I am usually away and/or otherwise occupied on August weekends so I haven't watched most preseason games where Nassib has played. He came in at the end of the Vikings blowout. I know that the game was out of hand and that the Vikings were basically playing prevent defense, but I thought he looked good driving the team down for a touchdown. He seems to be nimble with a quick release and an accurate arm.
I know we always say around here that if Eli gets hurt we're screwed, but for people who've seen/studied Nassib more than me, if he were (God forbid) forced into action for an extended period by an Eli injury, how do you think he'd do?
A waste of a pick
The one thing I recall is prior to that draft, Jaws was on some ESPN show and they asked him about the QB's about the be drafted... focusing on the big names coming out that year.
Unprompted, Jaws said something along the lines that the guy he likes the most was Nassib, thought he could end up being better than any of the more well known QB's about to be drafted.
I believe one of TC's failings is that Nassib didn't get more opportunities to play in meaningful situations - with the 1's in pre-season, or during the regular season in games where the outcome was already decided.
Throws an accurate dart on short and mid range passes
Lofts the long ball
Does not have an NFL arm for the long ball.
Even a great QB like Peyton Manning suffers b/c he can't gun the long ball. Just imagine Nassib when the defense takes away the mid game and he starts lofting the football.
Why is he a wasted pick? We don't want him to play, we never want Eli to get hurt but if he does, we have a cheap, competent back up who may show that he can handle a game or two in a pinch.
A waste of a pick
you're a fucking idiot.
hes a adequate backup who's shown flashes in preseason and has shadowed Eli for 3 seasons.
People look at lack of PT as a reason to hate the Nassib pick but its really a lot more than that. You need to look at the economics as well and he simply frees up a good amount of cap for us. Using this example, that's $2.3 million we can use elsewhere; that isn't chump change.
another brilliant statement from a another dumb ass fan.
Why is he a wasted pick? We don't want him to play, we never want Eli to get hurt but if he does, we have a cheap, competent back up who may show that he can handle a game or two in a pinch.
This. Plus, we had a shot that maybe someone showed interest and was willing to part with a pick for him, and the same shot that maybe someone takes a chance in FA and we get a comp.
Even without all that - a 4th seems steep, but he's considerably cheaper than a similarly capable vet backup.
wrong.
To have a young healthy backup qb behind and learning from eli at the fraction of a cost of a veteran back up qb is a wise position to have.
Nassib is an insurance policy with upside and is an asset to the cap and potentially a trade/comp pick (however slight) as other have alluded to. There's a hell of a lot more to this game than the 22 starters on the field.
In a brief interview with Bleacher Report - NFL Networks "Path To The Draft", Greg Cosell agreed with Gruden and said he was surprised Buffalo didn't take him over Manuel. Cosell said in a conversation, Doug Marrone explained that while he felt Nassib was highly talented, the Bills felt he was a developmental project and they needed a more NFL ready QB. Marrone said he would be surprised if Nassib didn't develop into one of the better starting quarterbacks, especially with the luxury of having the time and opportunity to tutor under Eli.
Russ Lande of the National Football Post, in a separate article, said he thought Nassib would go much higher in the draft and the Giants got good value considering he would be allotted time to develop in an organization that had the luxury of doing so. "...Exposure to Eli Manning 6 months of the year will go a long way in bringing out the best in Ryan Nassib. If he doesn't make it, it surely won't be because he wasn't afforded all the opportunity..."
According to Bleacher Report, the Giants have been very low keyed when it comes to discussing Ryan Nassib (much like Corey Washington). When we recently asked OC Ben McAdoo how he viewed Nassib, he said when he first he saw him he was reminded of a young Eli Manning in both size and certain characteristics. "His arm strength is very similar to Eli's. He has pocket presence and can move if he has to although we're coaching him to stay in the pocket. Most importantly, McAdoo said, "...Nassib has got what it takes between the ears, this is the most noticeable trait he shares with Eli..."
