Last week, representatives from Boston University and the Concussion Legacy Foundation notified the Sash family that C.T.E. had been diagnosed in Tylers brain
Is he the youngest player to have been known to be afflicted? If I were a current player, I would think long and hard about retirement after suffering my first concussion...
"Last week, representatives from Boston University and the Concussion Legacy Foundation notified the Sash family that C.T.E. had been diagnosed in Tylers brain and that the disease, which can be confirmed only posthumously, had advanced to a stage rarely seen in someone his age."
This is a multi billion dollar business, so there will be big money in developing tech that can prevent concussions/brain damage/CTE. For example, one of the primary doctors who discovered CTE is working on a neckband that mimics the capability of a woodpecker.
There will be many attempts at a solution. If they can't find one, yeah, it's probably the eventual end of the game.
associated with the game is making it too big to fail, however, once public school districts and universities and colleges start fielding lawsuits that bankrupt their coffers along with the drop in participation that has already begun the game as we currently know it will cease to exist.
You'd think that football and boxing couldn't survive this for
much longer, but I suspect that there will always be people willing to sacrifice their future health for the love of the game, and the money that comes with it IF you make it.
associated with the game is making it too big to fail, however, once public school districts and universities and colleges start fielding lawsuits that bankrupt their coffers along with the drop in participation that has already begun the game as we currently know it will cease to exist.
This. Once it comes uninsurable, say goodbye to the grassroots.
associated with the game is making it too big to fail, however, once public school districts and universities and colleges start fielding lawsuits that bankrupt their coffers along with the drop in participation that has already begun the game as we currently know it will cease to exist.
From the linked article ... Josh Sash, eight years older than Tyler, said his brother sustained at least two concussions in high school, one documented concussion in college and two with the Giants, including one in the Giants playoff victory over the San Francisco 49ers that earned the team its berth in the Super Bowl after the 2011 season. [...]
Those concussions are the ones we definitely know about, Josh Sash said. If youve played football, you know there are often other incidents.
when word came down that he passed away, several on this board mentioned that CTE was a possibility. The whole thing about the arrest on the scooter was a red flag that something was off.
but are there any documented studies revealing the prevalence of CTE in the general public?
I'm not trying to minimize CTE but there is so much unknown about this disease that it's scary. We can only diagnose it postmortem, we have no clue what the symptoms are, no clue how to prevent it. The first real breakthrough was identified only a decade ago.
Is there any real indication that CTE doesn't exist in everyone on some level while more pronounced for athletes of contact sports?
This is going to get very bad for the NFL and NCAA
A million dollars playing this "awfully violent game". He couldn't afford the best medical once he was out, or are you always a NFLPA Union member even once you retire?
The hard reality is that the majority of the guys playing big time college and then NFL football are not growing up rich and will never stop doing whatever it takes - including crushing hits - to make it. Like boxing, MMA, even jockeys - when there is a way out you take it no matter what the odds are against you and what the negative health factors might be. And if you have ever been around youth football in a poor area or a football crazed area, you know those leagues are not being run or coached or parented by overly educated people and these studies are never going to impact that level. Like every dangerous sport, the suits will continue to get richer and the talent will continue to be thrown away when they are no longer needed.
Colleges and high schools will stop offering it in 15-20 years. Most players will find other sports, but the big guys will have only wrestling and throwing events in track.
I was a marginal Grammar and High School player and while never being knocked out in a game, I remember at least a half dozen times where I had the "white flash" on impact and seemed to become conscious a second or two later. I don't know how players make it through 12+ years of playing HS, College, and a brief NFL career unscathed. Some will, my guess is the vast majority won't.
There was a special teams play where Sash got knocked out COLD and stayed in the game. Multiply that over his playing career, college and high school...who knows how many instances like that there were.
