Did not hear the interview. This is Arthur Stapleton's (beat writer) highlighting.
Mara: "Every decision that we make here is a collaboration between the general manager and the head coach," then Mara says he approves.
John Mara: "I want to see a roster that looks a lot better at this time than the one we just had."
John Mara says on ESPN Radio he believed Odell Beckham Jr. should have been removed from Carolina game by NYG sideline until he calmed down.
John Mara told @RealMichaelKay and @DonLagreca that he wants to find a HC sooner rather than later, but not at expense of finding right guy.
Listening to Mara on Kay Show I can see why Coughlin walked right past him--disgraceful treating TC this way IMHO
Rich Coutinho @coutinho9 10 minutes ago
NY endings very rarely end well--Namath,Ewing,Clyde, even Seaver--but the way Mara alludes to TC is really unfair-this guy gave him so much
Ironic that TC said he left Odell in to have a better chance to win the game, and by implication save his job; instead leaving him in may have cost him his job
HOW CAN THIS BE NEWS? They've been saying for years.
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collaborating on the pick, or he say that he (Mara) has to approve the pick himself before it's final?
HOW CAN THIS BE NEWS? They've been saying for years.
You're absolutely right, but many have not got the message, so it's news to them.
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collaborating on the pick, or he say that he (Mara) has to approve the pick himself before it's final?
HOW CAN THIS BE NEWS? They've been saying for years.
The reason he left him in is that he had a mandate: make the playoffs or else. To make the playoffs, he had to beat Carolina and he had no chance of doing that with OBJ on the sideline.
I wanted Coughlin fired but if the Carolina game decided it that is unfair because Coughlin was basically set up to fail.
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collaborating on the pick, or he say that he (Mara) has to approve the pick himself before it's final?
HOW CAN THIS BE NEWS? They've been saying for years.
it's news to the coughlin acolytes who feel he was an innocent victim of reese's bad personnel decisions.
The reason he left him in is that he had a mandate: make the playoffs or else. To make the playoffs, he had to beat Carolina and he had no chance of doing that with OBJ on the sideline.
I wanted Coughlin fired but if the Carolina game decided it that is unfair because Coughlin was basically set up to fail.
That event, in isolation, was not the reason. It was likely just a contributing factor in a handful of issues that led to the change.
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is not because he has lost control. TC can still lay down the discipline. No doubt about that.
The reason he left him in is that he had a mandate: make the playoffs or else. To make the playoffs, he had to beat Carolina and he had no chance of doing that with OBJ on the sideline.
I wanted Coughlin fired but if the Carolina game decided it that is unfair because Coughlin was basically set up to fail.
That event, in isolation, was not the reason. It was likely just a contributing factor in a handful of issues that led to the change.
I thought the issue was that Coughlin wasn't even aware of what was going on with OBJ?
The reason he left him in is that he had a mandate: make the playoffs or else. To make the playoffs, he had to beat Carolina and he had no chance of doing that with OBJ on the sideline.
I wanted Coughlin fired but if the Carolina game decided it that is unfair because Coughlin was basically set up to fail.
He didn't have to sit him down for the entire game, the message would have been sent had he sat him down for even a couple series.
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and what Mike G said on the Garbage Time show seems to indicate that the Carolina fiasco was the end of the line for TC. That things ahd gotten out of control.
Ironic that TC said he left Odell in to have a better chance to win the game, and by implication save his job; instead leaving him in may have cost him his job
Agreed. I also agree with sliverfox that not sitting him was probably the final nail in Coughlin's coffin.
Furthermore if OBJ got tossed like he clearly should have, how was that going to help win the game?
The worst part of that fiasco was Hanlon saying that he needed to put together some film clips for TC because he didn't see what was going on. That sort of admission doesn't paint him in a positive light.
An NFL coach's job is to try and win football games, not run Boy's Town. I can imagine the reaction here and in Big Jawn's head if Odell got yanked having caught no passes, 57 other players were punished as well and we lost 35-7.
Either Giant fans are schizophrenics by nature or rooting for them promotes schizophrenia.
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is not because he has lost control. TC can still lay down the discipline. No doubt about that.
The reason he left him in is that he had a mandate: make the playoffs or else. To make the playoffs, he had to beat Carolina and he had no chance of doing that with OBJ on the sideline.
I wanted Coughlin fired but if the Carolina game decided it that is unfair because Coughlin was basically set up to fail.
