Mario Manningham

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a third round WR who played as much as he did? That's a very productive pick.

puts him in the hit category. Add in the 3rd and goal from the 15 in the NFC Championship game... Manningham was a hit. Don't know what people were expecting from a 3rd rd pick, but he was a solid WR who was a big contributor on a Superbowl team that made key plays when they were needed.

Having said that, I'll never forget watching him literally DROP the fucking football in the 2010 Eagles game. So glad we won the Superbowl the next year to take the sting out of that game.

plays of that SB run (obviously the XLVI catch but also that 3rd & 16 td in the NFCCG).

Kind of hard to argue that a 3rd round pick who directly contributed to a lombardi with extraordinary plays was a "miss" -- even if the rest of his career was lackluster.

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Almost 1800 yards and 14 TDs in 2010-11 before the injury bug bit, and was a big contributor to a title with 3 more TDs in 4 playoff games.

Also it took Eli some time to click with MM because his speed, flat out speed along with ability to naturally catch over the shoulder was something Eli hadn't had before with his WR crew on the Giants. Eli stated he had to "get the ball out faster" to get to Mario downfield in stride - obviously because of his speed.

He had good enough hands and was exceptional off the LOS (too quick and fast for just about any CB 1 on 1 to jam him) and had a very very good ability to track balls over the shoulder. Took him a bit of time but eventually he could really work the sidelines, too, as his SB catch demonstrated.

Weak over the middle, (not enough bulk?) and not a good match to Gilbride's complicated route adjustments/reads system.

Would prolly have shined more brightly in a WCO like McAdoo has installed.

But for the last pick of the 3rd round, def a "hit" IMO.

Last 3 years with the Giants he had almost 2,300 receiving yards and 18 TDs.

Not to mention he was a key performer in our Superbowl run, as in 4 playoff games he had 13 receptions and 3 TDs.

And Rueben Randle makes me appreciate MM alot more.

who went later because of something...combine/marijuana/etc. something that dropped his stock. I remember being very happy that Jerry drafted him in the third round and he became a Giant. He was very talented at Michigan.

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And Rueben Randle makes me appreciate MM alot more.

MM didn't get a lot of respect here and when RR was drafted many were proclaiming it an instant upgrade. Turns out to have been a downgrade though MM got hurt so in the end we were better off with Randle.

In comment 12792244 BlueLou said:

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Also it took Eli some time to click with MM because his speed, flat out speed along with ability to naturally catch over the shoulder was something Eli hadn't had before with his WR crew on the Giants. Eli stated he had to "get the ball out faster" to get to Mario downfield in stride - obviously because of his speed. He had good enough hands and was exceptional off the LOS (too quick and fast for just about any CB 1 on 1 to jam him) and had a very very good ability to track balls over the shoulder. Took him a bit of time but eventually he could really work the sidelines, too, as his SB catch demonstrated. Weak over the middle, (not enough bulk?) and not a good match to Gilbride's complicated route adjustments/reads system. Would prolly have shined more brightly in a WCO like McAdoo has installed. But for the last pick of the 3rd round, def a "hit" IMO.

Excellent analysis. He would have been drafted higher IMO but for the pot incident.

The more I reflect on Mario, he was as a pro pretty much exactly what he was at Mich...Not the most consistent or brightest guy, but very difficult to cover man on man and a serious big play weapon who frequently delivered at the most crucial moments.

What folks younger than I call "a baller."

highlight reel for Big Blue.
Mario Manningham Highlights: New York Giants - ( New Window )

I liked Mario and his time here. At the Combine, he had that positive test for weed, that he lied about, and then sent a letter to every team admitting that he lied. Then there was the whole single-digit Wonderlic score. So he failed the Wonderlic and passed the Pot Test.

The last pick in the 3rd round is still in the top 100 players coming out, this could have gone wrong for Reese. The Coaches could have made his transition into the NFL a little easier by just giving him a few sideline routes to run. But i recall a lot of option reads that he struggled with.

But that was some Playoff Run, wasn't it.

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the one I read indicated that Austin and Manningham were seen as boom or bust picks and they missed wit Austin and hit with Mannigham

Just sounds right. I hate injuries

In comment 12792528 Jay in Toronto said:

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the one I read indicated that Austin and Manningham were seen as boom or bust picks and they missed wit Austin and hit with Manningham

Correct..

People forget who good he played at the tail end of 2010 when he was the man. (16 catches/346 yards and 4TD's) Nicks was hurt and that was before Cruz hit the scene. He was slowed a little to start 2011 and by that time Cruz/Nicks were dominating but he had absolutely huge catches.

We were a soft team in 2012 but in retrospect, he should have stayed with us. The 49ers didn't have a quarterback that could get him the ball and then he got hurt. He didn't get a whole lot of money on that contract with the 49ers. We probably make the playoffs with him and don't draft Ruben Randle.

on Manningham for a 3rd round draft pick. Manningham had a history at Michigan for drug use and not running the correct routes. I loved the pick.

#3.

In comment 12792627 giantgiantfan said:

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#3.

As in #3 WR, not 3rd round pick.

His stats may not have been all that crazy, but defenses had to respect his speed. He was great at catching the deep ball.

He would have been a #2 WR in a lot of offenses.

