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RV NJ Fan : 1/12/2016 2:09 pm
I have not posted in awhile, since the hacking issue, but I figured I would share what I have heard on the Giants coaching search.

Don't shoot the messenger, but I have ran this and my source by Eric again.

This disappoints me, as like everybody else, I was hoping the Giants were pulling a red herring, but they are not.

They had planned to hire McAdoo as others have reported, but they were encouraged to speak to Hue Jackson, because of his overall resume on both sides of the ball. Also, they are intrigued by how he used his Running Backs and skill position players, especially AJ Green with less than great QB play. That being said, they have a lot of competition for Jackson.

Also asked about Cowher and Saban, neither has any interest, not sure a call was even placed to Saban, maybe through back channels. Cowher is happy doing what he is doing.

The most interesting tidbit was on Josh McDaniels, who I liked for the job and this is what my source wrote me. I am not sure if he got this from the Giants or one of his sources, but it is pretty blunt.

The Giants are the ultimate company-man franchise, and the league's committee that recommends coaching candidates to franchises didn't even put McDaniels on its preferred list. He's a cocky, weird dude who pissed off everyone as a HC in Denver and who did a terrible job as Spags' OC in St. Louis....And maybe Bob Quinn, the new Detroit GM and ex-Patriots front office guy, has already promised him the gig after the playoffs -- when he fires Caldwell.

Again, don't shoot the messenger, but I would say that McAdoo adn Jackson are candidates 1 and 1A.
Thanks!  
tbonfig : 1/12/2016 2:12 pm : link
Great getting some inside info
Appreciate the tip  
David in LA : 1/12/2016 2:12 pm : link
If we're not getting a big name like Saban, then I hope we end up with Hue. I'm sure McAdoo is the favorite going in though.
Whether You are Right, Wrong, or Indifferent  
Bob in Vt : 1/12/2016 2:12 pm : link
Thank you for the post
Interesting.  
bLiTz 2k : 1/12/2016 2:13 pm : link
Thanks for the post.

Personally I don't want McDaniels because of everything stated right there. Hugh Jackson has had the most positional coach success in my opinion, so I am pretty excited about his interview.
Thanks for posting  
mfsd : 1/12/2016 2:15 pm : link
Makes sense
I agree about McDaniels.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2016 2:15 pm : link
I don't think he was ever in the cards for the Giants because of the reputation and personality. They're not going to pick the big time, abrasive personality any more than they were going to hire Rex Ryan.
Works for Me,  
clatterbuck : 1/12/2016 2:15 pm : link
I'd be Ok with either. Greater risk but higher potential reward than Marrone or Smith. If Smith doesn't get a HC gig, I'd be happy with him as DC.
No  
Shadow : 1/12/2016 2:16 pm : link
Patricia McDaniels.
My Cat just left me a sign it McAdoo too.
I've heard the same about McDaniels  
Sy'56 : 1/12/2016 2:16 pm : link
He does not mesh well with a lot of people.
Did McDaniels bang  
Chris684 : 1/12/2016 2:17 pm : link
Peyton Hillis's wife? Or was it the other way around?

Or am I completely mistaken?
RE: Did McDaniels bang  
Chris in Philly : 1/12/2016 2:18 pm : link
In comment 12760485 Chris684 said:
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Peyton Hillis's wife? Or was it the other way around?

Or am I completely mistaken?


I think it was the other way around.

Thanks, RV.
I hope this winds up false  
JonC : 1/12/2016 2:20 pm : link
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Thanks a lot for sharing, it's much appreciated.  
bceagle05 : 1/12/2016 2:21 pm : link
Though not what I want to hear.
I also hope this is false  
pjcas18 : 1/12/2016 2:22 pm : link
but it adds some color and maybe a more detailed description of the "dog and pony show" that makes it more believable.

Sounds like Jackson is a legit candidate, but the Giants won't give up personnel control or probably win a bidding war (if it comes to that), so they consider him less than likely, assuming he interviews well.

And they'd be comfortable with McAdoo as coach, so as long as he's not hired by someone else, and Jackson goes elsewhere, he's their guy.
Who the hell is Hue Jackson...  
Chris in Philly : 1/12/2016 2:23 pm : link
to demand full control? I'd tell him to pound sand...
RE: RE: Did McDaniels bang  
Shadow : 1/12/2016 2:23 pm : link
In comment 12760488 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 12760485 Chris684 said:


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Peyton Hillis's wife? Or was it the other way around?

Or am I completely mistaken?



I think it was the other way around.

Thanks, RV.

McDaniels banged Peyton Hillis????? That is a wild man.
Nobody banged anybody.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/12/2016 2:26 pm : link
Chris684 said:
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Did McDaniels bang Peyton Hillis's wife? Or was it the other way around? Or am I completely mistaken?

The rumor was that Hillis was traded after hitting on Laura McDaniels. Accounts vary, but I don't think even the most lurid version involved consummation.

Now, Danny Kanell and Whitney Casey (Sehorn)... that's a different story.
Eh.  
Ryan in Albany : 1/12/2016 2:27 pm : link
I'll believe when I see it's official.
RE: Who the hell is Hue Jackson...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/12/2016 2:28 pm : link
In comment 12760505 Chris in Philly said:
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to demand full control? I'd tell him to pound sand...


