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2015: Curious that Trumaine McBride's playing time decreased

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/23/2016 3:03 pm
Trumaine McBride has never been a really good player. But he did a commendable job in 2013, starting 10 games. He missed most of 2014 with a serious thumb injury that required surgery.

Although he played in 15 games in 2015, he had no starts. But in his limited playing time, he had three interceptions, one returned for a TD and the other almost returned for a TD.

Meanwhile, when DRC missed a game and Amukamara missed five games, Jayron Hosley was the first off of the bench and he started all six of those games. He clearly became the #3 CB until late in the year when he hardly played (two healthy inactive scratches in December).

Trevin Wade became the primary nickel corner.

I find it curious that Spagnuolo and Walton elevated Hosley above McBride for most of the season. While I thought Hosley had his best season, it always seemed he was getting victimized for at least one big player per game (and lucky a couple of other times the opposing QB missed his man). Meanwhile McBride seemed to have more of a nose for the football.

Am I off? Is this how others saw it?
Here's where you're off  
arniefez : 1/23/2016 3:12 pm : link
it wasn't Spags call. He said so earlier in the year when asked about Cooper not playing. "Coach decides who is up". Was pretty much his quote.
Agreed  
mirwin : 1/23/2016 3:13 pm : link
Doesn't make much sense, hosley played his best and that's horrible mcbride and wade would be a better combo. I have no problem with mcbride as a 3-4 and wade as a 4-5 corner I just don't like the idea of prince getting hurt every year and us relying on them and saying "oh next year prince will be healthy so it's gonna be alright"
arniefez  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/23/2016 3:13 pm : link
I think the Cooper quote was in reference to why he wasn't on the 53-man roster. I wouldn't read too much into that.
I know it was about who  
arniefez : 1/23/2016 3:17 pm : link
was dressing on game day. But you really think Tom Coughlin was allowing his DC to decide the depth chart? That would be completely out of character. I'll never believe it was Spags idea to start Kuhn or McAdoo's idea to give Williams so many touches. Hosley is no different to me. Coughlin's choice. I have no idea if McAdoo will be a good coach. But I have a pretty good idea he can't be a worse coach than Tom Coughlin 2013-2015. I'm not sure anyone could be worse.
arniefez  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/23/2016 3:19 pm : link
THAT'S what will be fascinating. Spags talked up Kuhn all year long. He really did. Was he starting because of TC or Spags? We're going to find out.
I did think McBride was going to turn into a nice  
Jimmy Googs : 1/23/2016 3:58 pm : link
addition back in 2013 too. He played well and it wasn't spotty either. He was solid and made plays.

However, I do think he regressed some in both 2014 and 2015, and I think the coaches lost confidence.

Oddly though, he is not the train-wreck Hosley is so how he kept getting the call we will never know.

But unfortunately McBride and Wade are mostly just JAGs but I will take either of them over Hosley every day of the week.
Wasn't it hard to believe  
arniefez : 1/23/2016 4:03 pm : link
the talking up of Kuhn when your eyes were watching him get blasted off the ball 80% of the time? It made no sense. If Kuhn and Williams see the same playing time next year something very strange is going on. We saw Coughlin play his favorites for years regardless of their game day performance. You're right it will be very interesting to see if gameday performance carries more weight going forward.
Didn't  
NJGiantFan84 : 1/23/2016 4:08 pm : link
He get hurt early on in the season?? I thought he looked a step slow when out there and that his limited use stemmed from these injuries he was battling. Maybe I am "mis-remembering," though.
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Toth029 : 1/23/2016 4:10 pm : link
His two big INT's were off deflections. The Cowboys game and the Saints game.

Still, I liked him more than Hosley. Wade was terrible early but got better later. Still, he's a camp body. Giants need to add 2-3 corners this off-season, and probably unload Prince and Hosley.
McBride had a groin midseason....  
MOOPS : 1/23/2016 4:28 pm : link
and was inactive for at least one game because of it. I can recall seeing that hinder his play during the season, though I don't remember which games.
Probably a lingering thing.
Excellent  
AcidTest : 1/23/2016 4:32 pm : link
question. As MOOPS said, maybe the groin was a lingering issue, to the point where he was only going to play if no one else could.

There were a lot of strange personnel decisions involving Kuhn, Williams (and I am a Williams defender), and Davis to name a few.
RE: ...  
Aaroninma : 1/23/2016 4:40 pm : link
In comment 12784215 Toth029 said:
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His two big INT's were off deflections. The Cowboys game and the Saints game.

Still, I liked him more than Hosley. Wade was terrible early but got better later. Still, he's a camp body. Giants need to add 2-3 corners this off-season, and probably unload Prince and Hosley.


