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Muhammad Wilkerson

Andy in Boston : 1/28/2016 3:53 pm
Have read alot about how the Jets will absolutely not let him go, and he'll be at least franchised. I'm starting to wonder about that. They are deep on the d-line with Leger Douzable, Leonard Williams, Damon Harrison and Shelden Richardson. They're not going to be able to pay all of these guys....so it may very well come down to who they views as the 1 or 2 that they want their long term between Wilkerson, Richardson and Williams. Would be hard to believe that they don't think just as highly of him, as they do Richardson and Williams...they are both studs. Couple that with the fact that its looking like the NFL Draft is going to be deep this year on the d-line, they could decide to let him go and draft a DT/DE type in the 1st 2 rounds. And...after all he did break his leg in the last game this year. He has a few things going against him now. Thoughts? Wilkerson was definitely dominant this year.....I would love him on the Giants. I don't care about the difference in schemes...he can fit in anywhere.
meant to say...  
Andy in Boston : 1/28/2016 3:54 pm : link
Hard to believe that they don't think just as highly about Richardson and Williams.
if he isn't tagged or resigned  
UConn4523 : 1/28/2016 3:54 pm : link
he has to be among the top 2 or 3 players the Giants target. I don't care what scheme we are running either.
He would fit any scheme  
JonC : 1/28/2016 3:56 pm : link
but not necessarily your finite cap structure.
RE: He would fit any scheme  
Andy in Boston : 1/28/2016 3:57 pm : link
In comment 12792400 JonC said:
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but not necessarily your finite cap structure.


They can afford him....and they will pay what they have to for a dominant defensive player.
yeah i don't want to blow the doors off with an offer  
UConn4523 : 1/28/2016 3:58 pm : link
but if he's their #1 target to allocate the most FA dollar to, so be it. We need improvements at each level of the defense and he'd be an awesome add.
I'm glad  
GuzzaBlue : 1/28/2016 4:03 pm : link
someone posted about this because I was thinking the same thing. Unless they plan to get rid of Richardson and I doubt they will let Williams hit FA in a few years. Especially considering the injury. I can see them franchising him just to have him one more year, but do not see them signing a long deal for him. Most likely will be franchised, but if not, I can't see a long term deal. They have invested in two 1sts in the past couple years on the DL. Again unless they plan on letting Rich go.

Consider though he is going to ask for the boatload. Something along the lines of Suh, no? Are we still willing?
wasn't Leger Douzable  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/28/2016 4:05 pm : link
a Giant at one time?
they get a high comp pick for letting him walk  
UConn4523 : 1/28/2016 4:05 pm : link
which is a decent consolation price if they think their stable of talent at DT will suffice.
RE: they get a high comp pick for letting him walk  
GuzzaBlue : 1/28/2016 4:07 pm : link
In comment 12792424 UConn4523 said:
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which is a decent consolation price if they think their stable of talent at DT will suffice.


Good point. May be the deal breaker.
Douzable  
BIG FRED 1973 : 1/28/2016 4:09 pm : link
Yeah he was .
Map out a cap structure  
JonC : 1/28/2016 4:09 pm : link
paying a 4-3 DT in the $15M per ballpark while still needing two DEs, CB, FS, slot CB, etc.

Unlikely.
RE: I'm glad  
Andy in Boston : 1/28/2016 4:12 pm : link
In comment 12792417 GuzzaBlue said:
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someone posted about this because I was thinking the same thing. Unless they plan to get rid of Richardson and I doubt they will let Williams hit FA in a few years. Especially considering the injury. I can see them franchising him just to have him one more year, but do not see them signing a long deal for him. Most likely will be franchised, but if not, I can't see a long term deal. They have invested in two 1sts in the past couple years on the DL. Again unless they plan on letting Rich go.

Consider though he is going to ask for the boatload. Something along the lines of Suh, no? Are we still willing?


