It may be just pure coincidence on my part, but every time I paid attention to Pugh throughout the season, he didn't look that great to me.
I ask for fans who are a lot more knowledgeable then I am to educate me on his play this season with some kind of proof that "he played well."
There was a lot of hype about him moving to Guard and supposedly being incredible, but the running was terrible for yet another year and I think he had a part to play in that.
I really have to know because other fans make me feel like I'm crazy, but I just didn't see the hype this year.
Was he really that great or just mediocre?
Held his own...
Now Richburg? STUD
Pugh on the other hand I didn't see a jump from his rookie year, and Flowers did him no favors either.
If that is true and I'm not saying it's not, then how was our running game so bad between the tackles when Richburg was playing so well? Was it scheme? Flowers' injury?
I don't get how he could've been so good and our running game was so bad?
Since the day he was drafted every writer on Earth and even fans thought this guy would be a pro bowler at Guard, and he was not even close, which is disappointing.
He's not a problem but I still think he was a reach considering the guy that picked after him.
Now for those of you who will cry foul I would have bet my house John Hicks would be an all time Giants guard to this day I still don't know what happened to that beast who became a lamb for us.
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was very good. I think he handled himself really well, and wasn't overmatched in any game.
If that is true and I'm not saying it's not, then how was our running game so bad between the tackles when Richburg was playing so well? Was it scheme? Flowers' injury?
I don't get how he could've been so good and our running game was so bad?
The run game did really well running right up the middle. It struggled in other facets.
So the defense knows that the strength of the OL is the left side.....and much of our running game was predictable......add in Williams indecision and hesitation....
the defense can stack one side with a Lber and bring in a safety....knows we will force to be a balance attack......while having to worry about only one true threat at wr.
Now with that said...Pugh is no Snee.....better feet but far less physical. He still needs to add more strength and bulk to be dominent .....which is doable
As far a's Pugh, very solid. He's the least of the concerns along the offensive line.
or two of those if beatty is gone
I think the new line coach will make a big difference. I just cannot believe that all those linemen we drafted were talentless. You would think one or two would have been NFL average.
Pugh isn't All Pro, but he is average to better than average at 3 positions and that makes him very valuable.
Or, if we were so hellbent on OL in 2013, Kyle Long. He's been All Pro once already and has gone to 2 Pro Bowls, both accomplishments Pugh will likely never attain.
All the heinous problems on this roster and this is what stood out to you when watching the games? Not seeing it.
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Should have drafted Eifert though...
Or, if we were so hellbent on OL in 2013, Kyle Long. He's been All Pro once already and has gone to 2 Pro Bowls, both accomplishments Pugh will likely never attain.
The Bears were picking Pugh if the Giants didn't. Believe Long was rated 2nd round.
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Should have drafted Eifert though...
Or, if we were so hellbent on OL in 2013, Kyle Long. He's been All Pro once already and has gone to 2 Pro Bowls, both accomplishments Pugh will likely never attain.
The Bears were picking Pugh if the Giants didn't. Believe Long was rated 2nd round.
I vaguely remember seeing that rumor here back in 2013. We hear that sort of stuff every year though. While it may be true, the end result is still the same: Long is the better player. Pugh certainly isn't yielding the ROI you'd expect of a first round NFL selection. 2016 is a big year for him- his contract is up at the end of the season. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt: 2nd year at LG, new OL coach, hopefully better play at LT, and (don't underestimate this) a new strength and conditioning coach.
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I vaguely remember seeing that rumor here back in 2013. We hear that sort of stuff every year though. While it may be true, the end result is still the same: Long is the better player.
It wasn't a rumor, it was reported as fact. The Bears were taking Pugh. And it doesn't matter that Long is now the better player, you cannot predict that. Remember Pugh was a LT in college. He may well have been better suited to LT then RT. Let's give him another year at LG to see how it pans out. But Pugh plays well and he can play all positions short of center. He is the least of our worries. He's not likely to be hurting the Giants with his play.
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I vaguely remember seeing that rumor here back in 2013. We hear that sort of stuff every year though. While it may be true, the end result is still the same: Long is the better player.
It wasn't a rumor, it was reported as fact. The Bears were taking Pugh. And it doesn't matter that Long is now the better player, you cannot predict that. Remember Pugh was a LT in college. He may well have been better suited to LT then RT. Let's give him another year at LG to see how it pans out. But Pugh plays well and he can play all positions short of center. He is the least of our worries. He's not likely to be hurting the Giants with his play.
Agreed with all you said. I was never a fan of the pick at the time and I haven't seen a level of play from Pugh to make me say "wow, was I wrong", but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in year 2. Let him go earn his 2nd contract here.
I hope he's a Giant for a long, long time to come.
To sit there and bitch about him is just funny to me.
It just goes to show what this site is all about.
It's become a place where little wine asses go to bitch,complain and pretend like they have a clue what they are talking about,when nothing could be further from the truth.
If I didn't know better I'd think there were a bunch of women posting on here,but even women dn't piss and moan as much as this group.
If you think the bad running game should be put on pugh then it shows how little you actually know about football.
Pugh's not the problem.
He played well at G this year and even better at LT in limited action.
Pugh reminds me alot of Luke Petitgout and I think if he was moved to LT he'd have a similar career.
Solid but not spectacular,and there's nothing wrong with that IMO...
ERGO that 'an OK tackle is somehow slated as a better guard'. Silly idea. Imagine if we felt that way about defensive ends, that somehow a middling end would be a great dT? Crazy.
David Diehl was best at left tackle, mediocre at right tackle and not great at guard. Sure, he was younger in his go round at left tackle, than at his last go round at right, nevertheless and despite his 'style of play and body type'...each player is an individual. Great draft pick david d.
Those of us who said that Pugh could play the left side were shouted down here, as if Flowers draft spot somehow earned him the left side.
That said, we are in a better position going into free agency, than we were last year, it does look like the addition of a great free agent right guard and a right tackle combo will pay dividends, the left side was not terrible at pass blocking anyway.
BUT...could we feasibly start a line with:
Pugh/FA LG/Richburg\FA RG\Flowers?
Don't see why not, especially if the free agents are the best available, true road graders.
If FO cannot decide what to do that quickly, someone like Cordy Glenn might be able to run either RG or RT, allowing some flexibility, especially if beatty returns.
If the concussion problem is not there, then he is a good, not great lineman, that could be there for years...kind of a jack of all trades, but doesn't excel in any one position...
All the heinous problems on this roster and this is what stood out to you when watching the games? Not seeing it.
Every credible source from Chris Snee, David Diehl, Pat Kirwan, Bob Wylie, and half the draft prognosticators talked about his potential as the moving guard in a power scheme, and there were a bunch of pissing matches on the board about it, each one (just like this one), starting as if nobody had talked about it before.
So much for institutional memory.
One of the 15 or so guys who provide value and should stay a Giant for a long time.
Lets move on...
Again it's a position he'd never played before. Which he played well. Next to a rookie LT with a bad wheel. Both he and Flowers should grow from the experience and be better for it.
He far exceeded expectations.