Has offensive line coach pedigree I believe so the running game would possibly benefit. Has NCAA Head Coaching experience. Reports are he didn't handle his opt out in Buffalo well. The Jets interviewed him but passed after he bailed on the Bills.
Worst case scenarios for me personally, might be a little ignorant but I want a big name to replace TC or someone in house ala spaggs or mcadoo for one or two years
Marrone did a very good job with very little in Buffalo. He opted out in the midst of a very tenuous ownership situation and looked pretty arrogant in doing so. He thought he would walk into another, better paying job and thought wrong.
If he's getting a call this quick, the Giants have vetted him and like him.
Remember this is the same ownership who hired Coughlin, so I'd be careful bitching about their ability to evaluate head coaches.
Doug Marrone, assistant head coach, Jacksonville Jaguars
Age: 51
NFL head-coaching record: 15-17 (Buffalo Bills, 2013-14)
Possible fits: New Orleans Saints, Detroit Lions, Cleveland Browns
The buzz around Marrone: It's not like the issues that Marrone had at the end in Buffalo have disappeared, but he brings six years of experience as a head coach (four at Syracuse, two at Buffalo) to the table and would be able to assemble a strong staff, given his ties to the Bill Parcells coaching tree. If Sean Payton decides he doesn't have the stomach for a rebuild and leaves the Saints, Marrone likely would be near the top of the list, given his history in New Orleans and strong relationship with general manager Mickey Loomis. Marrone also interviewed with the Browns and Eagles in 2013 before landing in Buffalo. And if Jags director of player personnel Chris Polian winds up being the GM in Detroit, which is possible, Marrone's ties to the Polian family could help him. Good quick reference - ( New Window )
did anyone watch this past year? Curses like a sailor .. but is a hard nosed guy that seems to have a sensible, simple approach to the game. I liked the way he handled the team, on camera anyway. Has a sense of humor and is relateable on many levels. Did I mention he curses like a sailor?
did anyone watch this past year? Curses like a sailor .. but is a hard nosed guy that seems to have a sensible, simple approach to the game. I liked the way he handled the team, on camera anyway. Has a sense of humor and is relateable on many levels. Did I mention he curses like a sailor?
You have him confused with Bill O'Brien. The Texans were on Hard
Knocks, Marrone coached with Jacksonville this season.
At this stage just have the short list color which has been accurate from yesterday morning- no edge or feedback outside of that.
My opinion means little- and I don't have a strong one yet as still digesting the coughlin departure. For me it's about what staff the guy can assemble- if I get any further feedback along the way that is original I will continue to subtlety relay.
He would be a much better choice than many or most of the names being thrown around, including Chucky and Cowher who have been away from the sidelines too long. He's also got the Head Coaching experience in the NFL that guys like McAdoo, Gase, and McDermott lack, and with the success that Spagnolo and McDaniels didn't have.
Marrone is a former NFL offensive lineman, and he understands that games are won and lost in the trenches, a concept that apparently escapes Jerry Reese. He's a no bullshit coach.
Marrone did a pretty decent job as Head Coach at Syracuse, where he had Nassib, Pugh, and Bromley on his team. That led to the Buffalo Bills Head Coaching job.
He got Buffalo above the .500 mark with tired retread Kyle Orton at QB, and had an outstanding defense, both of which are better than Rex Ryan did with Buffalo this year.
Then he exercised his contract option to leave the Bills when the team was sold. Exactly why is not known, but it is clear that it was his decision to go. There was a lot of speculation that he wasn't getting along with Buffalo GM Doug Whaley, who is apparently clashing with Ryan, too, but nobody knows the real story.
He spent last season as OL Coach / Assistant Head Coach at Jax, a team that is doing a little better recently. I have to think that he has had a little something to do with that.
Marrone has inroads on multiple coaching trees. As a member of Payton's staff, he has connections to Bill Parcells, who was a leading voice recommending him over the past week. Bill Belichick is Parcells' most notable assistant, but others include Tom Coughlin, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini and Tony Sparano. Through Edwards he has access to Marty Schottenheimer's tree, which includes Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher, Lovie Smith, Ken Whisenhunt, Marvin Lewis and Wade Phillips. Don't underestimate the number of people O'Leary worked with, either. He has had a long coaching career and an affinity for Marrone.
