However, in the words of Eric Cartman, Fuck, Fuckity, Fuck, Fuck, Fuck.
Some heads better roll under Jerry Reese and he had better have his FA cap on this spring because it's go time.
I think it is absolutely disgraceful for TC to take the fall for the ineptitude of this team the past few years while JR gets to keep his seat in the ivory tower.
I hope TC continues to coach in the NFL and achieves tremendous success.
This team blew four or five late 4th quarter leads due, in large part, to coaching blunders. As bad as the personnel may be (and it is bad), Reese can say that with even mediocre coaching this season, the team is at least 10-6 and headed for the playoffs.
Force out one of the franchise's most successful head coaches, give a pass to the guy who decided that Marshall Newhouse would be an okay right tackle.
The blown 4th quarters were awful this year, but there's not going to be a coach who can get this shit roster to even keep games close coming through the door.
I have a inkling that Reese tried to right the ship by taking control of the the steering wheel the past few years after seeing the ship plummeting with Ross captaining the draft.
Look at the types of players the past two years that were selected, much more in line with 2007 selections... more leadership, captain, passion-type qualities... as opposed to the drafts that were manned by Ross -- soft players emotionally and physically, non vocal, laissez faire, and not long for the Giants or NFL.
I can see the Giants keeping and promoting McAdoo, they value him highly and better to grow with him too early than losing him if they don't want to see him out the door. Also I think the calculation here is that they like Spags as well, and he's not going to be a hot HC candidate. So if anything you promote McAdoo to keep the continuity with Spags, and Spags can be McAdoo's Dick Lebeau, a long timer at DC if we can address the talent situation.
The only scenario I see a coordinator being forced on a coach is if Cowher comes in I can see BM continuing on if they can convince BM he is the heir apparent, but that's not as clear so if they like him later, might as well like him now.
This team blew four or five late 4th quarter leads due, in large part, to coaching blunders. As bad as the personnel may be (and it is bad), Reese can say that with even mediocre coaching this season, the team is at least 10-6 and headed for the playoffs.
Simple as that.
Yup.. And not coming off a bye and shitting the bed, like this team always do!! Washington was a quarter away from pitching a damn shutout. The talent is bad. But the coaching has been worse. And it didn't just start this season
Two of the defensive starters who might start for a playoff caliber team.
Who's left as a defensive starter who could start on a good team? DRC and Hankins. Not sure about Hankins yet. He has missed 12 of 48 games with injuries.
Collins can tackle at least. He might turn into a good player. Moore showed some potential as a pass rusher, but he's gone.
This could be the start of a new dark age like that of the 70s when the defense was soft as cotton and 17 years went by without a winning record.
Tom is infinitely better at his job than Jerry is at his.
but one of the main reasons the Giants fell apart after 2011 (and one of the reasons they almost missed the playoffs in 2011) was because the offensive line completely fell apart after 2010. It has been five freaking years, and the line is still only half fixed. Any front office that can't fix a personnel problem in five years is not going to have success in the NFL.
Philly jamming it up our ass wouldn't be any change from Coughlin's tenure.
Philly is a terrible job for Coughlin because of the fact the Eagles are in need now of a multi year retool. He'd also kill any goodwill with the Giants or the fanbase by taking the Eagles job.
They are almost as weak on the lines as we are. In fact I would argue their offensive line is worse much worse than ours.
every single freaking team in the NFL routinely misses on draft picks - especially 3-7. All the anti Reese crowd keeps pointing out the failed draft picks, and forgets about the multiple coaching brain farts over the past several years! What kind of coach send the punt team out on 4th and two from the other teams 40 yard line down 35-7? Eli waves them back. Does that game get to 35-35 if they punt there? How many games need to be mis-manged at the end??? Isn't that a little easier than hitting on a 5th round draft pick? How many 5-7 round draft picks are in the league???
With marginally better coaching this year, the team is 10-6, with the same talent. Let's see if next years DC starts Markus Kuhn!