Dont forget his INT against Brady.
Looked 10x  
est1986 : 1/23/2016 5:09 pm : link
Better in 2014, his 2015 was so bad I'll be amazed if he's on the squad in 2016.
I thought Wade  
JPinstripes : 1/23/2016 5:15 pm : link
Played the best of the 3 and he is the only under contract for 2016.
I went to Green Bay home game  
Giant John : 1/23/2016 5:26 pm : link
We won but McBride was terrible. If that is representative of his play I don't understand why he is even on the roster.
good  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/23/2016 5:27 pm : link
call on the groin issue. That seemed to be an issue in October (looking back at the old injury reports). He only missed one game however in 2015.
Giant John  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/23/2016 5:28 pm : link
the Giants didn't play Green Bay last year.
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Toth029 : 1/23/2016 5:47 pm : link
In comment 12784247 Aaroninma said:
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In comment 12784215 Toth029 said:


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His two big INT's were off deflections. The Cowboys game and the Saints game.

Still, I liked him more than Hosley. Wade was terrible early but got better later. Still, he's a camp body. Giants need to add 2-3 corners this off-season, and probably unload Prince and Hosley.



Dont forget his INT against Brady.

That was a great play. Good memory.
McBride will be 31 in September...  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/23/2016 6:20 pm : link
...he's a free agent, and he was already out of the League for at least a year. He was a nice story in 2013, and made a few plays in 2015, but he's as JAG as JAG can be. Hosley is a bad player, but he's a bad player with the kind of athletic ability that can can give an overconfident coaching staff hope that they can salvage him. A new CB coach and DC gave him a chance, then finally realized that he's useless.

McBride offered a reasonably high floor and a very low ceiling. Hosley may have had a higher ceiling, and no floor at all. They both suck, and neither was going to make any difference this year. Move on.
I was less than  
Bill in UT : 1/23/2016 8:10 pm : link
impressed with Wade this year.
Other than the 4 week  
RetroJint : 1/23/2016 8:30 pm : link
stint that Prince missed, and DRC's 1 game, , Spagnuolo's first five CBs were healthy for pretty much the whole season. Contrast with what happened to Fewell in '14. Arnie is always blaming Coughlin. His vitriol seeps through everything he writes, except that he is wrong on everything. Like when he said that Tom Coughlin coaches a two-gap defense that held Spagnuolo back . What?

Spagnuolo, friends, picked his own defense. That is why Dahl was signed and Brown was cut. Why McClain was cut and Unga was kept.

As for Wade, he blows as a corner but he times his pressures well. That's about it that can be said positively about him. Team piñata Hosley had a 39.6 QB rating against the Bucs. He defensed a pass to Evans in the end zone, in the first half , then defensed another pass to Evans on third down in the fourth quarter, which was probably the last time he saw action this season other than the finale against the Eagles. Jayron is gone, but, truly he was hardly the worst.
Big Blue Blogger  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/23/2016 8:52 pm : link
That's my reading as well. But it's interesting that they basically just gave up on Hosley in the last month after he had been the first guy off of the bench.

I agree with you about McBride not being the answer, but in my opinion, he was the better player on the field (which isn't saying much). The only explanation that makes sense is what you said, they decided to give Hosley a shot because of his upside and they had seen enough.
RetroJint  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/23/2016 8:55 pm : link
I think Hosley had his best season, but it seemed as if there was a play per game where he was just lost and it hurt the Giants. And there were other plays where he just lucked out... (the underthrown deep pass by the Cowboys QB at Metlife that was picked off by Meriweather...Hosley was just flailing around out there and was beat for a TD).
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/23/2016 8:57 pm : link
Wade is a weird player. Going back to camp, he would alternate good plays with terrible ones and that kind of continued into the season. There were times where he flashed as a nickel corner, then he'd get burned.

Obviously none of these guys are the long-term solution.
To me Coughlin is going to take this on chin  
mattlawson : 1/23/2016 9:01 pm : link
Hosely over McBride. Williams over anyone until the end.
Let's face it,  
Doomster : 1/23/2016 9:12 pm : link
our defensive backs, outside of DRC, suck.......and DRC, seems to take plays off, from time to time.....
scholarship to NYG Univ goes a long way  
Victor in CT : 1/24/2016 7:18 am : link
Hosley a Giants draft pick, McBride not. Hopefully that changes, but with Reese still in charge I won't hold my breath.
Holsey  
Shadow : 1/24/2016 8:38 am : link
Lost the most important game for us. Washington Jackson left him like luggage in that game.
The sooner Hosley is off this team  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 1/24/2016 8:43 am : link
the better.
Neither Hosley nor McBride nor Wade  
Matt M. : 1/24/2016 8:52 am : link
is very good. All showed some flashes of both nice plays and really bad ones. To me, the big question is how much is on them and how much is on Spags D? I think his schemes consistently put DBS in terrible position, especially when providing deep help. Alsoz, when he was forced to work as a DB in Baltimore, they still had a good D, but it was knocked down a few pegs because their pass defense took a big hit. Is this a coincidence?

Now, each of these guys was also flat out burned in man coverage, so there is also some level of culpability. I would feel a lot better with a new DC though. Regardless of level of talent in the secondary we take to camp, we damn well better have seriously upgraded our DL otherwise we are screwed.
Keeping guys like Hosley, Herzlich, Kuhn, Taylor  
Jimmy Googs : 1/24/2016 8:58 am : link
in camp are examples of how to slow down improvement.

They are James Brewer's re-incarnated into other positions...
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