We all know JPP didn't have the sacks in 2015 but, if you were watching, you do know that he was getting there. Once he hit the field he provided instant and consistent QB pressure.
How much pressure?
Did you know only 8 DL in the NFL had more QB Hurries in 2015 than JPP?
JPP had 24 in limited playing time.
He had the best QB Hurry % of any DL in the NFL for players with 400+ snaps?
JPP played 502 snaps. 24 QB hurries. That's exceptional.
For comparison, Watt only had 26 Hurries in 2015 but it took 1000+ snaps.
He did while playing with this:
People are looking for pass rush help at DE in FA? Yes we need it but JPP may be a big part of the solution.
He looked and played fast but the hand was an issue when shedding blocks vs the run. He was a dominant run defender before. He was not with the club.
Its such a tough call for the Giants. How much better will the hand be in year 2? Can he play with a glove and no pain?
I'm hoping to see him back for at least one more year. Ayers too. If they can do it at a good number we still need at least one more pass rusher.
This Vernon guy in Miami that being thrown around here today? Lets not overrate the sacks. First of all he doesn't have that many over the past 2 years. In 2015, he only had 7.5 playing 1000 snaps. Played about 2x the snaps as JPP with fewer QB Hurries. The guy also had 11 penalties including 5 roughing the passer calls in 2015.
Ayers? Ayers played about 400 fewer snaps then Vernon. He had more sacks and a higher QB pressure % than Vernon (without the penalties).
We need to do better than Vernon.
QB Hurries in 2015 - ( New Window )
people are obsessed with the cam newton play--- even with 2 hands newton might escape--- if the giants don't keep him they have the worst DE situation in all of football and its not close.
Bringing him back is pretty important but you can't go too high to do it. Get it done, Jerry.
Then fix the rest of the damn D
Maybe JPP didn't want to exceed his ability to count his sacks.
I'd rather get a vet with more upside to pair with JPP and then draft a DE in round 1 or 2.
people are obsessed with the cam newton play--- even with 2 hands newton might escape--- if the giants don't keep him they have the worst DE situation in all of football and its not close.
Agreed, Cam probably would have slipped through a lot of DE's grasps, even with two hands.
and excellent OP KWALL.
You may be unaware of this, but JPP blew his hand half to hell with a firecracker.
Give me Vinny Curry.
JPP is a huge question mark.....must admit, JPP really hustled in those last 8 games....I've never seen him hustle like that before....maybe he was hustling for that future contract?....think he hustles like that, once he signs a multiyear deal?
But I don't think JPP will ever be as good as the 2014 JPP, never mind the 2011 one......you make him a fair offer, but you don't overpay for his services....
Since Ayers can move inside and be effective, I want him back and one more pass rusher. IMO, that will cost around $3 mill/year.
If it doesn't work with Ayers, Jason Jones from the Lions is a similar player. He can move inside too and give us a pass rush. Giants should have signed him a few years ago. He's an UFA again and still a good player.
If we keep JPP and Ayers/Jones, we still need an explosive edge rusher. We still need depth at DE. It's the top priority (With a #2 WR our 2nd priority).
I really don't like paying big money for Vernon or any of the so called top DE in this FA class. I'm hoping to find a DE in round 1-2 in the draft. And we have Odi.
With the big FA money go after WR Jeffrey if they don't franchise him. This is a guaranteed difference maker which I can't say about any FA DE.
Since Ayers can move inside and be effective, I want him back and one more pass rusher. IMO, that will cost around $3 mill/year.
If it doesn't work with Ayers, Jason Jones from the Lions is a similar player. He can move inside too and give us a pass rush. Giants should have signed him a few years ago. He's an UFA again and still a good player.
If we keep JPP and Ayers/Jones, we still need an explosive edge rusher. We still need depth at DE. It's the top priority (With a #2 WR our 2nd priority).
I really don't like paying big money for Vernon or any of the so called top DE in this FA class. I'm hoping to find a DE in round 1-2 in the draft. And we have Odi.
With the big FA money go after WR Jeffrey if they don't franchise him. This is a guaranteed difference maker which I can't say about any FA DE.
You may be underestimating the need for a WR. We have shit outside of Beckham & Harris. Can't rely on VC & RR is a goner, imb. Agree on Jefferies though if the price isn't outrageous. If Threadwell(?) was there I wouldn't be pissed with that pick.
Maybe 3-5 million per with reachable incentives that could get him to 10 in a year. And I gotta believe this kid will not only learn how to play with that hand, but that he has a newfound fire to make his mark on this league.
Benjamin would be a strong addition.
I'd love Mo Wilkerson if the Jets do not tag him. I think he can play either inside or outside. He's a super talented guy who can play in any scheme.
As for WR's, I'd look into Marvin Jones big if he isn't brought back by Cincinnati.
I have a shitload of respect for Kwall but this is only half of the story.
How many times this year out of those hurries did the QB just slink away because JPP couldn't wrap him up? I counted at least 8 or 9.