The guy gets absolutely crushed around here and no one wants to even give the guy credit for 05-2011. It's as if he didn't even exist back then. All he did was fail here. Except that is false.
It's fair to acknowledge that Reese and mgmt made some mistakes from around 2011 2012--more than usual, but they were also victimized by some bad luck. And the guy did a fantastic job earlier in his career both as a GM and as the personnel guy. Reese clearly knows what he's doing even if he did fail for a few years.
To sit here and act like Reese is a buffoon with no pelts on his wall just spits in the face of reality. And saying stupid shit like "he believed in Newhouse at RT" is just utter nonsense. HE gave the guy peanuts when there were no other options available. In case you fucking apes forgot, BEATTY GOT FUCKING HURT! Hello?
I give up...just bash the guy and wax poetic about Accorsi who was public enemy #1 before Fassel even got fired.
every single freaking team in the NFL routinely misses on draft picks - especially 3-7. All the anti Reese crowd keeps pointing out the failed draft picks, and forgets about the multiple coaching brain farts over the past several years! What kind of coach send the punt team out on 4th and two from the other teams 40 yard line down 35-7? Eli waves them back. Does that game get to 35-35 if they punt there? How many games need to be mis-manged at the end??? Isn't that a little easier than hitting on a 5th round draft pick? How many 5-7 round draft picks are in the league???
With marginally better coaching this year, the team is 10-6, with the same talent. Let's see if next years DC starts Markus Kuhn!
They're both responsible, which is what the majority of people here are saying. It's only the biased people towards one of these two guys that can't seem to handle it and are comparing them to past coaches and past GMs because they're all butt-hurt about it. Reese and Coughlin had an awful past 4 years. THEY are responsible more than anyone else. Deal with that, people.
and acknowledge progress, as limited as it may be then you're just fucking blind. The OL is in fine shape going forward and really just needs one more live body and some maturation to gel into an elite unit. The WR is HOF caliber. There's some young pieces on this team that will be part of the solution and there's ample cap space.
Ok some of his FA moves were shaky. Schwartz hasn't panned out but you can't blame Reese for signing the guy. HE got hurt. It happens.
If we still suck this time next year or show no progress and we strike out or hand out bad contracts in the coming FA period ok fine, kill Reese but until then STFU--it's not easy to maintain a winning model in today's NFL especially when you factor in the obscene amount of career ending injuries this team suffered. Explain to me how drafting Mario Manningham and Nicks and Steve Smith and Phillips and finding Cruz were dumb moves? How can you blame the GM when good young players go down for good due to injury and the team can't bounce back overnight?
Watch the niners suck ass for another two years. Tell me that mgmt over there forgot how to find talent. They didn't they are simply under siege with injuries and or retirements. Shit happens.
There are many reasons why JR should be gone, but the most glaring problem is the way he wasted cap $ on JJ and MN on the rt. side of the O-line. These guys should be at home working somewhere where all they need to do is ask `Want fries with that`. Two butterballs side by side. It is miracle Eli is alive. The worst part is that the player that JJ replaced was as bad as them and we still have him for 2 more years. JR should not be allow to be involved in the draft or free agent signings. Maybe if he keeps his nose clean they could allow him to clean the mens rooms in the owners suite. What a douche.
every single freaking team in the NFL routinely misses on draft picks - especially 3-7. All the anti Reese crowd keeps pointing out the failed draft picks, and forgets about the multiple coaching brain farts over the past several years! What kind of coach send the punt team out on 4th and two from the other teams 40 yard line down 35-7? Eli waves them back. Does that game get to 35-35 if they punt there? How many games need to be mis-manged at the end??? Isn't that a little easier than hitting on a 5th round draft pick? How many 5-7 round draft picks are in the league???
