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What were your thoughts on Bromley this season?

superspynyg : 1/28/2016 10:00 am
He was able to play the whole season. Did he show your any thing that might make you think that he could be a solid starting DT for us next year? Or is he just a rotational guy and we could look FA or the draft for a starting DT next to Hankins.
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RE: RE: passing on Chris Borland is a bad thing?  
giants#1 : 1/28/2016 12:13 pm : link
In comment 12791801 Mike from SI said:
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Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.


Reese would be absolutely killed if he drafted Borland and people would be claiming the Giants need to re-evaluate the personality profiling department...
Chris684: You're entitled to your opinion; that doesn't make it fact.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/28/2016 12:20 pm : link
Chris684 said:
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Bromley wasnt going anywhere for at least a few rounds if they wanted him.

You base this on what - inside knowledge of 31 other teams' draft boards? Or his ranking on some Internet draftnik sites?

While the pick may have been an unnecessary reach, there is absolutely no way to know how long Bromley might have stayed on the board if the Giants hadn't taken him.

Just for perspective, three other DTs were selected in the third round of the 2014 Draft. Two of the three never played a down for the teams that selected them. The other, Will Sutton, might be a more polished 3-technique DT than Bromley, but that role no longer exists in Chicago. So Bromley will likely turn out to be the best pick of the four, if only by default.
He was improved from his rookie year.  
Red Dog : 1/28/2016 12:26 pm : link
And he needs to play more. Should have been starting instead of Kuhn.

Don't give up on this kid yet.
You're right  
Chris684 : 1/28/2016 12:30 pm : link
maybe I shouldnt have stated it as fact but I stand behind my overall point which is that it was highly likely we could have had Bromley 1-2 rounds later.
Stayed healthy  
RAIN : 1/28/2016 12:34 pm : link
and wasn't out of place in second year. This year, needs to keep up his training and building on technique for the coming year. His shed needs to improve.
My thoughts?  
njm : 1/28/2016 12:38 pm : link
Underwhelmed.
RE: RE: Couldn't beat Kuhn  
LeonofKiev : 1/28/2016 12:42 pm : link
In comment 12791481 BMac said:
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for play time........what else is there to say?



That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.


So what you're saying is that the coaches intentionally sabotaged the team?
Agree with Vanzetti  
Samiam : 1/28/2016 1:16 pm : link
First year, he wasn't strong enough to play with the big boys, very common among rookie DTs. Made a huge jump in his second year but that's not saying much. But, if he makes another jump this test, we have ourselves a good DT.

Identifying players taken after the pick s pretty much a waste of time especially 2 years into the pick. Second, saying that a player would have been available a few rounds later because the Kiper's of the world said do, is even more a waste of time. Nobody knows that for a fact, it's pure conjecture. And, deciding that a player is a bust after 2 years in the NFL I just ignorant. Does the name Corey Webstet, Amani Toomer mean anything?
RE: RE: RE: passing on Chris Borland is a bad thing?  
Mike from SI : 1/28/2016 1:51 pm : link
In comment 12791805 giants#1 said:
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Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.



Reese would be absolutely killed if he drafted Borland and people would be claiming the Giants need to re-evaluate the personality profiling department...


And those people would be silly, as silly as the ones who blame Reese for David Wilson's career ending injury.
He's going through the learning process of becoming an NFL pro  
JonC : 1/28/2016 1:54 pm : link
and, his presence shouldn't preclude the regime from acquiring a superior player to start next to Hankins.
Bromley Seems Like a Solid Third Member  
OntheRoad : 1/28/2016 2:04 pm : link
of a three-man DT rotation. I hope the Giants can obtain a better first string DT to replace Kuhn.
terrible  
area junc : 1/28/2016 2:07 pm : link
i had hopes for him after his rookie preseason but he's done nothing. easily handled
Nice guy to have in your DT rotation....  
Simms11 : 1/28/2016 2:15 pm : link
looks like he's improving. Would like to see more of a push/pass rush from him though. That's one of the reasons he was drafted. Either way, drafting another top DT would be a good idea too.
No comparison.....  
Doomster : 1/28/2016 2:24 pm : link
Bromley will start to emerge
Vanzetti : 11:39 am : link : reply
Linval did not really assert himself until his third season. I think we will see the same thing with Bromley. Like his quickness.


LJ wasn't given the chance to get out there like Bromley has....LJ made plays.....Bromley has yet to make his first....
jtfuoco, Red Dog, JonC, and Doomster  
ColHowPepper : 1/28/2016 2:53 pm : link
sum my assessment:
jtf: hated the pick, been somewhat better than I thought
RD: Kuhn did not merit starting ahead of him (awful coaching assessment)
Jon: need another impact player at DT
Doom: comparing JB to LJ is a joke
As Doomster said, LJ was anchored to the bench in his rookie year not because he was to green or out of his depth, it's because the Giants had great depth and quality along the entire DL front. As soon as he began getting snaps in his second season, the maturation and effectiveness showed steady growth
Look who Bromley played next to  
Tuckrule : 1/28/2016 3:02 pm : link
He did not play much next to Hankins those snaps went to Kuhn and Jenkins. Once Hankins went down Bromley saw his snaps. I believe at worst he's a rotational guy
CHP  
JonC : 1/28/2016 3:09 pm : link
For sure, but need DEs worse.
RE: RE: passing on Chris Borland is a bad thing?  
BMac : 1/28/2016 3:23 pm : link
In comment 12791801 Mike from SI said:
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Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.