Nassib is an insurance policy with upside and is an asset to the cap and potentially a trade/comp pick (however slight) as other have alluded to. There's a hell of a lot more to this game than the 22 starters on the field.
There's plenty of other veteran QBs out there looking for homes that could have been just as capable of backing up Eli. I'm sure they would have cost a little more, but the pick that we used could have been used on other critical needs and not on a guy that we never intended, or hoped would not have to, play. Pick didn't make sense and you can't justify it.
And sure a 4th round pick can get you something, or not. Then what?
Andre Williams
Adrien Robinson
Brandon Mosley
James Brewer
Phillip Dillard
The list goes on and on. In the grand scheme of things we didn't give up much for him and we've done far worse using those picks than getting a stable cheap back up who seems capable of stepping up.
In a brief interview with Bleacher Report - NFL Networks "Path To The Draft", Greg Cosell agreed with Gruden and said he was surprised Buffalo didn't take him over Manuel. Cosell said in a conversation, Doug Marrone explained that while he felt Nassib was highly talented, the Bills felt he was a developmental project and they needed a more NFL ready QB. Marrone said he would be surprised if Nassib didn't develop into one of the better starting quarterbacks, especially with the luxury of having the time and opportunity to tutor under Eli.
Russ Lande of the National Football Post, in a separate article, said he thought Nassib would go much higher in the draft and the Giants got good value considering he would be allotted time to develop in an organization that had the luxury of doing so. "...Exposure to Eli Manning 6 months of the year will go a long way in bringing out the best in Ryan Nassib. If he doesn't make it, it surely won't be because he wasn't afforded all the opportunity..."
According to Bleacher Report, the Giants have been very low keyed when it comes to discussing Ryan Nassib (much like Corey Washington). When we recently asked OC Ben McAdoo how he viewed Nassib, he said when he first he saw him he was reminded of a young Eli Manning in both size and certain characteristics. "His arm strength is very similar to Eli's. He has pocket presence and can move if he has to although we're coaching him to stay in the pocket. Most importantly, McAdoo said, "...Nassib has got what it takes between the ears, this is the most noticeable trait he shares with Eli..."
He was likely the top pick in the draft until at both the combine and private workouts he failed to throw the deep down and out well. He dropped like a stone b/c of his lack of arm strength.
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a waste of two draft picks.
another brilliant statement from a another dumb ass fan.
Dumb ass fan.
Lets look at the Brilliant career of Ryan Nassib
2013-0 completions. 0 Attempts
2014-4 completions. 5 attempts
2015-5 completions. 5 attempts
Total yards-128
Total TD-1
We traded a pick to move up for this guy.
JR said right after we drafted him I hope we never use him.
For a team missing so many pieces this is the guy we brought in and we traded up to get him.
And your defense is he has shown flashes in pre-season. Lets go with that. So did Jared Lorenzen you moron.
Do you work for JR? This guy isn't even trade bait.
And sure a 4th round pick can get you something, or not. Then what?
Andre Williams
Adrien Robinson
Brandon Mosley
James Brewer
Phillip Dillard
The list goes on and on. In the grand scheme of things we didn't give up much for him and we've done far worse using those picks than getting a stable cheap back up who seems capable of stepping up.
I never said I had all the answers as it's only my opinion. This is an area where Reese has failed; 4-7 round picks. IMO this was a wasted pick. Back up QBs that don't play are a dime a dozen and if we had to play him, I'm not so sure he'd succeed any better then another veteran back up; do you? Lastly, Nassib will not want to sit behind Eli for another 4 years and will be looking for a starting gig after his rookie contract is up. We are far better off trying to get a pick for him now.
Speaking of TC, if I were the Lions I would consider reaching out to him. They have talent and a veteran (if somewhat disappointing) QB. With the right leadership they could be a quick turn around team.
The only method of analysis we have is that the coaches were confident enough in him being the #2 QB that he has held the job to this point. They have not looked to upgrade.
You can't look at every scenario in a vacuum. There are other variables in play.