Most of the connections are tenuous but they matter in a good ole boys club like the NFL coaching community when you are building a staff.
Marrone didn't pass on Nassib - Doug Whaley passed on Nassib.
Whaley is heavily invested in E.J. Manuel, who he chose over Nassib, a choice that I personally believe was a very, very bad one.
For the record, Manuel was benched last year in favor of retread Kyle Orton, and relegated to the bench this year by Matt Cassell, then Tyrod Taylor who was brought in by Rex Ryan.
Maronne seems like a guy cut out of the TC mold...and if TC recommends him, and if he's willing to keep McAdoo... it might not be as bad as it sounds initially.
For one an ex-Syracuse guy. Now that TC is gone I would like to get away from the Syracuse and BC guys.
Secondly he put up good numbers in Buffalo but they weren't great and he broke his contract because he thought he was getting a better job. (jets). I don't want someone looking for other opportunities Not many NFL jobs. He had one and let it go. Wouldn't be in my top 3
But pros are
1. He is well respected in coaching circles
2. He won 9 games in the AFC East with Kyle Orton as the Bills QB
3. Had the good sense to hire a good and proven defensive coordinator
4. He prioritizes OL play and protection of the QB
5. Modern offensive mind, emphasizes balance and getting the ball into the hands of playmakers
6. Has been pretty impressive getting results with average talent (Syracuse and Buffalo)
Cons
1. He handled the Buffalo press very poorly. Has to be concern in the NY market
2. Not known for a warm fuzzy side (good or bad I suppose)
3. Over played his hand with the new ownership in Buffalo. Almost like he was forcing his way out
4. Exhibited a tendency of expecting to be treated like a winning coach without having established a reputation as a winning coach.
RE: If he brings a defense like the one he had in Buffalo
Has offensive line coach pedigree I believe so the running game would possibly benefit. Has NCAA Head Coaching experience. Reports are he didn't handle his opt out in Buffalo well. The Jets interviewed him but passed after he bailed on the Bills.
Here's what I recall. He was thought to be very talented, but authoritarian, and lacking some serious social skill. He felt persecuted. He was peculiar. TC had issues too, but he had the self awareness and brains to fix it, I'm not so sure about this guy.
Has offensive line coach pedigree I believe so the running game would possibly benefit. Has NCAA Head Coaching experience. Reports are he didn't handle his opt out in Buffalo well. The Jets interviewed him but passed after he bailed on the Bills.
Here's what I recall. He was thought to be very talented, but authoritarian, and lacking some serious social skill. He felt persecuted. He was peculiar. TC had issues too, but he had the self awareness and brains to fix it, I'm not so sure about this guy.
Dave, that jives with what I heard too
RE: RE: If he brings a defense like the one he had in Buffalo
Has offensive line coach pedigree I believe so the running game would possibly benefit. Has NCAA Head Coaching experience. Reports are he didn't handle his opt out in Buffalo well. The Jets interviewed him but passed after he bailed on the Bills.
Here's what I recall. He was thought to be very talented, but authoritarian, and lacking some serious social skill. He felt persecuted. He was peculiar. TC had issues too, but he had the self awareness and brains to fix it, I'm not so sure about this guy.
Dave, that jives with what I heard too
Ya Emil. I just read your post and was comment on that too.
Has offensive line coach pedigree I believe so the running game would possibly benefit. Has NCAA Head Coaching experience. Reports are he didn't handle his opt out in Buffalo well. The Jets interviewed him but passed after he bailed on the Bills.
Here's what I recall. He was thought to be very talented, but authoritarian, and lacking some serious social skill. He felt persecuted. He was peculiar. TC had issues too, but he had the self awareness and brains to fix it, I'm not so sure about this guy.
Dave, that jives with what I heard too
Ya Emil. I just read your post and was comment on that too.
He is so hard to assess. I think he has great abilities, but he just seemed to sabotage himself with the way he handled the press and in some cases the players. I never got the feeling that the Bills players really cared for him one way or another.
the more information from outside the organization the better.