Hindsight works both ways.
RE: RE: RE: Couldn't beat Kuhn  
BMac : 1/28/2016 3:24 pm : link
In comment 12791864 LeonofKiev said:
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for play time........what else is there to say?



That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.



So what you're saying is that the coaches intentionally sabotaged the team?


If that's what you think I said, good luck with that.
i think he played fine  
YorkAveGiant : 1/28/2016 3:44 pm : link
im looking forward to a nice jump next year and to then be here another 3-4 years as he will be a nice, affordable guy who knows the system well.
As  
AcidTest : 1/28/2016 3:46 pm : link
others have said, he's shown improvement. I never expected much from him his first year. He also didn't have any help after Hankins went down. Year three is critical for him. Right now at worst he's a solid member of the DT rotation, which is fine for a third round pick, except we did pass on a lot of talent as someone noted.
The question is always asked  
Headhunter : 1/28/2016 3:52 pm : link
"Why can't the Giants develop players"? The answer is because a portion of their moronic fan base doesnt have the patience, either they are a star like OBJ or they are a bust" So I would say fan pressure. Next season OO, they have their sights on you!
RE: showed improvement throughout  
OC2.0 : 1/28/2016 3:57 pm : link
In comment 12791487 George from PA said:
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Definately out played Kuhn


That ain't much to add to your resume.
Redskins Game  
Sour Kraut Kid : 1/28/2016 5:31 pm : link
His roughing the passer on the last drive was horrific... That's all I care to remember...
Headhunter lmao  
area junc : 1/28/2016 5:40 pm : link
Yea, right lets blame the fans now. Too funny. Right up there w blaming the fact he didnt get 2 play next 2 hankins. Is it too much to ask that he's a good player all by himself??

Bromley couldnt beat out Kuhn, gets bowled over by the run + no pass rush but other than that, yea, he's great

If hes improved, hes improved to being a complete nothing with no redeemable qualities. Need some players in here who at least do something well/bring something to the table
RE: Maybe he s one of those  
shabu : 1/28/2016 6:13 pm : link
In comment 12791501 joeinpa said:
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3rd to 7th round picks that s been under coached


LoL
Bromley  
Dragon : 1/28/2016 6:15 pm : link
Who was he going to learn anything from to improve Jenkens maybe but no one else. I can't explain how it took almost every DT to get hurt before he was given an real time plus he was playing the same spot as Hankins unbelievable.
Off course fans are the driving force between who stays  
Headhunter : 1/28/2016 6:21 pm : link
and who goes. If that wasn't true, what would the purpose of BBI be? It and other sites give the powers to be direction and input on personnel. I mean if the millions of words written by fans had no impact, this whole exercise of taking time to post here day after day after day would be pointless and meaningless( the site owner gets paid so he don't count)
Of course  
Headhunter : 1/28/2016 6:22 pm : link
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RE: The question is always asked  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/28/2016 6:23 pm : link
In comment 12792385 Headhunter said:
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"Why can't the Giants develop players"? The answer is because a portion of their moronic fan base doesnt have the patience, either they are a star like OBJ or they are a bust" So I would say fan pressure. Next season OO, they have their sights on you!



Next season? Some of these doors are calling Owa a bust already.
He had his ups and downs  
David in LA : 1/28/2016 6:25 pm : link
but he needs one more year in the weight room this offseason.
Haven't noticed him,  
giantgiantfan : 1/28/2016 6:39 pm : link
but while I'm more than a casual fan I don't focus on guys all that often or rewatch games to isolate a player.

I'm definitely rooting for him though! No hate for him.
RE: Headhunter lmao  
BMac : 1/28/2016 6:41 pm : link
In comment 12792575 area junc said:
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Yea, right lets blame the fans now. Too funny. Right up there w blaming the fact he didnt get 2 play next 2 hankins. Is it too much to ask that he's a good player all by himself??

Bromley couldnt beat out Kuhn, gets bowled over by the run + no pass rush but other than that, yea, he's great

If hes improved, hes improved to being a complete nothing with no redeemable qualities. Need some players in here who at least do something well/bring something to the table


19 tackles and 17 assists in 2015, and that's accomplished during spot duty for most of the year on an undermanned line. That's far from nothing.
Not really good  
Glover : 1/28/2016 7:21 pm : link
but should have been starting over Kuhn. He's a keeper, big guy, occasionally makes plays. Good back up.
RE: RE: Headhunter lmao  
Glover : 1/28/2016 7:24 pm : link
In comment 12792658 BMac said:
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Bromley couldnt beat out Kuhn, gets bowled over by the run + no pass rush but other than that, yea, he's great






and what did Kuhn do? Nothing but get blocked. He did nothing to deserve to be entrenched as the starter.
RE: RE: RE: Headhunter lmao  
BMac : 1/28/2016 8:32 pm : link
In comment 12792698 Glover said:
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Bromley couldnt beat out Kuhn, gets bowled over by the run + no pass rush but other than that, yea, he's great








and what did Kuhn do? Nothing but get blocked. He did nothing to deserve to be entrenched as the starter.