You can't look at every scenario in a vacuum. There are other variables in play.
The club couldn't afford to carry 3 QBs any longer. If they picked up a vet, it would mean cutting the 4th pick after 2 years. This is/was not a club that does that.
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A waste of a pick
you're a fucking idiot.
hes a adequate backup who's shown flashes in preseason and has shadowed Eli for 3 seasons.
Evidence of him being an adequate backup?
B. has been fulfilled and the jury is out on A. In the grand scheme of things, we aren't better or worse for this pick. I really don't know why its argued a lot here.
vets cost money at other positions as well - positions that could have potentially been filled with the picks given up for a guy they didn't need.
You think the Benagls aren't happy they drafted McCarron with a 5th, even though they had a young, rising quarterback at the time?
For a team that won a ring with a back-up, you'd think the fans would realize the importance.
This is a weak draft for QBs after Goff, Lynch, and Cook, and all three have their own problems. Goff is a stick, Lynch is a project, and Cook doesn't have elite arm strength. Somebody might well trade a day two pick for Nassib. He's at least been in the league for three years despite his lack of playing time. Nassib is going to have growing pains like any QB, but I still think he has a bright future for someone. Unless I had a starting QB, it would certainly be worth a third round pick to me as a GM to find out about him. Houston perhaps?
As far as what the Giants will do, my guess is they will keep him. But they will lose him to FA next year. He isn't staying any longer than he has to obviously, not with Eli still understandably entrenched at QB.
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but again, a vet costs money
vets cost money at other positions as well - positions that could have potentially been filled with the picks given up for a guy they didn't need.
Yeah, name the positions that we are guaranteed to fill up. You can't, I can't. The points have been made for the Nassib pick up and down this thread and others on BBI. If you don't like it, that's fine, but please stop ignoring the strategy and positives it has had.
The QB position is so damn important. Investing a mid round pick and a usually throw away 6th rounder on a guy with upside is not a stupid decision.
Of course, we don't know whether he represents decent coverage - i.e. whether the Giants could win any games with him to keep a season alive in Eli's absence. I'm not eager to find out, either.
He is not likely Eli's successor because Eli will be around for at least a couple and more likely 4 or 5 more seasons, while Nassib is a free agent after next season.
After sitting and learning behind Eli for four years, Nassib will most likely leave as an unrestricted free agent for a team who offers him a shot at starting. A third of the teams in the league need a better starting QB, and all it takes is one team willing to give him a shot. And my guess is that he will start for somebody by 2018.
Meanwhile, the GIANTS will have nothing to show for two more Reese / Ross draft picks.
They could have signed a journeyman free agent as Eli's primary back up for about the same kind of money and gotten the same return on investment, leaving those two draft choices available to try to improve the team elsewhere.
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a waste of two draft picks.
another brilliant statement from a another dumb ass fan.
Dumb ass fan.
Lets look at the Brilliant career of Ryan Nassib
2013-0 completions. 0 Attempts
2014-4 completions. 5 attempts
2015-5 completions. 5 attempts
Total yards-128
Total TD-1
We traded a pick to move up for this guy.
JR said right after we drafted him I hope we never use him.
For a team missing so many pieces this is the guy we brought in and we traded up to get him.
And your defense is he has shown flashes in pre-season. Lets go with that. So did Jared Lorenzen you moron.
Do you work for JR? This guy isn't even trade bait.
So he hasn't played, whats your point?
An the Giants used a 6th round pick to trade up to get him, any Reese hater out there knows JR doesn't exactly strike gold in the 6th.
He's a backup sitting behind Eli learning and absorbing the game while making 500k+ a year.
An that statement made was about a testament to Eli then criticism of Nassib.
so just keep your trap shut kiddo.
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but again, a vet costs money
vets cost money at other positions as well - positions that could have potentially been filled with the picks given up for a guy they didn't need.