You can't play defensive end in the NFL or defense at all for that matter if you can't tackle.
It would be the biggest mistake in the last decade if they offered him more than a 2 million dollar per year plus incentive laden contract. I said the same thing last year before his blitzkreig and was right. Thank god the Giants are smart and not like many here and understood.
It's over for JPP and it was the second he lit that wick.
Sentimentality wants it to work out but reality says a player that was lazy and unmotivated in a contract year who then suffered a severe self inflicted accident when he was without a contract is not a player that can be relied upon.
He looked really good with his movement. What can be done to improve the hand? Can he wear a glove and grip a little? That has to be answered before sending him packing,
It's really all about money. Even with the club he has
Value. Hopefully, they can figure out what that value is and pay the guy. If it's a 5 million/year with incentives deal I think that's a good bet to make on the guy.
Ideally:
1. A big ass kicker like Jeffrey.
2. Speed. We need a guy like John Brown who can just run past everybody. That man? TCU WR Kolby Listenbee in Round 3!
The injuries are a huge flag for Jeffries. This place would explode if we go into the season with the best WR trio on paper in the league and wind up in the same situation we were in this year but with greater money committed to the position.
The mob would be out for Reese and rightfully so.
Reese hasn't been afraid to take chances on players with injury issues in the past, but I don't think he assumes that risk going forward under the circumstances.
8-9 missed tackles because of the hand? $2 million per year with incentives? You said the same thing last year and you were right? Seriously?
I dont get the JPP love/loyalty.
The guy is one handed and he fucked the team.
Why are so many people so high on this asshole?
He can go create pressures for someone else.
I have a shitload of respect for Kwall but this is only half of the story.
How many times this year out of those hurries did the QB just slink away because JPP couldn't wrap him up? I counted at least 8 or 9.
You can't play defensive end in the NFL or defense at all for that matter if you can't tackle.
It would be the biggest mistake in the last decade if they offered him more than a 2 million dollar per year plus incentive laden contract. I said the same thing last year before his blitzkreig and was right. Thank god the Giants are smart and not like many here and understood.
It's over for JPP and it was the second he lit that wick.
Sentimentality wants it to work out but reality says a player that was lazy and unmotivated in a contract year who then suffered a severe self inflicted accident when he was without a contract is not a player that can be relied upon.
I think I can recall of 2, 3 at most instances where JPP missed a play because of the club. How often are sacks really generated by his grabbing the qb. If he moves the qb, that's a win.
Plus, you're omitting the lack of time he had to work with his new handicap. Jpp was very good this year.
I dont get the JPP love/loyalty.
The guy is one handed and he fucked the team.
Why are so many people so high on this asshole?
He can go create pressures for someone else.
Excellent challenge to KWALL's factual assertions. ::eye roll::
To answer your question, because he played admirably under new circumstances with little prep and was in the backfield more than any other Giant at the end of the year.
He didn't burn his hand saving a kid from a burning car.
Dude never "got it" and never will.
He is the definition of a million dollar talent and ten cent brain.
I want some of you to step back and think about what you are saying for a minute and you will realize how stupid it sounds.
You want to pay a player 5 million dollars a year because "maybe there is a chance that there can be a prosthetic developed"?
It's over. It sucks. He could have been a legend with his talent, but league history is littered with those guys. In the end instead of being Reggie White he turned out to be Jevon Kearse. And that's on him and him alone.
Finding pass rushers isn't easy.
He didn't burn his hand saving a kid from a burning car.
Dude never "got it" and never will.
He is the definition of a million dollar talent and ten cent brain.
I want some of you to step back and think about what you are saying for a minute and you will realize how stupid it sounds.
You want to pay a player 5 million dollars a year because "maybe there is a chance that there can be a prosthetic developed"?
It's over. It sucks. He could have been a legend with his talent, but league history is littered with those guys. In the end instead of being Reggie White he turned out to be Jevon Kearse. And that's on him and him alone.
Weren't you one of the guys that said JPP would never play in nfl again?
No sin in being wrong twice I guess.
He is not going to get his mega deal he could have gotten last year, but he will get a big one.
We still need another quality de, though. 2 if jpp leaves
Let's be realistic. If Reese doesn't make an educated gamble that JPP will improve in his first full season back, which is logical, then he has yet another key position that he doesn't have enough draft choices and/or cap space to sign impact free agents to build his pathetic defensive roster into a potential powerhouse.
How will Reese replace JPP? With the usual: a street free agent, an undrafted free agent, or a fourth round draft pick coming off two serious knee surgeries in college? They were laughed at by the rest of the league. Which sent the team back to the wonderful '70s, when they had the weakest defense in the NFL and were laughed by all the other teams for their 17 years of non-winning records.
Until the LT era finally came, and even though their season record didn't improve until 1985, the other teams that played them were intimated by the sledgehammer of the defense.
It was then that people began talking about the "prevent offense." Just let the offense get on and off the field without a turnover and the D would worry about scoring.