I had a similar reaction.
I don't  
Josh in the City : 1/12/2016 2:28 pm : link
mind McAdoo. I just hope there is enough of a change to warrant replacing Coughlin with his OC.
I wouldn't mind McAdoo  
beatrixkiddo : 1/12/2016 2:31 pm : link
either. I just want him to bring a 3-4 DC in, I have no indication or clue as to how the guy views defense.
One good thing about bringing in jackson?  
nygiants16 : 1/12/2016 2:34 pm : link
He is most likely going to try and bring Schwartz with him as DC
Coughlin  
RV NJ Fan : 1/12/2016 2:35 pm : link
On Coughlin, the only thing that I was told, that after 12 years it was time for a change, a new voice. I am not a fan of promoting McAdoo, but we can't assume that he will be the same as Coughlin with game management.

Coughlin's issue is the talent and I agree as the Giants only have 8 players worth keeping past this year, which is Reese's fault. (Eli, ODB, Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Hankins, DRC and Collins.) Possibly JPP and Prince at the right prices. I am not considering special teams.
RE: Who the hell is Hue Jackson...  
pjcas18 : 1/12/2016 2:35 pm : link
In comment 12760505 Chris in Philly said:
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to demand full control? I'd tell him to pound sand...


He may not have, that's 100% just guessing on my part on how one potential coaching job could be more attractive than the other.

I mean, if you're Hue Jackson why would you pick CLE over NYG? There isn't a reason I can think of other than if they let you shop for the groceries (or at least have a significant input to personnel)
Let's hire a guy coming off back to back 6-10 seasons  
Stan in LA : 1/12/2016 2:36 pm : link
Brilliant!
I'd agree that my main concern is what this team does on defense  
Go Terps : 1/12/2016 2:36 pm : link
If there is a term stronger than "blow it up" I would like to see that happen. New people, new scheme, new ideas.
I know that if a DC is under contract  
giants#1 : 1/12/2016 2:36 pm : link
with team A, then team B can't sign him away as a DC. But can they sign team A's DC and make him DC/Asst HC?

Though most the guys they've interviewed appear to be OC's, they could also be interviewing options for a potential new DC spot. For example, if what the OP says about Caldwell is true, then maybe that means Austin will be released as well and they are interested in bringing him on as a DC with McAdoo HC.
...  
christian : 1/12/2016 2:36 pm : link
I believe the Giants always viewed Macadoo as successor, and hoped it would be a few years from now, but Coughlin gave them basically no reasons to save his job.
If this is how they feel..  
Chris684 : 1/12/2016 2:36 pm : link
Is the perfect scenario then..

Jackson as head coach with Ben Mac sticking around as OC?

Is that a possibility?
Bleh  
illmatic : 1/12/2016 2:37 pm : link
I was 50/50 on whether they should fire Coughlin or not this season but if McAdoo or Jackson are the choices, they should have just kept him. This is a joke.
Danny Kanell  
Shadow : 1/12/2016 2:37 pm : link
Stud! Wonder if Mrs Sehorn was a wide Receiver or Tight End
Hohhot Rim Shot...
So if McAdoo  
jvm52106 : 1/12/2016 2:39 pm : link
(and that makes me very sad) for HC does that mean Spags stays as the DC?

RE: Bleh  
David in LA : 1/12/2016 2:41 pm : link
In comment 12760545 illmatic said:
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I was 50/50 on whether they should fire Coughlin or not this season but if McAdoo or Jackson are the choices, they should have just kept him. This is a joke.


Why are you so down on Jackson? Does he really want total control? It seems like that's a stipulation for dumpster fire clubs like Cleveland.
Jackson  
RV NJ Fan : 1/12/2016 2:41 pm : link
If Jackson or any other offensive coordinator comes in, McAdoo is out and goes back to Green Bay.
Nobody knows anything one way or the other  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2016 2:42 pm : link
He wanted personnel control in oakland because the Raiders were a directionless ship after the old man passed away.
RV I think  
Chris684 : 1/12/2016 2:42 pm : link
you have to include Vereen and Harris on your keep list no?

As far as Harris, I know you said you werent considering specials but I think he proved enough as a WR to say that he is a very good 3 or 4 WR and tough as nails.

As for Vereen, it's not his fault he wasnt utilized until game number 16.

If I was Mara I would ask Ben Mac to explain the Vereen situation. I'd also ask about the 3rd and goal against New England just before we kicked the FG only to lose the game.
we need better talent on this team.  
totowa_gman : 1/12/2016 2:42 pm : link
Lombardi could be resurrected to coach this team and would lay an egg. I'm over the should have kept Coughlin stuff, that being said if they don't upgrade this team big time it wont matter who the coach is.
Spags  
RV NJ Fan : 1/12/2016 2:42 pm : link
Don't underestimate how much the Giants love Spags, they don't think this season was his fault. Again, I disagree, because he has been terrible for years.
RE: Let's hire a guy coming off back to back 6-10 seasons  
Shadow : 1/12/2016 2:42 pm : link
In comment 12760540 Stan in LA said:
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Brilliant!

Only 4 teams scored more than we did.
But hey let's go fresh and blow off 2016 and 2017 hey Eli is young..wait
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 1/12/2016 2:43 pm : link
In comment 12760543 christian said:
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I believe the Giants always viewed Macadoo as successor, and hoped it would be a few years from now, but Coughlin gave them basically no reasons to save his job.