He didn't have to sit him down for the entire game, the message would have been sent had he sat him down for even a couple series.
Agree. If I were the coach, I would have sent him to the locker room a couple of minutes early. Plus, he said he "spoke to" OBJ on the sideline. He needed to get in his grill and not just make a comment as OBJ walks off of the field.
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is not because he has lost control. TC can still lay down the discipline. No doubt about that.
The reason he left him in is that he had a mandate: make the playoffs or else. To make the playoffs, he had to beat Carolina and he had no chance of doing that with OBJ on the sideline.
I wanted Coughlin fired but if the Carolina game decided it that is unfair because Coughlin was basically set up to fail.
He didn't have to sit him down for the entire game, the message would have been sent had he sat him down for even a couple series.
I bet one series would have been enough to get the message across to stop the antics.
An NFL coach's job is to try and win football games, not run Boy's Town.
I wonder if you heard half of Tom Coughlin's exit speech. He pretty much just said the opposite of this.
Coughlin didn't want to sit OBJ down because he wanted the best chance to win the game and yet in the third quarter he was punting on 4th and 3 when down 35 - 7
also I think Coughlin's post game comments of not knowing how many Personal Fouls the OBJ had gotten also showed TC lost grip of team.
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An NFL coach's job is to try and win football games, not run Boy's Town.
I wonder if you heard half of Tom Coughlin's exit speech. He pretty much just said the opposite of this.
Listening to Mara on Kay Show I can see why Coughlin walked right past him--disgraceful treating TC this way IMHO
Rich Coutinho @coutinho9 10 minutes ago
NY endings very rarely end well--Namath,Ewing,Clyde, even Seaver--but the way Mara alludes to TC is really unfair-this guy gave him so much
Idiot.
I'm gonna choose to remember the man that made a seriously positive impact on the majority of his players and whose transformed outlook on coaching helped us win two unforgettably amazing Super Bowl runs.
I'm not sure what else I can ask for. The last four years were tough but fuck if I'm not completely satisfied overall with his tenure.
He didn't only teach those players, I myself learned a ton from him paying such close attention to every press clipping and everything else all these years.
I love that man and I couldn't be more thankful for his time here.
I'm gonna choose to remember the man that made a seriously positive impact on the majority of his players and whose transformed outlook on coaching helped us win two unforgettably amazing Super Bowl runs.
I'm not sure what else I can ask for. The last four years were tough but fuck if I'm not completely satisfied overall with his tenure.
He didn't only teach those players, I myself learned a ton from him paying such close attention to every press clipping and everything else all these years.
I love that man and I couldn't be more thankful for his time here.
Listening to Mara on Kay Show I can see why Coughlin walked right past him--disgraceful treating TC this way IMHO
Rich Coutinho @coutinho9 10 minutes ago
NY endings very rarely end well--Namath,Ewing,Clyde, even Seaver--but the way Mara alludes to TC is really unfair-this guy gave him so much
What the hell is this moron talking about? I seen the entire interview, how exactly was Mara unfair to TC? Talk about making shit up. And Mara talked about TC supposedly walking past him and said that moments later they were in TCs office hugging, so yeah, things certainly are ending badly, right?
An NFL coach's job is to try and win football games, not run Boy's Town. I can imagine the reaction here and in Big Jawn's head if Odell got yanked having caught no passes, 57 other players were punished as well and we lost 35-7.
Either Giant fans are schizophrenics by nature or rooting for them promotes schizophrenia.
Give it a rest. The Giants were damn lucky OBJ wasn't tossed, as evidenced by the entire NFL saying he should have been after the game. And then GETTING suspended. But I'm sure that's Mara's fault too somehow.
I will admit the decision making this year and the odd lack of discipline with Beckham do stand out. I still think Reese/Ross should have been sent packing too.
I'm gonna choose to remember the man that made a seriously positive impact on the majority of his players and whose transformed outlook on coaching helped up s win two unforgettably amazing Super Bowl runs.
I'm not sure what else I can ask for. The last four years were tough but fuck if I'm not completely satisfied overall with his tenure.
He didn't only teach those players, I myself learned a ton from him paying such close attention to every press clipping and everything else all these years.
I love that man and I couldn't be more thankful for his time here.
I will admit the decision making this year and the odd lack of discipline with Beckham do stand out. I still think Reese/Ross should have been sent packing too.