The hard reality is that the majority of the guys playing big time college and then NFL football are not growing up rich and will never stop doing whatever it takes - including crushing hits - to make it. Like boxing, MMA, even jockeys - when there is a way out you take it no matter what the odds are against you and what the negative health factors might be. And if you have ever been around youth football in a poor area or a football crazed area, you know those leagues are not being run or coached or parented by overly educated people and these studies are never going to impact that level. Like every dangerous sport, the suits will continue to get richer and the talent will continue to be thrown away when they are no longer needed.
Completely agree. Its not like all of these guys are deciding between being a doctor or a LB. Most are trying to change the direction of their lives and will do whatever it takes.
That will quickly impact the player flow downward and upward.
So much for the Old Cosell Rant, "The Knee!!!...ALWAYS The Knee!!!". The Orthopedic impact of the game is now a deep after thought to the severe Brain Trauma that is much more common to players at all levels.
I recall reading that when it was announced that Glenn Campbell had Alzeimer's, some people harkened back to an alcohol relapse and related crazy behavior he had many years earlier, and wondered if it could have been the very early symptoms of the disease.
From what I have read, it seems quite likely that doctors will eventually be able to fully diagnose CTE in living patients. I wonder how that changes things.
This is a multi billion dollar business, so there will be big money in developing tech that can prevent concussions/brain damage/CTE. For example, one of the primary doctors who discovered CTE is working on a neckband that mimics the capability of a woodpecker.
There will be many attempts at a solution. If they can't find one, yeah, it's probably the eventual end of the game.
I'm trying to imagine what tech solution will prevent the brain from moving forward upon violent impact. Even improvements in helmets, so far are not able to prevent the brain from moving and colliding within the skull.
You have to wonder how many active players have this same condition.
It will be mothers who learn about CTE and refuse to let their kids play that will lead to the downfall of the game. Bennet Omalu, the pathologist who discovered CTE, was quoted in a recent interview in response to the question "What percentage of NFL players will suffer CTE, in your estimation?" Omalu said, "100%."
"What?" said the interviewer.
"100%," said Omalu. He suggested that there will be a range in terms of degree, but everyone will suffer from it to some degree.
I recall reading that when it was announced that Glenn Campbell had Alzeimer's, some people harkened back to an alcohol relapse and related crazy behavior he had many years earlier, and wondered if it could have been the very early symptoms of the disease.
From what I have read, it seems quite likely that doctors will eventually be able to fully diagnose CTE in living patients. I wonder how that changes things.
Can't they do that now with a brain scan, or isn't that sophisticated enough to detect CTE?
There are studies out there (Loyola) that bring into question CTE and concussions.The vast majority of the brains examined were from subjects who were exhibiting major problems. Very few from "healthy" individuals with similar concusion histories. Also there is concerns that most retired players live longer than the general public and some brain changes may just be from the aging process. Regardless,the NFL (even if for its on self interest)should stridently look for ways to reduce concussions
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even gymnastics, figure skating, hockey, basketball virtually all sport have there blows to the head.
Blows to the head are part of the game in football...lumping in those other sports is silly....Hockey is the only sport that comes somewhat close with checking. And checking is not a part of the game at many levels.
But virtually every player on the field takes some jarring impact on EVERY play - no other sport can make that claim - hockey, lacrosse - relatively length periods of skating/running with a big hit interspersed.
Its the cumulative impact of sub-concussive hits that does the damage, and no sport (other than boxing) causes its participants to see such a large number of such hits.
Of junior seau. Seau was 43 and sash was 27. So sad and terrible. How can this game survive? And the better question is should it?
I don't believe it can. I'm unaware of a way to have an employer get out being sued after hiring employees for a job they know will kill them or shorten their lives substantially.
Once the liability becomes too great and the money can't be made from it the game will disappear.
They've just done a horrible job with this and it may sink their industry long term.
So football only started causing concussions while Goodell was commissioner? Guess Paul Tagliabue is off the hook in your world.