With marginally better coaching this year, the team is 10-6, with the same talent. Let's see if next years DC starts Markus Kuhn!
then why are all the ex players going in on the Front Office. Shaun O'Hara, Toomer, Snee (i know he has obligations). Are going on social media destroying the teams roster.
how hard it is to find good players on the cheap. How hard it is to draft good players in round 3-4-5-6-7. It's next to impossible. Every GM hopes and prays that he can step in shit half the times that Reese has here.
Not every team is the Pats or even the Steelers who seem to never lose great players to long term injury until the guy is 35 fucking years old. Isn't James fucking HArrison STILL making plays for that defense? He's ancient. The Giants are lucky to have a guy make 30 before his body breaks in half and really even that's a stretch. Strahan. Eli. That's IT. Everyone else is toast by 28.
Explain to me how that is Reese's fault and how he's supposed to compensate for that kind of attrition in the cap era. I have news for you, if Reese nailed 4-5-6 more picks the last few years we'd still need a lot of work and still probably be coming off another playoff miss. And if he hit on that many picks his batting average would be off the charts good. Instead it's just good.
The guy gets absolutely crushed around here and no one wants to even give the guy credit for 05-2011. It's as if he didn't even exist back then. All he did was fail here. Except that is false.
It's fair to acknowledge that Reese and mgmt made some mistakes from around 2011 2012--more than usual, but they were also victimized by some bad luck. And the guy did a fantastic job earlier in his career both as a GM and as the personnel guy. Reese clearly knows what he's doing even if he did fail for a few years.
To sit here and act like Reese is a buffoon with no pelts on his wall just spits in the face of reality. And saying stupid shit like "he believed in Newhouse at RT" is just utter nonsense. HE gave the guy peanuts when there were no other options available. In case you fucking apes forgot, BEATTY GOT FUCKING HURT! Hello?
I give up...just bash the guy and wax poetic about Accorsi who was public enemy #1 before Fassel even got fired.
Force out one of the franchise's most successful head coaches, give a pass to the guy who decided that Marshall Newhouse would be an okay right tackle.
Marshall Newhouse is "okay" at right tackle. Not great, not even good but "okay."
Contracts like Beason and Schwartz are not progress. Alot of the draft picks, as well. Stop.
If you don't think this team is better off than 2013 and even 2012 then I don't know what to say. You may not see it but I do. This team is closer to 11 wins than the 2012 team was. Young team with cap space is a good thing.
And the Giants will recover from the Beason and Schwartz signing and don't tell me you knew that Schwartz was going to be hurt all the time here. No one knew that. Beason....yes.
We have one of the least talented teams in the NFL and maybe the worst talented defense in modern NFL history. The GM and scouting need to be taken to task on that. They have provided shit on defense and mediocrity on many offensive positions. It is only because of the coaching prep that we were in any games this year. No talent. Every single person that knows football sees that. It wasn't on both; it wasn't on both it was on the GM.
But in the typical Giants fashion we make a move that is mind bogglingly stupid. I don't know why; but was was stupid. We were one of the few teams in the NFL with a HoF coach and HoF QB. Miraculously, we had that. We also had fuckups at the GM scouting side but that could have been fixed. Keep the HoF HC and QB together; it is a rare thing. Get somene to scout and choose better players. That was the good move.
Some heads better roll under Jerry Reese and he had better have his FA cap on this spring because it's go time.
I think it is absolutely disgraceful for TC to take the fall for the ineptitude of this team the past few years while JR gets to keep his seat in the ivory tower.
I hope TC continues to coach in the NFL and achieves tremendous success.
Simple as that.
He didn't build the 2007 team
Reese has definitely shit the bed recently, but let's be honest, he would get a job in 5 minutes if he got fired.
The blown 4th quarters were awful this year, but there's not going to be a coach who can get this shit roster to even keep games close coming through the door.
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Reese should be allowed to have a say in his new coach. GMs that build two championship teams don't grow on trees
He didn't build the 2007 team
Coulda fooled me. He certainly was a major help. Was head of scouting in the years prior and put together an excellent draft in 2007.
Fans should go HARD at Reese and demand his head.
Fans should go HARD at Reese and demand his head.