Bill Polian made this very point on NFL radio today. It's an old Al Davis move, bring in several guys, not because you actually intend to hire one of them but rather to get an informed and valued third-party opinion of your team.
the more information from outside the organization the better.
Bill Polian made this very point on NFL radio today. It's an old Al Davis move, bring in several guys, not because you actually intend to hire one of them but rather to get an informed and valued third-party opinion of your team.
Are mad at him for opting out. It's not like he opted out for no reason. The Bills were dumb for including it in his contract. He got paid 4 million to opt out. Plus he could still get paid at a different job. I know damn well if my job said they'd pay me 4 million to leave then I would lol
Brought in a good defensive staff. The Bills were #1 in sacks, #3 in takeaways, #4 in total yards allowed & points allowed.
Went 9-7 with Kyle Orton & EJ Manuel at QB. An old Fred Jackson as the top RB & a rookie #1 WR. With a bunch of scrubs on offense. Boobie Dixon, CJ Spiller, Scott Chandler, Robert Woods & Chris Hogan. Plus a mediocre offensive line. That was much worse after he left.
He would be a much better choice than many or most of the names being thrown around, including Chucky and Cowher who have been away from the sidelines too long. He's also got the Head Coaching experience in the NFL that guys like McAdoo, Gase, and McDermott lack, and with the success that Spagnolo and McDaniels didn't have.
Marrone is a former NFL offensive lineman, and he understands that games are won and lost in the trenches, a concept that apparently escapes Jerry Reese. He's a no bullshit coach.
Marrone did a pretty decent job as Head Coach at Syracuse, where he had Nassib, Pugh, and Bromley on his team. That led to the Buffalo Bills Head Coaching job.
He got Buffalo above the .500 mark with tired retread Kyle Orton at QB, and had an outstanding defense, both of which are better than Rex Ryan did with Buffalo this year.
Then he exercised his contract option to leave the Bills when the team was sold. Exactly why is not known, but it is clear that it was his decision to go. There was a lot of speculation that he wasn't getting along with Buffalo GM Doug Whaley, who is apparently clashing with Ryan, too, but nobody knows the real story.
He spent last season as OL Coach / Assistant Head Coach at Jax, a team that is doing a little better recently. I have to think that he has had a little something to do with that.
I think he has a solid body of work. Cute little dig at Reese, I guess spending 1st and 2nd round picks on Flowers, Richburg, Pugh, and Beatty shows he doesn't value OL at all. There's a chance our coaching staff has not been getting the most out of that unit.
But, that has more to do with his and Mara's comments and the fact that he seems to be getting a pass by the organization.
But, the constant comments that he ignores the OL are getting tired. he has done anything but. 3 years in a row, he spent either a first or second round pick on the OL. All 3 guys started from day one. Some of his OL FA signings didn't work out. But, stop pretending in retrospect that they weren't guys that were near the top of the list of FAs. Baas sucked, mostly because he didn't stay healthy. The same with Schwartz. But, both were signings that critics liked...if they stayed healthy. If anything, we can say he took too many chances on guys with injury pasts. But, he went after guys that critics thought were good players. Jerry sucked last year because he was forced to start every game, which is not what he was signed for. This year, he did a decent job. The same can be said for Newhouse. Both were brought here to be veteran depth and both were forced to start an entire season. That is not on them or Reese.
RE: He had an opt out written into his contract. That's not the same as
Quitting. Players with opt out clauses aren't branded as quitters. Why is this different?
a) who would want a coach that has an opt out written into his contract? (b) who would want to hire a coach that employed such an opt out after 1 year?.
A thin body of work and a quitter looking for the exit before he starts the job. Would you hire such a guy to work in your business? Pass.
RE: RE: He had an opt out written into his contract. That's not the same as
Quitting. Players with opt out clauses aren't branded as quitters. Why is this different?
a) who would want a coach that has an opt out written into his contract? (b) who would want to hire a coach that employed such an opt out after 1 year?.
A thin body of work and a quitter looking for the exit before he starts the job. Would you hire such a guy to work in your business? Pass.
Buffalo could have been a hotbed of distraction with a new owner possibly entertaining a move to Toronto. Change of ownership is actually a very valid reason to opt out. The new guy could be Jerry Jones. The new guy could not see eye to eye philosophically. The new guy might be more hands on than any coach would want to deal with.
