave his magic wand at Casillas or JT Thomas, or Unga and make them into players. I could go on. Explain to me how our FB ends up taking meaningful snaps at DT.
well put
Great, then the new GM will want ANOTHER new head coach and Eli gets older. We're at the edge of the abyss boys.
You don't fire a guy like Coughlin with his pedigree.
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Very frustrating turn of events. Makes me sick to my stomach.
I been wrong before, but I really look forward to all the 90% of the BBI eating their words.
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K. Phillips, S. Smith, J. Alford, T. Thomas, J. Goff, H. Nicks, T. Beckum, C. Sintum, C. Jones, JPP, D. Wilson.
All of these players were 25 & under before suffering career ending/altering injuries.
There is not another NFL franchise that is remotely close to having this happen to them.
It has a cumulative effect - you lose top talent and young depth and then you have to re-draft that or allocate FA resources. Your Plan-A got all F'd up and now Plan B & C are in place but your Plan A elsewhere is messed up.
His FA are generally good when they play. He got snake bit again with Canty & Baas who never missed time until they were with the Giants. Boley was a good player. Harris & Vereen have been good. I think Casillas has value
He has faults - Sintim was a bad pick due to fit. Austin was a huge gamble. Giving Beason money was not good.
He does not miss in rd 1 and generally is very good in round 2. His issue, until recently was his missing on most 3rd rd picks.
This now is the year - he has money and a say in the new coach.
The same people blaming Reese sadly don't follow the organization's draft process . . . still.
I believe Coughlin bears a lot of the blame for this mess, notably his inability to correct assess defensive coordinators springs to mind.
However, there is plenty of blame to go around and the situation we have now, has people attempting to deny any blame exists.
Ok I am the first to say that Reese definitely has some blame to share in the lack of talent on the roster. But this mindset around here that Reese is some clueless boob who just got lucky is ridiculous..
A GM that got lucky when Accorsi stepped down..
Somehow you ignore the fact that it was Reese who was the director of pro personnel from 2004-2007 and it was Reese who coordinated the Giants’ college scouting, and was in charge of the team’s draft preparation and ran the draft room as the players were selected.
That means Reese was very much a part of the selection of Chris Snee, Reggie Torbor amd Gibril Wilson all players who started on a Superbowl team. I believe it was also reported somewhere that it was Reese who convinced Accorsi that Osi should not be included in any trade for Eli.
This means Reese was also part of the team that selected Corey Webster, Justin Tuck and Brandon Jacobs.
Reese also ran the 2007 draft which produced Aaron Ross, Steve Smith, Jay Alford, Kevin Boss, Michael Johnson, Ahmad Bradshaw, and Zak DeOssie. All players who contributed to a Superbowl.
Also directly responsible for the drafting of JPP, Prince, Nicks, Manningham.
Reese has also found some gems who helped the Giants get to and win Superbowls like Chase Blackburn. Victor Cruz. Jake Ballard. Domenick Hixon, Madison Hedgecock.
Reese has even hit a few times in Free Agency with players like Kavika Mitchell, Rolle, Boley, Deon Grant who all helped win a title and lately DRC who has been the best corner the Giants have had in a while.
You also have to give Reese credit for OBJ and Richburg who look like solid players for years to come.
NOW that being said.. Reese has had some HUGE reaches and some awful bad signings and mistakes.. and is very much responsible for the roster we have now.
However the portrayal of him as some clueless moron is WAY off base..
They both deserved to stay.
Manningham - 25
Nicks - 24
Ballard - 24
Cruz - 25
4 years later, all of them may be finished. That's horrendous fucking luck.
Manningham - 25
Nicks - 24
Ballard - 24
Cruz - 25
4 years later, all of them may be finished. That's horrendous fucking luck.
Is it?
The average career length in the NFL is 3.3 years. The average for wide receivers is 2.81 years.
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Great. Now I'm even more depressed.
Thanks, dude.
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too isn't on the hot seat and just because the Giants haven't fired a GM before, doesn't mean they won't ever?! That's just a ridiculous notion that keeps surfacing. Who knows what ownership has told him. They could be giving him 2 years with a new coach to fix this mess or else he's next. Ownership knows that there's a talent void on this team and if this GM can't fix it, I'm completely sure they'll find someone else.
one more thing to think about is, just because the owners didn't fire Reese today doesn't mean it won't happen soon.
