Josina Anderson @JosinaAnderson 10m10 minutes ago
I'm told the #Giants are scheduled to interview #Lions defensive coordinator Teryl Austin as well now, on Thursday.
Is fairly well thought of. He did a decent job with very little in Detroit after a bunch of free agent losses on the defensive line and some injuries in the back seven.
He seems highly thought of by the defensive guys who play for him.
when they all made the Super Bowl. He did a good job fielding an average defense that was in transition from losing Suh to FA. You really think this is some schmuck that's just here to require some obligation?
The 'no talent to work with' argument applies to Coughlin and Spags
with the Rooney Rule. They interview a perfectly good candidate but because he's black, idiots think it's only because of he Rooney Rule.
That's not what's wrong with the Rooney Rule, that's what's wrong with idiots.
Not sure how the coordinator of the 18th ranked D (18 vs. run 15 vs. pass) and no previous head coaching experience qualifies for an interview
His defense led the league in a lot of categories last year, and despite significant FA losses and a dysfunctional offense around him, he still managed to keep them in games.
While I am not certain he comes down with a HC spot this season, he's certainly a credible candidate.
with the Rooney Rule. They interview a perfectly good candidate but because he's black, idiots think it's only because of he Rooney Rule.
I don't think you can blame fans' idiocy on the Rooney rule.
The Rooney rule has in fact been incredibly successful. The NFL went from having almost no minority coaches in its entire history to having a bunch of very successful ones. And except for a few idiots, race is not really a factor any more. I had three Giant fan buddies over the other night to watch the bowl games who had no idea David Shaw was black. That's how much of a non-issue it has become. They had heard his name, read about the job he had done at Stanford, knew he could be a viable candidate for the Giants job--but had no idea about his race. Just the way it should be.
Teryl Austin, defensive coordinator, Detroit Lions
Age: 50
NFL head-coaching record: n/a
Possible fits: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints, San Diego Chargers
The buzz around Austin: Might have seemed preposterous to put a Lions assistant on this list two months ago, but a) Austin impressed in interviews last year, and b) Detroit has actually surged from 1-7 (following the blowout loss to the Chiefs in London) to 6-9. As such, Austin becomes an interesting name to consider, especially if he can bring someone like Jim Bob Cooter (if Jim Caldwell is indeed fired) with him as offensive coordinator. Defense-deficient teams like Philly and New Orleans could kick the tires on this charismatic Ravens-pedigreed leader. NFL.com - ( New Window )
Austin did have a lot of talent especially on the DL. Let's not act like he was coaching a team with as little talent on D as the Giants
You're really minimizing the loss of an all pro talent on defense. I also never said that Detroit had as less talent, don't try to pull that strawman around here. You're going to completely ignore the fact that Austin oversaw the secondaries of 3 super bowl teams in the passing league era?
Good DC but his unit statistically came back to the pack this season..
But i'd clue more heavily on philosophy & implementation. I think that's why we see coordinators with minimal experience / poor results become hot candidates
Absolutely conjecture, but I'd be more focused on how & why they do their job vs rankings. The other side is the NE coordinators-to-HC example - great OC/DC production but mediocre HC stints overall
Fwiw that's the part we fans have almost NO clue about, the day-to-day. Much more important than our consistent & complete ignorance of it, esp in terms of team fit
The problem with the Rooney Rule is that it's still around
More or less, one of the first couple of guys you HAVE to bring in before you can really move forward in a HC search is a minority candidate, and it has to happen fast. Its idiotic for fans to pronounce a candidate a Rooney Rule interviewee without knowing the person's body of work, just as idiotic as it is to reject the proposal that teams do bring in candidates solely to check the box.
I hate to be so cynical. But absent compelling evidence, does anyone believe Duce Fucking Staley interviewed in Philly for any other reason that to check the box and move on to other candidates, black white or other? It's gotten to the point it's perfunctory and insulting.
There's zero coincidence this meeting is tomorrow and not a second later, qualified candidate or otherwise.
