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Giants Organizational Decision to Not Take LBs in 1st Round

The Turk : 1/25/2016 2:28 pm
or even to take LBs in general. Where did this come from? Was it an Accorsi thing?

It's not like there is a history of poor first round LBs - since Jim Files in 1970 just Banks (84) and LT (81) are Giant first round LBs and those worked out OK. Since 1980, just Pepper (86), Kanavis McGee (91) and Sintim (09) are even second rounders. And going back to 2000 adds just Gerris Wilinson as a 3rd rounder (2006). Hell, since 2000 in 16 drafts the Giants have taken just 6 LBs in rounds 1 - 4 and just 6 more in rounds 5 - 7. There have been none at all in the past 4 drafts

If you watched yesterday's games you could see Kuechly, Ware, Davis, Miller and Collins all make game changing plays. So why do the Giants just ignore the position come draft day?

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RE: I'm looking back at the 2007 draft  
SethFromAstoria : 1/26/2016 12:43 am : link
In comment 12788280 David in LA said:
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Ross was never my favorite player, but we were desperate for a corner. The corners we could have taken are Josh Wilson (2nd Rnd), Dashon Goldson (4th Rnd), and a small handful of other guys. Outside of Josh Wilson, I'd say Ross gave us the most return back. If we truly went BPA, I'd imagine we'd have taken Jon Beason or Joe Staley. Imagine if we had Beason prior to his string of knee injuries? He would hands down be the best LB we've had since Jesse Armstead.


But he's not even as good as the 47th pick, David Harris. The Jets picked him. THe New York Jets.

But picks 16 and 17 were

GB - Justin Harrell - DT
Den - Jarvis Moss - DE

They retired in 2010 and 2011.


See?!!
RE: I'm looking back at the 2007 draft  
LeonofKiev : 1/26/2016 12:46 am : link
In comment 12788280 David in LA said:
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Ross was never my favorite player, but we were desperate for a corner. The corners we could have taken are Josh Wilson (2nd Rnd), Dashon Goldson (4th Rnd), and a small handful of other guys. Outside of Josh Wilson, I'd say Ross gave us the most return back. If we truly went BPA, I'd imagine we'd have taken Jon Beason or Joe Staley. Imagine if we had Beason prior to his string of knee injuries? He would hands down be the best LB we've had since Jesse Armstead.


Hindsight always 20/20 I thought he was impressive coming out of Texas, and I think his injuries killed him, but in terms of pure talent displayed on the field.....Wilson>Ross imo.
RE: RE: I forgot what year we to a 4-3 ....  
short lease : 1/26/2016 7:54 am : link
In comment 12787775 Rjanyg said:
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but, that has to be a primary reason right there for not putting a premium on LB's. When we played a 3-4 ... you gotta believe the Giants put a premium on LB's. I think the scheme dictates ...

Does anyone know why we went to the 4-3 after having so much success in a 3-4? Is it at the discretion of the DC? HC? GM?



Not sure why we went to the 4-3 but the switch was in 1994 the year after LT retired and I can assume the switch was in the plans in 1993 since they selected Strahan in the 2nd round. In 94' Strahan basically took over for LT and played RDE. I think he had 7.5 sacks that year.

Our 3-4 LB shifted to the 4-3 with Bailey as WLB, Brooks as MLB and Corey Miller SLB. Having Hamilton as the LDE, Howard, and Fox as DT the switch was fairly smooth.


Thanks Rjanyg!
I remember those guys ...  
short lease : 1/26/2016 7:58 am : link
I remember Eric Howard ... at one time he was the strongest guy in the league. What a bull at NT.


Ah ... memories.



Hey Jerry - Defense wins championships. : )

The reason we drafted Ross  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/26/2016 8:28 am : link
was because Reese couldn't trade up for Revis. We were locked into CB that draft because many here were screaming for Beason. Ross played well in the 2007 run and his career is similar to Kiwi's and Kenny Philips when you look at the big picture - solid contributors who never hit their ceilings for a variety of reasons.
I have long had the feeling that as Reese is GM  
Jersey55 : 1/26/2016 11:04 am : link
we won't see any LBers picked early in the draft, because based on what I've seen from Reese he simply doesn't value them and thats the reason we send Jason Witten to the pro bowl every year....
RE: Who said there was a policy?  
D_Giants : 1/26/2016 11:36 am : link
In comment 12787483 AP in Halfmoon said:
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They value other positions more for premium picks but if the right player/grade is there that may change this year.


Just because the front office has not made an announcement does not mean that one can detect an obvious policy.
RE: This is so misunderstood  
D_Giants : 1/26/2016 11:39 am : link
In comment 12787514 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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It's not like there is a poster on the wall in the war room that reads "no linebackers!".

They do value certain positions higher than others. If a DE has a similar value to a LB you can bet your ass they take the DE, and they are likely correct to take the DE.

I would like to see more attention paid to MIKE but they seem to prefer a veteran in that position.


Maybe the bigger problem is finding any talent at DL or LB. Other than JPP, who is now compromised, what great draft picks at either DL have been made other than Hankins and long-gone L Joseph?
RE: When the Giants traded for Beason he made an immediate  
D_Giants : 1/26/2016 11:40 am : link
In comment 12787796 baadbill said:
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and dramatic impact on the defense. And was proof of the idiocy of those who claim the relative unimportance of linebackers in today's NFL.


Of course he made an immediate difference. The difference was between no talent and some talent. He made a championship caliber defense, right?
RE: The reason we drafted Ross  
LeonofKiev : 1/26/2016 4:36 pm : link
In comment 12788374 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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was because Reese couldn't trade up for Revis. We were locked into CB that draft because many here were screaming for Beason. Ross played well in the 2007 run and his career is similar to Kiwi's and Kenny Philips when you look at the big picture - solid contributors who never hit their ceilings for a variety of reasons.


Kiwi and Phillips were still legit NFL talents, and Ross was not. They both contributed way more than Ross ever did.
RE: I have long had the feeling that as Reese is GM  
David in LA : 1/26/2016 4:51 pm : link
In comment 12788693 Jersey55 said:
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we won't see any LBers picked early in the draft, because based on what I've seen from Reese he simply doesn't value them and thats the reason we send Jason Witten to the pro bowl every year....


Again, where are these stud LB's we missed out on. And don't fucking say Von Miller, or Luke Kuechly.
RE: RE: The reason we drafted Ross  
BMac : 1/26/2016 8:00 pm : link
In comment 12789277 LeonofKiev said:
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In comment 12788374 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:


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was because Reese couldn't trade up for Revis. We were locked into CB that draft because many here were screaming for Beason. Ross played well in the 2007 run and his career is similar to Kiwi's and Kenny Philips when you look at the big picture - solid contributors who never hit their ceilings for a variety of reasons.



Kiwi and Phillips were still legit NFL talents, and Ross was not. They both contributed way more than Ross ever did.


You may want to check your facts.
RE: RE: RE: The reason we drafted Ross  
LeonofKiev : 1/26/2016 11:08 pm : link
In comment 12789502 BMac said:
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In comment 12789277 LeonofKiev said:


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In comment 12788374 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:


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was because Reese couldn't trade up for Revis. We were locked into CB that draft because many here were screaming for Beason. Ross played well in the 2007 run and his career is similar to Kiwi's and Kenny Philips when you look at the big picture - solid contributors who never hit their ceilings for a variety of reasons.



Kiwi and Phillips were still legit NFL talents, and Ross was not. They both contributed way more than Ross ever did.



You may want to check your facts.


Sorry ESPN.com doesn't count as facts. I actually watched the games...
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