Frankly I'm bored, and there won't be any exciting news on the Giants coaching front today or tomorrow so I took some time to look at the backgrounds of DOug Marrone and Mike Smith.
I gotta tell you Marrone's background is not very inspiring other than I like the fact that he was an offensive lineman in college and as a journeyman in the pros
Doug Marrone's Biography. He has no years as a coach where his teams showed any kind of dominance - his two winning years at Syracuse were 8-5 Seasons and he was 6-10 and 9-7 as Buffalo's head coach. His biggest claim to fame was being Sean Payton's OC in New Orleans. Mike Pettine worked for him and has hardly been a stellar head coach. He has been solid but unspectacular for the Jaguars who are improved offensively with him as coach. Besides the fact that he has head coaching experience, I don't see him as a real upgrade over MacAdoo - in fact neither one fills me with confidence they can bring the Giants to the Promised Land.
On the other hand Mike Smith has demonstrated some real sizzle and several very solid years of Head Coaching. He had two 13 win seasons at Atlanta and 5 of his 7 years there with winning records. His Coaching record at Atlanta reminds me a lot of Coughlin's coaching record in Jacksonville - early strong success and then petering out. He orchestrated a solid running and passing game in Atlanta with Michael Turner at Running Back and Roddy White and Michael Jenkins at Wide Receiver - and solid pass rushing defense featuring John Abraham, and working with a solid but less than spectacular QB in Matty Ryan. He coached linebackers under Brian Billick and helped the Ravens take a=art the Giants defensively in the 2000 Superbowl and he was AP Coach of the year in 2008.
Overall my assessment is that this is a guy with something to prove and a Coughlinesque background.
Mike Smith's Biography - (
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Marrone - aside from physical comparisons made to Parcells, I don't know what the interest there is.
As usual, Mara is a year too late. There were plenty of good candidates last year and the best one is now coaching the Jets.
Im told a name that's very much in play for the NYG job is Doug Marrone. If Detroit HC job opens up, add Marrone's name to that list too.
Im told a name that's very much in play for the NYG job is Doug Marrone. If Detroit HC job opens up, add Marrone's name to that list too.
the lack of "chatter" that we're hearing about Mike Smith...is really surprising.
Andy -- not only is he right to help the Giants rebuild the Defense, with a strong defensive background, but he has demonstrated an ability to oversee a potent offense as head coach.
Kudos to the Giants - where there used to be one giant (pun intended) leak in the back of the building where all the information poured out of, they seem to be pretty sealed shut now. The unfortunate side effect of that is people taking that to mean that they don't know what they're doing.
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Smith is a defensive coach....which I think is a great thing, as we really need to rebuild our defense. He was a very good d-coordinator.
Andy -- not only is he right to help the Giants rebuild the Defense, with a strong defensive background, but he has demonstrated an ability to oversee a potent offense as head coach.
I think there is alot of reasons why he makes sense....but I seem to be in the minority. Sometimes with these guys...you really don't know the reputation they have within the league. Maybe his is tarnished because of his last 2 years with Atlanta? I don't know.
Kudos to the Giants - where there used to be one giant (pun intended) leak in the back of the building where all the information poured out of, they seem to be pretty sealed shut now. The unfortunate side effect of that is people taking that to mean that they don't know what they're doing.
There seems to be chatter that suggests Marrone, Mcadoo and now Hue Jackson are the leaders.....it surprises me that Smith is not mentioned like they are.
Ranaan, for example - who is pretty plugged in - mentioned a surprised candidate and said Marrone was highly regarded, and we haven't heard much from him in awhile.
I think the Giants are keeping their cards close to the vest on this one.
He was atrocious in that playoff game against the Giants. No both 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 he gave away where the play was going.
Empty set backfield and only a QB. It was obvious the call was a QB keeper
One back and no receiver - it's obvious the play wasn't a pass
No way i want to watch coaching blunders and Mike Smith
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We're hearing the Giants are interested in this guy or that one - but that's about it.
Kudos to the Giants - where there used to be one giant (pun intended) leak in the back of the building where all the information poured out of, they seem to be pretty sealed shut now. The unfortunate side effect of that is people taking that to mean that they don't know what they're doing.
There seems to be chatter that suggests Marrone, Mcadoo and now Hue Jackson are the leaders.....it surprises me that Smith is not mentioned like they are.
Not sure it surprises me.
Starting to see trends in candidates and interviews. They want an offensive guy.
McAdoo, Marrone, Jackson. All offensive coaches, all seemed to get the most talk as 'short list guys'.
Austin, Smith, Spagnuolo you hear nothing about.
agreed....if there is a weakness, that's it.
To me though, that can be improved on. He took a year off...I would think he studied and researches stats and scenarios of what to do, how to react in certain critical situations in a game. And you can hire someone to help you with that....so I don't think that should be held against him.
After replacing Fewell with Spags (who had a 32nd ranked defense on his resume and repeated the feat here in 2015) we're going to replace Spags with another coach whose most recent credential is a 32nd ranked D?
I know the Giants value continuity, but really.
Marty Schottenheimer, Washington Redskins (2001)
Steve Spurrier, Washington Redskins (20022003)
Marvin Lewis, Cincinnati Bengals (20042006) (2012present)
Bobby Petrino, Atlanta Falcons (2007)
Emmitt Thomas (Interim), Atlanta Falcons (2007)
John Harbaugh, Baltimore Ravens (20082009)
Tom Cable, Oakland Raiders (2010)
Marvin Lewis (2011-2015)
Hue Jackson's Biography - ( New Window )
He was Head Coach in 2011
Clause in the contract? Belichick
After replacing Fewell with Spags (who had a 32nd ranked defense on his resume and repeated the feat here in 2015) we're going to replace Spags with another coach whose most recent credential is a 32nd ranked D?
