He was able to play the whole season. Did he show your any thing that might make you think that he could be a solid starting DT for us next year? Or is he just a rotational guy and we could look FA or the draft for a starting DT next to Hankins.
Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.
Reese would be absolutely killed if he drafted Borland and people would be claiming the Giants need to re-evaluate the personality profiling department...
Chris684: You're entitled to your opinion; that doesn't make it fact.
Bromley wasnt going anywhere for at least a few rounds if they wanted him.
You base this on what - inside knowledge of 31 other teams' draft boards? Or his ranking on some Internet draftnik sites?
While the pick may have been an unnecessary reach, there is absolutely no way to know how long Bromley might have stayed on the board if the Giants hadn't taken him.
Just for perspective, three other DTs were selected in the third round of the 2014 Draft. Two of the three never played a down for the teams that selected them. The other, Will Sutton, might be a more polished 3-technique DT than Bromley, but that role no longer exists in Chicago. So Bromley will likely turn out to be the best pick of the four, if only by default.
maybe I shouldnt have stated it as fact but I stand behind my overall point which is that it was highly likely we could have had Bromley 1-2 rounds later.
and wasn't out of place in second year. This year, needs to keep up his training and building on technique for the coming year. His shed needs to improve.
First year, he wasn't strong enough to play with the big boys, very common among rookie DTs. Made a huge jump in his second year but that's not saying much. But, if he makes another jump this test, we have ourselves a good DT.
Identifying players taken after the pick s pretty much a waste of time especially 2 years into the pick. Second, saying that a player would have been available a few rounds later because the Kiper's of the world said do, is even more a waste of time. Nobody knows that for a fact, it's pure conjecture. And, deciding that a player is a bust after 2 years in the NFL I just ignorant. Does the name Corey Webstet, Amani Toomer mean anything?
RE: RE: RE: passing on Chris Borland is a bad thing?
Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.
Reese would be absolutely killed if he drafted Borland and people would be claiming the Giants need to re-evaluate the personality profiling department...
And those people would be silly, as silly as the ones who blame Reese for David Wilson's career ending injury.
He's going through the learning process of becoming an NFL pro
looks like he's improving. Would like to see more of a push/pass rush from him though. That's one of the reasons he was drafted. Either way, drafting another top DT would be a good idea too.
Bromley will start to emerge
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Linval did not really assert himself until his third season. I think we will see the same thing with Bromley. Like his quickness.
LJ wasn't given the chance to get out there like Bromley has....LJ made plays.....Bromley has yet to make his first....
sum my assessment:
jtf: hated the pick, been somewhat better than I thought
RD: Kuhn did not merit starting ahead of him (awful coaching assessment)
Jon: need another impact player at DT
Doom: comparing JB to LJ is a joke
As Doomster said, LJ was anchored to the bench in his rookie year not because he was to green or out of his depth, it's because the Giants had great depth and quality along the entire DL front. As soon as he began getting snaps in his second season, the maturation and effectiveness showed steady growth
He did not play much next to Hankins those snaps went to Kuhn and Jenkins. Once Hankins went down Bromley saw his snaps. I believe at worst he's a rotational guy
others have said, he's shown improvement. I never expected much from him his first year. He also didn't have any help after Hankins went down. Year three is critical for him. Right now at worst he's a solid member of the DT rotation, which is fine for a third round pick, except we did pass on a lot of talent as someone noted.
"Why can't the Giants develop players"? The answer is because a portion of their moronic fan base doesnt have the patience, either they are a star like OBJ or they are a bust" So I would say fan pressure. Next season OO, they have their sights on you!
Yea, right lets blame the fans now. Too funny. Right up there w blaming the fact he didnt get 2 play next 2 hankins. Is it too much to ask that he's a good player all by himself??
Bromley couldnt beat out Kuhn, gets bowled over by the run + no pass rush but other than that, yea, he's great
If hes improved, hes improved to being a complete nothing with no redeemable qualities. Need some players in here who at least do something well/bring something to the table
Who was he going to learn anything from to improve Jenkens maybe but no one else. I can't explain how it took almost every DT to get hurt before he was given an real time plus he was playing the same spot as Hankins unbelievable.