As long as they feel he is a high character guy (which I have no idea...I know nothing about him) then I say go for it. I think he's more valuable than a guy like Suh. I think he can play any position along the line.
versatility is key with Wilkerson...  
Andy in Boston : 1/28/2016 4:13 pm : link
I think he's more valuable than a guy like Suh. I think he can play any position along the line.
. . .  
Giants2012 : 1/28/2016 4:13 pm : link
I think the franchise tag number for DT is approx $11 million
You could use $8M per and  
JonC : 1/28/2016 4:22 pm : link
it's unlikely.
I would draft two DLinemen with the first two picks  
Giants2012 : 1/28/2016 4:23 pm : link
One DT and one DE. That way after one year the team has, at the least

Odie, DT draft pick, Hankins, DE draft pick

Hoping for Billings DT and a Dodds or Nassib for DE.



pipe dream to think he will not get tagged  
NYGTBlair : 1/28/2016 4:24 pm : link
I hope not and would love to see him in blue but the Jets are going to tag him.
RE: RE: I'm glad  
GuzzaBlue : 1/28/2016 4:24 pm : link
In comment 12792437 Andy in Boston said:
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In comment 12792417 GuzzaBlue said:


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someone posted about this because I was thinking the same thing. Unless they plan to get rid of Richardson and I doubt they will let Williams hit FA in a few years. Especially considering the injury. I can see them franchising him just to have him one more year, but do not see them signing a long deal for him. Most likely will be franchised, but if not, I can't see a long term deal. They have invested in two 1sts in the past couple years on the DL. Again unless they plan on letting Rich go.

Consider though he is going to ask for the boatload. Something along the lines of Suh, no? Are we still willing?



As long as they feel he is a high character guy (which I have no idea...I know nothing about him) then I say go for it. I think he's more valuable than a guy like Suh. I think he can play any position along the line.


I agree he is at least close if not at Suh's talent level, but his versatility and leadership put him over possibly. Suh had a tough year, but you've seen what he can do. JonC made a good point in regards to "should we break the bank". You won't be able to fill in all the holes even if Reese drafts is a homerun. Its hard to pass on a guy like Mo, but usually the big time contracts do not work out especially at the back-end years.
RE: Map out a cap structure  
UConn4523 : 1/28/2016 4:25 pm : link
In comment 12792433 JonC said:
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paying a 4-3 DT in the $15M per ballpark while still needing two DEs, CB, FS, slot CB, etc.

Unlikely.


Yeah if that's what he's getting than no thank you. I forgot how much Suh got so yeah, I guess $15 million is probably reasonable for Wilkerson.
Snacks...  
GuzzaBlue : 1/28/2016 4:35 pm : link
Harrison however seems like the better deal for us. He will take much much less money and will provide similar results against the run game. I would love him next to Hankins. Can then use some of that money to sign maybe Vernon (also high price), but can almost fill 2 positions with quality players with Wilks asking price. I think thats how they should approach. You don't have to kill your cap to get quality talent, just have to be smart considering how many holes. Snacks may come somewhat at a discount considering he didn't get much attention outside of NY and is always overshadowed by the other 3.
RE: Map out a cap structure  
BillT : 1/28/2016 4:43 pm : link
In comment 12792433 JonC said:
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paying a 4-3 DT in the $15M per ballpark while still needing two DEs, CB, FS, slot CB, etc.

Unlikely.

Exactly. I think the Giants will sign 2 and maybe/hopefully 3 top FAs but $15m/per is almost 2 top FA in one guy. They need a number of players and this is too much for one guy.
RE: Map out a cap structure  
Toth029 : 1/28/2016 4:54 pm : link
In comment 12792433 JonC said:
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paying a 4-3 DT in the $15M per ballpark while still needing two DEs, CB, FS, slot CB, etc.