I know the Giants value continuity, but really.
their talent in 2014 sucked. They were relying on Osi Umenyiora and Cory Beirman for a pass rush.
Kudos to the Giants - where there used to be one giant (pun intended) leak in the back of the building where all the information poured out of, they seem to be pretty sealed shut now. The unfortunate side effect of that is people taking that to mean that they don't know what they're doing.
Any idea who that was? The leak, I mean
1Saban
2Smith
3McAdoo
4Spags
I truly believe they need an defensive background coach. Obviously if the right candidate came up I'd be all for an Offensive minded coach who hires an AWESOME DC. Holmgren with McAdoo OC and Smith DC?
Hey -- if he comes on strong with the Giants in the beginning and we can get a Superbowl out of him -- he will be well worth having
Gruden
Bellicheck
those are fantasy football wishes
Mike Smith hits on all the things Mara said the Giant's valued
1Saban
2Smith
3McAdoo
4Spags
I truly believe they need an defensive background coach. Obviously if the right candidate came up I'd be all for an Offensive minded coach who hires an AWESOME DC. Holmgren with McAdoo OC and Smith DC?
As the old saying goes, you don't know what you've got until it's gone.
He was atrocious in that playoff game against the Giants. No both 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 he gave away where the play was going.
Empty set backfield and only a QB. It was obvious the call was a QB keeper
One back and no receiver - it's obvious the play wasn't a pass
No way i want to watch coaching blunders and Mike Smith
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I doubt Mike Smith actually called those plays, he's primarily a coach on the defensive side of the ball . He'll have said go for it but keep it on the ground. It'll have been the OC who called the actual play I'd imagine.
Marrone - aside from physical comparisons made to Parcells, I don't know what the interest there is.
^^ Agree completely with this and with the thread starter.
Ranaan, for example - who is pretty plugged in - mentioned a surprised candidate and said Marrone was highly regarded, and we haven't heard much from him in awhile.
I think the Giants are keeping their cards close to the vest on this one.
Ranaan has since said that was purely his speculation and not based on any inside info.
Marrone - aside from physical comparisons made to Parcells, I don't know what the interest there is.
You've stolen my thoughts.
There are a lot of guys with brief HC experience but limited or no success who are looking for redemption (Marrone,Jackson and Spags probably head this pretty long list and you know who they are).
There are up and coming coordinators with no HC experience.
Last time, a I recall, the second round of interviews consisted of guys from Groups 1 and 3 but I don't remember anyone from Group 2. So they didn't have a solid plan of who they wanted last time. Maybe they lucked into Coughlin or maybe they ignored the experience and still decided Coughlin was best.
I hope they don't rely on luck again. I still think some HC experience is important.
He was atrocious in that playoff game against the Giants. No both 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 he gave away where the play was going.
Empty set backfield and only a QB. It was obvious the call was a QB keeper
One back and no receiver - it's obvious the play wasn't a pass
No way i want to watch coaching blunders and Mike Smith
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The Giants already know how to do this :(
Nothing happened but it just didn't really click.
They did destroy the Giants in 2012 and go on to the Final Four, but I do not remember the Smith Falcons as some type of juggernaut.
He was atrocious in that playoff game against the Giants. No both 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 he gave away where the play was going.
Empty set backfield and only a QB. It was obvious the call was a QB keeper
One back and no receiver - it's obvious the play wasn't a pass
No way i want to watch coaching blunders and Mike Smith
Pass
So one bad play call undoes 5 years of success in Atlanta? Being a coach is a lot more then just the X's & O's. These guys are leaders of their organizations. Don't ask me why, but I started reading Mike Smith's book and he is very open about what went wrong the last two years in Atlanta and what he learned from it. Not sure if he will be our coach...but I'm impressed with him...
Why? Just curious. Seems like he had some success in Atlanta. Although, it seems odd that he was out of coaching last year...
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For Coach.Smith!! I dont want anything to do with him being associated with this team
Why? Just curious. Seems like he had some success in Atlanta. Although, it seems odd that he was out of coaching last year...
Anish has some personal history with Coach Smith.
I think the situation is just so fluid that what is true yesterday might be old news by today. Coaches are human beings with families, changes of heart, and all have trusted advisers who guide them.
I HOPE that the Giants are just setting up their coaching search similarly to how they would set up a draft board.
It's ok if you don't get option A if he doesn't want the job but you better be getting B or C.
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In comment 12760427 AnishPatel said:
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For Coach.Smith!! I dont want anything to do with him being associated with this team
Why? Just curious. Seems like he had some success in Atlanta. Although, it seems odd that he was out of coaching last year...
Anish has some personal history with Coach Smith.
Ahh...gotcha
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For Coach.Smith!! I dont want anything to do with him being associated with this team
Why? Just curious. Seems like he had some success in Atlanta. Although, it seems odd that he was out of coaching last year...
Yes, Jon is correct. I did some work for him when he was in Atlanta and I got screwed over. So, I am not a fan of his. I was happy when we beat him twice, once during the regular season and other in the playoffs. Last ththing I want is for him to be here in NY.