Off course fans are the driving force between who stays
and who goes. If that wasn't true, what would the purpose of BBI be? It and other sites give the powers to be direction and input on personnel. I mean if the millions of words written by fans had no impact, this whole exercise of taking time to post here day after day after day would be pointless and meaningless( the site owner gets paid so he don't count)
"Why can't the Giants develop players"? The answer is because a portion of their moronic fan base doesnt have the patience, either they are a star like OBJ or they are a bust" So I would say fan pressure. Next season OO, they have their sights on you!
Next season? Some of these doors are calling Owa a bust already.
Yea, right lets blame the fans now. Too funny. Right up there w blaming the fact he didnt get 2 play next 2 hankins. Is it too much to ask that he's a good player all by himself??
Bromley couldnt beat out Kuhn, gets bowled over by the run + no pass rush but other than that, yea, he's great
If hes improved, hes improved to being a complete nothing with no redeemable qualities. Need some players in here who at least do something well/bring something to the table
19 tackles and 17 assists in 2015, and that's accomplished during spot duty for most of the year on an undermanned line. That's far from nothing.
was an indictment on either TC or Spags. Both were extremely vocal supporters of his for some reason. I know I'm certainly no expert on DL play, but I know guys aren't supposed to get their shoulders twisted sideways and pushed back a few yards on a routine basis.
Couldn't beat out Kuhn but hey at least he has already played more than Austin. I'm hoping with a new defensive line coach we will get more out of the players. Linval Joseph making the leap from a starter to a probowl caliber starter happened because of better coaching.
That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.
So what you're saying is that the coaches intentionally sabotaged the team?
If that's what you think I said, good luck with that.
Well maybe you should learn how to communicate better?
Funny, coming from a functional illiterate.
I think I'm functioning just fine old man, I'm not the one in adult diapers.
I don't even want to argue with you, it will waste what little you have left on this Earth.
I think I'm functioning just fine old man, I'm not the one in adult diapers.
I don't even want to argue with you, it will waste what little you have left on this Earth.
Give me a break. What good can come from showing off how well you can use hind sight. I laugh when someone says that a player drafted in round 3 was a reach because some idiot like MK.jr says that he should not have been picked until round 4 or 5. If MKjr ever landed a job as a GM he wouldn`t last 2 yrs. I have faith in Jerry Reese as a GM mostly because the ownership of the Giants think he is good enough. I am sure that any ,so called bad draft picks , were a organizational decision not the work of one man. I am pleased that we have a new strength coach who maybe able to solve the injury woes that have plagued our team for the last few years.
When Hankins went down I was dreading the deterioration of our interior run defense. It didn't happen. He took on the load and got it done. In year three I hope we'll see him tap into his pass rush potential.
Well, apparently a lot based on what happened after your early comment. I think I saw a 12-"Re" post in there. Most of it was in the usual know-it-all psychotic landscape - never reflecting reality too closely - that prevails with a few exceptions in The Corner Forum.
Well, apparently a lot based on what happened after your early comment. I think I saw a 12-"Re" post in there. Most of it was in the usual know-it-all psychotic landscape - never reflecting reality too closely - that prevails with a few exceptions in The Corner Forum.
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Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.
Reese would be absolutely killed if he drafted Borland and people would be claiming the Giants need to re-evaluate the personality profiling department...
You base this on what - inside knowledge of 31 other teams' draft boards? Or his ranking on some Internet draftnik sites?
While the pick may have been an unnecessary reach, there is absolutely no way to know how long Bromley might have stayed on the board if the Giants hadn't taken him.
Just for perspective, three other DTs were selected in the third round of the 2014 Draft. Two of the three never played a down for the teams that selected them. The other, Will Sutton, might be a more polished 3-technique DT than Bromley, but that role no longer exists in Chicago. So Bromley will likely turn out to be the best pick of the four, if only by default.
Don't give up on this kid yet.
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That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.
So what you're saying is that the coaches intentionally sabotaged the team?