Yeah, name the positions that we are guaranteed to fill up. You can't, I can't. The points have been made for the Nassib pick up and down this thread and others on BBI. If you don't like it, that's fine, but please stop ignoring the strategy and positives it has had.
huh? Nobody is saying anything is guaranteed. As for "positives", they're easy to ignore because they don't exist. This team survived just fine for years going with retreads and vets at backup QB.
In a cap league, draft picks are among your most precious commodities. Using them to obtain a backup at the strongest position on the roster is foolish and is the type of move that leaves you thin elsewhere...and forced to rely on free agency.
Look no further than this past offseason where Reese had to go out and overpay backups and special teamers to pay defense (Thomas, Casillas)...and his grand plan to fill the hole at safety was to offer a ton of money to McCourty.
It's most certainly not a good value if you overpay for it at the expense of other basic necessities.
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but again, a vet costs money
vets cost money at other positions as well - positions that could have potentially been filled with the picks given up for a guy they didn't need.
Yeah, name the positions that we are guaranteed to fill up. You can't, I can't. The points have been made for the Nassib pick up and down this thread and others on BBI. If you don't like it, that's fine, but please stop ignoring the strategy and positives it has had.
huh? Nobody is saying anything is guaranteed. As for "positives", they're easy to ignore because they don't exist. This team survived just fine for years going with retreads and vets at backup QB.
In a cap league, draft picks are among your most precious commodities. Using them to obtain a backup at the strongest position on the roster is foolish and is the type of move that leaves you thin elsewhere...and forced to rely on free agency.
Look no further than this past offseason where Reese had to go out and overpay backups and special teamers to pay defense (Thomas, Casillas)...and his grand plan to fill the hole at safety was to offer a ton of money to McCourty.
Again, you aren't telling me anything I don't already know. We likely still over pay in FA on middling players because our history in the 4th round and 6th round is dogshit. Its as if Reese traded a 3rd and 4th rounder for Nassib. It took a shot on a guy that could be a valuable commodity and "wasted" a 6th rounder to move up for him.
Your time is better wasted on asking why we took guys like Sintim, Barden, Austin, etc instead of trying to prove using a 6th rounder to move up for Nassib was stupid.
I wish we had a lot more unproven backups, especially on defense.
He is not likely Eli's successor because Eli will be around for at least a couple and more likely 4 or 5 more seasons, while Nassib is a free agent after next season.
After sitting and learning behind Eli for four years, Nassib will most likely leave as an unrestricted free agent for a team who offers him a shot at starting. A third of the teams in the league need a better starting QB, and all it takes is one team willing to give him a shot. And my guess is that he will start for somebody by 2018.
Meanwhile, the GIANTS will have nothing to show for two more Reese / Ross draft picks.
They could have signed a journeyman free agent as Eli's primary back up for about the same kind of money and gotten the same return on investment, leaving those two draft choices available to try to improve the team elsewhere.
Thank God you're not the GM. The Giants drafted Jeff Hostetler in 1984 with a third round pick. He was our #3 quarterback behind Simms and Rutledge through 1987. Now, considering you want to anoint Nassib a wasted pick after three seasons, I imagine you either felt the same way or would have with Hostetler after four years as the #3 quarterback.
So here is a question I pose to you. Would we have beaten the 49ers in the playoffs and the Bills in Super Bowl XXV with a journeyman backing up Phil Simms? Heck, we had a journeyman backing up Hostetler in Matt Cavanaugh. Would we have beaten the 49ers and Bills with Matt Cavanaugh? Answer yes and we know you're full of shit. Answer no and you've just invalidated your argument about Nassib being a wasted pick.
Not a good example. With life insurance you know exactly what you get when it's time to collect.
Your time is better wasted on asking why we took guys like Sintim, Barden, Austin, etc instead of trying to prove using a 6th rounder to move up for Nassib was stupid.
There is absolutely no proof at this time that Nassib is any better than those 3. Did we know they all sucked after one quarter of on-field performance? Of course, we could spend 5 minutes going over Nassib's game clips, if you want to try to prove your point.