No Manningham, no Super Bowl in 2011.

TD receptions against 49ers in two games that season:

Manningham: 2
Nicks: 1
Pascoe: 1
Cruz: 0

The Niners signing Manningham did more to hurt the Giants than it did to help the 49ers.

He was good enough as a #3 to be the difference.

Sometimes you get lucky, but you can't expect more from a 3rd round pick.

in their current west coast style offense. IMHO, The only thing that hurt him in Gilbride's offense is he wasn't very bright. Not judging Gilbride's style of offense it's just that you had to be smart to play it. Manningham was always fast, ran good routes, had the wiggle to makes moves, etc. I think he would have dominated in this offense.

He took an unnecessary beating around here. Sure, he had some lapses, but the guy could fucking play. His YAC ability is what's missing right now out of our #2 and #3 guys right now.

In comment 12792528 Jay in Toronto said:

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the one I read indicated that Austin and Manningham were seen as boom or bust picks and they missed wit Austin and hit with Mannigham

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The original article has Manningham as a hit but the writer on the website then disagreed and said he was a miss which i just can't agree with.

where he was chosen.

was the best trio of WRs ever in the history of the Giants

but Randle never caught an important catch like Mario did. At the time it was unfortunate the Giants couldnt keep all 3 WRs, it will be very unfortunate IMO if they keep Randle.

was the last time Reese got anything out of a third round pick.

I'd take him over Randle any day, he had speed, he could separate, actually came up clutch in games that mattered, and ran more than 2 routes.

Mr. Irrelevant should basically be the guy Reese picks in the third round every year.

7 years of players who've done next to nothing in that round, I'm too scared to look at the rounds after that...

^^^ This has to be one of the worst pure football observations I have ever seen.

Remind me to skip on future football opinions from this handle...

You might as well have said MM's intelligence and sophistication was a lot like Eli's.

Sheesh.

MM could make and did make big plays at key times. MM was a good draft pick IMO. He could get separation and YAC, something RR cannot.

-Eric from BBI

LT's okay though

He would have flourished in this offense.

You could see his last 2 years with us he was really starting to come on

In comment 12792928 LeonofKiev said:

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was the last time Reese got anything out of a third round pick. I'd take him over Randle any day, he had speed, he could separate, actually came up clutch in games that mattered, and ran more than 2 routes. Mr. Irrelevant should basically be the guy Reese picks in the third round every year. 7 years of players who've done next to nothing in that round, I'm too scared to look at the rounds after that...

I'd like to see how teams do overall in the 3rd round. You might hit on jackpot with a guy like DeMarco Murray, or you do ok and get a Manningham, or you flat out miss. I'd wager that the majority is filled with misses. I do think we should have gotten more out of the 3rd round though.

contribute a lot to a Super Bowl run, including making one of the most memorable and greatest catches of all time in the big game?

Hit.

In comment 12794388 SethFromAstoria said:

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contribute a lot to a Super Bowl run, including making one of the most memorable and greatest catches of all time in the big game? Hit.

Absolutely. Manningham had a few lapses, but they were never the egregious kind. I always thought it was a matter of him not running the best routes, not missing the reads. Randle's mistakes seems to end up making us pay more dearly (way too many picks). Manningham was a very good WR. He could make catches over his shoulders, and he had made yards after contact. Small guy, but I remember his rookie season he would bounce off of defenders. He is a gamer, and you could tell from day 1. I thought the shots at his intelligence was trumped up more than it should have. The guy smoked pot (maturity and possible self control issue) and didn't take the wonderlic seriously. I never got the impression he was the dunce this board made him out to be.

Seth, your post made me think of Tyree. 6th round for a great special teams player, not so great WR, but he made the most incredible and dramatic catch in SB history? He was a home run.

In comment 12794390 David in LA said:

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In comment 12794388 SethFromAstoria said: Quote: contribute a lot to a Super Bowl run, including making one of the most memorable and greatest catches of all time in the big game? Hit. Absolutely. Manningham had a few lapses, but they were never the egregious kind. I always thought it was a matter of him not running the best routes, not missing the reads. Randle's mistakes seems to end up making us pay more dearly (way too many picks). Manningham was a very good WR. He could make catches over his shoulders, and he had made yards after contact. Small guy, but I remember his rookie season he would bounce off of defenders. He is a gamer, and you could tell from day 1. I thought the shots at his intelligence was trumped up more than it should have. The guy smoked pot (maturity and possible self control issue) and didn't take the wonderlic seriously. I never got the impression he was the dunce this board made him out to be. Seth, your post made me think of Tyree. 6th round for a great special teams player, not so great WR, but he made the most incredible and dramatic catch in SB history? He was a home run.

Was he 6th? Thought 5th. DOesn't matter. The thing about a play like his is that there are 1st rounders who could have great careers and never have a single play even close to how famous and memorable Tyree's was. But also like you said, he was literally the best special teams guy on the whole team, right? A pick that late who can be a specials ace is as beneficial a pick as you can make down there except for one of those picks that are like hitting the lotto (Bradshaw, Armstead, etc)

No question about it.

but even, for argument's sake, he was a "miss," then the fact that hw won us a SB makes him an all-time hit to this fan