Identifying players taken after the pick s pretty much a waste of time especially 2 years into the pick. Second, saying that a player would have been available a few rounds later because the Kiper's of the world said do, is even more a waste of time. Nobody knows that for a fact, it's pure conjecture. And, deciding that a player is a bust after 2 years in the NFL I just ignorant. Does the name Corey Webstet, Amani Toomer mean anything?
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Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.
Reese would be absolutely killed if he drafted Borland and people would be claiming the Giants need to re-evaluate the personality profiling department...
And those people would be silly, as silly as the ones who blame Reese for David Wilson's career ending injury.
Vanzetti : 11:39 am : link : reply
Linval did not really assert himself until his third season. I think we will see the same thing with Bromley. Like his quickness.
LJ wasn't given the chance to get out there like Bromley has....LJ made plays.....Bromley has yet to make his first....
jtf: hated the pick, been somewhat better than I thought
RD: Kuhn did not merit starting ahead of him (awful coaching assessment)
Jon: need another impact player at DT
Doom: comparing JB to LJ is a joke
As Doomster said, LJ was anchored to the bench in his rookie year not because he was to green or out of his depth, it's because the Giants had great depth and quality along the entire DL front. As soon as he began getting snaps in his second season, the maturation and effectiveness showed steady growth
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Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.
Hindsight works both ways.
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That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.
So what you're saying is that the coaches intentionally sabotaged the team?
If that's what you think I said, good luck with that.
That ain't much to add to your resume.
Bromley couldnt beat out Kuhn, gets bowled over by the run + no pass rush but other than that, yea, he's great
If hes improved, hes improved to being a complete nothing with no redeemable qualities. Need some players in here who at least do something well/bring something to the table
LoL
Next season? Some of these doors are calling Owa a bust already.
I'm definitely rooting for him though! No hate for him.
Bromley couldnt beat out Kuhn, gets bowled over by the run + no pass rush but other than that, yea, he's great
If hes improved, hes improved to being a complete nothing with no redeemable qualities. Need some players in here who at least do something well/bring something to the table
19 tackles and 17 assists in 2015, and that's accomplished during spot duty for most of the year on an undermanned line. That's far from nothing.
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and what did Kuhn do? Nothing but get blocked. He did nothing to deserve to be entrenched as the starter.
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Bromley couldnt beat out Kuhn, gets bowled over by the run + no pass rush but other than that, yea, he's great
and what did Kuhn do? Nothing but get blocked. He did nothing to deserve to be entrenched as the starter.
Ummm, no, I didn't say anything like that. Get the fucking quotes right, at least, huh?
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for play time........what else is there to say?
That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.
So what you're saying is that the coaches intentionally sabotaged the team?
If that's what you think I said, good luck with that.
Well maybe you should learn how to communicate better?
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for play time........what else is there to say?
That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.
So what you're saying is that the coaches intentionally sabotaged the team?
If that's what you think I said, good luck with that.
Well maybe you should learn how to communicate better?
Funny, coming from a functional illiterate.
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for play time........what else is there to say?
That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.
So what you're saying is that the coaches intentionally sabotaged the team?
If that's what you think I said, good luck with that.
Well maybe you should learn how to communicate better?
Funny, coming from a functional illiterate.
I think I'm functioning just fine old man, I'm not the one in adult diapers.
I don't even want to argue with you, it will waste what little you have left on this Earth.
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I think I'm functioning just fine old man, I'm not the one in adult diapers.
I don't even want to argue with you, it will waste what little you have left on this Earth.
*YAWN*
Immaturity
Bromley may not be that guy and could jsut be the #3 or #4 rotational tackle on the roster.
Well, apparently a lot based on what happened after your early comment. I think I saw a 12-"Re" post in there. Most of it was in the usual know-it-all psychotic landscape - never reflecting reality too closely - that prevails with a few exceptions in The Corner Forum.
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for play time........what else is there to say?
Well, apparently a lot based on what happened after your early comment. I think I saw a 12-"Re" post in there. Most of it was in the usual know-it-all psychotic landscape - never reflecting reality too closely - that prevails with a few exceptions in The Corner Forum.
Well, I guess that's that!