It was not the Giants that viewed him as succesor, it was Coughlin...
not going to show very well to Jackson  
Rocky369 : 1/12/2016 2:43 pm : link
that the Giants had to be convinced to bring him in for an interview.

and what's with this committee that recommends coaching? any one else find that strange?
RE: Spags  
nygiants16 : 1/12/2016 2:43 pm : link
In comment 12760568 RV NJ Fan said:
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Don't underestimate how much the Giants love Spags, they don't think this season was his fault. Again, I disagree, because he has been terrible for years.


If Mcadoo and Spags are HC and DC i am extrememly dissapointed, at that point might as well of just kept Coughlin..
RE: Coughlin  
Bob from Massachusetts : 1/12/2016 2:44 pm : link
In comment 12760537 RV NJ Fan said:
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On Coughlin, the only thing that I was told, that after 12 years it was time for a change, a new voice. I am not a fan of promoting McAdoo, but we can't assume that he will be the same as Coughlin with game management.

Coughlin's issue is the talent and I agree as the Giants only have 8 players worth keeping past this year, which is Reese's fault. (Eli, ODB, Flowers, Pugh, Richburg, Hankins, DRC and Collins.) Possibly JPP and Prince at the right prices. I am not considering special teams.


Also Hankins, Vereen, maybe Jennings, maybe one or two others
I think the only way  
chopperhatch : 1/12/2016 2:44 pm : link
I dont like Mac for the job is if we have to keep Spags as DC. Terms is right. We need a complete rebuild on D. We have no leaders on that side of the ball.
Chris  
RV NJ Fan : 1/12/2016 2:45 pm : link
Agreed on Vereen, but if they are not going to use him right, they might as well cut him.

The Giants need a running back that is elusive through the hole and makes people miss. As for Vereen, they can probably find a cheaper option.

I would keep Harris, but again, he makes a lot of money for what he is, a 4th WR.
RE: not going to show very well to Jackson  
David in LA : 1/12/2016 2:45 pm : link
In comment 12760576 Rocky369 said:
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that the Giants had to be convinced to bring him in for an interview.

and what's with this committee that recommends coaching? any one else find that strange?


Makes it seem like an old boys club.
Promoting BM certainly feels like another half-measure decision  
JonC : 1/12/2016 2:46 pm : link
Vereen and Jennings are closer to contributors than core, which I suspect is closer to what the poster meant.
I think it has always been McAdoo..  
Sean : 1/12/2016 2:48 pm : link
I bet McAdoo really impressed them during the OC interview and he was hired with an eye towards Coughlin's replacement. The fact that this team went 6-10 back to back seasons makes the transition a little more tricky than just handing over the keys to him.

I like the idea of Hue Jackson though. I've read that Joe Flacco loved working for him, the players really seem to like him. Also, 8-8 with Oakland is nothing to be ashamed about.
RE: RE: Bleh  
illmatic : 1/12/2016 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12760560 David in LA said:
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In comment 12760545 illmatic said:


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I was 50/50 on whether they should fire Coughlin or not this season but if McAdoo or Jackson are the choices, they should have just kept him. This is a joke.



Why are you so down on Jackson? Does he really want total control? It seems like that's a stipulation for dumpster fire clubs like Cleveland.


I'm more down on McAdoo than Jackson though I guess Jackson is the best of the bunch between him, McAdoo, Marrone and Smith. But I'm not really blown away by Jackson like most others are just because he had one average season with a poor team. Plus hiring him means McAdoo is gone as OC and I'd kind of like to see him retain that role for continuity if possible. Which probably isn't realistic or likely but still.

I also don't think Jackson is a legit candidate if the information is true that they had to be recommended to interview him. Who even makes that recommendation anyway? Would Reese push for it, wanting a guy with at least some HC experience when his job is on the line?
Thanks for posting  
bxgiants4 : 1/12/2016 2:50 pm : link
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RV any opinion on  
andrew_nyg : 1/12/2016 2:52 pm : link
Matt Patricia of the Patriots?
I think if Hue was "pushed" on the Giants  
nygiants16 : 1/12/2016 2:54 pm : link
to interview, he would not be stalling the Browns and Niners, to get an interview with the Giants..
If we do go with MacAdoo, I hope we don't keep Spags  
mfsd : 1/12/2016 2:54 pm : link
and Mac gets a say in who will be his DC. Don't like the idea of him being forced to keep a DC who got passed over for the promotion himself.

Spags came up aces in 2007, but that was with a hall of famer plus 2 other pro bowl level players on the DL in Stray, Tuck, and Osi plus a quality MLB in Pierce. We've got nothing close to that level of talent on defense now. Spags has been exposed since then in his subsequent stops.

I agree it's time to rebuild with a new DC who gets a say in drafting/signing his type of guys.
Thanks  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/12/2016 2:54 pm : link
Ralph. Good Info
Vereen was 5th among RBs in catches & Targets  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/12/2016 2:55 pm : link
and was tied for 2nd in receiving TDs.

He had MORE receptions, targets, and TDs than he had the previous season with the Patriots... how exactly was he used wrong?
thanks for the inside info  
Les in TO : 1/12/2016 2:55 pm : link
hiring McAdoo would be similar to the fassel hire.

I would love to know the decision making process over game planning/playcalling. i.e. how much leash McAdoo had to control the offense vs how much coughlin had input/overruled decisions.
RE: Vereen was 5th among RBs in catches & Targets  
Giants in 07 : 1/12/2016 2:57 pm : link
In comment 12760610 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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and was tied for 2nd in receiving TDs.

He had MORE receptions, targets, and TDs than he had the previous season with the Patriots... how exactly was he used wrong?