Austin did have a lot of talent especially on the DL. Let's not act like he was coaching a team with as little talent on D as the Giants
You're really minimizing the loss of an all pro talent on defense. I also never said that Detroit had as less talent, don't try to pull that strawman around here. You're going to completely ignore the fact that Austin oversaw the secondaries of 3 super bowl teams in the passing league era?
Wow he was a secondary coach and a defensive coordinator for a mediocre defense?!
He shaped a Seahawks defense that featured Trufant, Ken Lucas, Hamlin,
I don't believe Francesa. McAdoo might be the guy but to bring in 4-5 other candidates knowing they don't want any of them makes no sense. I personally would like a defensive coach like McDermott or Austin but I am sure Eli has a say.
with the Rooney Rule. They interview a perfectly good candidate but because he's black, idiots think it's only because of he Rooney Rule.
+1 - A team with an African American GM is not just going through the motions. Like him or not JR is not bringing people to check off a box. Hope they can talk Shaw into coming, but I thought I heard somewhere his wife loves it at Stanford and does not want to leave.
If you're coming off a Super Bowl (and you are approaching senility) hiring an inexperienced coach for the sake of continuity is understandable. Doing it after going 11-21 with that coach as your offensive coordinator is unforgivable.
If you're coming off a Super Bowl (and you are approaching senility) hiring an inexperienced coach for the sake of continuity is understandable. Doing it after going 11-21 with that coach as your offensive coordinator is unforgivable.
The O wasn't the problem the last two years. We had a playoff caliber O both seasons under McAdoo and Eli Manning made dramatic improvements cutting down turnovers. The D and the lack of depth caused by personnel moves were our downfall. Had we even had an average D we are in the playoffs definitely this year and quite possibly last year
RE: RE: McAdoo has much less coaching experience than Ray Handley did
If you're coming off a Super Bowl (and you are approaching senility) hiring an inexperienced coach for the sake of continuity is understandable. Doing it after going 11-21 with that coach as your offensive coordinator is unforgivable.
The O wasn't the problem the last two years. We had a playoff caliber O both seasons under McAdoo and Eli Manning made dramatic improvements cutting down turnovers. The D and the lack of depth caused by personnel moves were our downfall. Had we even had an average D we are in the playoffs definitely this year and quite possibly last year
I'm told the #Giants are scheduled to interview #Lions defensive coordinator Teryl Austin as well now, on Thursday.
you have connection to him as well?
Yep, that it does.
Two birds, one stone. And now that's several defensive guys the Giants have lined up to look at.
you have connection to him as well?
Hey Dean, same here..No, I just like the guy's work
That's not what's wrong with the Rooney Rule, that's what's wrong with idiots.
He seems highly thought of by the defensive guys who play for him.
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with the Rooney Rule. They interview a perfectly good candidate but because he's black, idiots think it's only because of he Rooney Rule.
That's not what's wrong with the Rooney Rule, that's what's wrong with idiots.
Not sure how the coordinator of the 18th ranked D (18 vs. run 15 vs. pass) and no previous head coaching experience qualifies for an interview
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with the Rooney Rule. They interview a perfectly good candidate but because he's black, idiots think it's only because of he Rooney Rule.
That's not what's wrong with the Rooney Rule, that's what's wrong with idiots.
Not sure how the coordinator of the 18th ranked D (18 vs. run 15 vs. pass) and no previous head coaching experience qualifies for an interview
His defense led the league in a lot of categories last year, and despite significant FA losses and a dysfunctional offense around him, he still managed to keep them in games.
While I am not certain he comes down with a HC spot this season, he's certainly a credible candidate.
Now, interviewing Duce Staley...
I don't think you can blame fans' idiocy on the Rooney rule.
