He was able to play the whole season. Did he show your any thing that might make you think that he could be a solid starting DT for us next year? Or is he just a rotational guy and we could look FA or the draft for a starting DT next to Hankins.
was labeled a reach on draft night by most pundits and they were right. Simply put he not a starting caliber player and he's nothing more than a bottom of the depth chart DT.
but their opinion is pretty much the opposite of the consensus on this thread:
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The Giants Know Defensive Tackles
When the Giants selected Jay Bromley in the third round, the fan reaction was almost universally "rage". Few people knew his name, and when it came out that he didn't even expect to be drafted before the third day, that rage only intensified. He was famously on his way to rent a movie (it was "Gravity", by the way) when the Giants called.
But as it turns out, the Giants scouting department might know a thing or two about drafting defensive tackles.
Bromley's snap count has steadily risen throughout the season. He hit his season-high against San Francisco with 34 snaps, or 50 percent of the defensive snaps. Steve Spagnuolo had mentioned before the game that Bromley had been working extremely hard all offseason, and his has showed. When he has been on the field he has consistently been stout at the point of attack and frequently disruptive behind the line of scrimmage. In his first start, Bromley's +3.1 made him the highest-rated Giant on Sunday night.
He has been stringing together strong performances on limited snaps. It's time for him to get a bigger role in the defense.
when it was made along with the Thompson pick this last season but he has not been as bad as I thought he would be in the pros just nothing special which sucks because there was some great talent at the round during the draft.
At least with a guy like Marvin Austin you can argue that b/c of his boom potential, if they really liked him they had to take him there or someone else would have before their next pick.
Bromley wasnt going anywhere for at least a few rounds if they wanted him.
Once again the BBI thought that if the player is not all-pro it is a busted pick.
Go look at the list of DT he passed on: W. Sutton, L. Nix, K. Thornton, J. Ellis, D. Jones. Other GM's draft players like this at this point and it becomes good depth. In this case it is viewed as his worst pick.
T. Mason - The Giants got the same production from a player picked 38 positions later
We need, depth, we need depth, you build through the draft, etc - unless Reese does it than it becomes a shitty pick.
showed flashes this year and contributed as a rotational guy. still only has two years under his belt. Noticeable difference between year 1 and 2. At worst he's a rotational depth DT. At best he takes another step next year and can be a starter. optimistic view but I don't think its crazy
Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.
Reese would be absolutely killed if he drafted Borland and people would be claiming the Giants need to re-evaluate the personality profiling department...
Chris684: You're entitled to your opinion; that doesn't make it fact.
Bromley wasnt going anywhere for at least a few rounds if they wanted him.
You base this on what - inside knowledge of 31 other teams' draft boards? Or his ranking on some Internet draftnik sites?
While the pick may have been an unnecessary reach, there is absolutely no way to know how long Bromley might have stayed on the board if the Giants hadn't taken him.
Just for perspective, three other DTs were selected in the third round of the 2014 Draft. Two of the three never played a down for the teams that selected them. The other, Will Sutton, might be a more polished 3-technique DT than Bromley, but that role no longer exists in Chicago. So Bromley will likely turn out to be the best pick of the four, if only by default.
maybe I shouldnt have stated it as fact but I stand behind my overall point which is that it was highly likely we could have had Bromley 1-2 rounds later.
and wasn't out of place in second year. This year, needs to keep up his training and building on technique for the coming year. His shed needs to improve.
First year, he wasn't strong enough to play with the big boys, very common among rookie DTs. Made a huge jump in his second year but that's not saying much. But, if he makes another jump this test, we have ourselves a good DT.
Identifying players taken after the pick s pretty much a waste of time especially 2 years into the pick. Second, saying that a player would have been available a few rounds later because the Kiper's of the world said do, is even more a waste of time. Nobody knows that for a fact, it's pure conjecture. And, deciding that a player is a bust after 2 years in the NFL I just ignorant. Does the name Corey Webstet, Amani Toomer mean anything?
RE: RE: RE: passing on Chris Borland is a bad thing?
Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.
Reese would be absolutely killed if he drafted Borland and people would be claiming the Giants need to re-evaluate the personality profiling department...
And those people would be silly, as silly as the ones who blame Reese for David Wilson's career ending injury.
He's going through the learning process of becoming an NFL pro
looks like he's improving. Would like to see more of a push/pass rush from him though. That's one of the reasons he was drafted. Either way, drafting another top DT would be a good idea too.
Bromley will start to emerge
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Linval did not really assert himself until his third season. I think we will see the same thing with Bromley. Like his quickness.
LJ wasn't given the chance to get out there like Bromley has....LJ made plays.....Bromley has yet to make his first....
sum my assessment:
jtf: hated the pick, been somewhat better than I thought
RD: Kuhn did not merit starting ahead of him (awful coaching assessment)
Jon: need another impact player at DT
Doom: comparing JB to LJ is a joke
As Doomster said, LJ was anchored to the bench in his rookie year not because he was to green or out of his depth, it's because the Giants had great depth and quality along the entire DL front. As soon as he began getting snaps in his second season, the maturation and effectiveness showed steady growth
He did not play much next to Hankins those snaps went to Kuhn and Jenkins. Once Hankins went down Bromley saw his snaps. I believe at worst he's a rotational guy
others have said, he's shown improvement. I never expected much from him his first year. He also didn't have any help after Hankins went down. Year three is critical for him. Right now at worst he's a solid member of the DT rotation, which is fine for a third round pick, except we did pass on a lot of talent as someone noted.