Because he should have been used more since he's probably the 2nd best option we had on offense.

In regards to the OP, I just don't understand what they are trying to do. All this just to hire McAdoo? Doesn't make any sense to me.
I'll be honest  
UberAlias : 1/12/2016 2:57 pm : link
I don't mind McAdoo, but if that's the plan and he was the guy, the first thing that comes to mind is, we should have never fired TC.

If you ignore the age consideration, I seriously doubt there is another team out there who would opt for McAdoo over TC as a short term option, given the choice.
All you are doing is keeping things the same  
UberAlias : 1/12/2016 2:59 pm : link
Plus adding risk because the new guys has zero experience.
RE: RV any opinion on  
Shadow : 1/12/2016 2:59 pm : link
In comment 12760600 andrew_nyg said:
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Matt Patricia of the Patriots?

Not that chick again.
To me... It's all about the Giants trying to save face with Tom...  
Damon : 1/12/2016 3:00 pm : link
If McAdoo is the guy... AND there is a real possibility of Tom joining the front office..

Why not wait a bit... And see if the next chapter in TC's career is with the Giants or not. IF Tom falls on his sword, and takes a job with the Giants, they win because some who felt Tom was wronged by the Giants will see his finger prints on McAdoo... and feel better about his promotion.

If Tom ends up elsewhere... "We cast a wide net and it was clear that after an extensive search the most impressive guy and the right guy for the team, right now is Ben McAdoo."

It all comes back to Tom. The spin will revolve around Tom.
RE: Vereen was 5th among RBs in catches & Targets  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2016 3:01 pm : link
In comment 12760610 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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and was tied for 2nd in receiving TDs.

He had MORE receptions, targets, and TDs than he had the previous season with the Patriots... how exactly was he used wrong?


Perhaps wrong is less accurate than not enough. There were five games this season where he caught 0-1 passes. On a team with no weapons outside of Beckham, that can't really be.

There were 5 games this season where he caught 6-8 passes.
I wouldn't be throwing out Devon Kennard either  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/12/2016 3:02 pm : link
...
Thanks for sharing your rumors  
Torrag : 1/12/2016 3:04 pm : link
Opinions are always welcome on BBI.

Personally I have 5 candidates ahead of MacAdoo and Jackson. So I wouldn't be too keen on either guy TBH. We'll see how it all plays out.

Saban
Patricia
Smith
McDermott
McDaniels
RE: RE: Vereen was 5th among RBs in catches & Targets  
Shadow : 1/12/2016 3:04 pm : link
In comment 12760629 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 12760610 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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and was tied for 2nd in receiving TDs.

He had MORE receptions, targets, and TDs than he had the previous season with the Patriots... how exactly was he used wrong?



Perhaps wrong is less accurate than not enough. There were five games this season where he caught 0-1 passes. On a team with no weapons outside of Beckham, that can't really be.

There were 5 games this season where he caught 6-8 passes.

Maybe cause the other teams were adjusting coverage to him and OBJ.
You can't throw it to him if he is covered.
who are some DC options  
DCPollaro : 1/12/2016 3:07 pm : link
if its McAdoo?
Thanks RV  
HomerJones45 : 1/12/2016 3:07 pm : link
very well done and much appreciated.
How was Vereen used wrong?  
KWALL2 : 1/12/2016 3:10 pm : link
He wasn't out there enough. That's how.

I don't care about number of catches. He had more here because the only other pass catching option we have is Beckham. They should have used Vereen a lot more.

A bigger issue was failing to use Beckham more. More? Yes More! We threw him about 6-7 screens all year. That's outrageous. This is a no risk play. Look how PIT uses the play early in games to get Brown the ball. They do it every game. ANd often. They throw it to Bryant too.

NYG should have had more plays getting Beckham the ball on short routes/screens.

They should have thrown them to guys like Harris and Vereen split wide.

This guys Jackson does it? Great. Would love to see him in NYG next year.

McDaniel? He's a clowm. Glad he's not on the radar.
Jints Front office bringing back memories  
BigBlueCane : 1/12/2016 3:10 pm : link
of the 70's.
Another thing I don't understand that maybe  
Chris684 : 1/12/2016 3:12 pm : link
others can shed some light on.

The OP says the Giants "had wanted" to hire McAdoo but didnt b/c Jackson was highly recommended.

The problem I have with this thinking is that if they really "wanted" to hire Ben McAdoo, they interviewed him last Tuesday, the day after TC walked out the door. If that's your guy, you hire him because that is your belief and in this business you better have strong convictions. If you don't lock up the guy you are strongly considering, you sure as hell don't let him interview with the Philadelphia Eagles. What do the Giants have to gain by letting the Eagles brass sit in a room alone with their #1 head coaching candidate.

Also, if Hue Jackson is the reason they waited on McAdoo, how would that have made sense last Tuesday, considering right now Jackson could just as easily be prepping for the divisional round of the playoffs with perhaps even more time to even sniff an interview with the guy.

I don't dispute the info or the source, just saying it makes no sense from a mgmt. standpoint which is scary.

As a fan, if the Giants hire McAdoo my first gut feeling is going to be that this search did not exactly go as they planned.

On the flipside, if McAdoo was named head coach some time late last week I would have said to myself, the Giants like this guy's makeup and see him as a real up and coming mind.
RE: Another thing I don't understand that maybe  
nygiants16 : 1/12/2016 3:14 pm : link
In comment 12760673 Chris684 said:
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others can shed some light on.