The Rooney rule has in fact been incredibly successful. The NFL went from having almost no minority coaches in its entire history to having a bunch of very successful ones. And except for a few idiots, race is not really a factor any more. I had three Giant fan buddies over the other night to watch the bowl games who had no idea David Shaw was black. That's how much of a non-issue it has become. They had heard his name, read about the job he had done at Stanford, knew he could be a viable candidate for the Giants job--but had no idea about his race. Just the way it should be.
Yeah, and look at their division.
Ours? Kirk Cousins took home the NFCE title. Let that one sink in a minute.
Age: 50
NFL head-coaching record: n/a
Possible fits: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints, San Diego Chargers
The buzz around Austin: Might have seemed preposterous to put a Lions assistant on this list two months ago, but a) Austin impressed in interviews last year, and b) Detroit has actually surged from 1-7 (following the blowout loss to the Chiefs in London) to 6-9. As such, Austin becomes an interesting name to consider, especially if he can bring someone like Jim Bob Cooter (if Jim Caldwell is indeed fired) with him as offensive coordinator. Defense-deficient teams like Philly and New Orleans could kick the tires on this charismatic Ravens-pedigreed leader.
NFL.com - ( New Window )
You're really minimizing the loss of an all pro talent on defense. I also never said that Detroit had as less talent, don't try to pull that strawman around here. You're going to completely ignore the fact that Austin oversaw the secondaries of 3 super bowl teams in the passing league era?
Giants Interview Teryl Austin and Steve Spagnuolo on Thursday - ( New Window )
Weird!
Absolutely conjecture, but I'd be more focused on how & why they do their job vs rankings. The other side is the NE coordinators-to-HC example - great OC/DC production but mediocre HC stints overall
Fwiw that's the part we fans have almost NO clue about, the day-to-day. Much more important than our consistent & complete ignorance of it, esp in terms of team fit
I hate to be so cynical. But absent compelling evidence, does anyone believe Duce Fucking Staley interviewed in Philly for any other reason that to check the box and move on to other candidates, black white or other? It's gotten to the point it's perfunctory and insulting.
There's zero coincidence this meeting is tomorrow and not a second later, qualified candidate or otherwise.
He also didn't have his Pro Bowl MLB Deandre Levy.
DC's need good players, too. Especially in this offensive-happy league.
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Austin did have a lot of talent especially on the DL. Let's not act like he was coaching a team with as little talent on D as the Giants
You're really minimizing the loss of an all pro talent on defense. I also never said that Detroit had as less talent, don't try to pull that strawman around here. You're going to completely ignore the fact that Austin oversaw the secondaries of 3 super bowl teams in the passing league era?
Wow he was a secondary coach and a defensive coordinator for a mediocre defense?!
If that is true this is a Rooney Rule interview.
I don't believe Francesa. McAdoo might be the guy but to bring in 4-5 other candidates knowing they don't want any of them makes no sense. I personally would like a defensive coach like McDermott or Austin but I am sure Eli has a say.
+1 - A team with an African American GM is not just going through the motions. Like him or not JR is not bringing people to check off a box. Hope they can talk Shaw into coming, but I thought I heard somewhere his wife loves it at Stanford and does not want to leave.
It does satisfy the Rooney Rule so they will be set to go.
That's like totally racist. Just because he is black you refer to him as dark and an animal? Some people...
The O wasn't the problem the last two years. We had a playoff caliber O both seasons under McAdoo and Eli Manning made dramatic improvements cutting down turnovers. The D and the lack of depth caused by personnel moves were our downfall. Had we even had an average D we are in the playoffs definitely this year and quite possibly last year
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If you're coming off a Super Bowl (and you are approaching senility) hiring an inexperienced coach for the sake of continuity is understandable. Doing it after going 11-21 with that coach as your offensive coordinator is unforgivable.
The O wasn't the problem the last two years. We had a playoff caliber O both seasons under McAdoo and Eli Manning made dramatic improvements cutting down turnovers. The D and the lack of depth caused by personnel moves were our downfall. Had we even had an average D we are in the playoffs definitely this year and quite possibly last year
No doubt