The person who hired him gave him the out clause, so we can assume
They wanted him for the job badly enough to grant his desire to have that clause.
It was a specific out clause only made possible by the fact that team ownership changed. He didn't just up and leave town like bobby petrino.
Exactly, it was a clause written into the contract because of the Bills very uncertain future during Marrone's hiring.
Marrone did over achieve in Buffalo given the offensive talent he had. Rex Ryan had far more talent on offense and the same talent on defense this year and finished 8-8. Sammy Watkins was very much a rookie in 2014 and was hurt most of the year. Spiller and Jackson were hurt most of the year two. When Scott Chandler and Robert Woods are your best offensive weapons, and you win 9 games, you are doing something right.
I have zero concerns with him when it comes to Xs and Os. The Bromley comment is encouraging. Would like to know what Nassib and Pugh think. He'll have to explain his exit from Buffalo to Mara and Reese of course.
He brought Nathaniel Hackett with him from SU to be the Bills' OC. Hackett accompanied Marrone to the Jaquars and is the quarterbacks coach there. So that's a long term relationship Marrone might want to continue.
His DC with the Bills was Mike Pettine. Who is also now available.
Interesting, Marrone probably can build the best staff
reason he left Buffalo like he did. But it certainly seems pretty lame. I am not a coaching expert so he could be great but still seems like he pulled a dick move in Buffalo. Could be totally wrong though. On a side note I have a very good friend that works for CBS and thinks there is zero chance Cowher is going to coach the Giants. He did mention that Cowher probably wouldn't tell him if he was going back to coaching but in his capacity (and he has a solid job) he felt that Cowher wouldn't return to coaching whatsoever.
He brought Nathaniel Hackett with him from SU to be the Bills' OC. Hackett accompanied Marrone to the Jaquars and is the quarterbacks coach there. So that's a long term relationship Marrone might want to continue.
In addition to his Syracuse ties, Hackett was literally born into the West Coast Offense. His dad was Bill Walsh's QB coach from 1983 to 1985, and had a successful run as OC in Kansas City, helping to revive the careers of Joe Montana and Marcus Allen, among others.
Marrone opted out because he was concerned about ownership
Ralph Wilson died and there were all sorts of stories about the team being sold and possibly moving to Toronto. It wasn't that he just exercised the clause for no reason.
His opt out didn't vest until the Pagulas bought the team. There were no concerns about Toronto or anything else. The purpose of an opt out is if you have concerns about the new ownership; for example if Snyder was buying the team and going to interfere. You can't have better owners than the Pagulas. He quit to try to get a better job because he thought turning around the Bills for one season was his ticket to a better job.
read he asked for extension for himself - was told no
and would probably love to go home and coach either of the NY teams. Seems like the type of guy who could easily be sold on keeping McAdoo as OC if he really does want the job that badly. I have a feeling that matters to Mara while looking for a new coach.
I wouldn't mind Marrone as HC if McAdoo and Pettine are the coordinators. That's a pretty nice coaching staff.
"I asked him about the switch from Doug Marrone to Rex Ryan," Silver said Wednesday on NFL Network. "Doug Marrone decided to opt out of his contract. They got the news on New Year's Eve and Marcel Dareus said, 'We celebrated a little harder.' I said, 'Were you surprised?' He said, 'I'm surprised he didn't do it earlier. He seemed miserable.' I said, 'Well, could you elaborate?' He said, 'Things were tense. He was always anal and cared about little stupid things, micro-managed us.' I said, 'Well, give me an example.' (He said), 'What difference does it make if I don't have team-issued socks for practice, and what does putting on a sweater in a cold meeting room have to do with winning?'"
But, that has more to do with his and Mara's comments and the fact that he seems to be getting a pass by the organization.
But, the constant comments that he ignores the OL are getting tired. he has done anything but. 3 years in a row, he spent either a first or second round pick on the OL. .
Had the Giants not ignored the OL prior to that do you think he would have used all those picks on the OL? Think the Giants may have won some more games after 2011?