"Why can't the Giants develop players"? The answer is because a portion of their moronic fan base doesnt have the patience, either they are a star like OBJ or they are a bust" So I would say fan pressure. Next season OO, they have their sights on you!
That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.
Gabe Jackson
Tre Mason
Travis Swanson
Donte Moncrief
John Brown
Trae Turner
Crockett Gilmore
Gabe Jackson
Tre Mason
Travis Swanson
Donte Moncrief
John Brown
Trae Turner
Crockett Gilmore
All I wanted was Gabe or Trai
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mara is like the river denial.
That said, in 2013 we couldn't afford to draft guys that might make an impact three years down the road. And we needed OL depth more than DT depth.
When the Giants selected Jay Bromley in the third round, the fan reaction was almost universally "rage". Few people knew his name, and when it came out that he didn't even expect to be drafted before the third day, that rage only intensified. He was famously on his way to rent a movie (it was "Gravity", by the way) when the Giants called.
But as it turns out, the Giants scouting department might know a thing or two about drafting defensive tackles.
Bromley's snap count has steadily risen throughout the season. He hit his season-high against San Francisco with 34 snaps, or 50 percent of the defensive snaps. Steve Spagnuolo had mentioned before the game that Bromley had been working extremely hard all offseason, and his has showed. When he has been on the field he has consistently been stout at the point of attack and frequently disruptive behind the line of scrimmage. In his first start, Bromley's +3.1 made him the highest-rated Giant on Sunday night.
He has been stringing together strong performances on limited snaps. It's time for him to get a bigger role in the defense.
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At least with a guy like Marvin Austin you can argue that b/c of his boom potential, if they really liked him they had to take him there or someone else would have before their next pick.
Bromley wasnt going anywhere for at least a few rounds if they wanted him.
Go look at the list of DT he passed on: W. Sutton, L. Nix, K. Thornton, J. Ellis, D. Jones. Other GM's draft players like this at this point and it becomes good depth. In this case it is viewed as his worst pick.
T. Mason - The Giants got the same production from a player picked 38 positions later
We need, depth, we need depth, you build through the draft, etc - unless Reese does it than it becomes a shitty pick.
Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.
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Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.
Reese would be absolutely killed if he drafted Borland and people would be claiming the Giants need to re-evaluate the personality profiling department...
You base this on what - inside knowledge of 31 other teams' draft boards? Or his ranking on some Internet draftnik sites?
While the pick may have been an unnecessary reach, there is absolutely no way to know how long Bromley might have stayed on the board if the Giants hadn't taken him.
Just for perspective, three other DTs were selected in the third round of the 2014 Draft. Two of the three never played a down for the teams that selected them. The other, Will Sutton, might be a more polished 3-technique DT than Bromley, but that role no longer exists in Chicago. So Bromley will likely turn out to be the best pick of the four, if only by default.
Don't give up on this kid yet.
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for play time........what else is there to say?
That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.
So what you're saying is that the coaches intentionally sabotaged the team?
Identifying players taken after the pick s pretty much a waste of time especially 2 years into the pick. Second, saying that a player would have been available a few rounds later because the Kiper's of the world said do, is even more a waste of time. Nobody knows that for a fact, it's pure conjecture. And, deciding that a player is a bust after 2 years in the NFL I just ignorant. Does the name Corey Webstet, Amani Toomer mean anything?
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Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.
Reese would be absolutely killed if he drafted Borland and people would be claiming the Giants need to re-evaluate the personality profiling department...
And those people would be silly, as silly as the ones who blame Reese for David Wilson's career ending injury.
Vanzetti : 11:39 am : link : reply
Linval did not really assert himself until his third season. I think we will see the same thing with Bromley. Like his quickness.
LJ wasn't given the chance to get out there like Bromley has....LJ made plays.....Bromley has yet to make his first....
jtf: hated the pick, been somewhat better than I thought
RD: Kuhn did not merit starting ahead of him (awful coaching assessment)
Jon: need another impact player at DT
Doom: comparing JB to LJ is a joke
As Doomster said, LJ was anchored to the bench in his rookie year not because he was to green or out of his depth, it's because the Giants had great depth and quality along the entire DL front. As soon as he began getting snaps in his second season, the maturation and effectiveness showed steady growth
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Yes b/c nobody could have predicted he'd retire in a year, and he was a Pro Bowl caliber player his rookie year.
Hindsight works both ways.
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for play time........what else is there to say?
That was a coaching decision. Whenever Bromley was in, he out-performed Kuhn.
So what you're saying is that the coaches intentionally sabotaged the team?
If that's what you think I said, good luck with that.
That ain't much to add to your resume.