The OP says the Giants "had wanted" to hire McAdoo but didnt b/c Jackson was highly recommended.

The problem I have with this thinking is that if they really "wanted" to hire Ben McAdoo, they interviewed him last Tuesday, the day after TC walked out the door. If that's your guy, you hire him because that is your belief and in this business you better have strong convictions. If you don't lock up the guy you are strongly considering, you sure as hell don't let him interview with the Philadelphia Eagles. What do the Giants have to gain by letting the Eagles brass sit in a room alone with their #1 head coaching candidate.

Also, if Hue Jackson is the reason they waited on McAdoo, how would that have made sense last Tuesday, considering right now Jackson could just as easily be prepping for the divisional round of the playoffs with perhaps even more time to even sniff an interview with the guy.

I don't dispute the info or the source, just saying it makes no sense from a mgmt. standpoint which is scary.

As a fan, if the Giants hire McAdoo my first gut feeling is going to be that this search did not exactly go as they planned.

On the flipside, if McAdoo was named head coach some time late last week I would have said to myself, the Giants like this guy's makeup and see him as a real up and coming mind.


This was exactly my point in the other thread...

The longer this goes the more and more the Giants seem like they are getting cold feet in hiring Mcadoo
If they do end up hiring McAdoo  
Mike from Ohio : 1/12/2016 3:22 pm : link
I agree with JonC that this is another half measure solution.

Some days it seems to me that the front office thinks in terms of "If Coughlin doesn't make the playoffs, we need to fire him" instead of "The team isn't winning. What is broken and how do we fix it."
RE: Let's hire a guy coming off back to back 6-10 seasons  
an_idol_mind : 1/12/2016 3:24 pm : link
In comment 12760540 Stan in LA said:
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Brilliant!


Eh, it worked out pretty well the last time they did it.
Thanks  
AcidTest : 1/12/2016 3:27 pm : link
for the information. Sounds like it will be McAdoo or Jackson, which is what I and others assumed. The rest is just talk, but due diligence demands that everyone be interviewed.

Harris, Vereen, Jennings, Tye, Hart, OO, Bromley, Brown, and Wing, are players I would add to your list.
So if this is true  
The_Boss : 1/12/2016 3:27 pm : link
And there is no "big fish" or "surprise" candidate, then other than interviewing almost everyone available, what exactly is the direction or plan? What it feels like is they're looking for the first guy who is willing to keep McAdoo on his staff as OC because they feel the need to acquiesce to Eli.
RV...Which candidate is 1 and which one is 1A?  
Blue21 : 1/12/2016 3:28 pm : link
I assume neither position is established yet but it's one or the other?
question  
giantfan2000 : 1/12/2016 3:31 pm : link
can you find out about if Giants will be replacing trying staff and ronnie barnes
who are the ultimate causes for the Giants Injury fiascos of the past few years?
i wouldn't say the giants  
Les in TO : 1/12/2016 3:34 pm : link
not offering McAdoo the role yet is a sign that they don't fully trust him and want him as the coach. I think they are doing an exhaustive search for candidates and want to ensure they turn over every leaf to make the right choice. while they can't sit on the decision too long, I'd rather them interview widely rather than rush a decision to placate the need of a subset of giants fans for certainty.
RE: i wouldn't say the giants  
Mike from Ohio : 1/12/2016 3:38 pm : link
In comment 12760730 Les in TO said:
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not offering McAdoo the role yet is a sign that they don't fully trust him and want him as the coach. I think they are doing an exhaustive search for candidates and want to ensure they turn over every leaf to make the right choice. while they can't sit on the decision too long, I'd rather them interview widely rather than rush a decision to placate the need of a subset of giants fans for certainty.


Les, I don't disagree with the fact that it is always best to consider all options. I am just wondering if they "fired" Coughlin with the intention of promoting McAdoo, or whether they "fired" him knowing worst case scenario, they could promote McAdoo.
Some Answers  
RV NJ Fan : 1/12/2016 3:42 pm : link
I think McAdoo is 1 and Jackson is 1A, but Jackson is gaining momentum for various reasons, I was asked to not share.

I do think if McAdoo does not get the Giants or Eagles job, he heads back to the Packers as offensive coordinator.

Did not hear anything on Patricia, does not seem the NFL is high on him yet.
Thanks RV  
jcn56 : 1/12/2016 3:42 pm : link
Though I'd be disappointed if there's zero chance at Saban, I'm not too upset about McDaniels.

Not so much because I don't think the guy can succeed, but that I'm not so sure he'd be a great fit here and with Eli.
Seems  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/12/2016 3:43 pm : link
odd to me that Jackson wasn't interviewed before the owners meetings then...like the Browns and 49ers did.

Whole thing smells fishy to me still.
Kind of get the feeling  
Capital Rs : 1/12/2016 3:44 pm : link
...that before Thursday the Giants will know thru back channels whether Saban has an interest and if not, be ready to land Jackson if he nails the interview...that's my hope at least
It doesn't add for me either  
JonC : 1/12/2016 3:46 pm : link
.
Awful year to changes coaches.  
bceagle05 : 1/12/2016 3:47 pm : link
A bidding war for Hue Jackson - what a country.
RE: Some Answers  
Shadow : 1/12/2016 3:47 pm : link
In comment 12760761 RV NJ Fan said:
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I think McAdoo is 1 and Jackson is 1A, but Jackson is gaining momentum for various reasons, I was asked to not share.