OBJ has been pretty silent about this whole thing. Can we call him Coach Killer?
I agree. Extending one year is a bad idea because it is a half-hearted vote of confidence. Hard to coach that way.
I waited to post until I felt strongly enough about the commentary to warrant jumping in. This discussion about TC has emboldened me. IMHO, TC was rightly fired. Yes, he served the organization well for many years and the two Lombardi Trophies speak for themselves. He was a fine coach in a global sense, as a motivator, planner, man in charge. But, as a game day coach I believe that he has been sorely lacking. In this year alone, the mismanagement at the end of the Dallas game, the unfathomable decision not to kick the FG in the Jets game, the embarrassing failure to sit OBJ for even a few plays or series in the Carolina game and the foolhardy decision to keep Eli in the hopelessly lost Vikings game until the last few minutes, collectively show such a lack of game management skills to warrant his dismissal. In fact, the Jets and Panther debacles were individually fire-able offenses IMV. Thank you TC for giving my sons and me some of the greatest fan memories of our lives. You did good; now it's time to move on.
OK, I'm done with my first post; have at me.
I waited to post until I felt strongly enough about the commentary to warrant jumping in. This discussion about TC has emboldened me. IMHO, TC was rightly fired. Yes, he served the organization well for many years and the two Lombardi Trophies speak for themselves. He was a fine coach in a global sense, as a motivator, planner, man in charge. But, as a game day coach I believe that he has been sorely lacking. In this year alone, the mismanagement at the end of the Dallas game, the unfathomable decision not to kick the FG in the Jets game, the embarrassing failure to sit OBJ for even a few plays or series in the Carolina game and the foolhardy decision to keep Eli in the hopelessly lost Vikings game until the last few minutes, collectively show such a lack of game management skills to warrant his dismissal. In fact, the Jets and Panther debacles were individually fire-able offenses IMV. Thank you TC for giving my sons and me some of the greatest fan memories of our lives. You did good; now it's time to move on.
OK, I'm done with my first post; have at me.
Welcome aboard WillBags. While reasonable people can disagree about how it went down with TC's exit, I have no strong disagreement with your thoughts. Just so many odd decisions this season.
I'm gonna choose to remember the man that made a seriously positive impact on the majority of his players and whose transformed outlook on coaching helped us win two unforgettably amazing Super Bowl runs.
I'm not sure what else I can ask for. The last four years were tough but fuck if I'm not completely satisfied overall with his tenure.
He didn't only teach those players, I myself learned a ton from him paying such close attention to every press clipping and everything else all these years.
I love that man and I couldn't be more thankful for his time here.
+1
Listening to Mara on Kay Show I can see why Coughlin walked right past him--disgraceful treating TC this way IMHO
Rich Coutinho @coutinho9 10 minutes ago
NY endings very rarely end well--Namath,Ewing,Clyde, even Seaver--but the way Mara alludes to TC is really unfair-this guy gave him so much
I just listened to the whole interview and can't say I agree. I thought Mara did a pretty good job and was not disrespectful to TC.
? What do you need a GM for if he is not responsible for the fucking talent level on the team.
? What do you need a GM for if he is not responsible for the fucking talent level on the team.
that's good stuff. and agree 100%
I understand that everyone contributes to decisions, but realistically The coaches pay ZERO attention to college football until February. Then they play catch up by reading reports and watching some film and combine etc.
We have accepted that JR actively scouts the 1 & 2 pick the most. is it not reasonable to think the same as the HC and the rest of the coaches? They both have to rely on Marc Ross (with a fucking "C") and the scouts. the difference is the coaches primary jobs are may- Jan, while the FO is Feb- May
Making the playoffs was in the interest of the the team, the franchise and OBJ.
When Reese lets JPP and Prince walk, which you have to expect given the man's history of re-signing his better vets, who on the defensive roster will be left who could start on an NFL playoff team. DRC? Anyone else?
The lean years are here folks. If they don't get the right coach and Jerry Reese do something to improve this roster it may be 1966 revisited and we all know the story that ensued. As a matter of fact, we are a third of the way there already. Six of the last seven years have been putrid. If not for the unforseen Super Bowl run that magically came out of nowhere it would be seven years running. And don't forget, Tom was about to be run out of NewYork then already. That year was nothing to speak of either until Victor cruz ripped off that ninety nine harder against the Jets. Yeah that Jerry Reese he sure knows how to fix a broken team.
This!