We won't agree so this is my last post on it.
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Ryan Nassib can play in the NFL. But he's probably never going to play a down that really matters for the New York GIANTS.
He is not likely Eli's successor because Eli will be around for at least a couple and more likely 4 or 5 more seasons, while Nassib is a free agent after next season.
After sitting and learning behind Eli for four years, Nassib will most likely leave as an unrestricted free agent for a team who offers him a shot at starting. A third of the teams in the league need a better starting QB, and all it takes is one team willing to give him a shot. And my guess is that he will start for somebody by 2018.
Meanwhile, the GIANTS will have nothing to show for two more Reese / Ross draft picks.
They could have signed a journeyman free agent as Eli's primary back up for about the same kind of money and gotten the same return on investment, leaving those two draft choices available to try to improve the team elsewhere.
Thank God you're not the GM. The Giants drafted Jeff Hostetler in 1984 with a third round pick. He was our #3 quarterback behind Simms and Rutledge through 1987. Now, considering you want to anoint Nassib a wasted pick after three seasons, I imagine you either felt the same way or would have with Hostetler after four years as the #3 quarterback.
So here is a question I pose to you. Would we have beaten the 49ers in the playoffs and the Bills in Super Bowl XXV with a journeyman backing up Phil Simms? Heck, we had a journeyman backing up Hostetler in Matt Cavanaugh. Would we have beaten the 49ers and Bills with Matt Cavanaugh? Answer yes and we know you're full of shit. Answer no and you've just invalidated your argument about Nassib being a wasted pick.
um, the CBA is just a little bit different now. You can't keep depth guys like that around forever without paying them. Nassib is most likely gone after this coming season.
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Ryan Nassib can play in the NFL. But he's probably never going to play a down that really matters for the New York GIANTS.
He is not likely Eli's successor because Eli will be around for at least a couple and more likely 4 or 5 more seasons, while Nassib is a free agent after next season.
After sitting and learning behind Eli for four years, Nassib will most likely leave as an unrestricted free agent for a team who offers him a shot at starting. A third of the teams in the league need a better starting QB, and all it takes is one team willing to give him a shot. And my guess is that he will start for somebody by 2018.
Meanwhile, the GIANTS will have nothing to show for two more Reese / Ross draft picks.
They could have signed a journeyman free agent as Eli's primary back up for about the same kind of money and gotten the same return on investment, leaving those two draft choices available to try to improve the team elsewhere.
Thank God you're not the GM. The Giants drafted Jeff Hostetler in 1984 with a third round pick. He was our #3 quarterback behind Simms and Rutledge through 1987. Now, considering you want to anoint Nassib a wasted pick after three seasons, I imagine you either felt the same way or would have with Hostetler after four years as the #3 quarterback.
So here is a question I pose to you. Would we have beaten the 49ers in the playoffs and the Bills in Super Bowl XXV with a journeyman backing up Phil Simms? Heck, we had a journeyman backing up Hostetler in Matt Cavanaugh. Would we have beaten the 49ers and Bills with Matt Cavanaugh? Answer yes and we know you're full of shit. Answer no and you've just invalidated your argument about Nassib being a wasted pick.
um, the CBA is just a little bit different now. You can't keep depth guys like that around forever without paying them. Nassib is most likely gone after this coming season.
Not the point. Red Dog says that burning a 4th and 6th for three years of a backups is a waste, and they should have just gotten a journeyman to back up Simms (and Rutledge). Money was never brought into the discussion. The suggestion seemed to be that the 4th and 6th would have been better used elsewhere. By that same reasoning, blowing a third round pick on a six-year backup was a waste, and the pick would have been better served elsewhere. In that case, where would we have been in 1990?
The 2015 Dallas Cowboys are a prime example as to why it's worth investing in a quality backup quarterback. If Romo doesn't go down, there's a good chance they win the division. Instead, they're subjected to the Weedon/Cassel show, and they're one of the worst teams in the league.