I do think if McAdoo does not get the Giants or Eagles job, he heads back to the Packers as offensive coordinator.

Did not hear anything on Patricia, does not seem the NFL is high on him yet.

Only BBI is in love with that Patricia Belichick
I would be really disappointed and concerned..  
Sean : 1/12/2016 3:48 pm : link
if the Giants are pushing McAdoo on these potential coaches.
RE: Seems  
nygiants16 : 1/12/2016 3:49 pm : link
In comment 12760766 Eric from BBI said:
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odd to me that Jackson wasn't interviewed before the owners meetings then...like the Browns and 49ers did.

Whole thing smells fishy to me still.


Maybe it just didn't work out logistically...
and I don't think niners or browns interviewied him  
nygiants16 : 1/12/2016 3:50 pm : link
Was that ever reported?
I don't agree with the sentiment that losing McAdoo sets Eli back  
Shirk130 : 1/12/2016 3:50 pm : link
just because he has to learn a new system. Didn't he just learn a whole new system last year and ended up having a great year? Give Eli some time to throw and he can play in any system. Ok, maybe not the read option.
So Beatty, Cruz,  
RollBlue : 1/12/2016 3:53 pm : link
Schwartz, Jerry, Newhouse, Donnell, Tye, Ayers, Bromley, Collins, Kennard, Brown, DeOssie, Wynn, Wing, Darkwa, Hart, Nassib, Casillas, Thomas and Moore (MIA)won't be on any NFL rosters next year if they are all cut or not re-signed? That doesn't include Fells, who was having a decent year until the infection.

People are over the top on the roster. This team was in 14 games at the 2 minute warning, went 6-8. The team was not getting destroyed by anyone, until they got eliminated the night before Minnesota, after a week of OBJ distractions.

The other thing is they have picks 1-6 in the draft, and around $45 million in cap space. If management was so poor, they would have squandered high picks (see Washington)or be up against it cap wise. The team is poised to be able to complete for the division title next year.
When Giants fans are down on the Giants, everything is the worst.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2016 3:55 pm : link
They have work to do, but it's not the dark ages.
RE: Seems  
aimrocky : 1/12/2016 3:57 pm : link
In comment 12760766 Eric from BBI said:
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odd to me that Jackson wasn't interviewed before the owners meetings then...like the Browns and 49ers did.

Whole thing smells fishy to me still.


3 interviews in one day is a lot. Maybe it's that simple?
RollBlue  
Shirk130 : 1/12/2016 3:58 pm : link
your list of players are just a bunch of JAGS. If that's who we are relying on it's going to be a longer stretch of futility than I ever imagined.
Les  
Chris684 : 1/12/2016 3:59 pm : link
I see your point about McAdoo that it doesnt necessarily have to be an indictment of him that the Giants wanted to turn over every leaf.

I do, however, question them allowing Ben Mac to interview in Philly if that was the case.

I understand the Giants are a very accommodating franchise when it comes to career development, but they couldnt have stopped him from going to the Eagles for an interview? Even if they said, we will approve any interview except Philly?
hitdog had all the giants "short list"  
DCPollaro : 1/12/2016 4:01 pm : link
candidates..if we were high on Hue, why wouldn't we have him on that list? Or did Giants decide later on to add him to the search when he was close to being offered by SF/Cleveland?

Jackson  
RV NJ Fan : 1/12/2016 4:03 pm : link
I think there is an intermediary connecting the Giants and Jackson. I'm not sure he was on the original list.

I'm not in love with Jackson, but I prefer him to McAdoo for the simple reason that I feel the Giants need a complete overhaul from the training staff to the schemes.
aimrocky  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/12/2016 4:03 pm : link
Two things. They had Sunday and Monday to do interviews. My understanding is the Browns and 49ers interviewed him on Sunday.

Secondly, if the Giants were THAT interested, don't you think the interview with the Giants would take precedence over the Browns and 49ers for him?
I could be wrong  
arniefez : 1/12/2016 4:03 pm : link
but my understanding is that the only way the Giants could have prevented McAdoo from interviewing with the Eagles was to hire him as their head coach. It seems they aren't ready to do that yet and were willing to take the risk.
and heard Jackson wants  
DCPollaro : 1/12/2016 4:04 pm : link
Bengals DBs coach Vance Joseph as his DC (Gase also wants him apparently)

Any rumblings on who McAdoo would bring in as his DC. We need to get this defense fixed
nygiants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/12/2016 4:04 pm : link
Yes, both the Browns and 49ers have interviewed Jackson already...on Sunday.
Giants Roster  
RV NJ Fan : 1/12/2016 4:04 pm : link
I'm just saying there is only 8-10 players that I consider to be true building blocks for a successful team. All the other guys, if they were not on the team next year, would not hurt them.

On Kennard, I like him, but he can't stay on the field.
RE: So Beatty, Cruz,  
giants#1 : 1/12/2016 4:05 pm : link
In comment 12760789 RollBlue said:
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Schwartz, Jerry, Newhouse, Donnell, Tye, Ayers, Bromley, Collins, Kennard, Brown, DeOssie, Wynn, Wing, Darkwa, Hart, Nassib, Casillas, Thomas and Moore (MIA)won't be on any NFL rosters next year if they are all cut or not re-signed? That doesn't include Fells, who was having a decent year until the infection.