He need to relax. Go get laid or something.
if it wasn't for the 07 draft Reese provided , the Giants dont win the superbowl 07
but yea be sure to leave that out of your argument..
The Giants only look at who is best suited to lead the team forward. That's all.
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Reese should be allowed to have a say in his new coach. GMs that build two championship teams don't grow on trees
He didn't build the 2007 team
Coulda fooled me. He certainly was a major help. Was head of scouting in the years prior and put together an excellent draft in 2007.
Then the head of scouting should get credit for 2011.
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apparently don't get fired.
if it wasn't for the 07 draft Reese provided , the Giants dont win the superbowl 07
but yea be sure to leave that out of your argument..
Same can be said for Acorsi's 2005 FA class.
They've done it without him
Philly jamming it up our ass wouldn't be any change from Coughlin's tenure.
Look at the types of players the past two years that were selected, much more in line with 2007 selections... more leadership, captain, passion-type qualities... as opposed to the drafts that were manned by Ross -- soft players emotionally and physically, non vocal, laissez faire, and not long for the Giants or NFL.
I can see the Giants keeping and promoting McAdoo, they value him highly and better to grow with him too early than losing him if they don't want to see him out the door. Also I think the calculation here is that they like Spags as well, and he's not going to be a hot HC candidate. So if anything you promote McAdoo to keep the continuity with Spags, and Spags can be McAdoo's Dick Lebeau, a long timer at DC if we can address the talent situation.
The only scenario I see a coordinator being forced on a coach is if Cowher comes in I can see BM continuing on if they can convince BM he is the heir apparent, but that's not as clear so if they like him later, might as well like him now.
Simple as that.
Yup.. And not coming off a bye and shitting the bed, like this team always do!! Washington was a quarter away from pitching a damn shutout. The talent is bad. But the coaching has been worse. And it didn't just start this season
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Philly jamming it up our ass wouldn't be any change from Coughlin's tenure.
Yeah, kinda doubt they'll fall over themselves to hire the guy they've owned.
What a great day this turned out to be
Who's left as a defensive starter who could start on a good team? DRC and Hankins. Not sure about Hankins yet. He has missed 12 of 48 games with injuries.
Collins can tackle at least. He might turn into a good player. Moore showed some potential as a pass rusher, but he's gone.
This could be the start of a new dark age like that of the 70s when the defense was soft as cotton and 17 years went by without a winning record.
If Giants hire Cowher he will want a defense that can attack all angles on the field but especially athletic LBers who can blitz, cover etc.
We don't have a single stable dependable LBer right now never mind one that is good.
And then the Giants will dominate Philly,, like Philly has been dominating the Giants.
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and jam it up our ass
Philly jamming it up our ass wouldn't be any change from Coughlin's tenure.
Philly is a terrible job for Coughlin because of the fact the Eagles are in need now of a multi year retool. He'd also kill any goodwill with the Giants or the fanbase by taking the Eagles job.
They are almost as weak on the lines as we are. In fact I would argue their offensive line is worse much worse than ours.
You know who you are. I suspect no one will admit it but you know i'm right.
With marginally better coaching this year, the team is 10-6, with the same talent. Let's see if next years DC starts Markus Kuhn!
The guy gets absolutely crushed around here and no one wants to even give the guy credit for 05-2011. It's as if he didn't even exist back then. All he did was fail here. Except that is false.
It's fair to acknowledge that Reese and mgmt made some mistakes from around 2011 2012--more than usual, but they were also victimized by some bad luck. And the guy did a fantastic job earlier in his career both as a GM and as the personnel guy. Reese clearly knows what he's doing even if he did fail for a few years.
To sit here and act like Reese is a buffoon with no pelts on his wall just spits in the face of reality. And saying stupid shit like "he believed in Newhouse at RT" is just utter nonsense. HE gave the guy peanuts when there were no other options available. In case you fucking apes forgot, BEATTY GOT FUCKING HURT! Hello?