The Mara's would never fire an African American GM it would be against every thing they stand for Left Wing Liberal and Catholic. Never, Reese has a job for life. I'm sure Tisch would fire his ass though.
This post is my favorite - on a day with plenty of stupid, this went above and beyond the call of duty to impress.
Because you know those crazy Irish Catholic billionaire liberals, they'll do anything for an African American.
What? Young and dumb is preferable to old and smart?
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The fans should demand Jerry Reese's head.
Burn the tickets and let the Maras know this is unacceptable.
I've already stated that the clock should be ticking on Reese. YOu're just a fucking moron who is too dumb to pick up on nuanced positions.
Ah! The 'nuanced positions'. Like 'fence sitting"?
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As Obama is president.
You are why we can't have nice things
Neither got the job done, very polarizing and forced out competent staff.
Let's try to keep it to football. I've seen a few of your posts today so I'm well aware that you're a POS but try to keep the stench down.
Show me where I'm wrong..
C.R. Here's where you're wrong; no one could possibly be that bad.
Is it?
The average career length in the NFL is 3.3 years. The average for wide receivers is 2.81 years.
Let's look at the top 15 players in receiving yards in 2011, of whom Cruz and Nicks are a part of. Do you know who the 2 least productive players during 2014/2015 are among that group of 15? Cruz and Nicks. Do you know who're the 2 least productive players on the list of 15 in terms of career receptions? Cruz and Nicks. Here's the crazy part... Nicks is the 3rd youngest in that group of 15 and Cruz is the 5th youngest.
The "average career length" doesn't appear to have affected anyone else in that group of 15 except for Cruz and Nicks. That's bad luck.
I have said over and over that Reese did a bad job mainly in 2011-2012--those two drafts were misses to say the least. But Wilson may have been a good player if not for injury. Not to absolve him completely but there have been mitigating factors that contributed to the bad drafts. There usually is.
Anyone saying the 2010 draft was poor doesn't know wtf they are talking about. JPP and Joseph played integral parts on a super bowl team. That in itself says that draft was successful.
Yes, Reese had a bad stretch. So did Coughlin. So did Eli in 2013 and parts of 2014 and 2015. No one is exempt here. But the last 3 drafts have looked much better and you can't deny that.
Reese is on watch here and he should be. But I don't think it's foolish to keep him as GM and replace the HC. Any move they made here was risky. Cleaning house is never a good thing if it can be avoided and to say that Reese is a terrible GM while looking at his entire body of work here just spits in the face of reality. Some of you are exaggerating.
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being ranked 23rd in drafting for the 5 years 2010-2014? The main job of the department he heads has failed in my opinion and that of many others, someone asked for some kind of independent analysis, which I posted on 2 threads, but all you guys can do is make wisecracks and insult those who think Reese is getting a free pass after TC fell on his sword? Brilliant minds.
I have said over and over that Reese did a bad job mainly in 2011-2012--those two drafts were misses to say the least. But Wilson may have been a good player if not for injury. Not to absolve him completely but there have been mitigating factors that contributed to the bad drafts. There usually is.
Anyone saying the 2010 draft was poor doesn't know wtf they are talking about. JPP and Joseph played integral parts on a super bowl team. That in itself says that draft was successful.
Yes, Reese had a bad stretch. So did Coughlin. So did Eli in 2013 and parts of 2014 and 2015. No one is exempt here. But the last 3 drafts have looked much better and you can't deny that.
Reese is on watch here and he should be. But I don't think it's foolish to keep him as GM and replace the HC. Any move they made here was risky. Cleaning house is never a good thing if it can be avoided and to say that Reese is a terrible GM while looking at his entire body of work here just spits in the face of reality. Some of you are exaggerating.
1) the rating is based on the totality of the 5 years
2) Look closely, the last 3 drafts have followed the same Reese pattern: hit in the 1st round, 50/50 in the 2nd, zippo from the 3rd on down.
I get that rd 4 down is always dicey. You have to get lucky and hit some there. But you HAVE to do better in Rounds 2 and 3. The 1st 3 rounds are your premium picks.