Unlikely.
Wilkerson shouldn't be labeled a DT. He can play anywhere on the line. He's a monster pass rusher and can play the run. I'd definitely pay him. He's the prized FA. We'll see if any of these starter-tier FA's even hit the pool. Guys like Berry, Gipson, Smith, (Trumaine) Johnson, Jenkins, etc.
The Jets  
EricNY33 : 1/28/2016 4:57 pm : link
are going to franchise Wilkerson.
Few  
Toth029 : 1/28/2016 5:02 pm : link
Notes to ponder:

Steelers paid DE Cam Hayward 5 yr, $59.25M, $15M guaranteed

Chargers paid DE Corey Liuget 5 yr, $51.25M, $13.9M guaranteed

Saints paid DE Cam Jordan 5 yr, $55M, $16M guaranteed ($6M more with an injury clause)

He isn't getting what JJ Watt got, but he'll get probably a tad more than what these guys got. I say it's worth it. The DL was absolutely atrocious RUSHING the passer in 2015. You want to sign a run stopper like Damon Harrison? Run defensive up the middle isn't the primary problem, he solves nothing.
My #1 ufa target....but their coach isnt stupid  
area junc : 1/28/2016 5:44 pm : link
Hes their best defensive player. They will look to trade sheldon richardson who is a bad seed. And they will gladly let snacks walk to keep MW.
Wilkerson  
Dragon : 1/28/2016 6:01 pm : link
Is not in Sue class and he is injured we can't pay someone 60 mil who is not a sure bet game changer. JR and McAdoo both have to understand paying big money does not mean you will get a great player as FA has proven more times than not.
Don't know much about him  
giantgiantfan : 1/28/2016 6:42 pm : link
but we had success moving 3-4 DT Canty inside, if we were to get him he might be a guy who stays on the outside, but in passing downs slides inside with Ayers (hoping we get Ayers back on 2 year $4-5 mil deal), OO, or some other guy coming off the edge.

How much cap are the Jets allocating to their defense? They already have Revi$. But I guess when you have no QB, you go heavy defense...
Yea, he is best at 5 technique  
Glover : 1/28/2016 7:00 pm : link
but he could definitely play 1 or 3 like Canty. Broken leg doesnt bother me like a broken foot or torn ACL would.
Guy is a stud and he has years ahead of him.
Jets have to pay Fitz  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 1/28/2016 7:42 pm : link
And Ivory too .. What's their cap like?
the  
blue42 : 1/28/2016 8:59 pm : link
concensus is the Jets won't keep Ivory...
Suh,  
Doomster : 1/28/2016 9:27 pm : link
really made an impact on the Miami line....not!

Certainly not worth the 50M he gets the first two years....

Valuable lesson for Reese to learn....put a lot of cap dollars in just a few players, and then have to fill out your roster with bargain basement vet minimums.....
If not tagged...  
OBJ31 : 1/29/2016 8:15 am : link
Its a no brainer for the Giants to sign this guy.
This is wishful thinking  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/29/2016 8:38 am : link
At the very least, he's getting tagged. The Jets have a finite window before they have to do a quick rebuild - Revis, Harris, Mangold, Ferguson are all winding down.
RE: RE: Map out a cap structure  
JonC : 1/29/2016 8:48 am : link
In comment 12792505 Toth029 said:
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In comment 12792433 JonC said:


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paying a 4-3 DT in the $15M per ballpark while still needing two DEs, CB, FS, slot CB, etc.

Unlikely.

Wilkerson shouldn't be labeled a DT. He can play anywhere on the line. He's a monster pass rusher and can play the run. I'd definitely pay him. He's the prized FA. We'll see if any of these starter-tier FA's even hit the pool. Guys like Berry, Gipson, Smith, (Trumaine) Johnson, Jenkins, etc.


In a base 4-3 he's a DT. This is professional football, not Madden NFL.
Jets will not just let MW walk  
Bob in Newburgh : 1/29/2016 9:50 am : link
Even if they know he cannot be in their l-t plans, they will tag him to force a trade.

Minimum cost to the acquiring team (late 1st rd pick and well worth it if the broken leg is a simple injury).
Wilkerson  
stretch234 : 1/29/2016 11:32 am : link
The Jets will kepp him. He has zero off field issues, unlike Richardson. He is simple a safer player long term

The unrealistic notion that he does leave the Jets, how much would you pay him. His agent will angle both ways 3-4DE or 4-3 DT. He is a better player than C. Jordan who got 55M w/23M guaranteed for 5. He is going to cost minimum of 11M per year. He will not get less than 5-60 w/ half guaranteed

You do that, you absolutely will say goodbye to Hankins when he is up for FA
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