He proved that he could win in this league. I thought Rex Ryan would do better in Buffalo but didnt despite what I think is better talent than Marrone had so that says a lot to me. As for his departure from Buffalo, I cant blame him for that. They guy was getting paid $4 Million to leave or $4 Million to stay. New Owners, a GM he didnt get along with and from what I understand no extension either. So I assume he was on a prove it contract with that one year. If you look at the facts, most of the people bashing him would have opted out as well.
Sounds a lot like Coughlin at the beginning but to me its about results and this guy has improved every team he has coached and I think he can improve our OL too. Based on the names rright now this is the guy I want.
By that definition, any college coach who accepts an NFL coaching job is a quitter. What happened in Buffalo is one thing, but the college comment is silly.
By that definition, any college coach who accepts an NFL coaching job is a quitter. What happened in Buffalo is one thing, but the college comment is silly.
resigned from the Jets head coach job due to ownership changes as well. Change in ownership brings a lot of unknowns into the situation. I can understand why Marrone might have had misgivings, especially if he couldn't get assurances for his future
resigned from the Jets head coach job due to ownership changes as well. Change in ownership brings a lot of unknowns into the situation. I can understand why Marrone might have had misgivings, especially if he couldn't get assurances for his future
Belichick resigned from the Jets after being their head coach for about 20 minutes.
There is one reason and one reason only why Marrone quit -- he got a fat paycheck and assumed that he'd have his pick of next coaching gig.
Slimeball and should not have anything to do with the New York Football Giants.
but that ESPN article makes him sound like a delicate flower. He thinks the press in Buffalo is bad? How many newspapers do they have, one?
His record in Buffalo was good, but such a small sample. He sounds like a disciplinarian, which isn't a bad thing obviously and Giants players should be pretty used to that.
He didn't get the Jets job. The Jets ended up with a pretty good coach though, so I don't know that that reflects badly on Marrone.
You can't possibly believe you have any credibility in any of these discussions, do you?
A modicum of intellectual honestly would require you to note how the ownership situation in Marrone's 1 year at BUF may have played a significant role in how that all went down.
he quit on buffalo and couldnt handle the press in Syracuse and there. reese said in yesterdays presser that no thin skin people should apply. marrone is a good interview as someone who could come in and be the man behind the man if the man is McAdoo. as a HC it would be an absolute disaster. and i graduated from Syracuse. bad choice for anyone in the NFL.
He brought Nathaniel Hackett with him from SU to be the Bills' OC. Hackett accompanied Marrone to the Jaquars and is the quarterbacks coach there. So that's a long term relationship Marrone might want to continue.
In addition to his Syracuse ties, Hackett was literally born into the West Coast Offense. His dad was Bill Walsh's QB coach from 1983 to 1985, and had a successful run as OC in Kansas City, helping to revive the careers of Joe Montana and Marcus Allen, among others.
Indeed BBB, having spent a couple of decades living in California, I am very familiar with the Hackett name.
Nate H seems to have done a good job with Bortles this past year. If he were a package deal with Marrone, his background might make for a relatively easy transition for Eli.
If Marrone is the choice, he'd have an interesting choice for DC. His two DCs at Buffalo, Pettine and Schwartz, favor different defenses. Pettine a 3-4, Schwartz a 4-3.
Hitdog is nailing it.
If he's getting a call this quick, the Giants have vetted him and like him.
Remember this is the same ownership who hired Coughlin, so I'd be careful bitching about their ability to evaluate head coaches.
Age: 51
NFL head-coaching record: 15-17 (Buffalo Bills, 2013-14)
Possible fits: New Orleans Saints, Detroit Lions, Cleveland Browns
The buzz around Marrone: It's not like the issues that Marrone had at the end in Buffalo have disappeared, but he brings six years of experience as a head coach (four at Syracuse, two at Buffalo) to the table and would be able to assemble a strong staff, given his ties to the Bill Parcells coaching tree. If Sean Payton decides he doesn't have the stomach for a rebuild and leaves the Saints, Marrone likely would be near the top of the list, given his history in New Orleans and strong relationship with general manager Mickey Loomis. Marrone also interviewed with the Browns and Eagles in 2013 before landing in Buffalo. And if Jags director of player personnel Chris Polian winds up being the GM in Detroit, which is possible, Marrone's ties to the Polian family could help him.