I wonder how many Soccer players get CTE? The doggone ball is pretty hard and to do a header on some of those long passes and corner kicks has got to hurt. Don't tell me it is infrequent. To get to be as good as those guys takes hundreds of balls of the noggin in practice from the time they are little kids.
They've just done a horrible job with this and it may sink their industry long term.
So football only started causing concussions while Goodell was commissioner? Guess Paul Tagliabue is off the hook in your world.
I wonder how many Soccer players get CTE? The doggone ball is pretty hard and to do a header on some of those long passes and corner kicks has got to hurt. Don't tell me it is infrequent. To get to be as good as those guys takes hundreds of balls of the noggin in practice from the time they are little kids.
I think concussions are an issue, mainly at the youth level, but its from contact with other players, not the ball.
But I doubt it gets to the level of CTE that NFL players are experiencing
I should be paying you rent for occupying space in your little head.
come on pumpkin, if I followed you around on even 10% of your threads I wouldn't do anything else in my life. people who post as much as you need help - there is a reason why, I will guess that people in your real life have shut you out.. the pawn shop deserves better from you, start cutting back. We all get it, you are really smart and everyone is racist- is there anything else you ever say?
big hugs to you
A thread about a former giant who died and a condition afflicting many NFL players (former and present) devolves from a good thread into what I can only assume are two grown men calling each other names on the Internet.
I have read several places that football is worse. You get full body force followed by rapid decelleration from both sides of the collision. F = MV. You get an awful lot of MV out of these collisions, and helmets don't eliminate that to any significant degree.
As far as detection in living individuals, MM, they were just about there in 2015, according to the link, but I haven't read anything yet which confirms that this can be done with confidence. Link - ( New Window )
I have read several places that football is worse. You get full body force followed by rapid decelleration from both sides of the collision. F = MV. You get an awful lot of MV out of these collisions, and helmets don't eliminate that to any significant degree.
As far as detection in living individuals, MM, they were just about there in 2015, according to the link, but I haven't read anything yet which confirms that this can be done with confidence. Link - ( New Window )
F = MA A is acceleration.
P = MV P is momentum.
RE: RE: Capone, you couldn't afford a thing in my safe
Very sad.
There will be many attempts at a solution. If they can't find one, yeah, it's probably the eventual end of the game.
Im praying to the gods that the real athletes don't want to play anymore so I can finally get my shot!!!
This. Once it comes uninsurable, say goodbye to the grassroots.
Not sure why that would matter in this.
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How can this game survive? And the better question is should it?
Im praying to the gods that the real athletes don't want to play anymore so I can finally get my shot!!!
I'm sure others are, too.
From the linked article ...
Josh Sash, eight years older than Tyler, said his brother sustained at least two concussions in high school, one documented concussion in college and two with the Giants, including one in the Giants playoff victory over the San Francisco 49ers that earned the team its berth in the Super Bowl after the 2011 season. [...]
Those concussions are the ones we definitely know about, Josh Sash said. If youve played football, you know there are often other incidents.
I'm not trying to minimize CTE but there is so much unknown about this disease that it's scary. We can only diagnose it postmortem, we have no clue what the symptoms are, no clue how to prevent it. The first real breakthrough was identified only a decade ago.
Is there any real indication that CTE doesn't exist in everyone on some level while more pronounced for athletes of contact sports?
BREAKING: Giants safety Tyler Sash had CTE when he died at 27. 89th former NFL player diagnosed by VA-BU-CLF doctors
Scary stuff.
Completely agree. Its not like all of these guys are deciding between being a doctor or a LB. Most are trying to change the direction of their lives and will do whatever it takes.
Just bring back the Gladiator pits to feed blood to the masses. Safer alternative.
So much for the Old Cosell Rant, "The Knee!!!...ALWAYS The Knee!!!". The Orthopedic impact of the game is now a deep after thought to the severe Brain Trauma that is much more common to players at all levels.
From what I have read, it seems quite likely that doctors will eventually be able to fully diagnose CTE in living patients. I wonder how that changes things.