People are over the top on the roster. This team was in 14 games at the 2 minute warning, went 6-8. The team was not getting destroyed by anyone, until they got eliminated the night before Minnesota, after a week of OBJ distractions.

The other thing is they have picks 1-6 in the draft, and around $45 million in cap space. If management was so poor, they would have squandered high picks (see Washington)or be up against it cap wise. The team is poised to be able to complete for the division title next year.


A couple of those you can claim belong in the aformentioned list (Kennard if healthy, Collins, etc), but it was mainly a list of core guys that you can build a team around. The guys you listed are mostly role players (at best) and backups. If you're backups or a couple starters (3-5 preferably) are comprised of that list you're fine. But even counting Jerry/Schwartz as 1 player and ignoring the STs, you're list contains 8-10 "starters". Which means the depth behind them is even lower quality...
here is one  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/12/2016 4:07 pm : link
report on the interviews on Sunday...
http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article54011460.html - ( New Window )
i don't think  
Les in TO : 1/12/2016 4:10 pm : link
they had a firmly anointed successor in place for coughlin though I'm sure someone was making a list of prospects. I think they probably hoped cowher would take the job as the first choice, but that does not appear to be something he wants.

in terms of DC candidates, McAdoo has connections to mike Nolan and jim haslett both of whom have a lot of experience including as head coaches. I would think they would go with someone with such big experience over, say, a linebackers or secondary coach that McAdoo worked with in green bay.

i think in the end it will be McAdoo  
GMAN4LIFE : 1/12/2016 4:17 pm : link
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RV NJ Fan  
UberAlias : 1/12/2016 4:17 pm : link
Thanks for the info. The key question is, if McAdoo is the guy, who is on his list of targets for coordinators?
RE: Another thing I don't understand that maybe  
Rudy5757 : 1/12/2016 4:18 pm : link
In comment 12760673 Chris684 said:
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others can shed some light on.

The OP says the Giants "had wanted" to hire McAdoo but didnt b/c Jackson was highly recommended.

The problem I have with this thinking is that if they really "wanted" to hire Ben McAdoo, they interviewed him last Tuesday, the day after TC walked out the door. If that's your guy, you hire him because that is your belief and in this business you better have strong convictions. If you don't lock up the guy you are strongly considering, you sure as hell don't let him interview with the Philadelphia Eagles. What do the Giants have to gain by letting the Eagles brass sit in a room alone with their #1 head coaching candidate.

Also, if Hue Jackson is the reason they waited on McAdoo, how would that have made sense last Tuesday, considering right now Jackson could just as easily be prepping for the divisional round of the playoffs with perhaps even more time to even sniff an interview with the guy.

I don't dispute the info or the source, just saying it makes no sense from a mgmt. standpoint which is scary.

As a fan, if the Giants hire McAdoo my first gut feeling is going to be that this search did not exactly go as they planned.

On the flipside, if McAdoo was named head coach some time late last week I would have said to myself, the Giants like this guy's makeup and see him as a real up and coming mind.


I have to agree that you dont let your #1 candidate leave and interview with Philly. It makes no sense since the Giants had to give permission for him to interview. If they hire McAdoo and he keeps Spags what was the whole point of firing TC? And wouldnt it be great if TC takes a job in the front office so we keep everyone so we can go 6-10 again.

To me our O didnt feel like a top O in the league. We were too hot and cold. I think we were also in the middle of the road on 3 and outs which explains why the a top O finishes 6-10. Yes we had a bad D but we lost the early games due to the O. Against Dallas we caused 5 turnovers and still only had 26 points with a pick 6 by DRC and scoring FGs instead of TDs. In Atlanta we scored 20 points with a key fumble and still had 1:14 to drive and score. We start off 2-0 instead of 1-2 its a different season.

Our offensive numbers are also inflated by the NO game and the Carolina game. The NO game should never have been lost in regulation regardless of the D. Tied with 36 seconds and the ball. 7 points in the Philly game which included a pick 6. The 2nd Washington game with the season on the line and lets not forget Minnesota. The O was not great but the D was worse.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/12/2016 4:19 pm : link
Jordan Raanan ‏@JordanRaanan 37s38 seconds ago

Plan for Hue Jackson remains to speak w/#Giants Thursday. Block out all the noise for now. As I've been saying, he's a serious candidate
Uber  
RV NJ Fan : 1/12/2016 4:19 pm : link
If McAdoo gets the job, pretty sure Spags stays. The Giants love Spags, for better or worse.

The roster stuff is my opinion and I included Collins in my 8 keepers.
is it safe to say  
YorkAveGiant : 1/12/2016 4:20 pm : link
that if mcadoo is 1 and jackson 1A...that marrone is 20th? or can we just hope?
If it's McAdoo + Spags then that means  
BeerFridge : 1/12/2016 4:21 pm : link
The Giants think a lot of McAdoo. Because that's the only spot we will really be potentially "upgrading" the coaching staff. It's possible but it would also be surprising.
a shame they settled on McAdoo if jackson  
micky : 1/12/2016 4:21 pm : link
Interview doesn't work out to expectations.

doesnt look like Teryl Austin  
DCPollaro : 1/12/2016 4:23 pm : link
is getting a HC job. Detroit new GM may pick a new head coach. I wonder if Teryl would be an option here as a DC
RE: Awful year to changes coaches.  
HomerJones45 : 1/12/2016 4:25 pm : link
In comment 12760774 bceagle05 said:
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A bidding war for Hue Jackson - what a country.
Yep.
so it looks like about friday  
micky : 1/12/2016 4:26 pm : link
McAdoo will be named unless Jackson wows them on thurs.
All the other guys you can do without?  
RollBlue : 1/12/2016 4:46 pm : link
Isn't that true for ANY NFL roster? Come on, the roster can't have 22 building blocks, not in a salary cap era.
RE: If they do end up hiring McAdoo  
an_idol_mind : 1/12/2016 4:50 pm : link
In comment 12760694 Mike from Ohio said:
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I agree with JonC that this is another half measure solution.