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He's not a college coach. I think he could be a good fit buffalo was improving with him and they had no QB.
You have him confused with Bill O'Brien. The Texans were on Hard
Knocks, Marrone coached with Jacksonville this season.
At this stage just have the short list color which has been accurate from yesterday morning- no edge or feedback outside of that.
My opinion means little- and I don't have a strong one yet as still digesting the coughlin departure. For me it's about what staff the guy can assemble- if I get any further feedback along the way that is original I will continue to subtlety relay.
Marrone is a former NFL offensive lineman, and he understands that games are won and lost in the trenches, a concept that apparently escapes Jerry Reese. He's a no bullshit coach.
Marrone did a pretty decent job as Head Coach at Syracuse, where he had Nassib, Pugh, and Bromley on his team. That led to the Buffalo Bills Head Coaching job.
He got Buffalo above the .500 mark with tired retread Kyle Orton at QB, and had an outstanding defense, both of which are better than Rex Ryan did with Buffalo this year.
Then he exercised his contract option to leave the Bills when the team was sold. Exactly why is not known, but it is clear that it was his decision to go. There was a lot of speculation that he wasn't getting along with Buffalo GM Doug Whaley, who is apparently clashing with Ryan, too, but nobody knows the real story.
He spent last season as OL Coach / Assistant Head Coach at Jax, a team that is doing a little better recently. I have to think that he has had a little something to do with that.
He also passed on Nassib.
Most of the connections are tenuous but they matter in a good ole boys club like the NFL coaching community when you are building a staff.
For the record, Manuel was benched last year in favor of retread Kyle Orton, and relegated to the bench this year by Matt Cassell, then Tyrod Taylor who was brought in by Rex Ryan.
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reunited with Nassib.
He also passed on Nassib.
Yea I know, sarcasm was on!
It's irrelevant to the job here to be blunt.
Secondly he put up good numbers in Buffalo but they weren't great and he broke his contract because he thought he was getting a better job. (jets). I don't want someone looking for other opportunities Not many NFL jobs. He had one and let it go. Wouldn't be in my top 3
1. He is well respected in coaching circles
2. He won 9 games in the AFC East with Kyle Orton as the Bills QB
3. Had the good sense to hire a good and proven defensive coordinator
4. He prioritizes OL play and protection of the QB
5. Modern offensive mind, emphasizes balance and getting the ball into the hands of playmakers
6. Has been pretty impressive getting results with average talent (Syracuse and Buffalo)
Cons
1. He handled the Buffalo press very poorly. Has to be concern in the NY market
2. Not known for a warm fuzzy side (good or bad I suppose)
3. Over played his hand with the new ownership in Buffalo. Almost like he was forcing his way out
4. Exhibited a tendency of expecting to be treated like a winning coach without having established a reputation as a winning coach.
Pettine was his DC his first year in Buffalo.
Here's what I recall. He was thought to be very talented, but authoritarian, and lacking some serious social skill. He felt persecuted. He was peculiar. TC had issues too, but he had the self awareness and brains to fix it, I'm not so sure about this guy.
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Has offensive line coach pedigree I believe so the running game would possibly benefit. Has NCAA Head Coaching experience. Reports are he didn't handle his opt out in Buffalo well. The Jets interviewed him but passed after he bailed on the Bills.
Here's what I recall. He was thought to be very talented, but authoritarian, and lacking some serious social skill. He felt persecuted. He was peculiar. TC had issues too, but he had the self awareness and brains to fix it, I'm not so sure about this guy.
Dave, that jives with what I heard too
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hire him. If they do I hope he brings Schwartz with him. It would be really fun to see some really good defense again.
Pettine was his DC his first year in Buffalo.
I like the idea of Pettine at DC more than I like the idea of Marrone as Head Coach.
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Has offensive line coach pedigree I believe so the running game would possibly benefit. Has NCAA Head Coaching experience. Reports are he didn't handle his opt out in Buffalo well. The Jets interviewed him but passed after he bailed on the Bills.