They've just done a horrible job with this and it may sink their industry long term.
There will be many attempts at a solution. If they can't find one, yeah, it's probably the eventual end of the game.
I'm trying to imagine what tech solution will prevent the brain from moving forward upon violent impact. Even improvements in helmets, so far are not able to prevent the brain from moving and colliding within the skull.
You have to wonder how many active players have this same condition.
"What?" said the interviewer.
"100%," said Omalu. He suggested that there will be a range in terms of degree, but everyone will suffer from it to some degree.
From what I have read, it seems quite likely that doctors will eventually be able to fully diagnose CTE in living patients. I wonder how that changes things.
Can't they do that now with a brain scan, or isn't that sophisticated enough to detect CTE?
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Blows to the head are part of the game in football...lumping in those other sports is silly....Hockey is the only sport that comes somewhat close with checking. And checking is not a part of the game at many levels.
You can't be serious. It's a matter of risk. Football exposes players to far more risk of head injury than those other sports.
Its the cumulative impact of sub-concussive hits that does the damage, and no sport (other than boxing) causes its participants to see such a large number of such hits.
I don't believe it can. I'm unaware of a way to have an employer get out being sued after hiring employees for a job they know will kill them or shorten their lives substantially.
Once the liability becomes too great and the money can't be made from it the game will disappear.
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The NFL will soon be the National Flag League.
I can tell my grandkids, I remember this game when they actually hit people to take them down.
People always love to revel in their stupidity.
People always love to revel in their stupidity.
I'm honestly surprised it hasn't been said yet on this thread.
the saddest thing about this thread besides David the persecuted is that it has not been pinned.. Tyler and the subject of CTE deserves that attention
They've just done a horrible job with this and it may sink their industry long term.
So football only started causing concussions while Goodell was commissioner? Guess Paul Tagliabue is off the hook in your world.
I wonder how many Soccer players get CTE? The doggone ball is pretty hard and to do a header on some of those long passes and corner kicks has got to hurt. Don't tell me it is infrequent. To get to be as good as those guys takes hundreds of balls of the noggin in practice from the time they are little kids.
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like the tobacco industry.
They've just done a horrible job with this and it may sink their industry long term.
So football only started causing concussions while Goodell was commissioner? Guess Paul Tagliabue is off the hook in your world.
I wonder how many Soccer players get CTE? The doggone ball is pretty hard and to do a header on some of those long passes and corner kicks has got to hurt. Don't tell me it is infrequent. To get to be as good as those guys takes hundreds of balls of the noggin in practice from the time they are little kids.
I think concussions are an issue, mainly at the youth level, but its from contact with other players, not the ball.
But I doubt it gets to the level of CTE that NFL players are experiencing
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I love you and all gods children unconditionally - just want you to get the help you need
come on pumpkin, if I followed you around on even 10% of your threads I wouldn't do anything else in my life. people who post as much as you need help - there is a reason why, I will guess that people in your real life have shut you out.. the pawn shop deserves better from you, start cutting back. We all get it, you are really smart and everyone is racist- is there anything else you ever say?
big hugs to you
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I have read several places that football is worse. You get full body force followed by rapid decelleration from both sides of the collision. F = MV. You get an awful lot of MV out of these collisions, and helmets don't eliminate that to any significant degree.
As far as detection in living individuals, MM, they were just about there in 2015, according to the link, but I haven't read anything yet which confirms that this can be done with confidence.
Link - ( New Window )
I have read several places that football is worse. You get full body force followed by rapid decelleration from both sides of the collision. F = MV. You get an awful lot of MV out of these collisions, and helmets don't eliminate that to any significant degree.
As far as detection in living individuals, MM, they were just about there in 2015, according to the link, but I haven't read anything yet which confirms that this can be done with confidence. Link - ( New Window )
F = MA A is acceleration.
P = MV P is momentum.
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so go fuck off you pathetic piece of shit.
I love you and all gods children unconditionally - just want you to get the help you need
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