Some days it seems to me that the front office thinks in terms of "If Coughlin doesn't make the playoffs, we need to fire him" instead of "The team isn't winning. What is broken and how do we fix it."


This pretty well sums up why I didn't like the Coughlin firing.
maybe  
fkap : 1/12/2016 5:15 pm : link
they saw Coughlin as part of the problem?

so they got rid of him.

Don't understand the angst about BM. For all we know he could have done a better job as OC if TC hadn't meddled. What matters about BM is whether he's organized enough to be a HC. I don't know. How do you guys know whether he is or isn't?
Roll Blue  
RV NJ Fan : 1/12/2016 5:19 pm : link
I bet the teams still in the playoffs can name 30 building blocks thanks to solid drafting in rounds 3-7.
RE: Roll Blue  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2016 5:21 pm : link
In comment 12761013 RV NJ Fan said:
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I bet the teams still in the playoffs can name 30 building blocks thanks to solid drafting in rounds 3-7.


I would call that bet.
What are we calling building blocks now?  
jcn56 : 1/12/2016 5:22 pm : link
Did we switch from football to Legos?
Dolphins hired Vance joseph  
DCPollaro : 1/12/2016 5:24 pm : link
So scratch him off as Hue's DC
RE: RE: not going to show very well to Jackson  
section125 : 1/12/2016 5:35 pm : link
In comment 12760584 David in LA said:
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In comment 12760576 Rocky369 said:


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that the Giants had to be convinced to bring him in for an interview.

and what's with this committee that recommends coaching? any one else find that strange?



Makes it seem like an old boys club.


I'm sorry. I must have missed where the Giants were convinced to interview Hue Jackson... where did that come from?
If true  
ghost718 : 1/12/2016 5:38 pm : link
and McAdoo is one of the top candidates,that means there likely was an agreement in place.

And here we are playing footsie with Hue Jackson.
RE: How was Vereen used wrong?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/12/2016 5:46 pm : link
In comment 12760662 KWALL2 said:
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He wasn't out there enough. That's how.

I don't care about number of catches. He had more here because the only other pass catching option we have is Beckham. They should have used Vereen a lot more.



Unless you know for certain that the RBBC and actual playing time was solely the purview of McAdoo, I'm not sure how you can blame him for Vereen's "lack" of targets or snaps.

Here's the percentage of snaps in which the Giants' top 4 receivers were targeted:

- Vereen: targeted on 19% of his snaps
- Beckham: targeted on 16% of his snaps
- Tye: targeted on 11% of his snaps
- Randle: targeted on 9% of his snaps

So, Vereen played the most snaps of any Giants' RB AND he had the ball thrown to him on a higher percentage of his snaps than anyone on the team.
So RV NJ Fan  
JohnF : 1/12/2016 5:54 pm : link
When you said that the Giants were "encouraged" to talk to Jackson, was that from someone outside the organization, or someone on the inside?
RE: Dolphins hired Vance joseph  
nygiants16 : 1/12/2016 5:56 pm : link
In comment 12761024 DCPollaro said:
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So scratch him off as Hue's DC


Good I hope he brings Schwartz with him
I'm not so sure  
bc4life : 1/12/2016 5:58 pm : link
Spags would be retained if McAdoo gets the top job.

Lot of bed wetting going on based on a few rumors.

One thing that doesn't make sense - if McAdoo doesn't get top job and he is out here because OC is hired - what's to say he doesn't catch on with one of the newly hired HCs elsewhere?
so we'd be okay with Gase  
bc4life : 1/12/2016 5:59 pm : link
or even McDermott but not McAdoo - why?
RE: so we'd be okay with Gase  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/12/2016 6:18 pm : link
In comment 12761092 bc4life said:
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or even McDermott but not McAdoo - why?


Doesn't make much sense to me either.
Great news  
GiantTuff1 : 1/12/2016 9:56 pm : link
Excited for coach Mac, he will prove us proud.
RE: ...  
Jersey55 : 1/13/2016 10:46 am : link
In comment 12760543 christian said:
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I believe the Giants always viewed Macadoo as successor, and hoped it would be a few years from now, but Coughlin gave them basically no reasons to save his job.

what has Mcdoo shown as an OC that makes him a candidate for a Giants HC job
RE: RE: If they do end up hiring McAdoo  
Jersey55 : 1/13/2016 10:48 am : link
In comment 12760950 an_idol_mind said:
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In comment 12760694 Mike from Ohio said:


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I agree with JonC that this is another half measure solution.

Some days it seems to me that the front office thinks in terms of "If Coughlin doesn't make the playoffs, we need to fire him" instead of "The team isn't winning. What is broken and how do we fix it."



This pretty well sums up why I didn't like the Coughlin firing.

the team has been trying to "fix it" with Coughlin at the controls for the last 4 years and it hasn't worked for whatever reason so its just time now for someone different to try to get the job done...
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