Here's what I recall. He was thought to be very talented, but authoritarian, and lacking some serious social skill. He felt persecuted. He was peculiar. TC had issues too, but he had the self awareness and brains to fix it, I'm not so sure about this guy.
Dave, that jives with what I heard too
Ya Emil. I just read your post and was comment on that too.
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Has offensive line coach pedigree I believe so the running game would possibly benefit. Has NCAA Head Coaching experience. Reports are he didn't handle his opt out in Buffalo well. The Jets interviewed him but passed after he bailed on the Bills.
Here's what I recall. He was thought to be very talented, but authoritarian, and lacking some serious social skill. He felt persecuted. He was peculiar. TC had issues too, but he had the self awareness and brains to fix it, I'm not so sure about this guy.
Dave, that jives with what I heard too
Ya Emil. I just read your post and was comment on that too.
He is so hard to assess. I think he has great abilities, but he just seemed to sabotage himself with the way he handled the press and in some cases the players. I never got the feeling that the Bills players really cared for him one way or another.
Bill Polian made this very point on NFL radio today. It's an old Al Davis move, bring in several guys, not because you actually intend to hire one of them but rather to get an informed and valued third-party opinion of your team.
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the more information from outside the organization the better.
Bill Polian made this very point on NFL radio today. It's an old Al Davis move, bring in several guys, not because you actually intend to hire one of them but rather to get an informed and valued third-party opinion of your team.
I like it, makes total sense.
Went 9-7 with Kyle Orton & EJ Manuel at QB. An old Fred Jackson as the top RB & a rookie #1 WR. With a bunch of scrubs on offense. Boobie Dixon, CJ Spiller, Scott Chandler, Robert Woods & Chris Hogan. Plus a mediocre offensive line. That was much worse after he left.
I would take a look. If he's learned or developed some skills he could be a an interesting candidate.
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Marrone is a former NFL offensive lineman, and he understands that games are won and lost in the trenches, a concept that apparently escapes Jerry Reese. He's a no bullshit coach.
Marrone did a pretty decent job as Head Coach at Syracuse, where he had Nassib, Pugh, and Bromley on his team. That led to the Buffalo Bills Head Coaching job.
He got Buffalo above the .500 mark with tired retread Kyle Orton at QB, and had an outstanding defense, both of which are better than Rex Ryan did with Buffalo this year.
Then he exercised his contract option to leave the Bills when the team was sold. Exactly why is not known, but it is clear that it was his decision to go. There was a lot of speculation that he wasn't getting along with Buffalo GM Doug Whaley, who is apparently clashing with Ryan, too, but nobody knows the real story.
He spent last season as OL Coach / Assistant Head Coach at Jax, a team that is doing a little better recently. I have to think that he has had a little something to do with that.
I think he has a solid body of work. Cute little dig at Reese, I guess spending 1st and 2nd round picks on Flowers, Richburg, Pugh, and Beatty shows he doesn't value OL at all. There's a chance our coaching staff has not been getting the most out of that unit.
But, the constant comments that he ignores the OL are getting tired. he has done anything but. 3 years in a row, he spent either a first or second round pick on the OL. All 3 guys started from day one. Some of his OL FA signings didn't work out. But, stop pretending in retrospect that they weren't guys that were near the top of the list of FAs. Baas sucked, mostly because he didn't stay healthy. The same with Schwartz. But, both were signings that critics liked...if they stayed healthy. If anything, we can say he took too many chances on guys with injury pasts. But, he went after guys that critics thought were good players. Jerry sucked last year because he was forced to start every game, which is not what he was signed for. This year, he did a decent job. The same can be said for Newhouse. Both were brought here to be veteran depth and both were forced to start an entire season. That is not on them or Reese.
A thin body of work and a quitter looking for the exit before he starts the job. Would you hire such a guy to work in your business? Pass.
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Quitting. Players with opt out clauses aren't branded as quitters. Why is this different?
a) who would want a coach that has an opt out written into his contract? (b) who would want to hire a coach that employed such an opt out after 1 year?.
A thin body of work and a quitter looking for the exit before he starts the job. Would you hire such a guy to work in your business? Pass.