I give up...just bash the guy and wax poetic about Accorsi who was public enemy #1 before Fassel even got fired.
With marginally better coaching this year, the team is 10-6, with the same talent. Let's see if next years DC starts Markus Kuhn!
They're both responsible, which is what the majority of people here are saying. It's only the biased people towards one of these two guys that can't seem to handle it and are comparing them to past coaches and past GMs because they're all butt-hurt about it. Reese and Coughlin had an awful past 4 years. THEY are responsible more than anyone else. Deal with that, people.
Ok some of his FA moves were shaky. Schwartz hasn't panned out but you can't blame Reese for signing the guy. HE got hurt. It happens.
If we still suck this time next year or show no progress and we strike out or hand out bad contracts in the coming FA period ok fine, kill Reese but until then STFU--it's not easy to maintain a winning model in today's NFL especially when you factor in the obscene amount of career ending injuries this team suffered. Explain to me how drafting Mario Manningham and Nicks and Steve Smith and Phillips and finding Cruz were dumb moves? How can you blame the GM when good young players go down for good due to injury and the team can't bounce back overnight?
Watch the niners suck ass for another two years. Tell me that mgmt over there forgot how to find talent. They didn't they are simply under siege with injuries and or retirements. Shit happens.
With marginally better coaching this year, the team is 10-6, with the same talent. Let's see if next years DC starts Markus Kuhn!
then why are all the ex players going in on the Front Office. Shaun O'Hara, Toomer, Snee (i know he has obligations). Are going on social media destroying the teams roster.
Not every team is the Pats or even the Steelers who seem to never lose great players to long term injury until the guy is 35 fucking years old. Isn't James fucking HArrison STILL making plays for that defense? He's ancient. The Giants are lucky to have a guy make 30 before his body breaks in half and really even that's a stretch. Strahan. Eli. That's IT. Everyone else is toast by 28.
Explain to me how that is Reese's fault and how he's supposed to compensate for that kind of attrition in the cap era. I have news for you, if Reese nailed 4-5-6 more picks the last few years we'd still need a lot of work and still probably be coming off another playoff miss. And if he hit on that many picks his batting average would be off the charts good. Instead it's just good.
Reese has no more excuses or whipping boys. Unfortunately by the time he gets canned it will be to late.
1970's here we come again
The guy gets absolutely crushed around here and no one wants to even give the guy credit for 05-2011. It's as if he didn't even exist back then. All he did was fail here. Except that is false.
It's fair to acknowledge that Reese and mgmt made some mistakes from around 2011 2012--more than usual, but they were also victimized by some bad luck. And the guy did a fantastic job earlier in his career both as a GM and as the personnel guy. Reese clearly knows what he's doing even if he did fail for a few years.
To sit here and act like Reese is a buffoon with no pelts on his wall just spits in the face of reality. And saying stupid shit like "he believed in Newhouse at RT" is just utter nonsense. HE gave the guy peanuts when there were no other options available. In case you fucking apes forgot, BEATTY GOT FUCKING HURT! Hello?
I give up...just bash the guy and wax poetic about Accorsi who was public enemy #1 before Fassel even got fired.
Truth
Marshall Newhouse is "okay" at right tackle. Not great, not even good but "okay."
His contract is also a bargain.
If you don't think this team is better off than 2013 and even 2012 then I don't know what to say. You may not see it but I do. This team is closer to 11 wins than the 2012 team was. Young team with cap space is a good thing.
And the Giants will recover from the Beason and Schwartz signing and don't tell me you knew that Schwartz was going to be hurt all the time here. No one knew that. Beason....yes.
But in the typical Giants fashion we make a move that is mind bogglingly stupid. I don't know why; but was was stupid. We were one of the few teams in the NFL with a HoF coach and HoF QB. Miraculously, we had that. We also had fuckups at the GM scouting side but that could have been fixed. Keep the HoF HC and QB together; it is a rare thing. Get somene to scout and choose better players. That was the good move.