Ummm, no, I didn't say anything like that. Get the fucking quotes right, at least, huh?
I always felt that Kuhn getting meaningful snaps  
David in LA : 1/28/2016 8:36 pm : link
was an indictment on either TC or Spags. Both were extremely vocal supporters of his for some reason. I know I'm certainly no expert on DL play, but I know guys aren't supposed to get their shoulders twisted sideways and pushed back a few yards on a routine basis.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Couldn't beat Kuhn  
LeonofKiev : 1/28/2016 11:52 pm : link
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for play time........what else is there to say?



That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.



So what you're saying is that the coaches intentionally sabotaged the team?



If that's what you think I said, good luck with that.


Well maybe you should learn how to communicate better?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Couldn't beat Kuhn  
BMac : 1/29/2016 6:49 am : link
In comment 12792912 LeonofKiev said:
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for play time........what else is there to say?



That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.



So what you're saying is that the coaches intentionally sabotaged the team?



If that's what you think I said, good luck with that.



Well maybe you should learn how to communicate better?


Funny, coming from a functional illiterate.
Flashes  
Rong5611 : 1/29/2016 7:16 am : link
I think he's a solid, rotational guy. He flashed. Needs more playing time. Kuhn needs less.
Not the future starting DT you hoped for at this point  
The Tempest : 1/29/2016 10:40 am : link
Couldn't beat out Kuhn but hey at least he has already played more than Austin. I'm hoping with a new defensive line coach we will get more out of the players. Linval Joseph making the leap from a starter to a probowl caliber starter happened because of better coaching.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Couldn't beat Kuhn  
LeonofKiev : 1/29/2016 11:41 am : link
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for play time........what else is there to say?



That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.



So what you're saying is that the coaches intentionally sabotaged the team?



If that's what you think I said, good luck with that.



Well maybe you should learn how to communicate better?



Funny, coming from a functional illiterate.


I think I'm functioning just fine old man, I'm not the one in adult diapers.
I don't even want to argue with you, it will waste what little you have left on this Earth.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Couldn't beat Kuhn  
BMac : 1/29/2016 11:57 am : link
In comment 12793409 LeonofKiev said:
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I think I'm functioning just fine old man, I'm not the one in adult diapers.
I don't even want to argue with you, it will waste what little you have left on this Earth.


*YAWN*
I will never  
jtfuoco : 1/29/2016 2:31 pm : link
understand how a discussion about 3rd string DT Bromely leads to personal attacks on BBI.
Analizing past drafts  
hotrod48 : 1/29/2016 5:17 pm : link
Give me a break. What good can come from showing off how well you can use hind sight. I laugh when someone says that a player drafted in round 3 was a reach because some idiot like MK.jr says that he should not have been picked until round 4 or 5. If MKjr ever landed a job as a GM he wouldn`t last 2 yrs. I have faith in Jerry Reese as a GM mostly because the ownership of the Giants think he is good enough. I am sure that any ,so called bad draft picks , were a organizational decision not the work of one man. I am pleased that we have a new strength coach who maybe able to solve the injury woes that have plagued our team for the last few years.
RE: I will never  
The Tempest : 1/29/2016 5:23 pm : link
In comment 12793764 jtfuoco said:
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understand how a discussion about 3rd string DT Bromely leads to personal attacks on BBI.


Immaturity
Bromley didn't stand out good or bad to me.  
Jimmy Googs : 1/29/2016 5:39 pm : link
But we are clearly looking for players to provide an impact some way no matter the position.

Bromley may not be that guy and could jsut be the #3 or #4 rotational tackle on the roster.
Bromley made big strides in his development this season  
Torrag : 1/29/2016 9:08 pm : link
When Hankins went down I was dreading the deterioration of our interior run defense. It didn't happen. He took on the load and got it done. In year three I hope we'll see him tap into his pass rush potential.
RE: Couldn't beat Kuhn  
BronxBob : 2/4/2016 3:19 pm : link
In comment 12791456 LeonofKiev said:
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for play time........what else is there to say?



Well, apparently a lot based on what happened after your early comment. I think I saw a 12-"Re" post in there. Most of it was in the usual know-it-all psychotic landscape - never reflecting reality too closely - that prevails with a few exceptions in The Corner Forum.
RE: RE: Couldn't beat Kuhn  
BMac : 2/4/2016 3:54 pm : link
In comment 12801023 BronxBob said:
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for play time........what else is there to say?




Well, apparently a lot based on what happened after your early comment. I think I saw a 12-"Re" post in there. Most of it was in the usual know-it-all psychotic landscape - never reflecting reality too closely - that prevails with a few exceptions in The Corner Forum.


Well, I guess that's that!
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