Buffalo could have been a hotbed of distraction with a new owner possibly entertaining a move to Toronto. Change of ownership is actually a very valid reason to opt out. The new guy could be Jerry Jones. The new guy could not see eye to eye philosophically. The new guy might be more hands on than any coach would want to deal with.
It was a specific out clause only made possible by the fact that team ownership changed. He didn't just up and leave town like bobby petrino.
It was a specific out clause only made possible by the fact that team ownership changed. He didn't just up and leave town like bobby petrino.
Exactly, it was a clause written into the contract because of the Bills very uncertain future during Marrone's hiring.
Marrone did over achieve in Buffalo given the offensive talent he had. Rex Ryan had far more talent on offense and the same talent on defense this year and finished 8-8. Sammy Watkins was very much a rookie in 2014 and was hurt most of the year. Spiller and Jackson were hurt most of the year two. When Scott Chandler and Robert Woods are your best offensive weapons, and you win 9 games, you are doing something right.
I have zero concerns with him when it comes to Xs and Os. The Bromley comment is encouraging. Would like to know what Nassib and Pugh think. He'll have to explain his exit from Buffalo to Mara and Reese of course.
His DC with the Bills was Mike Pettine. Who is also now available.
In addition to his Syracuse ties, Hackett was literally born into the West Coast Offense. His dad was Bill Walsh's QB coach from 1983 to 1985, and had a successful run as OC in Kansas City, helping to revive the careers of Joe Montana and Marcus Allen, among others.
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Doesn't hurt to take a look.
I wouldn't mind Marrone as HC if McAdoo and Pettine are the coordinators. That's a pretty nice coaching staff.
"I asked him about the switch from Doug Marrone to Rex Ryan," Silver said Wednesday on NFL Network. "Doug Marrone decided to opt out of his contract. They got the news on New Year's Eve and Marcel Dareus said, 'We celebrated a little harder.' I said, 'Were you surprised?' He said, 'I'm surprised he didn't do it earlier. He seemed miserable.' I said, 'Well, could you elaborate?' He said, 'Things were tense. He was always anal and cared about little stupid things, micro-managed us.' I said, 'Well, give me an example.' (He said), 'What difference does it make if I don't have team-issued socks for practice, and what does putting on a sweater in a cold meeting room have to do with winning?'"
Hehe sounds familiar
But, the constant comments that he ignores the OL are getting tired. he has done anything but. 3 years in a row, he spent either a first or second round pick on the OL. .
Had the Giants not ignored the OL prior to that do you think he would have used all those picks on the OL? Think the Giants may have won some more games after 2011?
Eagles add Doug Marrone and Teryl Austin to their interview list
Sounds a lot like Coughlin at the beginning but to me its about results and this guy has improved every team he has coached and I think he can improve our OL too. Based on the names rright now this is the guy I want.
Coughlin quit on Boston College too!
Belichick resigned from the Jets after being their head coach for about 20 minutes.
There is one reason and one reason only why Marrone quit -- he got a fat paycheck and assumed that he'd have his pick of next coaching gig.
Slimeball and should not have anything to do with the New York Football Giants.
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His record in Buffalo was good, but such a small sample. He sounds like a disciplinarian, which isn't a bad thing obviously and Giants players should be pretty used to that.
He didn't get the Jets job. The Jets ended up with a pretty good coach though, so I don't know that that reflects badly on Marrone.
A modicum of intellectual honestly would require you to note how the ownership situation in Marrone's 1 year at BUF may have played a significant role in how that all went down.
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He brought Nathaniel Hackett with him from SU to be the Bills' OC. Hackett accompanied Marrone to the Jaquars and is the quarterbacks coach there. So that's a long term relationship Marrone might want to continue.
In addition to his Syracuse ties, Hackett was literally born into the West Coast Offense. His dad was Bill Walsh's QB coach from 1983 to 1985, and had a successful run as OC in Kansas City, helping to revive the careers of Joe Montana and Marcus Allen, among others.
Indeed BBB, having spent a couple of decades living in California, I am very familiar with the Hackett name.
Nate H seems to have done a good job with Bortles this past year. If he were a package deal with Marrone, his background might make for a relatively easy transition for Eli.
Not saying he shouldn't be the pick but without a compelling resume, interview might be key - he might not be the type to light up the interview room